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Marcus Bryant
10-04-2004, 12:14 PM
Considering the source I would like to see other other independent verification but this is definitely interesting, to say the least.

http://www.cnsnews.com//ViewSpecialReports.asp?Page=\SpecialReports\archiv e\200410\SPE20041004a.html

Exclusive: Saddam Possessed WMD, Had Extensive Terror Ties

By Scott Wheeler
CNSNews.com Staff Writer
October 04, 2004

(CNSNews.com) - Iraqi intelligence documents, confiscated by U.S. forces and obtained by CNSNews.com, show numerous efforts by Saddam Hussein's regime to work with some of the world's most notorious terror organizations, including al Qaeda, to target Americans. They demonstrate that Saddam's government possessed mustard gas and anthrax, both considered weapons of mass destruction, in the summer of 2000, during the period in which United Nations weapons inspectors were not present in Iraq. And the papers show that Iraq trained dozens of terrorists inside its borders.

One of the Iraqi memos contains an order from Saddam for his intelligence service to support terrorist attacks against Americans in Somalia. The memo was written nine months before U.S. Army Rangers were ambushed in Mogadishu by forces loyal to a warlord with alleged ties to al Qaeda.

Other memos provide a list of terrorist groups with whom Iraq had relationships and considered available for terror operations against the United States.

Among the organizations mentioned are those affiliated with Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and Ayman al-Zawahiri, two of the world's most wanted terrorists. Zarqawi is believed responsible for the kidnapping and beheading of several American civilians in Iraq and claimed responsibility for a series of deadly bombings in Iraq Sept. 30. Al-Zawahiri is the top lieutenant of al Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden, allegedly helped plan the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist strikes on the U.S., and is believed to be the voice on an audio tape broadcast by Al-Jazeera television Oct. 1, calling for attacks on U.S. and British interests everywhere.

The source of the documents

A senior government official who is not a political appointee provided CNSNews.com with copies of the 42 pages of Iraqi Intelligence Service documents. The originals, some of which were hand-written and others typed, are in Arabic. CNSNews.com had the papers translated into English by two individuals separately and independent of each other.

There are no hand-writing samples to which the documents can be compared for forensic analysis and authentication. However, three other experts - a former weapons inspector with the United Nations Special Commission (UNSCOM), a retired CIA counter-terrorism official with vast experience dealing with Iraq, and a former advisor to then-presidential candidate Bill Clinton on Iraq - were asked to analyze the documents. All said they comport with the format, style and content of other Iraqi documents from that era known to be genuine.

Laurie Mylroie, who authored the book, "Study of Revenge: Saddam Hussein's Unfinished War against America," and advised Clinton on Iraq during the 1992 presidential campaign, told CNSNews.com that the papers represent "the most complete set of documents relating Iraq to terrorism, including Islamic terrorism" against the U.S.

Mylroie has long maintained that Iraq was a state sponsor of terrorism against the United States. The documents obtained by CNSNews.com , she said, include "correspondence back and forth between Saddam's office and Iraqi Mukhabarat (intelligence agency). They make sense. This is what one would think Saddam was doing at the time."

Bruce Tefft, a retired CIA official who specialized in counter-terrorism and had extensive experience dealing with Iraq, said that "based on available, unclassified and open source information, the details in these documents are accurate ..."

The former UNSCOM inspector zeroed in on the signatures on the documents and "the names of some of the people who sign off on these things.

"This is fairly typical of that time era. [The Iraqis] were meticulous record keepers," added the former U.N. official, who spoke with CNSNews.com on the condition of anonymity.

The senior government official, who furnished the documents to CNSNews.com, said the papers answer "whether or not Iraq was a state sponsor of Islamic terrorism against the United States. It also answers whether or not Iraq had an ongoing biological warfare project continuing through the period when the UNSCOM inspections ended."

Presidential campaign focused on Iraq

The presidential campaign is currently dominated by debate over whether Saddam procured weapons of mass destruction and/or whether his government sponsored terrorism aimed at Americans before the U.S. invaded Iraq last year. Democratic nominee Sen. John Kerry has repeatedly rejected that possibility and criticized President Bush for needlessly invading Iraq.

" two main rationales - weapons of mass destruction and the al Qaeda/September 11 (2001) connection - have been proved false ... by the president's own weapons inspectors ... and by the 9/11 Commission," Kerry told an audience at New York University on Sept. 20.

The Senate Intelligence Committee's probe of the 9/11 intelligence failures also could not produce any definitive links between Saddam's government and 9/11. And United Nations as well as U.S. weapons inspectors in Iraq have been unable to find the biological and chemical weapons Saddam was suspected of possessing.

But the documents obtained by CNSNews.com shed new light on the controversy.

They detail the Iraqi regime's purchase of five kilograms of mustard gas on Aug. 21, 2000 and three vials of malignant pustule, another term for anthrax, on Sept. 6, 2000. The purchase order for the mustard gas includes gas masks, filters and rubber gloves. The order for the anthrax includes sterilization and decontamination equipment. (See Saddam's Possession of Mustard Gas)

The documents show that Iraqi intelligence received the mustard gas and anthrax from "Saddam's company," which Tefft said was probably a reference to Saddam General Establishment, "a complex of factories involved with, amongst other things, precision optics, missile, and artillery fabrication."

"Sa'ad's general company" is listed on the Iraqi documents as the supplier of the sterilization and decontamination equipment that accompanied the anthrax vials. Tefft believes this is a reference to the Salah Al-Din State Establishment, also involved in missile construction. (See Saddam's Possession of Anthrax)

The Jaber Ibn Hayan General Company is listed as the supplier of the safety equipment that accompanied the mustard gas order. Tefft described the company as "a 'turn-key' project built by Romania, designed to produce protective CW (conventional warfare) and BW (biological warfare) equipment (gas masks and protective clothing)."

"Iraq had an ongoing biological warfare project continuing through the period when the UNSCOM inspections ended," the senior government official and source of the documents said. "This should cause us to redouble our efforts to find the Iraqi weapons of mass destruction programs."

[B]'Hunt the Americans'

The first of the 42 pages of Iraqi documents is dated Jan. 18, 1993, approximately two years after American troops defeated Saddam's army in the first Persian Gulf War. The memo includes Saddam's directive that "the party should move to hunt the Americans who are on Arabian land, especially in Somalia, by using Arabian elements ..."

On Oct. 3, 1993, less than nine months after that Iraqi memo was written, American soldiers were ambushed in Mogadishu, Somalia by forces loyal to Somali warlord Mohammed Farah Aidid, an alleged associate of Osama bin Laden. Eighteen Americans were killed and 84 wounded during a 17-hour firefight that followed the ambush in which Aidid's followers used civilians as decoys. (See Saddam's Connections to al Qaeda)

An 11-page Iraqi memo, dated Jan. 25, 1993, lists Palestinian, Sudanese and Asian terrorist organizations and the relationships Iraq had with each of them. Of particular importance, Tefft said, are the relationships Iraq had already developed or was in the process of developing with groups and individuals affiliated with al Qaeda, such as Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and Ayman al-Zawahiri. The U.S. currently is offering rewards of up to $25 million for each man's capture.

The documents describe Al-Jehad wa'l Tajdeed as "a secret Palestinian organization" founded after the first Persian Gulf War that "believes in armed struggle against U.S. and western interests." The leaders of the group, according to the Iraqi memo, were stationed in Jordan in 1993, and when one of those leaders visited Iraq in November 1992, he "showed the readiness of his organization to execute operations against U.S. interests at any time." (See More Saddam Connections to al Qaeda)

Tefft believes the Tajdeed group likely included al-Zarqawi, whom Teft described as "our current terrorist nemesis" in Iraq, "a Palestinian on a Jordanian passport who was with al Qaeda and bin Laden in Afghanistan prior to this period (1993)."

Tajdeed, which means Islamic Renewal, currently "has a website that posts Zarqawi's speeches, messages, claims of assassinations and beheading videos," Tefft told CNSNews.com. "The apparent linkages are too close to be accidental" and might "be one of the first operational contacts between an al Qaeda group and Iraq," he added.

Tefft said the documents, all of which the Iraqi Intelligence Service labeled "Top secret, personal and urgent" show several links between Saddam's government and terror groups dedicated not only to targeting America but also U.S. allies like Egypt and Israel.

The same 11-page memo refers to the "re-opening of the relationship" with Al-Jehad al-Islamy, which is described as "the most violent in Egypt," responsible for the 1981 assassination of Egyptian President Anwar Sadat. The documents go on to describe a Dec. 14, 1990 meeting between Iraqi intelligence officials and a representative of Al-Jehad al-Islamy, that ended in an agreement "to move against [the] Egyptian regime by doing martyr operations on conditions that we should secure the finance, training and equipments." (See More Saddam Connections to al Qaeda)

Al-Zawahiri was one of the leaders of Jehad al-Islamy, which is also known as the Egyptian Islamic Group, and participated in the assassination of Sadat, Tefft said. "Iraq's contact with the Egyptian Islamic Group is another operational contact between Iraq and al Qaeda," he added.

One of the Asian groups listed on the Iraqi intelligence memo is J.U.I., also known as the Islamic Clerks Society. The group is currently led by Mawlana Fadhel al-Rahman, whom Tefft said is "an al Qaeda member and co-signed Osama bin Laden's 1998 fatwa (religious ruling) to kill Americans." The Iraqi memo from 1993 states that J.U.I.'s secretary general "has a good relationship with our system since 1981 and he is ready for any mission." Tefft said the memo shows "another direct Iraq link to an al Qaeda group."

Iraq had also maintained a relationship with the Afghani Islamist party since 1989, according to the memo. The "relationship was improved and became directly between the leader, Hekmatyar and Iraq," it states, referring to Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, an Afghani warlord who fought against the Soviet Union and current al Qaeda ally, according to Tefft.

Last year, American authorities in Afghanistan ranked Hekmatyar third on their most wanted list, behind only bin Laden and former Taliban leader Mullah Omar. Hekmatyar represents "another Iraqi link to an al Qaeda group," Tefft said. (See More Saddam Connections to al Qaeda)

The Iraqi intelligence documents also refer to terrorist groups previously believed to have had links with Saddam Hussein. They include the Palestine Liberation Front, a group dedicated to attacking Israel, and according to the Iraqi memo, one with "an office in Baghdad."

The Abu Nidal group, suspected by the CIA of having acted as surrogates for Iraqi terrorist attacks, is also mentioned.

"The movement believes in political violence and assassinations," the 1993 Iraqi memo states in reference to the Abu Nidal organization. "We have relationships with them since 1973. Currently, they have a representative in the country. Monthly helps are given to them -- 20 thousand dinars - in addition to other supports," the memo explains. (See Saddam's Connections to Palestinian Terror Groups)

Iraq not only built and maintained relationships with terrorist groups, the documents show it appears to have trained terrorists as well. Ninety-two individuals from various Middle Eastern countries are listed on the papers.

Many are described as having "finished the course at M14," a reference to an Iraqi intelligence agency, and to having "participated in Umm El-Ma'arek," the Iraqi response to the U.S. invasion in 1991. The author of the list notes that approximately half of the individuals "all got trained inside the 'martyr act camp' that belonged to our directorate."

The former UNSCOM weapons inspector who was asked to analyze the documents believes it's clear that the Iraqis "were training people there in assassination and suicide bombing techniques ... including non-Iraqis."

Bush administration likely unaware of documents' existence

The senior government official and source of the Iraqi intelligence memos, explained that the reason the documents have not been made public before now is that the government has "thousands and thousands of documents waiting to be translated.

"It is unlikely they even know this exists," the source added.

The government official also explained that the motivation for leaking the documents, "is strictly national security and helping with the war on terrorism by focusing this country's attention on facts and away from political posturing.

"This is too important to let it get caught up in the political process," the source told CNSNews.com.

To protect against the Iraqi intelligence documents being altered or misrepresented elsewhere on the Internet, CNSNews.com has decided to publish only the first of the 42 pages in Arabic, along with the English translation. Portions of some of the other memos in translated form are also being published to accompany this report. Credentialed journalists and counter-terrorism experts seeking to view the 42 pages of Arabic documents or to challenge their authenticity may make arrangements to do so at CNSNews.com headquarters in Alexandria, Va.

Nbadan
10-04-2004, 04:34 PM
Iraqi intelligence documents, confiscated by U.S. forces and obtained by CNSNews.com, show numerous efforts by Saddam Hussein's regime to work with some of the world's most notorious terror organizations, including al Qaeda, to target Americans.

More fake documents? Do they really think people are this stupid? CNS is a righ-wing rag.

Marcus Bryant
10-04-2004, 04:38 PM
And CBS News is what, exactly?

Where is your proof this article was referring to "fake documents" other than your own wishful thinking?

exstatic
10-04-2004, 04:42 PM
If this were legit, Bushco would be all over it like stink on shit.

JoeChalupa
10-04-2004, 04:43 PM
I'd Rather not give those documents much credibility right now since they seem to be coming around when ever Dubya needs some help...alledgedly.

Yonivore
10-04-2004, 04:51 PM
I'd Rather not give those documents much credibility right now since they seem to be coming around when ever Dubya needs some help...alledgedly.
I think we all agree they at least meet the authenticity standards of CBS News. Let's just see if the Mainstream Press carries any stories on it. Oh, and according to CNSNews, they were leaked the documents by a career official, not a political appointee.

But, I agree, substantiation would be a bonus.

Nbadan
10-04-2004, 04:55 PM
by a career official,

Karl Rove is hardly a 'career official'.

Yonivore
10-04-2004, 04:57 PM
Karl Rove is hardly a 'career official'.
Man, do the helicopters ever land at your house? Where on freakin' earth do you draw a link between Karl Rove and CNSNews?

You're pathetic. :hang

Nbadan
10-04-2004, 05:18 PM
Hey, I'm just thinking this is one of those 'surprises' Rove promised us a couple of days ago. It certainly wouldn't be beneath him, but then again what is?

Duff McCartney
10-04-2004, 05:57 PM
And CBS News is what, exactly?

Exactly!

Yonivore
10-04-2004, 07:04 PM
Hey, I'm just thinking this is one of those 'surprises' Rove promised us a couple of days ago. It certainly wouldn't be beneath him, but then again what is?
Being a surprise doesn't make it untrue.

Marcus Bryant
10-04-2004, 07:20 PM
So only Republicans pull off 'October surprises', eh?

ChumpDumper
10-04-2004, 09:16 PM
So, Rummy saying he saw no substantive link between AQ and Iraq now is what?

Wrong?

Right?

Flip?

Flop?

Marcus Bryant
10-04-2004, 09:22 PM
That would be Rumsfeld saying he saw no present link between Hussein and al Qaeda.

ChumpDumper
10-04-2004, 09:23 PM
That's the weakest attempt at spin I have ever seen.

SpursWoman
10-04-2004, 09:24 PM
Well, if authentic....I guess it'd depend if he were aware of them or not.





I think not knowing about the existence of pertinant information is a little different than changing your stance every time the wind blows or the polls tip out of favor is somewhat different, don't you?

ChumpDumper
10-04-2004, 09:27 PM
I think not knowing about the existence of pertinant information is a little different than changing your stance every time the wind blows or the polls tip out of favor is somewhat different, don't you?I think the timing of this admission speaks volumes.

Marcus Bryant
10-04-2004, 09:33 PM
How is it "spin"? Your point isn't as strong as you seem to think it is.

SpursWoman
10-04-2004, 09:35 PM
What? That'd he'd intentionally say he didn't think there was, look like an ass, and then turn around and "Whoopsy! I guess I was wrong!"


If news came out like this and it somehow benefited the Kerry campaign, there'd be sticky keyboards all across America right now.

ChumpDumper
10-04-2004, 09:38 PM
How could Saddam have ties to anyone in prison? How could this possibly be thought of as exclusively present tense?
Rumsfeld, during a question-and-answer session before the Council on Foreign Relations in New York, was asked to explain the connection between Saddam and Osama bin Laden (news - web sites)'s al Qaeda network, blamed for the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on America.

"I have seen the answer to that question migrate in the intelligence community over a period of a year in the most amazing way. Second, there are differences in the intelligence community as to what the relationship was," Rumsfeld said.

"To my knowledge, I have not seen any strong, hard evidence that links the two," Rumsfeld added.

"I just read an intelligence report recently about one person who's connected to al Qaeda who was in and out of Iraq. And it is the most tortured description of why he might have had a relationship and why he might not have had a relationship. It may have been something that was not representative of a hard linkage."

Marcus Bryant
10-04-2004, 09:40 PM
I meant when he made whatever statement that you can't even provide a link for.

ChumpDumper
10-04-2004, 09:41 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20041004/ts_nm/iraq_usa_rumsfeld_dc_3

:shootme

Marcus Bryant
10-04-2004, 09:48 PM
Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said on Monday he knew of no "strong, hard evidence" linking Saddam Hussein's Iraq and al Qaeda, despite describing extensive contacts between the two before the Iraq invasion.

So we're back to pre-war intel. And?

ChumpDumper
10-04-2004, 09:50 PM
I expect you to not realize the significance, as you are an idiot.

I'll wait til Fox dumbs it down for you, if they run it at all.

Marcus Bryant
10-04-2004, 09:55 PM
Get a fucking clue. Rumsfeld acknowledged that pre-war intelligence wasn't entirely accurate. What's the new story here, exactly?

Come on bitch, I know you are infatuated with me, but Gdamn, get a fucking clue.

ChumpDumper
10-04-2004, 09:56 PM
Kind of muzzles your initial post, eh?

Fuck yourself.

Marcus Bryant
10-04-2004, 09:58 PM
Well of course those documents are still being translated, so not exactly.

Yes, go fuck yourself already weirdo.

ChumpDumper
10-04-2004, 10:01 PM
Except they've already been leaked and translated twice? I don't think the US armed forces and intel community are THAT inept, do you?

Marcus Bryant
10-04-2004, 10:06 PM
Apparently not all of them have been translated, at least according to that report.

ChumpDumper
10-04-2004, 10:11 PM
But this official leaked them to the press, not even knowing the full contents of them?

Sorry, if Rummy doesn't know about this then he's woefully out of touch.

If Rummy is telling the truth then your story is shit.

Which is it?

Marcus Bryant
10-04-2004, 10:18 PM
First off I started this thread with the line:


Considering the source I would like to see other other independent verification but this is definitely interesting, to say the least.


So I never assumed that it was true. Perhaps you saw this report on Fox News. I wouldn't know as I don't tend to rely on such outlets for my news. Hence the skepticism I started this thread with.

So basically you got bent over nothing.

ChumpDumper
10-04-2004, 10:32 PM
So you think it's full of shit?

Why post it then?

Why bend yourself?

Marcus Bryant
10-04-2004, 10:37 PM
Judging by the standard of what is permissible to post in this forum, I thought it fell well within the bounds of appropriateness. Unlike some other poster, I labelled the source as dubious.

Damn, check your 'little friend' and make sure he has a fresh pair of D cells. It looks like you're going to need a good workout tonight.

ChumpDumper
10-04-2004, 10:43 PM
lol, you are misinformed about so many things.

I'm glad you admit it's full of shit.

Marcus Bryant
10-04-2004, 10:43 PM
Not as much as you.

I don't admit it is right or wrong as of now.

ChumpDumper
10-04-2004, 10:52 PM
Not as much as you.The fact you are so unaware makes it that much funnier.

Good Lord, Sequ knows more than you!

So you have no opinion?

So unlike you.

Either Rummy is completely out of touch or the article is wrong.

At least I can make a call.

Marcus Bryant
10-04-2004, 10:57 PM
"I know you are but what am I?"

[/chumppo]

You don't know as much as you seem to think you do.

ChumpDumper
10-04-2004, 11:16 PM
I know Sequ knows more than you.

Which is hilarious.

Marcus Bryant
10-04-2004, 11:17 PM
I know TPark knows more than you. Nanny nanny poo poo.

Marcus Bryant
10-05-2004, 11:37 AM
http://www.nationalreview.com/kerry/kerryspot.asp


AN UPDATE ON THE CNSNEWS.COM DOCUMENTS [10/05 11:41 AM]

Spoke a few minutes ago to David Thibault, managing editor of CNSNews.com, which may or may not have the scoop of the year with documents detailing Iraqi intelligence’s dealings with terrorists and purchase of mustard gas and anthrax in 2000.

Thibault said that since they reported the story yesterday, five “big, medium, and small” media organizations have inquired about the documents and taking a look at them for themselves, including the Kerry Spot.

The first comment by any member of the administration came Monday, when conservative radio host Sean Hannity asked Donald Rumsfeld about CNSNews.com’s report.

“Until I have a chance to see — until the people going over documents have a chance to pore through enough of them to come to, to develop some conviction about what they think it means, and then to try to corroborate them by interviews with people, it would be premature for me to get into it,” Rumsfeld said, according to CNSNews.

Thibault said his organization decided not to post the documents on the Internet because of “the danger of the documents being taken and altered… as a result, we’re making them available here for anyone to look at and make copies for themselves.”

I understand one of the great foreign-policy writers of NRO is going to be looking at the documents in the near future. I would look at them myself, but I think the only thing I would be able to assess is whether the Iraqi intelligence word processors have superscript ‘th’s and proportional spacing.

Ironically, I understand that in Arabic, one of these memos says “Staudt has obviously pressured Hodges more about Bush. I’m having trouble running interference and doing my job.”

That last line is a joke, people.

But it’s interesting to note the difference in the mainstream media’s reaction to the CBS memos and these documents.

ididnotnothat
10-05-2004, 03:37 PM
I don't know much about this.