Dick Cheney Debate Lies

[Nbadan]

CLEVELAND - Vice President Dick Cheney (news - web sites) said Tuesday that the debate against Democratic Sen. John Edwards (news - web sites) marked the first time the two had met. In fact, the two had met twice previously.

"Now, in my capacity as vice president, I am the president of Senate, the presiding officer. I'm up in the Senate most Tuesdays when they're in session. The first time I ever met you was when you walked on the stage tonight," Cheney told Edwards during the debate.

In February 2001, the vice president thanked Edwards by name at a Senate prayer breakfast. Edwards aides also said the two met when the first-term North Carolina senator accompanied, Elizabeth Dole (news - web sites), to her swearing-in by Cheney in January 2003.

Yahoo News (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=694&ncid=703&e=4&u=/ap/20041006/ap_on_el_pr/debate_first_meeting)

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[Nbadan]

Hey, who's that next to Dick at his swearing in ceremony?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/missingthebigdog/cheneyedwards.jpg

[LandShark]

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[Nbadan]

I guess Cheney must have forgotten about that Edwards meeting, but who is that next to Cheney at the Senate Prayer Breakfast?

http://blog.johnkerry.com/blog/archives/Cheney-Edwards.jpg

[timvp]

It was an awesome line. But, much like 99% of what politicians say, it was an obvious exaggeration.

[Nbadan]

Truth first casualty of Cheney debate style

ANTONIA ZERBISIAS

It's a wonder that millions of TV screens didn't shatter as U.S. Vice-President Dick Cheney's nose poked right through them last night. Just as he has in many, if not all, of his TV appearances since the terror attacks of 9/11, Cheney lied again during his 90-minute debate with Democratic vice-presidential contender, North Carolina Senator John Edwards.

Cheney even lied about lying about Iraq's supposed stores of weapons of mass destruction, Saddam Hussein's supposed ties to Al Qaeda, and just about everything else in this supposed "war on terror" — not to mention the illicit activities of Halliburton, the oil field supply corporation he used to run in the 1990s.

"The senator has got his facts wrong," Cheney said after the first of many times Edwards hammered him on Osama bin Laden. " I have not suggested there's a connection between Iraq and 9/11, but there's clearly an established Iraqi track record with terror."

If this column had a video component, right now we'd be rolling back the tape to show Cheney on CNBC's The Capital Report, as recently as last June, lying to host Gloria Berger. He denied what he said on Meet The Press in 2001, that it was "pretty well confirmed" that lead 9/11 hijacker Mohammed Atta had meetings with Iraqi intelligence.

"No, I never said that. ... Absolutely not," he told her — although he did.

That's also how it went last night when Edwards rat-tat-tatted on Halliburton's tax loopholes and deals with Saddam Hussein, Libya and Iraq.

Cheney coolly accused him of "trying to throw up a smokescreen" and making charges that are false. He then directed viewers to go to http://www.factcheck.org for the truth.

Trouble is, the website, maintained by the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania, only deals with charges that Cheney continued to profit from Halliburton, which won no-bid contracts for the reconstruction of Iraq, after he was elected. Meanwhile, the allegation that his company did business with the so-called "axis of evil" remains undisputed.

You have to hand it to him: He's got, um, nerves of steel.

Meanwhile, Edwards stayed on message, and stayed the course of acting as attack dog, nipping away at the Bush-Cheney record in a way that presidential candidate John Kerry could not last Thursday. That's because he was going head-to-head with the president — and in the current political climate, it would probably not be a good tactic to be seen attacking George W. Bush.

So Kerry was left acting "presidential" and statesman-like while Edwards made full use of his 20 years of trial lawyer experience, making the case over and over again, almost to the point of overkill, that the Bush-Cheney crew messed up on everything from tax cuts to health costs and, especially, the war in Iraq.

Of course, Cheney kept honing in on the "experience gap" that Edwards, who has yet to complete his first Senate term, has.

In perhaps the most awkward blooper of the evening, Cheney told Edwards to his face that they had never met before the debate, despite evidence they had. Edwards' campaign later provided a transcript of a February 2001 prayer breakfast at which Cheney began his remarks by acknowledging the North Carolina senator. The campaign also said Cheney, in his capacity as Senate president, had sworn in Edwards.

Cheney was trying to make the point that Edwards was an absentee senator.

But, when Cheney compared his administration's experience with that of the Kerry-Edwards' team, Edwards had the ready comebacks: "Mr. Vice-President, I don't think the country can take four more years of this kind of experience."

Whether that kind of political sniping will register with voters will be revealed in the polls. But what was revealing of the media was what CNN did right after the debate. Instead of performing the promised "fact-checking" on Cheney's claims, anchor Wolf Blitzer asked campaign operatives to comment on the vice-president's charges that Edwards lacked experience.

Later, when correspondent Bill Schneider showed up to actually check a few facts, he zeroed in on Edwards' assertion, which was also made by Kerry last week, that 90 per cent of the coalition casualties suffered in Iraq were American casualties.

Schneider found Edwards' contention not quite accurate — while avoiding Cheney's lies.

Which is why American viewers should be pathetically grateful for The Daily Show With Jon Stewart: It the only program that consistently rewinds the tape to expose the lies and the liars who spout them.

And it's supposed to be the "fake news show"?

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[exstatic]

I think he's just fucking old. He called Howard Dean Howard Hughes at one point in the debate when they were discussing the Iraq funding votes. Yeah, I can never tell those two apart. :lol He's either senile, or he lost composure. Dude needs to go to the old folks home. It wouldn't surprise me if he FORGOT multiple meetings with Edwards.

[Nbadan]

Your absolutely right EX, and to think this guy is running our country.

[whottt]

At least he had enough memory cells to remember not to mention the presidential candidate when the moderator requested it. Unlike Edwards who forgot not once, but twice, in a span of seconds. I wouldn't go bashing Cheney's memory.

And did you notice the glee with which Edwards gaily exclaimed he broke the rules?


Edwards is exactly like your typical democratic defense attorney...absolutely corrupt, suffering from ADD, cheating on his wife(and I don't have to think twice about this one with Edwards)...fucking poor people out of money. Guy I work for often doesn't even look at his clients cases until the 1st day of court.

What's the big deal? You can't prove he and Cheney had been formally introduced...none of those pictures were taken while the sanate was in session.


And Iran wasn't on the axis of evil list at that time because the list didn't exist at that time...American companies have also done business with Syria, it is also considered a state sponsor of terrorism.

What can't be argued is that in that period of time Iran and US relations were more conciliatory then they had been in the better part of the past 20 years.

[CosmicCowboy]

big deal...so Edwards was at the breakfast and at the swearing in session and party...the fact that the democrats aren't even trying to disprove that Edwards didn't attend the legislative sessions and the juduciary committee meetings speaks louder than anything else they could say...looks like Edwards only shows up at job related events if he thinks there will be cameras and free food...

[Marcus Bryant]

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[CosmicCowboy]

I have really tried to be objective on these debates and was very dissappointed in Bush's performance last Thursday...

These debates are factually very difficult for the incumbent, especially when the issue is foreign policy and national defense...the challenger can fire away and basically say whatever they want and criticize whatever they want...and throw out any irrational idea they want to that polling has shown appeals to the uneducated masses without any geopolitical ramifications...while the incumbent has to measure every answer based on the fact that he is aware of facts that he simply can't discuss in public...and also has the responsibility of being THE President...every word he says about other countries, other world leaders, developing situations in the world, etc. will be sliced, diced, and evaluated by those countries in the world affected by his comments...and he has the burden of not sending any mixed messages to these countries and individuals...

That being said...I was still dissappointed in Bush's performance...Kerry did what he had to do and the fact that Bush is not a polished extemporaneous speaker was painfully apparent...

We as Texans have always known that...Bush's strengths have always been his one on one consensus building, his willingness to surround himself with brilliant people to advise him on policy direction without feeling the need to be the "smartest" guy in the room...and then stand behind and take responsibility for those decisions when they are made...and this management style was very apparent last night...

The Cheney/Edwards debate was a completely different story from last Thursday...Cheney just simply ripped Edwards throat out...The guy can forget about ever being President...he is doomed to be the Dan Quayle of the Democratic party...I am confident Bill and Hillary were celebrating when it was over...thats just one more challenger to Hillary eliminated from the 2008 democratic primary...

[CosmicCowboy]

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hehehe...that guy is HISTORY with the DNC!!!!

[Yonivore]

Hey, who's that next to Dick at his swearing in ceremony?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/missingthebigdog/cheneyedwards.jpg
I think it was brilliant.

This is the "lie" you've glommed onto? All the Vice President has to say is, "Really? Well, they must've been very forgettable encounters." Oh, and the picture you posted, above, I've stood in a room proximate to many people I did not meet.

The Prayer Breakfast? Again, it must have been a forgettable encounter.

The Vice President of the United States of America probably meets (if you include the very broad definition implied by at least two of the three examples given), literally, thousands of people a week. That he never "met" John Edwards before last night could be as simple as him not recalling ever having a substantive exchange with the man.

But, back to your jumping on this "lie." It sure says alot about how you viewed the rest of the debate.

Edwards got his ass handed to him last night...

[LandShark]

The Vice President of the United States of America probably meets (if you include the very broad definition implied by at least two of the three examples given), literally, thousands of people a week. That he never "met" John Edwards before last night could be as simple as him not recalling ever having a substantive exchange with the man.
This just demonstrates that John Edwards is a forgettable man and is indeed an empty suit as a senator. Face it liberals, Cheney owned Edwards in last night's debate.

[Yonivore]

"So, my wife Elizabeth reminded him on the stage [about meeting her husband at the swearing in of another Senator]." [Talking about Miss Piggy approaching the Vice President on stage, after the debate]

According to Edwards' staff, Cheney replied, "Oh, yeah."
Priceless! :lmao

[IcemanCometh]

Who cares about Dick Cheney, hes been in his undisclosed location for the past 3 years anyways. If you're hoping the vice president will dig you out of the moron pit bush dug you into keep dreamin.

[Yonivore]

Who cares about Dick Cheney, hes been in his undisclosed location for the past 3 years anyways. If you're hoping the vice president will dig you out of the moron pit bush dug you into keep dreamin.
What pit?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I think Cheney's most telling point was basically "do you want this schmuck one heartbeat away from the presidency?"

I hadn't even really thought about it up until that point, but damn that point hit home. As much as Demos like to say this country is in trouble under Bush, the idea of pretty boy Edwards in charge scares the hell out of me.

[IcemanCometh]

as much as the reality of bush in charge scares me, the idea of zombie dick in charge scares me even more.

[ducks]

everyone in washington dc lies
some just lie more

[Marcus Bryant]

The thought of Mayberry in charge is the biggest scream of all.

[exstatic]

...the idea of zombie dick in charge scares me even more.

He's in charge now, apparently ordering fighters to shoot down airliners on 9/11 before he realized that the military isn't in on the game, then getting Muppet George to make the call.

[Yonivore]

He's in charge now, apparently ordering fighters to shoot down airliners on 9/11 before he realized that the military isn't in on the game, then getting Muppet George to make the call.
I'm sure September 11, 2001 was a busy day for everyone in the Bush administration. It would behoove a critic to understand what SOPs were in place before you start making allegations of illegality. You've still yet to cite the specific law the Vice President was said to have violated that day.

Thank God John Kerry's assistance wasn't needed because, as he said, he was frozen in disbelief and shock for a full 40 minutes, after receiving word of the attacks, and until he was jarred from his catatonic state by an evacuation order.