To Spurs fans, in reguards to Suns...

[JMarkJohns]

...For a few months I'd criticized a few posters for what was, at the time, seeming ignorance in reguards to the Suns playoff chances without Amare (mostly) and Kurt Thomas (more recently).

Many said the Suns were an automatic out in the first round and I cited their record and their ability to compete (and win) vs. the majority of teams as to why such was false.

I may have even called such posters ignorant.

Being that I'm a realist, I can no longer claim such a strong opinion in reguards to the Suns playoff hopes.

This post is to acknowlesge those Spurs fans for calling it like it really was.

Suns have no defense, no rebounding and very limited "paint" game.

I said they could get by in the first, but now believe, barring a Lakers first round meeting, that I was wrong and they were right.

Suns are no longer playing with passion. Only time they win is if everything is going right for them and everything is going wrong for the opposition.

They don't try and seemingly don't care.

Good call and after the Suns lose, I'll be pulling for ya. Love the class act of your players.

I would have put this in the NBA forum, but from what I can remember, all the battles were in this forum. Can it be left in here for a few hours, if it's going to be moved? Thanks... If not, well that's all right too :blah

"YES!!! Jesus H. Tap-dancin' Christ! I HAVE SEEN THE LIGHT!!!"
- Jake Blues, "The Blues Brothers"


BTW, I'll still be pulling for them, I just can no longer stomach my unupdated opinion in light of recent play, facts...

[leemajors]

i wouldn't count them out just yet. they can get hot again and win a series or two.

[JMarkJohns]

Only against the Lakers. They can't play a team with rebounding and defense.

They may win a few games against the others, but they are no longer the favorite to win vs. their first and second round opponants that they were a month ago. They can't be counted on from quarter to quarter and teams that play that inconsistantly don't go very far.

[Obstructed_View]

Don't jump off your team just because they are having a bad stretch. They are what they are, but what they are is a 50 win team that can score an assload of points. That might be enough to get them a round or two.

[leemajors]

we'll see, i wouldn't give up quite yet.

[Trainwreck2100]

They're biggest mistake was going through the entire season saying "if we play like this now wait till Amare comes back" They used him as a crutch.

[JMarkJohns]

Good Lord. I wasn't saying they'll outright lose. I was mostly tipping my cap to those who held a more reasonable view of their playoff hopes than I did.

I wasn't willing to acknowledge that their flaws may overshadow their strengths a month ago. Now I am.

That's all this thread is for.

I'm not jumping off of anything. Just giving credit where credit is due. If I could remember the names of those I had the disagreements with, I'd send them the PMs, but since I can't, I did this.

Anyways...

[leemajors]

i don't think tonight's game would be indicative of a phoenix/sac series. and right on queue, phoenix right back in the game... -maybe it would be, no lead is safe with those shooters.

[N4th4n]

I hate funs who Jump ship.

[leemajors]

he's not jumping ship, he was acknowledging a weakness. nothing wrong with that, this forum is full of it.

[SAGambler]

I love watching the Suns play. They play a fast and exciting game.

But you are right, without the rebounding and so little D one would hardly notice it, they really don't stand much of a chance against the rest of top teams.

But like someone said. With them being able to put up so many points so fast, you can't count em done for until they are twenty down with a half minute to play.

[T Park]

Dont be a T Park :)

[JMarkJohns]

I hate funs who Jump ship.

I did it to show you .netters what realism is. I still remember that when Amare went under the knife, one of your kind said that it was a good thing.

I'm serious. A good thing.

Yeah, it looks it.

[SequSpur]

way to man up.

spurs in four.

[N4th4n]

I did it to show you .netters what realism is. I still remember that when Amare went under the knife, one of your kind said that it was a good thing.

I'm serious. A good thing.

Yeah, it looks it.

Wait, you are jumping ship to show us that we shouldnt hope for a deep play off run? um ok

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Phoenix has a couple of pretty good reguards. Their reforwards are decent as well.

[JMarkJohns]

Wait, you are jumping ship to show us that we shouldnt hope for a deep play off run? um ok

:blah

Those with their eyes closed have no hope of seeing.

What part of my post do you disagree with?

That the Suns are flawed?
That the injuries have taken a toll on their play?
That they'll struggle against good defensive, good rebounding teams?
That they rarely win if their shot isn't falling?
That they have, of late, played quarter to quarter, looking good or bad at random?
That they win at random vs. any and every team?
That they can beat the Lakers easily?
That they'll struggle to advance past the elite NBA teams?

Tell me. Which part of my posts do you take such offense to?

Maybe it's te fact that they all hold truth that bothers you?

Hmmm....

[SenorSpur]

It takes a "real" man to admit his errors. There are rational, logical, enemy fans out there after all.

Great post.

[Ishta]

Wow a fan who is somewhat a realist. Refreshing. To the Suns fan who is jumping his shit, after you've posted almost 1,000 posts on an opposing team board, you might have something to say until then :stfualready. JMarkJohns is not an idiot.

[phyzik]

Dont be a T Park :)

:lol

Easily the quote of the season.

[genghisrex]

Never count your team out when you're facing an Artest-led team in the playoffs.

By the way, Suns won, what's the problem?

[JMarkJohns]

It's not just about this game. It's not about them winning or losing. It's about how they played and tonight was a perfect example of everything I said in here. They played inconsistantly, struggled, got down big, then only came back because they caught fire towards the end.

That won't win consistantly enough in the playoffs for them to seriously challange the better, more consistant, better all around teams they'll face.

Look back over their last 20 and find a pattern. You won't find one. They play good one game, then poor the next, then great for a half, then horrible for the next two games, then turnaround with a hot night and a big win, then lose the next game but a big margin, then battle, but lose a close game, then defeat a playoff team, then lose to a lottory team, then look like two completely different teams in the same game vs. a team they could be playing in the first round.

Big picture.

"We ain't one at a timin' here..."
- Pappy O'Daniel, "O Brother, where art thou"

[SirChaz]

Clearly the Suns have been slumping the last few weeks.

Teams are catching on to and exploiting the Suns weaknesses.


The only goal I really had for them after Amare went down in training camp was to win the division and they did that. Nash and Marion did a good job carrying the team in the regular season but you need a big man with some kind or inside game to help carry you through the playoffs.

Not to mention the other injury that has killed what defense they had. Since Kurt Thomas went down the Suns went from 44% FG allowed to 49%.

It ain't pretty.

[JMarkJohns]

Clearly the Suns have been slumping the last few weeks.

Teams are catching on to and exploiting the Suns weaknesses.


The only goal I really had for them after Amare went down in training camp was to win the division and they did that. Nash and Marion did a good job carrying the team in the regular season but you need a big man with some kind or inside game to help carry you through the playoffs.

Not to mention the other injury that has killed what defense they had. Since Kurt Thomas went down the Suns went from 44% FG allowed to 49%.

It ain't pretty.

Agreed. I'm not saying I'm disappointed with their season. I'm not saying I'm disappointed with them as a team.

I am, however, more open to the possibility that these sans Amare, sans Thomas weaknesses may be too much to overcome and thus, if any of their playoff opponants have a good rebounding frontcourt and a good overall defense, that because of how those two aspects matchup with the Suns, that they should not be considered the favorites to win any series, except against the Lakers and perhaps Nuggets.

After those two teams (and I'm counting the possibility of Utah), I don't like the Suns chances.

Will I pull for them? Of course. Do I realize it's no longer the cakewalk that even I thought it was mere months ago? Yes...

Again, for any Suns fans who read this. This isn't me jumping off anything. It's me acknowledging that others saw something months ago, that I refused to acknowledge then, but will now.

I see what they were saying and can no longer disagree with any certainty.

Since I am not a homer or a fraud, I chose to give them their credit.

That's all this is.


Good post, Chaz.

It's kind of sad seeing them go from overacheiving, to slightly underacheiving. That could have really made some noise, had Thomas just stayed healthy. With him not likely in gam shape until the mid-second round, I fear that it may be too late.

[cs100]

You guys beat SAC tonight. SAC and LAL only have three games left. It is very likely that you could face LAL in the first round and win. I just don't think that you would get out of the second round, but anything can happen.

Good for you on being a true fan of the game and not blinded by love for your team.

[JMarkJohns]

Again, if Denver somehow defeats Memphis and the Suns advance, I can see the Suns competing vs. the Nuggets farely well. Denver does have a good rebounding frontcourt, but they are inconsistant (at best). They, as a team, don't shoot well, which means the Suns can get away with playing off the wings easier, which means they can rebound better. Also, it means that they don't have much fire power to combat the Suns.

As good as they are, the Suns really have worked them this year, including recently in the midst of the Suns' struggles.

Teams of concern are Memphis, Utah and Sacramento. Teams of little chance are Dallas and the Clips. Team of no real chance are San Antonio.

Easiest path to the Conference Finals would be Lakers, Nuggets. Hardest, Kings, Grizzlies.

[mavsfan1000]

I think the Suns get to the WCF but it won't be easy.

[Louie Vega]

I hate funs who Jump ship.

He isn't jumping ship ass. He is simply stating the teams flaws and weaknesses.

At the same time I don't see the Suns going down that easily. Without Stoudemire and Thomas they will need a little more luck on who they draw in the playoffs and hope for a good matchup.

I also have to say that this is what the Suns and Amare get. He should never have come back so soon from that type of injury and the Suns should have stopped him from coming back. The Spurs went through this with Tim a couple of years back during a series against the Suns. But Pop was not willing to risk Tim's career and made him sit out. Spurs lost in 5. But we all know what has transpired since.

:fro

[Louie Vega]

Harris reminds me of a girl I used to know in high school.

[SenorSpur]

I think the Suns get to the WCF but it won't be easy.

If the NBA allowed reseeding after each round, the Suns would be vulnerable in the second round

[Obstructed_View]

Suns fans are such pussies. :)

[JMarkJohns]

Suns fans are such pussies. :)

As someone pointed out already, I've got nearly 1000 posts on a Spurs site.

1000 as part of around 15,000 in the last year and a half.

I doubt I fit your criteria.

But I see, you'd rather think of me as ignorant, than honest and unbiased?

Some Spurs fans can be such asses :rolleyes

[SenorSpur]

As someone pointed out already, I've got nearly 1000 posts on a Spurs site.

1000 as part of around 15,000 in the last year and a half.

I doubt I fit your criteria.

But I see, you'd rather think of me as ignorant, than honest and unbiased?

Some Spurs fans can be such asses :rolleyes


Not all. You get "Big Props" from the majority of the Spurs homers for your honest realization.

[JMarkJohns]

I wasn't meaning to imply all. Just some.

I've said before that I'm able to post on opposition boards so frequently and with such passion because I really don't care what people think of me, or my opinions.

The support is a nice change, however.

Either way, *feet propped up* I've made myself comfortable here.

I've been called much worse :)