Ben Wallace wins defensive player of the year?

[The_Game]

Also, Phoenix's Boris Diaw was the choice for most improved player with the Hornets' David West a distant second and New Jersey's Nenad Krstic third; Detroit's Wallace edged San Antonio's Bruce Bowen for defensive player; and Memphis' Mike Miller won comfortably over the Hornets' Speedy Claxon for the sixth-man award

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=416179

[timvp]

The poll is far from definitive

[polandprzem]

And Timmay in third AllNBA team

:flipoff

[Kori Ellis]

The actual voting hasn't even ended yet.

[The_Game]

still seems likely he will win it

[Kori Ellis]

still seems likely he will win it

Not really. A lot of voters say that Wallace had an off year and that they are voting for Bowen.

[The_Game]

yet wallace has most of the votes in this so far...ben wallace hasn't had an off-year he struggled at the start but he has played amazing basketball. pistons have the best record so he is likely the favourite.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

And Timmay in third AllNBA team

:flipoff


oh come on, if we're just goin based on stats then he cant deserve to be higher than 3rd all nba. his PF really brought him down.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

yet wallace has most of the votes in this so far...ben wallace hasn't had an off-year he struggled at the start but he has played amazing basketball. pistons have the best record so he is likely the favourite.

yeah i think bowen's image hurts him too much with all the complaining players do about him. such a shame too cuz he REALLY deserves the award

[Kori Ellis]

yet wallace has most of the votes in this so far...ben wallace hasn't had an off-year he struggled at the start but he has played amazing basketball. pistons have the best record so he is likely the favourite.


Has the most votes so far in what? No votes have been counted yet.

This was an informal poll of 20 something writers. It doesn't even say if those writers have votes.

[polandprzem]

Amuse - we all know that the jurnalists love stats, but many of them are not looking at the stats.
And it won't fit (3rd team) in Timmy resume :pctoss



hehe


Good morning you all
Jesus just won with a death

[Kori Ellis]

yeah i think bowen's image hurts him too much with all the complaining players do about him. such a shame too cuz he REALLY deserves the award

Who complained about him this year except for Ray Allen?

I think Kobe saying Bowen is the best defender in the game outweighs Ray Allen's complaining.

It will still be a tight vote between Bowen and BWallace though.

[polandprzem]

I'm giving the money on Bowen.

Now way he won't get it, no way

[timvp]

ben wallace hasn't had an off-year he struggled at the start

Actually, November was his best month. It's been downhill since then.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Who complained about him this year except for Ray Allen?

I think Kobe saying Bowen is the best defender in the game outweighs Ray Allen's complaining.

It will still be a tight vote between Bowen and BWallace though.

that's true, but every writer is aware of his "image" so i just hope they can see past that. and yeah it seemed to me too that BW was havin an off year but i guess the pistons w-l record may overshadow that

[Kori Ellis]

that's true, but every writer is aware of his "image" so i just hope they can see past that. and yeah it seemed to me too that BW was havin an off year but i guess the pistons w-l record may overshadow that

Most national writers I know laugh at Ray Allen complaining about it and side with Bowen.

We'll see what happens.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

oh good i really hope they can see past that cuz Bowen is what 33, 34? to do what he's doin on the perimeter at that age is amazing.

[Kori Ellis]

oh good i really hope they can see past that cuz Bowen is what 33, 34? to do what he's doin on the perimeter at that age is amazing.

Shhh ... he's almost 35 (2 more months). But let's just pretend he's younger. I don't want to think about him getting older and retiring.

[xcoriate]

Hell we're in trouble when that happens.

[TDMVPDPOY]

bowen not winnin the award, has sumshit todo with gay ray.

the year 2004 when ben and artest were out, that didnt stop ben from winnin it, even though he was the one that tried to strangle hold artest, and artest runnin into the stands. pretty much inconsistency with the voting though.

[Rapper]

Absolutely by Ben Wallace

[thispego]

i think bowen bein selected for olympic tryouts will bode well for him too

[TDMVPDPOY]

i think duncan should win it, his been robbed for many years since his been in the league, he should be awarded one.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

yeah i think bowen's image hurts him too much with all the complaining players do about him. such a shame too cuz he REALLY deserves the award

I don't think anyone cares about Gay Allen's whining. The thing I'm more worried about is all the dipshit writers who don't put any thought into it and just 'vote with reputation' and mindlessly check the box next to Ben's name.

[Leetonidas]

What would Bryant do if he had a vote?

"I'd vote for myself," he said.

:lol

[JamStone]

I'd give my vote to Bruce Bowen if I had a vote. But, I wouldn't at all be surprised if Ben Wallace won it again.

It's been said many times, but the thing that makes it hard for Bruce to win is the fact that nothing that he does exceptionally on defense really shows up on the stats sheet. It's unfortunate that there is no stat on "denials" or "forced turnovers" (maybe there is) or "contested shtos." The value of Bruce Bowen is sometimes lost in statistical numbers. That's probably the biggest knock against him winning the DPOY.

[Supergirl]

I saw a Sports llustrated poll while browsing in the airport the other day and according to that poll, Duncan was chosen the DPOY. They pointed out that though Duncan's numbers are down, they're still quite decent, and his defense been strong even when he's struggled offensively.

Still, I hope Bowen gets it. I think he will. The people who vote know they've robbed him of it before.

[mike detroit]

Who complained about him this year except for Ray Allen?

I think Kobe saying Bowen is the best defender in the game outweighs Ray Allen's complaining.

It will still be a tight vote between Bowen and BWallace though.

not that i'd give much credence to his opinion, but Ron Artest has very recently and very publically been trashing bowen.

[zocool16]

Kobe says he'd vote for himself for MVP?... get the fudge out

[mike detroit]

Kobe says he'd vote for himself for MVP?... get the fudge out


I picture Kobe in his free time sitting around playing NBA 2K6 and taking 150 shots a game with himself.

[Sense]

I picture Kobe in his free time sitting around playing NBA 2K6 and taking 150 shots a game with himself.


Shots fall alot easier in nbalive06....

So I'd picture him differently

[Tek_XX]

I hope Bowen gets it but the voters love Ben Wallace so i think he wins it.

[DETROIT_PISTONS]

Ben Wallace... Once Again :elephant

Sorry Bowen . :lol

[infinite styles]

ONe thing that I never understood is that they always downplay Bowen's defense because he has Duncan behind him. If you ask me thats a load of shit cause you still have to defend the man in front of you.

[mike detroit]

Shots fall alot easier in nbalive06....

So I'd picture him differently

when I was at U of M, Tai Streets lived down the hall from me in the dorms, and actually did spend the majority of his time blaring hip hop and playing NCAA football, repeatedly throwing to himself.

[Pistons < Spurs]

http://spurs.realgm.com/articles/46/20060416/bowen_top_choice_for_defensive_player_of_the_year/

Bowen Top Choice For Defensive Player Of The Year

Playoff fever is looming in the air in Texas and the San Antonio Spurs are vaulting for a hard earned, hard knock home court position. With the regular season coming to and end, many S.A. fans will be turning their attention to the NBA post season awards.

Of course our first stop on the awards ballot is MVP, the golden accolade that can only be adorned upon the loftiest of shoulders. With Former MVP Tim Duncan suffering from multiple ailments through out the year, many loyal spurs fans would expect banner years from Manu Ginobili and Tony Parker. Though both Manu and Parker had some very good games, neither could be considered worthy of the prize Most Valuable Player in the NBA. I’d look to Dirk Nowitzki, or Steve Nash to take the leagues top award this year.

With MVP dreams doused for the Spurs, we all know that there is one award that will always be at least a consideration among Spurs Players, Defensive Player of the Year.

And no player is hated, feared and respected more through out the league for his defense as Bruce Bowen. As the season trudged on in 06 it became apparent that a good defense was more important than a good offence in San Antonio. Having been plagued with injuries and sickness through-out the regular season, the Spurs haven’t had a lot of high scoring games. With that said we look to Bruce Bowen as defensive specialist that can on occasion be a threat from the outside.

Bowen has guarded them all this year, and despite an occasional slip in consistency he’s held his own against the best point guards, small guards, small and power forwards all season. Not to mention consistently receiving the best compliment a defender can get from his opposition; their uncensored slander.

Now that we’re only weeks away from the post-season, and San Antonio’s players are starting to look healthier I’d look for Coach Popovich to start taking Bowen to the outside more as a shooting guard. Bowen earned a reputation last post-season as an outside shooting threat after ringing up 29 post season 3-pointers in 2005 with a .433 outside shooting percentage.

We can count on San Antonio to go deep into one of the best matched post seasons on recent record. Boasting one of the deepest benches in the league it’s hard to imagine Duncan not leading his team to at least the third round of this year’s play-offs. And with a candidate for Defensive Player of the Year like Bowen things can only be looking brighter.

In a close second place for Defensive Player I’d pick Ben Wallace, then Gerald Wallace finishing third in the race.

[jmard5]

Bowen deserves the award. Believe.

[Vinnie_Johnson]

I hope Ben gets it he is such a hard worker has earned everything he has.

[ca®lo]

gerald wallace?

[phyzik]

I hope Ben gets it he is such a hard worker has earned everything he has.


While I agree Ben Wallace is a hard worker, NO ONE deserves the DPoY more then Bruce... The guy is what?..... going on 36 in june? Regularly shuts down players like Gay "take it up the ass" allen, Kobe "mutual respect" bryant, Dirk "I like complaining" Nowiztki?

Night in and Night out this OLD mofo is shutting down punks half his age!!

[Pistons < Spurs]

from ESPN's sportnation:

http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/sportsnation/polling?event_id=2128

4) Who should win Defensive Player of the Year?

43.9% Ben Wallace (Pistons)
16.6% Bruce Bowen (Spurs)
13.4% Andrei Kirilenko (Jazz)
12.5% Ron Artest (Kings)
6.0% Shawn Marion (Suns)
4.3% Marcus Camby (Nuggets)
3.3% Gerald Wallace (Bobcats)

[Solid D]

"I've called Stu and told him not to give Bruce a sniff of the DPOY"

signed
RayRAy

[CubanMustGo]

It's going to be amazing that SA will have its best-ever regular season record and not win any individual awards. I fully expect Big Ben to get the DPoY, and prolly Flip to get the CoY (not saying I agree with both but that's how I see it).

Yes, like most teams, the Spurs players will say they would rather win it all than win regular season awards and then go fishing. I guess "Team of the Year" would trump all - but, dang it, there's that Detroit team standing in the way, an improved Mavs team, etc.

Hey, Kori, how about a DPoY vbookie to go along with the MVP vbookie?

[Jimcs50]

Ben Wallace is a jerk. His refusing to go back into the game just showed more of what I already knew about him.

Fuck him.

Also, the Spurs are a better defensive team anyway. Bruce should win it. The Spurs allowed less points/game and they play in the West where scoring is more plentiful too.

[Marklar MM]

Ben Wallace is a jerk. His refusing to go back into the game just showed more of what I already knew about him.

Fuck him.

Kung-fu basketball.

[Marklar MM]

Also, the Spurs are a better defensive team anyway. Bruce should win it. The Spurs allowed less points/game and they play in the West where scoring is more plentiful too.

8 of the top 15 offensive teams play in the East.

[SpursWoman]

Ron Artest has very recently and very publically been trashing bowen.


Does he have a vote? :)

[SpursWoman]

from ESPN's sportnation:

http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/sportsnation/polling?event_id=2128

4) Who should win Defensive Player of the Year?

43.9% Ben Wallace (Pistons)
16.6% Bruce Bowen (Spurs)
13.4% Andrei Kirilenko (Jazz)
12.5% Ron Artest (Kings)
6.0% Shawn Marion (Suns)
4.3% Marcus Camby (Nuggets)
3.3% Gerald Wallace (Bobcats)


Do those who participated in that poll have a vote? :)

[Jimcs50]

8 of the top 15 offensive teams play in the East.


2 of top 3 are in the West.

What is your point. Scoring is higher in the West overall.

[Despot]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2411683

ESPN Analysts choices
Choose DPOY from the drop down list.

I had little doubt that Bowen would win DPOY, and I know this is far from scientific, but now I am not so sure. Detroit having the best record, and not the MVP on its roster will probably end with the consolation prize of them getting coach of the year or most likely DPOY.

[Spurminator]

Ugh.... They should just do away with this award, no one ever puts any thought into it... it's always been the laziest award selection.

Chris Brousard picked Artest for god's sake.

[Jimcs50]

The only award that means anything at all in the Finals MVP.

Everything else is just window dressing.

[orhe]

the thing is Ben Wallace should not win this award again...
its a crime Tim Duncan hasn't been DPOY... now they're going to ignore bruce again geez...
well i can understand Tim... he was so dominant offensively that we tend to ignore how great a defender he is but w/ bruce damn what more can you ask for?

[birdy219]

The only award that means anything at all in the Finals MVP.

Everything else is just window dressing.


AMEN Brother!!!! :clap :violin :worthy: :tu

[nkdlunch]

I hope Wallace wins it. then Bowen will be ticked off and be an animal in the playoffs.

[Spurologist]

I hope Wallace wins it. then Bowen will be ticked off and be an animal in the playoffs.

true but great defensive players solidify their dominance on defense by winning the defensive player of the year award. i.e Jordan, Cooper, Payton.

[JamStone]

Bruce Bowen should get the DPOY this year.

Pistons should get the NBA title this year.

[pache100]

Pistons should get the NBA title this year.

:lmao

Because?

[Marklar MM]

:lmao

Because?


What? We are giving Bowen the complimentary DPOY award. All we want is the trophy. :)

[pache100]

What? We are giving Bowen the complimentary DPOY award. All we want is the trophy. :)

You can have it back. Someday.

[Vinnie_Johnson]

Give it to Bowen Ben will play pissed off and I love when he plays mad. He will be a rebounding shot blocking monster.

[pache100]

Give it to Bowen Ben will play pissed off and I love when he plays mad. He will be a rebounding shot blocking monster.

Have you ever seen Timmy play pissed off? Last time I heard anything about Ben being pissed off, he DIDN'T (wouldn't) play. :lol

[Marklar MM]

Have you ever seen Timmy play pissed off? Last time I heard anything about Ben being pissed off, he DIDN'T (wouldn't) play. :lol

Oh ya. He had to take a bit of a cool-off period he was so mad. So when he came back the next game, he busted out 22 boards.

[Jimcs50]

Give it to Bowen Ben will play pissed off and I love when he plays mad. He will be a rebounding shot blocking monster.



you mean like when he refused to go back into the game when the coach asked him to, like the little bitch that he is?

[Marklar MM]

you mean like when he refused to go back into the game when the coach asked him to, like the little bitch that he is?

LOL

[pache100]

Oh ya. He had to take a bit of a cool-off period he was so mad. So when he came back the next game, he busted out 22 boards.

Actually, he "busted out 22 boards" in THAT game...or so I thought.

I don't think Ben's a "little bitch"; I just think he made a mistake that is going to haunt him for a long time.

[Marklar MM]

Actually, he "busted out 22 boards" in THAT game...or so I thought.

I don't think Ben's a "little bitch"; I just think he made a mistake that is going to haunt him for a long time.

Woah there Nelly. Accusations are not cool. Although he may have "busted out 22 boards" on someone.

[pache100]

Woah there Nelly. Accusations are not cool. Although he may have "busted out 22 boards" on someone.

What?

[nkdlunch]

you mean like when he refused to go back into the game when the coach asked him to, like the little bitch that he is?


:lmao :lmao :lmao

Ben Wallace is a drama queen

[Marklar MM]

What?


Exactly.

[bdubya]

Wow, this thread went completely to hell in hurry.

[Darrin]

Bruce Bowen should get the DPOY this year.

Pistons should get the NBA title this year.

Amen. The year he took off is the year the Pistons won the only important award.