Minutemen To Build Fence On Border

[Nbadan]

http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/immigration/simcox.jpg

Proud to be an American

April 20, 3:53 PM EDT
Minuteman Leader Pushes Border Fence
By ARTHUR H. ROTSTEIN
Associated Press Writer



TUCSON, Ariz. (AP) -- If the government doesn't build security fencing along the Mexico border, Minuteman border watch leader Chris Simcox says he and his supporters will.

Simcox, whose civilian watch group opposes illegal immigration, said Wednesday he was sending an ultimatum to President Bush to deploy military reserves to the Arizona border by May 25 or his supporters will break ground for their own building project.

"We're going to show the federal government how easy it is to build these security fences, how inexpensively they can be built when built by private people and free enterprise," Simcox said.

AP (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/B/BORDER_FENCE_MINUTEMAN?SITE=NVLAS&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT)

My, my and just in time for the today's Chertoff sponsored publicity stunt, Homeland Security raids (http://www.click2houston.com/news/8826281/detail.html) on private businesses in Houston and other areas today.

So this is what the homeland security dept has been reduced too? Another, less-regulated, heavy-handed version of the U.S. border patrol? Ironically, leftist icon Ceaser Chavez used to be a proponant of tigher border control too. He felt that stimming the tide of illegal workers would lead to a rise in wages for the hispanics already here.

Globalist want open borders, racist and protectionist want to build a fence. For some reason, I don't think Simcox and the rest of his border bandits are too concerned with protecting the wages of Hispanics already in the U.S.., but then again, maybe I'm just being cynical.

[Oh, Gee!!]

He only says, "Good fences make good neighbors."
Spring is the mischief in me, and I wonder
If I could put a notion in his head:
"Why do they make good neighbors? Isn't it
Where there are cows? But here there are no cows.
Before I built a wall I'd ask to know
What I was walling in or walling out,
And to whom I was like to give offence.

Excerpt from Mending Wall, a poem by Robert Frost

[Nbadan]

Check this out...


(CBS) CHICAGO Protesters are gathering to rally against a new round of raids on undocumented immigrants.

Numerous raids have left Chicago families without their loved ones, and this morning the government is talking about its new policy.

As CBS 2's Sylvia Gomez reports, Wednesday’s raids were the largest enforcement action in U.S. history by the Department of Homeland Security.

It is the culmination of a year-long investigation and nearly 1,200 immigrants were rounded up.

CBS News (http://cbs2chicago.com/topstories/local_story_110122129.html)

After a year-long investigation, costing probably millions of dollars, they nab 1200 illegals.

:lol

I could have done the job for $200.00 and a six-pack of beer.

[ChumpDumper]

Dude can't afford a proper holster - how is he going to pay for a 2000 mile fence?

[Nbadan]

Dude can't afford a proper holster - how is he going to pay for a 2000 mile fence?

I'm guessing maybe cheap labor?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

racist and protectionist want to build a fence.

So anyone who is for border security is a racist? Protectionist? I guess a protectionist is everyone who doesn't want to see a nuke blown up on American soil by terrorists.

If that's the case, just call me a protectionist.

[mookie2001]

how will this work unless they build a fence around like 80% of the border?

[MannyIsGod]

So anyone who is for border security is a racist? Protectionist? I guess a protectionist is everyone who doesn't want to see a nuke blown up on American soil by terrorists.

If that's the case, just call me a protectionist.

[exstatic]

I'm not a protectionsist, I'm a realist. They fucking dig tunnels 20 yards from our HUGE border stations near Tiajuana. I'm sure they'll stick with that successful formula. The fence will stop nothing. The only way to stop illegal immigration from Mexico is to overthrow the corrupt govt. and distribute most of the land. Nothing else will stop the crushing poverty cycle, and stopping that is the ONLY way to stop the flow over our border. You can pass all of the laws you want to, and put up whatever barricades you want, but until life in Mexico is better than life on the run in the US, they will NEVER stop coming.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

well you could cripple it by throwing some Iraq Warlike funds at it

[exstatic]

well you could cripple it by throwing some Iraq Warlike funds at it
Even a trillion dollars or so is a drop in the bucket against a system of race/class poverty created over the course of four hundred years.

[NASCARdad]

If you build it, they will NOT come.

[Nbadan]

So anyone who is for border security is a racist? Protectionist? I guess a protectionist is everyone who doesn't want to see a nuke blown up on American soil by terrorists.

If that's the case, just call me a protectionist.

Given the current inspection rate at U.S. ports, and the fact that in some parts up north you can walk from Canada to the U.S. without ever being stopped and inspected once, bringing in a bomb through Mexico would be ludicrous.

[Vashner]

Build Charles Bronson Robots...

[T-Pain]

fuckin minutemen rednecks got too much time on their hands

[Sec24Row7]

I'm not a protectionsist, I'm a realist. They fucking dig tunnels 20 yards from our HUGE border stations near Tiajuana. I'm sure they'll stick with that successful formula. The fence will stop nothing. The only way to stop illegal immigration from Mexico is to overthrow the corrupt govt. and distribute most of the land. Nothing else will stop the crushing poverty cycle, and stopping that is the ONLY way to stop the flow over our border. You can pass all of the laws you want to, and put up whatever barricades you want, but until life in Mexico is better than life on the run in the US, they will NEVER stop coming.

Holy shit! Let's do it in the US too! Let's all just decide to be socialist after we basically fought a war for 50 years!

Man, I really miss the times when calling someone a Communist was like the biggest insult you could make.

The country was a better place.

[101A]

I'm not a protectionsist, I'm a realist. They fucking dig tunnels 20 yards from our HUGE border stations near Tiajuana. I'm sure they'll stick with that successful formula. The fence will stop nothing. The only way to stop illegal immigration from Mexico is to overthrow the corrupt govt. and distribute most of the land. Nothing else will stop the crushing poverty cycle, and stopping that is the ONLY way to stop the flow over our border. You can pass all of the laws you want to, and put up whatever barricades you want, but until life in Mexico is better than life on the run in the US, they will NEVER stop coming.

Keep logic out of this.

[A-Train]

The fence idea is ridiculous, but are we to simply let every individual into this country, regardless of the additional cost to provide them social services?

As for national security, I guess it won't matter until someone brings in a nuke across the border and detonates it.

[FromWayDowntown]

In an era where personal property rights are such a huge issue, I'm curious about how the Minutemen are going to build fences across the property of landowners who are unwilling to consent. You won't convince me that every landowner along the Rio Grande is willing to support this idea. Assuming my belief is correct, are the Minutemen going to get the government (which won't build the fence) to condemn the property to build a fence? Are they going to build regardless of anyone's consent? Are they just going to leave gaps where they can't get consent? Are they just going to build it in the middle of the river?

It's politically expedient (in some corners) to say you'll build a fence; but, assuming for a second that a fence would be remotely successful in curtailing border crossings, the practical impediments to getting it done strike me as substantial.

[Sec24Row7]

Many will consent, forcing the Illegals to make their paths over the property of the landowners that don't consent.

Perfect insentive if you ask me.

[FromWayDowntown]

Many will consent, forcing the Illegals to make their paths over the property of the landowners that don't consent.

Perfect insentive if you ask me.

I don't see how. Landowners who wouldn't consent to having a fence built across their property have (apparently) no problems with migrants crossing their land and have (apparently) significant problems with the Minutemen patrolling their properties. You might increase the traffic flow on those properties, but once the migrants are on the U.S. side of the fence, little exists to keep them on the properties of the landowners who are sympathetic to their efforts. Once the migrants make it across the border, through the gap in the fence, the traffic flow becomes pretty much like it always has been as the migrants will undoubtedly find secretive ways of proceeding into the United States without regard for property borders. I don't see how that creates any incentive for landowners to agree to have a fence built.

[A-Train]

Since the rights of the property owners are paramount, what can they do to those non-citizens who trespass?

[Oh, Gee!!]

Since the rights of the property owners are paramount, what can they do to those non-citizens who trespass?


shoot first, ask questions later

[A-Train]

Fair enough.

[JuanValdez]

Pinche gringos.

[FromWayDowntown]

Since the rights of the property owners are paramount, what can they do to those non-citizens who trespass?

They can do whatever they want. But if they don't consent to the Minutemen building a fence, the Minutemen can't build the fence across that property.

[E20]

That fence looks hoppable.

[DarkReign]

That fence looks hoppable.

Most truth in the thread.

You beat the internets.

[Ocotillo]

I don't see how. Landowners who wouldn't consent to having a fence built across their property have (apparently) no problems with migrants crossing their land and have (apparently) significant problems with the Minutemen patrolling their properties. You might increase the traffic flow on those properties, but once the migrants are on the U.S. side of the fence, little exists to keep them on the properties of the landowners who are sympathetic to their efforts. Once the migrants make it across the border, through the gap in the fence, the traffic flow becomes pretty much like it always has been as the migrants will undoubtedly find secretive ways of proceeding into the United States without regard for property borders. I don't see how that creates any incentive for landowners to agree to have a fence built.

There is a pretty big chunk of real estate along the Rio Grande known as Big Bend National Park. Good luck building a fence there Bubba.

[Sec24Row7]

I don't see how. Landowners who wouldn't consent to having a fence built across their property have (apparently) no problems with migrants crossing their land and have (apparently) significant problems with the Minutemen patrolling their properties. You might increase the traffic flow on those properties, but once the migrants are on the U.S. side of the fence, little exists to keep them on the properties of the landowners who are sympathetic to their efforts. Once the migrants make it across the border, through the gap in the fence, the traffic flow becomes pretty much like it always has been as the migrants will undoubtedly find secretive ways of proceeding into the United States without regard for property borders. I don't see how that creates any incentive for landowners to agree to have a fence built.


Some people just will not want to deal with it, but EVERYONE hates having illegals cross their property. They leave open gates that impede livestock, they damage property and many steal whatever they can carry.

Most of the minutemen are retired law enforcement. The few landowners I know who have them on their place have nothing but positive things to say about them. Last summer they rescued two kids under the age of 12 just wandering around on the brink of exhaustion on one of my friends ranches.

They aren't what people make them out to be.

They sit out in the brush with nightvision, and if they see an illegal they call the border patrol.

That is all they do.

Pretty funny that people get upset about it.

[mookie2001]

Most of the minutemen are retired law enforcement
doubtful.
leaders maybe

[Sec24Row7]

Most of the guys that are on my friends place are retired law enforcement.

You met any of them?

No?

That's what I thought.

[mookie2001]

so out of all the minutemen in the whole country, greater than 50% are retired law enforcement?

it just seems highly doubtful

[Sec24Row7]

Who else but retired law enforcement would be big enough busybodies to devote their time to it?

Lots of Militias are made up of retired military and law enforcement.

I just don't get why they are getting the bad press.

Problem with the border patrol is, and being a landowner in several S. Texas Counties I can attest to this, unless you have a big group walking across your place, it really isn't worth their time to come check it out.

If you see 3 or 4 guys walking, it's not even worth it to report because you likely arent going to get anyone out to look for them.

If you see a group of 40 walking, they will come round them up or try.

Problem with that is, when they do come get them, they scatter like a covey of quail leaving people stranded.

People die that way. These people have no outdoor skills, lots of them are city dwellers. They lose their guide in a roundup, and get left alone or in a group of 2 or 3 and they are SERIOUSLY screwed in the summer time.

The kids that the minutemen found and saved last summer got stranded in similar fashion I'm sure.

[ChumpDumper]

I just don't get why they are getting the bad press.They might want to cut down on the pictures with guns pointed at their dicks.

[Sec24Row7]

I would carry a gun too if I was getting death threats from Coyotes across the border and having a price put on my head.

Lots of them just flat out quit in California because of that reason.

[valluco]

I would worry more about the cartels than illegals. The cartels are better armed than the Border Patrol and they would wipe their asses with the fucking minutemen.

[ChumpDumper]

I would carry a gun too if I was getting death threats from Coyotes across the border and having a price put on my head.

Lots of them just flat out quit in California because of that reason.I don't care if they have guns. You were bitching about bad press.

Pic with t-shirt hiked up intentionally to show gun improperly worn pointing towards dick = bad press.

[gtownspur]

Wow, they're like your heroes or something.

[ChumpDumper]

And that dude in the pic is definitely not retired law enforcement. I would say his credentials for leading this movement are a little dubious, to say nothing of his choice of holster.

[valluco]

And that dude in the pic is definitely not retired law enforcement. I would say his credentials for leading this movement are a little dubious, to say nothing of his choice of holster.
Or his cap with all those pis on it. :spin

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I've got lots of clients down in deep south Texas (Hidalgo County and moving westward up the Rio Grande). Many of them are hispanic, and they're still for better border security.

To a man they all say things are so bad down there that they have gone to the extent of making sure as soon as anyone in their family is old enough that they know how to fire every firearm in the house (and have multiple guns in their place).

But hey, what do those guys living there know? Listen to the liberal media, they only speak the truth :rolleyes

[Yonivore]

I say, if a volunteer organization can team up with suppliers and property owners to secure our border, more power to 'em.

Hell, I'll even pitch in a few bucks.

[Nbadan]

Anyone remember when these same Minutemen went to the border last summer and pledged they would 'guard' the border for a month, but declared victory and went home two weeks early when their co-founder quit because of alleged racism within the group?

:lol

[ChumpDumper]

You might want to run background checks on some of those patriots before you give them any scratch. I'm all for better border security, but why not divert some more of this record federal spending to it instead of leaving it up to yahoos with guns in their crotches.

[ChumpDumper]

Anyone remember when these same Minutemen went to the border last summer and pledged they would 'guard' the border for a month, but declared victory and went home two weeks early when their co-founder quit because of alleged racism within the group?

:lolHey, the US hasn't been attacked with a nuke from Mexico - so mission accomplished!

Again!