Van Exel should be left off the playoff squad

[picnroll]

Van Exel has NOTHING left. Pick up some scrub PG from the NBDL.

[Dre_7]

You are HIGH!

[GoSpurs21]

other than a couple of lame ass teams, please name a team where NVE hasnt been burned like a rented mule in April?

NVE has been getting burned by younger guards all season and hasnt really hit any big shots to help the Spurs win

so why does he continue to get minutes...other than to stunt Beno's development

[timvp]

And Beno is better?

Nice stat line tonight.

[Leetonidas]

And Beno is better?

Nice stat line tonight.

Case in point.

[T Park]

please name a team where NVE hasnt been burned like a rented mule in April?

NVE has been getting burned by younger guards all season and hasnt really hit any big shots to help the Spurs win

so why does he continue to get minutes...other than to stunt Beno's development




miss the Memphis and Dallas games did you?

[cs100]

Nick will be big for us during the playoffs. He has helped us win games. Without his points, we would have lost the recent Memphis game. He was big in the dallas game, even though we lost.

Nick has ice in his veins and will not be rattled during the playoffs. We don't know what Beno will do but he seems to get rattled easy.

[Kori Ellis]

Since 13 players can be on the playoff roster, I think it's a no brainer to just leave off Sanders.

[J.T.]

Since 13 players can be on the playoff roster, I think it's a no brainer to just leave off Sanders.

But Sanders has been CLUTCH in garbage time!! :lol

[Rynospursfan]

As bad as NVE has been I still think he will be more valuable in the playoffs than Sanders, Marks, or Oberto. Sanders will be left off without a doubt.

[picnroll]

And Beno is better?

Nice stat line tonight.
Right now being assked to chose between NVE and Beno as your backup PG is like being asked which foot you'd like to step in dog shit with.

[pache100]

Right now being assked to chose between NVE and Beno as your backup PG is like being asked which foot you'd like to step in dog shit with. :lmao

[JamStone]

Nick is better than Beno.

Nick's value will show up come playoff time. Not that he's just like Robert Horry, but I just think Nick is conserving much of his energy and focus until the games really matter. Nick has always been the type of player who plays much harder in pressure situations. I can't guarantee he'll be great, especially with some of the injuries he's had over the last few years, but I certainly think he will be better than what he's shown so far this season.

[picnroll]

NVE has nothing left and the problem is come playoff time he might think he still has something left.

[CosmicCowboy]

I suspect some of you are gonna be eating your words. NVE is not gonna blow the doors off every night, but I am confident that he will be the "hero" of at least one playoff game. He is one of those players that when he gets hot he gets REALLY hot and can blow a game wide open and he has done it all of his career.

[Melmart1]

I would rather still have NVE than Beno getting the bulk of the backup minutes behind Tony. He knows his window of opportunity is closing and will play as such. He can have ice blood in his veins, and I think we will see that during the playoffs.

[picnroll]

I'd rather have Barry and Manu sharing backup PG duties.

Nick reminds me of Strickland when he came back to play with the Rockets. Some people have a looonggg memory of the way NVE use to be. Now they're hoping/praying he can get hot from the outside a game or two.

[SenorSpur]

NVE has nothing left and the problem is come playoff time he might think he still has something left.

Finally! Someone said it. NVE has everyone "duped" into thinking he's got something left. He doesn't.

Sure he's had some flashes (Memphis and Dallas), but shit the season is 82 games long. He's had WAY more bad games that good ones. In the games, he wasn't injured, he's done nothing. Look at the turnovers, the line of missed shots, the defensive breakdowns, his lack of quickness, his body language.

Hell, look at the shape his BODY is in. It's clear that at this point his body is betraying him and he can't summon the skills, energy and effort the Spurs expected when they signed him. I blame him for not keeping himself in better shape.

My thing is he had no business trying to play this year. Like the old sayin' goes, "anytime you start talking about retirement, you've already done so"

I, for one, don't buy into the bullsh!t that he's "saving himself for the playoffs". The Fakers always said that about Shaq. As we saw in 2004 versus the Pistons, it's harder to "turn it on" when you're older and when you're not in great shape.

I hope I'm wrong and he can somehow give us a boost in the playoffs. I just don't see it happening. If so, I'll be the first to say I was wrong.

[CharlieMac]

Mondo-retarded.

[TwoHandJam]

I agree that NVE is done. I haven't seen anything this year that gives me any hope. All he provides is poor shot selection and no defense. I'd like to see Barry get the majority of the backup pg minutes with Manu getting spot minutes at the end of games. Beno might also see spot minutes where appropriate.

NVE can be clutch but he can also shoot you out of games with his terrible shot selection and poor fg%. The risk just isn't worth the return anymore.

[Bruno]

Spurs aren't build around NVE, he won't play 30mpg if he can't. Spurs only need him for 10mpg (at the start of the 2nd quarter and at the start of the 4th quarter)as backup PG.

With the playoff rotation, Manu will likely play when NVE will be on the floor : his task can only be to shoot 3's, not to be a too big defense liability and to bring up the ball.
Can he do that ? Without a doubt.

:td Haters, NVE will be very solid for us during the playoff and can even win one game or two only by himself.

[Melmart1]

Van Exel can take over games. Anyone recall the 2003 WC Finals when he was a Mav? Yes, he has been inconsistent this year, and injured. But he is gonna bring it in the playoffs.

[SenorSpur]

Van Exel can take over games. Anyone recall the 2003 WC Finals when he was a Mav? Yes, he has been inconsistent this year, and injured. But he is gonna bring it in the playoffs.

What have you guys been watching all season? That was four fucking years ago. Even Shaq has been reduced to living off his past reputation.

Inconsistent? That's a grotesque understatement. Dude has had two good games out of maybe 60 games played. Injured? Of course, probably could't be helped. I ask again. Have anyone seen how out of shape this guy is? He's so out of shape that he looks a lot older than he is.

It's obvious to anyone, this guy can't get it done anymore. He's through. The only saving grace for him is the end of the season is near.

Don't call it hate, just realistic.

[iltg]

undefined
Van Exel has NOTHING left. Pick up some scrub PG from the NBDL.
Really high.......thats when he contributes the most.

[timvp]

At least picnroll doesn't think Beno is the second coming of Alvin Robertson anymore.

I still trust NVE to come up big in the playoffs. He won't be playing many minutes but I think he'll at least buy time for Tony Parker. He can still handle the ball well and has been passing it better lately. Other teams aren't going to leave him open for threes in the playoffs -- they know better.

[Melmart1]

What have you guys been watching all season? That was four fucking years ago. Even Shaq has been reduced to living off his past reputation.

Inconsistent? That's a grotesque understatement. Dude has had two good games out of maybe 60 games played. Injured? Of course, probably could't be helped. I ask again. Have anyone seen how out of shape this guy is? He's so out of shape that he looks a lot older than he is.

It's obvious to anyone, this guy can't get it done anymore. He's through. The only saving grace for him is the end of the season is near.

Don't call it hate, just realistic.

2003 was three years ago, not four. And I understand where you are coming from. If I didn't think he had it in him to take those big 3's anymore, I would be right with you. But the man is a competitor, period. And he knows he has to get this done, now. He has been sitting next to Robert Horry on the team plane. But during the playoffs, he will be sitting behind the 3pt line. Book it.

[iltg]

Van Exel has NOTHING left. Pick up some scrub PG from the NBDL.
You must be really high.....some guy from the NBDL cant match what Nick has done in the L ! Hasnt had the strongest season, but then again his stats are not to bad when his minutes have been cut in half!!! leaving him off the playoff squad would be the dummest thing the spurs could do! NVl is a crunch player and will step up his game when you need him the most , thats why the spurs have him....not to be a main contributor thru the hole season.... PS Tony parker

[ducks]

nve atleast is a vetern and give advise to other players
nve will come in one game kind of like what steve kerr did one game and hit a few threes and then people's think he should not retire

[kris]

Van Exel's defense is mediocre - below average, but he still thrives on pressure shots, which can never hurt in the playoffs. Why would you leave him off when you can leave off Melvin?

[picnroll]

I lost faith in Beno when he lost faith in himself. To emotionally fragile.

Remember when Nick use to get to the basket to launch those floaters instead of launching them from the FT line like now. Wonder what's going to change that. Fountain of youth?

[iltg]

Van Exel's defense is mediocre - below average, but he still thrives on pressure shots, which can never hurt in the playoffs. Why would you leave him off when you can leave off Melvin?
I agree on the van exel thing. Leaving melvin and bringing van exel is a good idea. All we can do is wait and see if he can make an impact in the playoffs...but I sure would feel safer putting my bets on a veteran pg than some rookie.

[iltg]

nve atleast is a vetern and give advise to other players
nve will come in one game kind of like what steve kerr did one game and hit a few threes and then people's think he should not retire
Stve kerr was pretty washed up in his last years comparison to what NVA is now.

[polandprzem]

Stve kerr was pretty washed up in his last years comparison to what NVA is now.

What do you know about the spurs?

[polayer1]

At this point in his career he should have a Robert Horry type role. Come in during the playoff stretch and provide an "x-factor" for the team. His D is lousy but he has the killer instinct on the oppsite side of the court in big games...

[Louae]

Van Exel's only value to the team is as a spot up shooter. Nothing more, nothing less. He shouldn't be handling the ball or running the team. He's a walking turnover when he's running the show.

[GoSpurs21]

as long as people think that NVE is not a defensive liability then I guess we can all live on fantasy island

I guess the defense dosnt suffer when NVE is in the game, I guess thats just my fuck imagination, not really reality...yea right

also is it my imagination or does our offense stutter when NVE misses early in the shot clock leading to easy fast breaks by the opponents...I guess I am just imagining that.

Although I dont think Beno is way better I wonder how much better Beno would be if only he would have gotten the minutes we wasted on NVE early in the season

[pjjrfan]

I don't have any insight into the Spurs braintrust, but I am convinced that unless Nick is hurt Pop will not play Beno unless someone gets hurt, in foul trouble on it's a blowout win or loss. So even if I agree that Nick is past his prime or that Beno has played better in the games he has been involved in I truly believe that Pop has zero confidence in Beno's ability to handle the playoff pressure. ANd in the end Pop is the guy who will call the shots.

[GoSpurs21]

thats one of Pops mains flaws (and I have always been I huge Pop supporter going back to when he fired lame ass Boob Hill) is that Pop is too stubborn when it comes to veterans.

I only hope that NVE proves me wrong and actually steps up his game in the playoffs. i will gladly kiss NVE ass if he improves and steps up during the playoffs (and proves me wrong)

On the other hand I have to admit that Finley has surpassed my expectations latey, I only hope that Mike and Brent have more to prove in the playoffs

but it really sucks that I have spent so much on gas money (I live in Round Rock) to watch the Spurs lose 3 of the last 4 home games I drove to see in person.

Hopefully my purchase of playoff tickets wont leave me feeling to cheated (how many of you can actually claim as much?)

[SAGambler]

Spurs aren't build around NVE, he won't play 30mpg if he can't. Spurs only need him for 10mpg (at the start of the 2nd quarter and at the start of the 4th quarter)as backup PG.

With the playoff rotation, Manu will likely play when NVE will be on the floor : his task can only be to shoot 3's, not to be a too big defense liability and to bring up the ball.
Can he do that ? Without a doubt.

:td Haters, NVE will be very solid for us during the playoff and can even win one game or two only by himself.

I think Nick and Fin play well together, and it probably has something to do with them being together before.

I only want to see Nick on the floor when Fin is out there.

I am one of those that wanted NVE to come here 2 or 3 years ago. I must admit, now that we have him, he has disappointed a lot.

But who knows. Maybe he does have a couple of great playoff games left in him. Only time will tell.

[Warlord23]

Van Exel is overrated by many here, but we can't leave him off the playoff roster. The reason is simple: our backup PG slot is the biggest question mark on the bench. Neither NVE nor Beno has shown that they can play a consistent 10-15 mpg. You never know what you're going to get with either of them. If one of them sucks it up badly, Pop will have to give the other some minutes. We need both of them, and hope that Pop realizes which one sucks less on any given night.

Plus, Sanders is even less dependable, and in a shortened playoff rotation, has no chance of seeing any minutes behind Manu, Bruce, Finley and Barry. There is a chance that Barry might see more minutes at backup PG than at the swing spot.

But there is no denying the fact that backup PG is our weakest link, and creates some serious mismatches. We have no answer off the bench for Lindsey Hunter's defense or Devin Harris's quickness.

[Vingianx]

Van Exel has NOTHING left. Pick up some scrub PG from the NBDL.
what are you on?

[Cant_Be_Faded]

fuck vanx

[Jimcs50]

I agree that NVE is done. I haven't seen anything this year that gives me any hope. All he provides is poor shot selection and no defense. I'd like to see Barry get the majority of the backup pg minutes with Manu getting spot minutes at the end of games. Beno might also see spot minutes where appropriate.

NVE can be clutch but he can also shoot you out of games with his terrible shot selection and poor fg%. The risk just isn't worth the return anymore.

Beno is>>>>>> NVE.

Just watch him shoot the ball in warmups, if you do not believe me. The guy has the purest shot on the team, he passes the ball better than almost everyone, all he needs to PT and he will be a great PG. Pop is a freaking nut job sometimes, because he sticks to a decision no matter what, even if it is a bad decision. NVE is washed up. He might come through every now and again(Blind Hog) but for the most part, I want Beno shooting to get the Spurs points, not NVE. Manu and Beno,together Barry on the floor too, is sweet to behold.

[cs100]

Last season, everyone said the same thing about Barry. How did that work out?

The point is that NVE IS a veteran, does not get rattled like Beno does, CAN hit big shots, CAN draw fouls (due to veteran status), makes good passes and has pure ice in his veins.

Is he a defensive liability? Yes, but so is Beno.

[2centsworth]

Van Exel is too fat to give the spurs much.

[SenorSpur]

Last season, everyone said the same thing about Barry. How did that work out?

The point is that NVE IS a veteran, does not get rattled like Beno does, CAN hit big shots, CAN draw fouls (due to veteran status), makes good passes and has pure ice in his veins.

Is he a defensive liability? Yes, but so is Beno.

In regards to NVE, you also forgot to mention that he takes "ill-advised shots" early in the shot clock, which often lead to easy transition for the other team; he creates his share of turnovers with bad passes; IS grossly out of shape; and IS a defensive liability.

This is not to say that Beno is any better or that Pop has the confidence to use him during the playoffs. However, I would say there will be some PG playoff matchups that Beno may be better suited for than NVE.

As someone stated earlier in this thread, it's a damn shame that Pop didn't give more minutes to Beno earlier in the season. At one point, Beno was the first backup PG off the bench and was playing reasonably. Yet as soon as he got hurt, Pop activated NVE and Beno hasn't seen the light of day since his return from injury.

In the meantime, let's not simply "dress up" NVE because of his reputation. At this stage of his career, he's not the answer to our backup PG woes. He's simply the lesser of two evils and Pop will have to make do. Despite my misgivings about him, he absolutely should be included on the playoff roster.

[Slinkyman]

We bring in NVE for the playoffs and you wanna leave him off the playoff roster? :lol Maybe you forgot Pop loosing his mind in the finals because our back up PG at the time couldn't handle a little defensive pressure. NVE is in the same boat as Horry, he's here to hit big shots in the playoffs and so far he hasn't played in ONE playoff game for us. The regular season doesn't matter, what are you guys mavs fans?

Jimcs50, you think beno looks good in warm up huh? :lol maybe that's because no one is guarding him? :rolleyes by the way finley has the purest shot on this team and there's no way beno is the best passer, i hope you were kidding. Beno is a good shooter and penetrator but that's it.

[infinite styles]

Soprano the roc handle
Like van Exel
I shake phonies man, you can't get next to
A genuine article, i do not sing tho
I sling though , if anything i bling yo

If Hova uses him in a rap then I say we keep him. Agreed? :hat

[T Park]

Beno is>>>>>> NVE.

Just watch him shoot the ball in warmups, if you do not believe me. The guy has the purest shot on the team, he passes the ball better than almost everyone, all he needs to PT and he will be a great PG. Pop is a freaking nut job sometimes, because he sticks to a decision no matter what, even if it is a bad decision. NVE is washed up. He might come through every now and again(Blind Hog) but for the most part, I want Beno shooting to get the Spurs points, not NVE. Manu and Beno,together Barry on the floor too, is sweet to behold.



Watch the game against Orlando where Jameer Nelson somewhat put pressure on the ball, and that little bitch turned it over.

Practically gave him the ball.

Get a clue jinx.

[T Park]

Yet as soon as he got hurt, Pop activated NVE and Beno hasn't seen the light of day since his return from injury.


Read what Pop said about Beno's injury.


The guy is a puss.

Van Exel is busting his ass out there with floating chips in his elbow.


The proof of what this guy will do in the playoffs was against Dallas and Memphis.


Watch the tape of those games and you'll see what X gives the team in the playoffs.


Lose the hate.

[Darkwaters]

Do you think that Van Exel will be resigned next year? Or will the Spurs pursue a scrub PG for the 3rd slot and make Beno the true backup again?

[Kori Ellis]

I think Van Exel will retire after this season.

[T Park]

Van Exel retires.

Spurs attempt to trade Udrih, AGAIN.

Spurs sign unknown euro to cheap contract pissing off Marcus Bryant and others.

[Melmart1]

I think he will retire, too. Which is why he will bring it in the playoffs. I know I said Finley would be the x-factor in the playoffs. But the more I think of it, the more I think it will be Van Exel.

[timvp]

If the backup PG play sucks again this postseason, it'd be nice to see Speedy or Bobby Jackson in SA.

[T Park]

Bobby Jackson + Speedy = More than the Spurs have available.

[T Park]

Pardon me.

Both, not TOGETHER, are gonna command more than the Spurs have.

[Kori Ellis]

Bobby Jackson + Speedy = More than the Spurs have available.


I would think Speedy will cost somewhere around $3-4M a year.

[timvp]

Bobby Jackson isn't getting > MLE offers.

[Darkwaters]

Speedy will be offered at least 5M by Larry Brown. Hes been persuing him hard as of late. And Speedy went to Hofstra, so he wouldn't mind going home I'm sure (he grew up a Knicks fan anyways). Also, the Hornets would absolutely LOVE to keep him since he has proven to be so versatile and they have plenty of spare cash just laying around. Really, they do.

The only way the Spurs will be able to afford Speedy is if he returns for sentimental reasons and takes a serious paycut. Of course, thats worked for the Spurs quite a bit in the past.

[Kori Ellis]

Speedy will be offered at least 5M by Larry Brown. Hes been persuing him hard as of late. And Speedy went to Hofstra, so he wouldn't mind going home I'm sure (he grew up a Knicks fan anyways). Also, the Hornets would absolutely LOVE to keep him since he has proven to be so versatile and they have plenty of spare cash just laying around. Really, they do.

The only way the Spurs will be able to afford Speedy is if he returns for sentimental reasons.

I don't think they will spend their entire MLE on Speedy. They don't have caproom or anything.

[timvp]

No way anyone throws big money at Speedy. He's too fragile and he's not a starter. I'd be shocked if he got much more than his last contract (3-year, $10M).

[Darkwaters]

I'm just saying. The Hornets love Speedy right now, he has a good role on an up and coming team, and hes become really close friends with Chris Paul. The Hornets will offer 4M at least, but Speedy could ask for more without much trouble.

Consider the point guards on the free agent market this year. The major players are Sam Cassell, Speedy Claxton and Jason Terry. Otherwise, it's pretty barren. What does that mean? High prices on usually second tier PGs.

[ThirdCoast]

how much has nik honestly contributed this year


?

[Darkwaters]

No way anyone throws big money at Speedy. He's too fragile and he's not a starter. I'd be shocked if he got much more than his last contract (3-year, $10M).

He is definately injury prone. But he hasn't been too bad this year at all. And actually, he is a starter. He used to start for the Warriors and would have started for the Hornets if they had drafted anyone other than Chris Paul.

Speedy is a solid PG. I've watched almost every game hes played in this season and hes doing great.

[T Park]

I would think Speedy will cost somewhere around $3-4M a year.

Well heres the problem.

Youve got the MLE.


lets say 3 million goes to Speedy.

What do you give to say, Luis Scola? Robertas Javtokas?

Big man to replace Mohammed?


Theres lots of holes this summer and not alot of money to play with.

Thats the biggest problem I SEE coming.

[Kori Ellis]

Well heres the problem.

Youve got the MLE.


lets say 3 million goes to Speedy.

What do you give to say, Luis Scola? Robertas Javtokas?

Big man to replace Mohammed?


Theres lots of holes this summer and not alot of money to play with.

Thats the biggest problem I SEE coming.

Oh, I don't want Speedy here. I think there's bigger needs (young SF). I was just saying that I don't think he takes the whole MLE.

[T Park]

I agree, I was just using him as an example.


I wouldn't MIND speedy coming back, Id rather have Bobby Jackson.

I doubt Jackson comes for less than 4 million though.

[SenorSpur]

Speedy will be offered at least 5M by Larry Brown. Hes been persuing him hard as of late. And Speedy went to Hofstra, so he wouldn't mind going home I'm sure (he grew up a Knicks fan anyways). Also, the Hornets would absolutely LOVE to keep him since he has proven to be so versatile and they have plenty of spare cash just laying around. Really, they do.

The only way the Spurs will be able to afford Speedy is if he returns for sentimental reasons and takes a serious paycut. Of course, thats worked for the Spurs quite a bit in the past.

The Knicks have also been rumored to be in hot pursuit of Jay (Don't call me Jason anymore) Williams, the former Duke standout PG, who's been diligently rehabbing and working on his return to the NBA after that terrible motorcycle accident a few years ago.

One thing is certain, we all know the Knicks don't mind throwing out the cash. So be assured they will overpay for practically anyone they set their sights on - including Speedy.

[zeleni]

Van Exel retires.

Spurs attempt to trade Udrih, AGAIN.

Spurs sign unknown euro to cheap contract pissing off Marcus Bryant and others.

Beno was being traded?

[T Park]

bump

[ChumpDumper]

We woulda had 200 by now if Beno played.

[T Park]

^^ :lol

[baseline bum]

Man, I'm so happy for Nick to be playing like this when it matters after such a difficult season.

[Jimcs50]

He is 3-8

That is hardly anything to be happy about.

[T Park]

r u fucking kidding me jim....

DId you MISS the first half he had.


Get the fuck out of here :flipoff

[Slo spurs fan]

VanX was great at the first half. BUT he has horroble shot selection.

[yeahone]

where are the wan exel hateers now

[myhc]

we seriously have some of the world's biggest knee jerk reaction fans. eat your crow people because in one half, he's already done what all you haters thought he couldn't do.

[SenorSpur]

No way anyone throws big money at Speedy. He's too fragile and he's not a starter. I'd be shocked if he got much more than his last contract (3-year, $10M).

So is Bobby Jackson

[A-Train]

Both Claxton and Jackson have had their injury issues, but either would be nice as Spurs. I think Jackson would be a better fit for the Spurs. Too bad the Spurs couldn't get a shot at the Bobby Jackson of 3 or 4 years ago though.

[T Park]

VanX was great at the first half. BUT he has horroble shot selection

He can get the ball past half court, and handle a half or full court pressure.

That makes him

X>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Udrih

[A-Train]

I find it hard to complain about Van X's performance. His play was key in building that big lead in the first half. That's what we thought he would be when he signed last summer. When Parker goes out of the game it's nice not to have a letdown at the 1.

[T Park]

Exactly right.

He was instant offense out of the gate off the bench.

Today he was what me, TIMVP, and others expected with the signing of senor X.


Props X. Bring that again tuesday :sombrero:

[A-Train]

At the right price, I wouldn't mind Cassell...

[A-Train]

While we're passing the time until Game 2 thinking about free agents, if the Spurs can revisit the Barry for Smith deal this summer, Piatkowski might be a nice pickup for the 5th swing, though perhaps Devin could be brought back from Mormonland.

[A-Train]

I think the Jazz will exercise his option, but you never know.

[Slo spurs fan]

Wanna say something TPark?

[Slo spurs fan]

Hellooooooooo! I know you are here TPark. Say somethig...

TPark/ He can bring the ball upcourt.../TPark

[Jimcs50]

I just want Pop to let Beno play.

Beno and Manu together along with Barry are a fine threesome

[Slo spurs fan]

I just want Pop to let Beno play.

Beno and Manu together along with Barry are a fine threesome
:tu

No TPark tonight?
Timvp maybe?

[Dre_7]

1 great game, 1 bad game. I think we need to wait until the playoffs are over before NVE lovers praise him and NVE haters bash him. Hes only played 2 playoff games for SA. I will wait til I pass judgement (although I want him to play well).

[timvp]

Van Exel runs hot and cold. He's been that way his whole career. Some games he'll be awesome, some games he'll do nothing. That's how he is.

But at least he can bring the ball across halfcourt when trapped . . .

[Slo spurs fan]

Van Exel runs hot and cold. He's been that way his whole career. Some games he'll be awesome, some games he'll do nothing. That's how he is.

But at least he can bring the ball across halfcourt when trapped . . .
:lmao

Man he could have 6TO and 2-20FG and you and TPark would still repeat this shit.

[Slo spurs fan]

Van Exel runs hot and cold. He's been that way his whole career. Some games he'll be awesome, some games he'll do nothing. That's how he is.

Maybe this is the reason why he has soooooooooooo many rings?

[MannyIsGod]

Yeah, and Beno could lose the ball like that a ton of times and you still woudln't get why he rides the pine.

[timvp]

:lmao

Man he could have 6TO and 2-20FG and you and TPark would still repeat this shit.

Four words:

Rafer Alston, Chuck Hayes.

[Slo spurs fan]

Yeah, and Beno could lose the ball like that a ton of times and you still woudln't get why he rides the pine.
VanX forced jump shot = TO.

[Kori Ellis]

Well maybe if Beno didn't nearly choke away the game to the Rockets (which was meaningless) then someone would have confidence to play him the postseason.

Just a thought.

[Slo spurs fan]

Where did I mentioned (spelling?) Beno?

[MannyIsGod]

VanX forced jump shot = TO.Do you really want to compare the 2 players playoff resumes? Look man, this is an arguement you can't win. I understand you're a big fan of Beno but at some point you have to look at the reality that Beno is a point guard who has extreme trouble getting the ball up against pressure. It killed the Spurs in the playoffs last year, and I don't see a reason to give him time now when we have other players that have demonstrated the ability to play against pressure.

Beno is far too much of a gamble at this time to play very often, and that is why he will continue to ride the pine. It is possible that at some point Pop will give him a shot, but don't hold your breath. He hasn't given an reasons for anyone to be optimistic on his play.

[Slo spurs fan]

Then again how many airballs did vanX shot tonight (again)?

[Slo spurs fan]

Do you really want to compare the 2 players playoff resumes? Look man, this is an arguement you can't win. I understand you're a big fan of Beno but at some point you have to look at the reality that Beno is a point guard who has extreme trouble getting the ball up against pressure. It killed the Spurs in the playoffs last year, and I don't see a reason to give him time now when we have other players that have demonstrated the ability to play against pressure.

Beno is far too much of a gamble at this time to play very often, and that is why he will continue to ride the pine. It is possible that at some point Pop will give him a shot, but don't hold your breath. He hasn't given an reasons for anyone to be optimistic on his play.
Play him with Manu and Brent and we have a winning combination.

[Kori Ellis]

Where did I mentioned (spelling?) Beno?

You didn't.

I am explaining why VanExel is getting playing time. It's because they are obviously afraid Beno can't handle any pressure.

[Slo spurs fan]

You didn't.

I am explaining why VanExel is getting playing time. It's because they are obviously afraid Beno can't handle any pressure.
Then play Manu or Brent at the PG (when TP is resting offcourse)

[MannyIsGod]

Play him with Manu and Brent and we have a winning combination.We have a winning combination with Finley in there with Manu and Brent.

Or Bowen with Manu and Brent. Or Parker with Manu and Brent. Or hell, Van X with Manu and Brent.

Sorry, Beno is the last option on this team as far as guards go.

[GoSpurs21]

You didn't.

I am explaining why VanExel is getting playing time. It's because they are obviously afraid Beno can't handle any pressure.and NVE stepped up tonight during the second half pressure? Once again the Spurs won dispite NVE shooting too quickly in the 2nd half tonight

[timvp]

Then play Manu or Brent at the PG (when TP is resting offcourse)

Those are shooting guards.

Did you watch Game 1 when NVE was running hot? Link me to your post where you talked about it.

[Kori Ellis]

Then play Manu or Brent at the PG (when TP is resting offcourse)

Did you see game 1 when NVE scored 11 points in five or six minutes? That's why he's here. No player is going to do that every night. But the Spurs know he has it in him. And they know he's gutsy.

Parker played 44 minutes or something tonight. I don't know why you are even complaining that Nick played; he didn't play that much.

[Slo spurs fan]

We have a winning combination with Finley in there with Manu and Brent.

Or Bowen with Manu and Brent. Or Parker with Manu and Brent. Or hell, Van X with Manu and Brent.

Sorry, Beno is the last option on this team as far as guards go.
If I only had some internet searching skills I would show you that trio I mentioned works.

[Kori Ellis]

Again, if Beno hadn't choked in Houston, he would probably have gotten a chance tonight.

[Slo spurs fan]

Those are shooting guards.

Did you watch Game 1 when NVE was running hot? Link me to your post where you talked about it.
Yes I saw that game too. Did you see second half and airballs from your boy?

[Slo spurs fan]

Again, if Beno hadn't choked in Houston, he would probably have gotten a chance tonight.
Here I have to agree.

[GoSpurs21]

Did you see game 1 when NVE scored 11 points in five or six minutes? That's why he's here. No player is going to do that every night. But the Spurs know he has it in him. And they know he's gutsy.

Parker played 44 minutes or something tonight. I don't know why you are even complaining that Nick played; he didn't play that much.the main reason NVE didnt play in the 2nd half tonight was because when he misses the oppenent scores too easily on the fast break...that means that nve still doesnt understand the Spurs system...if he makes the shots fine...but when he doesnt it leads to easy scores by the opponent cause nve sucks so much on defense

but you all keep loving on the washed up star and just maybe by the luck of god we will win dispite nve selfeshness

but hey nve is great during a blowout

[Slo spurs fan]

Those are shooting guards.

Did you watch Game 1 when NVE was running hot? Link me to your post where you talked about it.


VanX was great at the first half. BUT he has horroble shot selection

[Slo spurs fan]

NVE sux. That's all.

[picnroll]

NVE is the shits. Beno sucks. - T Park

[Slo spurs fan]

NVE is the shits. Beno sucks. - T Park & timvp

[xcoriate]

the main reason NVE didnt play in the 2nd half tonight was because when he misses the oppenent scores too easily on the fast break...that means that nve still doesnt understand the Spurs system...if he makes the shots fine...but when he doesnt it leads to easy scores by the opponent cause nve sucks so much on defense

but you all keep loving on the washed up star and just maybe by the luck of god we will win dispite nve selfeshness

but hey nve is great during a blowout

I think he understands perfectly. The thing is Pop has given him the green light because he understands what Van X can do in the playoffs.

[timvp]

When Van Exel plays at least 10 minutes, the Spurs are 3-0 in this series.

Oops.

:smokin

[A-Train]

NVE is not afraid to push the ball and attack the rim. Both of those characteristics are sorely needed by the Spurs in this series. NVE also is fairly good at creating something out of nothing.

[leemajors]

i thought van exel did a great job of playing in control and distributing the ball. the zip pass to horry over bonzi's shoulder was incredible. he also did not fire up any 3s in transition. =o

[Jimcs50]

When Van Exel plays at least 10 minutes, the Spurs are 3-0 in this series.

Oops.

:smokin


Did you notice that he did not take any 3 point shots? I think Pop told him to dish dish dish...he did a great job last night, and if he continues to play like that, he will help the Spurs a lot.

[SANANTOJAMES]

what are you crazy, Nick is bad. He brings good veteran leadership just ike robert. In the playoffs Ill take nick any day

[picnroll]

Let's see Nick 12.8 minutes, 4 points, .167 FG%, 1.8 As and .75 TOS. Beno 8.3 minutes .364 FG%, 4.5 points, 2.0 As and .25 TOs. Must be that .167 FG% that has you hard. Pop's still trying to milk a dead cow.

[timvp]

10+ minutes = Spurs win.

'nuff said

[Kori Ellis]

Let's see Nick 12.8 minutes, 4 points, .167 FG%, 1.8 As and .75 TOS. Beno 8.3 minutes .364 FG%, 4.5 points, 2.0 As and .25 TOs. Must be that .167 FG% that has you hard. Pop's still trying to milk a dead cow.

My thoughts on the subject are still the same.


Well maybe if Beno didn't nearly choke away the game to the Rockets (which was meaningless) then someone would have confidence to play him the postseason.

Just a thought.

[SequSpur]

Fuck Beno and Rasho. Go home if they don't like it. Do us all a favor.

[picnroll]

NVE at best is a placeholder until Parker can get a blow. It isn't like those ten minutes NVE is having some significant positive impact. In fact when Nick tries to put his imprint on a game it's far more ofetn a negative than a positive. If the Spurs are counting on Van Exel carrying them in any fashion whatsoever, start planning your fishing trip.

[Kori Ellis]

In Game 1, he was a lot more than a place holder.

Last night, he wasn't a place holder, either. He ran the team extremely well. Pop commented on it a lot after the game. His time on the floor is when the Spurs built the lead I believe (when Tony was resting and when they were playing side by side).

[boutons_]

"until Parker can get a blow"

which is why, with our surfeit of swingmen, I cringe when I see Nick and Tony on the court together.

Is there some magic or advantage to pairing them as PG/SG vs one of them paired with Manu/Michael/Brent as SG?

[sa_butta]

NVE did what he was suppose to last night. I thought he ran the offense well while Tony was out. I think everyone is expecting a bunch of 3 pointers from him.

[ducks]

beno and nve is when parker needs a blow


usually one of them is on when the other one is off
last game nve and parker in the PLAYING AT SAME TIME WAS EFFECTIVE

had they got kidd that is what pop thought they would do also some

[picnroll]

bump

[Slo spurs fan]

bump
:tu

[Cant_Be_Faded]

yeah nve is let me down tonight

but parker is hurting

who will we play at pg?

[greyforest]

put in bary

[picnroll]

I take it back. NVE isn't even a place holder.

[timvp]

Bump.

Spurs were 4-0 when Nick Van Exel played at least ten minutes.

Four and oh.

[aaronstampler]

Bump.

Spurs were 4-0 when Nick Van Exel played at least ten minutes.

Four and oh.


Um... he finished 3-20 (15%) in the series, with 8 assists and 4 turnovers.
I think we won despite him, not because of him.

[timvp]

Undefeated don't lie.

[wildbill2u]

Bump.

Spurs were 4-0 when Nick Van Exel played at least ten minutes.

Four and oh.

They were 4-0 when I drank Miller Lite as well, but that doesn't make my beer drinking the reason for the win. NVE had about as much impact on this series as I did.

Undefeated don't lie? Statistics can always lie. It's just a matter of picking the right stats.

[picnroll]

What fool wants to argue this now?

[ALVAREZ6]

Van Exel should be left off the playoff squad

Van Exel should be left off the playoff squad

Van Exel should be left off the playoff squad

Van Exel should be left off the playoff squad

Van Exel should be left off the playoff squad

Van Exel should be left off the playoff squad

[Walton Buys Off Me]

As sure as Mark Cuban will be handing Steve Javie a big fat envelop in about an hour, Nick Van Exel has played his last game as a Spur.

[timvp]

Nick Van Exel isn't exactly the greatest player since Wilt but got damn Beno sucks horribly. That guy gets blown by on defense like he's a freaking statue.

picnroll is on record as saying Beno is a better defender than Nick. I wonder if he stands by that.

Got damn.

:pctoss

[picnroll]

T Park? timvp? Anybody home?

... and don't give me any Beno crap. This ain't about Beno (who still is nowhere near as bad as POS NVE). This is about your boy NVE, his suckage and his waste of a roster spot. Sign a frickin ballboy to a 10 day and send this suckage to Can Cum.

[Rick Von Braun]

When NVE is on the court, the Spurs are playing 4 vs 5 on defense. He is that invisible.

I am sorry, but Beno cannot possibly do worse than NVE on D. He is at least younger and faster.

It is time to bench NVE to the 12th spot and bring Beno off the bench. Enough said.

[picnroll]

If Beno just gives up the FG without adding the and 1 his defense is already miles beyond Nick the Quicksand's.

[2centsworth]

As bad as Beno's defense is I'm tempted to say van exels is worse.

[picnroll]

http://www.west-ext.com/pests/field_cricket_picture.jpg


timvp? T Park?

[baseline bum]

NVE is making Steve Smith look like fucking Ginobili.

[orhe]

beno sucks

[orhe]

NVE sucks

[T Park]

Miss game 2 and Beno's stellar D too?

Both the PGs stink right now.

Brent Barry stunks too.


So find a solution fucktards.

[SA210]

Miss game 2 and Beno's stellar D too?

Both the PGs stink right now.

Brent Barry stunks too.


So find a solution fucktards.
Maybe you should stop talking down to people T Park. :rolleyes

[picnroll]

When it comes to stinkage Quicksand >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any other Spur