My problem with Tony Parker

[George Gervin's Afro]

It has become an annual event come playoff time that Tony disappears. Teams have time to game plan for him and he has become a liability during the playoffs. Now save me his line last night because he got those points because he has the ball in his hands 80% of the time. I am extremely dissapointed in our coaching staff and Parker because we know whats coming and Tony struggles which leads to his moping around with an "oh well what can I do" look on his face. When he cannot penetrate and dish we , as a team, have a difficult time even getting a decent shot off. I wonder if our staff and team have the mentality that we are going to play the same way during the playoffs as we did in the reg. season and if it is not good enough 'oh well'. I am by no means blaming Parker for this loss but I am becoming tired of seeing our point guard become irrelevant during the playoffs which now has happened in round one. I wonder if I email Pop and mention to him that teams are going to take away the lane and make Tony a perimeter player and does he have any idea what we will do when this happens. I can accept losing when the other team just kicks are ass like the Kings are but I am very close to losing faith in Tony Parker..yes I know he was a "REGULAR SEASON" all star but at some point this guy is going to have to figure out how to help his team when he cannot penetrate and dish. I've got news for everybody , assuming we get beyond this round, Tony will struggle for the rest of the playoffs and I hope we are all ready for it.

[Gerryatrics]

My problem with Tony Parker is he's a point guard who wont pass. Every game I start yelling at the television because a shooter comes off a screen wide open but TP holds on to the ball and dribbles another 10 seconds off the clock, or instead of moving the ball and spreading out the defense, he takes it into the paint where the defense collapses so he's forced to try to kick it out to the perimeter though traffic where it's easily picked off. I have no problem with him attacking the basket and getting layups or hitting a teardrop runner, but he needs to stop taking jumpers and start passing the damn ball.

[ata]

While he is having 50% I have no problem with his shooting. Yes he could involve more teammates, however he rarely does that and we should be all aware of that.
Problem is poor offensive rebounding and in last game Finley's and Beno's percentage.

[pache100]

Don't lay this on Tony Parker. There are 12 guys on that team, and all of them have sucked (with the exception of Tim Duncan) for two whole games. You can't blame this kind of play on one person. They know better. They can play better. But, it's gonna take ALL of them.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Don't lay this on Tony Parker. There are 12 guys on that team, and all of them have sucked (with the exception of Tim Duncan) for two whole games. You can't blame this kind of play on one person. They know better. They can play better. But, it's gonna take ALL of them.


No I blame the loss on the lack of rebounding and the ability to defend Wells and Artest. If you had read my post no where did I lay this on Parker because he sucks in the playoffs period regardless of the opponent. My point is if we are going to have trouble defending this or anyother team our offensive effciency is going to have to be high and right now Tim Duncan is the only player to raise the level of his game. I don't blame manu either because Artest is that good of a defender.

[TDMVPDPOY]

free beno movement :D:D

[ducks]

see manu is saying mental he was not ready last night because of the bad turnover

and pop was trying to get manu to snap out of it

but we have a thread calling out tp

[implacable44]

FREE NVE - the bigger the battle the smaller the French contribution - get a little physical with Parker and he is through. What happened to that jumpshot ? - points in the paint? TOny Parker is the Spurs version of Peja -

[Rick Von Braun]

My problem with Tony Parker is he's a point guard who wont pass. Every game I start yelling at the television because a shooter comes off a screen wide open but TP holds on to the ball and dribbles another 10 seconds off the clock, or instead of moving the ball and spreading out the defense, he takes it into the paint where the defense collapses so he's forced to try to kick it out to the perimeter though traffic where it's easily picked off. I have no problem with him attacking the basket and getting layups or hitting a teardrop runner, but he needs to stop taking jumpers and start passing the damn ball.

His outside shot is still streaky at best. I agree, the way to beat the Kings is with ball movement... run them until they ask no more. We need TP to hold less the ball and look for an outlet fast. Either he penetrates and finishes at the rim, or he pass the ball fast. The penetration and kick is not working because the Kings are closing the paint and the passing lanes.

[pache100]

No I blame the loss on the lack of rebounding and the ability to defend Wells and Artest. If you had read my post no where did I lay this on Parker because he sucks in the playoffs period regardless of the opponent. My point is if we are going to have trouble defending this or anyother team our offensive effciency is going to have to be high and right now Tim Duncan is the only player to raise the level of his game. I don't blame manu either because Artest is that good of a defender.

Who said I was talking to YOU? I was using "you" in the collective sense. Quit being so sensitive.

[pache100]

see manu is saying mental he was not ready last night because of the bad turnover

and pop was trying to get manu to snap out of it

but we have a thread calling out tp

Exactly. :rolleyes

[George Gervin's Afro]

Who said I was talking to YOU? I was using "you" in the collective sense. Quit being so sensitive.


I apologize.I am at wits end with his disappearing act every year.

[MoSpur]

Barry should do more PG duties. Stick Tony at the 2 since all he does is shoot.

[ducks]

yeah that makes alot of sence to start that right now in the middle of the playoffs

maybe next year but not know
tp helped get them to this point playing point guard

[Ginofan]

TP isn't the problem. Sure more ball movement would be nice, but really the offense isn't the problem. Rebounds are killing us. We need aggression and we need to crash the boards on both offense and defense.

[MoSpur]

yeah that makes alot of sence to start that right now in the middle of the playoffs

maybe next year but not know
tp helped get them to this point playing point guard

There are a lot of teams that change things up in the playoffs. The Lakers are having Kobe play more of a PG role and they are up 3-1. Pop inserted Rasho in the starting lineup last night. Why not have Barry come off the bench and play more point?

[MoSpur]

TP isn't the problem. Sure more ball movement would be nice, but really the offense isn't the problem. Rebounds are killing us. We need aggression and we need to crash the boards on both offense and defense.

I totally agree. The Spurs have bigger problems than TP. The Spurs are getting out-rebounded by the Kings and are giving up too many points in the paint. I say throw Oberto in and let him go wild.

[Ginofan]

I totally agree. The Spurs have bigger problems than TP. The Spurs are getting out-rebounded by the Kings and are giving up too many points in the paint. I say throw Oberto in and let him go wild.

Yeah, throwing Oberto out there couldn't be any worse than what we've already seen. Hell, he might just end up being a playoff hero...but he needs playing time.

[MoSpur]

Yeah, throwing Oberto out there couldn't be any worse than what we've already seen. Hell, he might just end up being a playoff hero...but he needs playing time.

Agreed.

[Solid D]

Last night, TP took what was given to him...

and then he took almost everything else and tried to do it himself.

Manu's game was limited by two players: Ron Artest (primarily) and TP. A couple of times, the thought actually crossed my mind TP was freezing out Manu whether intentionally or unintentionally.

I expect TP to get back to being a floor general again Tuesday.

[1Parker1]

With Sacramento packing the lane and daring Parker to beat them with his outside shot the previous two games, Popovich thought his point guard had become too tentative. On Sunday, Parker heeded his coach's orders to shoot more. He made consecutive 20-foot shots in the first quarter and led the Spurs with 14 points at the half.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/basketball/nba/spurs/stories/MYSA050106.1D.BKNspurs.kings.gamer4.da3a308.html

I also thought yesterday there was a problem with ball movement and that Tony was shooting waaaay too much. However, after reading the article above I guess he was just following Pop's orders. Defense and rebounding were more of a concern.

[implacable44]

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/basketball/nba/spurs/stories/MYSA050106.1D.BKNspurs.kings.gamer4.da3a308.html

I also thought yesterday there was a problem with ball movement and that Tony was shooting waaaay too much. However, after reading the article above I guess he was just following Pop's orders. Defense and rebounding were more of a concern.

yeah that is exactly what we want - TP shooting more of those broke jumpers - clang - clang - clang - clang - Tim is 7 for 11 and tony gets 20 shots? luckily he got some layups in there to be at 50% or it would have been realy ugly - clang -- clang - quote of the night when Parker finally hit a jumpshot from Doug COllins, " maybe that will help TOny PArker get his shattered confidence back".

point guards get assists - parker had 1 more than I did last night.

[Spurminator]

I'm glad Tony has the balls to shoot when no one else wants to. We've pined for that kind of player for years. And I'm guessing it was part of the game plan because Mike Bibby is awful on defense and therefore easy to exploit.

However, that kind of game plan takes others out of the game. I'd like to see more 4-down next game, but I'd also like to see getting Manu involved become a top priority.

[doldrums]

It's funny , but TP and Duncan can play alright, but we will still lose if Bowen and Manu are subpar. Both are very important whether they score many points or not.

[implacable44]

I'm glad Tony has the balls to shoot when no one else wants to. We've pined for that kind of player for years. And I'm guessing it was part of the game plan because Mike Bibby is awful on defense and therefore easy to exploit.

However, that kind of game plan takes others out of the game. I'd like to see more 4-down next game, but I'd also like to see getting Manu involved become a top priority.


has the balls? dude - they go under the screens on Parker for a reason - it is not a mistake that he is wide open to shoot jumpers.

[pache100]

I'm glad Tony has the balls to shoot when no one else wants to. We've pined for that kind of player for years. And I'm guessing it was part of the game plan because Mike Bibby is awful on defense and therefore easy to exploit.

However, that kind of game plan takes others out of the game. I'd like to see more 4-down next game, but I'd also like to see getting Manu involved become a top priority.

The Tony-haters are never gonna be happy, no matter what he does. If he does exactly what they are saying they want in the very next game, they will find something else to whine about.

Whine about the whole team (I'm not talking to anyone specifically)! They all (except Timmy) sucked last night. I still do not understand why, when every other team has one player with a "bad night" the rest step up and take up his slack...but with the Spurs, when one guy has a bad night, it catches like typhoid and they all smell like crap. What gives with that?

[Spurminator]

has the balls? dude - they go under the screens on Parker for a reason - it is not a mistake that he is wide open to shoot jumpers.


I'm not sure you understood the point of my post.


But it's good to see you back again.

[Lady M]

Manu can be awfull, make a worse season, be in holliday for a lots of games if he do a great game is an heroe and he can struggle for the 10 games following.
Tony can do for all of the games the best, if he makes 1 bad game we can see bashing for the 10 games following.
Tony make a average game 4 and it's his fault because the others players except Tim struggle.

nice tony's haters

[Tigole Bitties]

Reggie Evans has Tony's balls in a jar

[George Gervin's Afro]

The Tony-haters are never gonna be happy, no matter what he does. If he does exactly what they are saying they want in the very next game, they will find something else to whine about.

Whine about the whole team (I'm not talking to anyone specifically)! They all (except Timmy) sucked last night. I still do not understand why, when every other team has one player with a "bad night" the rest step up and take up his slack...but with the Spurs, when one guy has a bad night, it catches like typhoid and they all smell like crap. What gives with that?


one bad night? tony has sucked in every playoff run..

[Lady M]

the memory is strange
when is Manu you forget the bad and just remember the finals

for TP you forget the good and just remember the finals stats (but not the defense behind hamilton in the game 5)

just stupid

[ducks]

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/basketball/nba/spurs/stories/MYSA050106.1D.BKNspurs.kings.gamer4.da3a308.html

I also thought yesterday there was a problem with ball movement and that Tony was shooting waaaay too much. However, after reading the article above I guess he was just following Pop's orders. Defense and rebounding were more of a concern.


DAME AHF WILL HATE POP MORE NOW

hopefully he will find the right ballance but he has to take the open shot if he does not the o will suffer
that is why every one was all over barry for passing up shots

[George Gervin's Afro]

the memory is strange
when is Manu you forget the bad and just remember the finals

for TP you forget the good and just remember the finals stats (but not the defense behind hamilton in the game 5)

just stupid


substitute the kings with seattle, detroit,nj nets, lakers..tony sucked in all those series..

the only final stat i am concerned with is the win/loss column

[SMLT]

You guys (tp's bashers) are sicks... Just curious but who's the best player in the serie so far ?

Tim's not really Tim but one game, Manu was manu for one game and is struggling for the whole serie, Bruce is nowhere, Nazr ? NVE ? Mike ? Come on you guys are weirds...

I hope that they can keep it against a "way better than an eight seeded" opponent. After that everything will be fine (even though rebounding is becoming a big problem...).

[George Gervin's Afro]

You guys (tp's bashers) are sicks... Just curious but who's the best player in the serie so far ?

Tim's not really Tim but one game, Manu was manu for one game and is struggling for the whole serie, Bruce is nowhere, Nazr ? NVE ? Mike ? Come on you guys are weirds...

I hope that they can keep it against a "way better than an eight seeded" opponent. After that everything will be fine (even though rebounding is becoming a big problem...).


The best player in the series at this point is bonzi wells..why is it weird for pointing out tony disappears in the playoffs and not just these games but every playoff season... this is fact... By the way the real reason I am more frustrated with parker is because he HAS THE FREAKING BALL IN HIS HANDS 75% OF THE TIME! None of the other guys you mentioned don't come close to touching the ball more than he does.. please don't tell me you enjoy seeing tony dribble the ball for 15-16 seconds to then drive the lane and force a shot that leads to a fast break opportunity to whomever we play? what about when he forces a drive that leads to a stolen pass.?

[Kori Ellis]

Classic.

Where's the trade Manu and fire Pop thread?

They should have been started about a decade before someone started this crap.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Classic.

Where's the trade Manu and fire Pop thread?

They should have been started about a decade before someone started this crap.


I resemble that. Kori let me ask you one question. Does Tony Parker disappear in the playoffs on a regular basis?

[Kori Ellis]

On Sunday, Parker heeded his coach's orders to shoot more. He made consecutive 20-foot shots in the first quarter and led the Spurs with 14 points at the half.

[Kori Ellis]

I resemble that. Kori let me ask you one question. Does Tony Parker disappear in the playoffs on a regular basis?

He hasn't so far this year he's played 4 games and has scored over 20 in three of them.

I'm only talking about this season - the season in which he's a completely different player than last year.

If you go by this season, then I guess Manu is the one who disappears.

[timvp]

Manu had PLENTY of chances to make a mark. If he wasn't passing up open shots last night, he was making bad passes. If Manu is playing like a wuss, Tony has to shoot more. I don't think Tony was All-World or anything last night, but to say he effected Manu is weak because Manu could have made an impact if he wasn't so sad :cry

[George Gervin's Afro]

No one has a problem with taking open jump shots in the flow of the offense but to dominate the ball when your are arguably the 3rd best player on your team?

[Kori Ellis]

No one has a problem with taking open jump shots in the flow of the offense but to dominate the ball when your are arguably the 3rd best player on your team?


On Sunday, Parker heeded his coach's orders to shoot more. He made consecutive 20-foot shots in the first quarter and led the Spurs with 14 points at the half.

He's doing what he's told.

And give me a fucking break. This season Tony was the best player on the team. Tim was injured all year. Manu missed a ton of games. And right now apparently Manu is still "upset" over a turnover 4 days ago. I'm not sure what you expect from Tony. You should have started this thread after game 3 if you wanted a little credibility. Starting it today is embarrassing.

[bdubya]

I didn't see all of the game, but seemed like Parker wasn't going for the rim like usual. He had what, 2 layups, 2 FTs and 3 TOS? and a bunch of buckets from mid-range? Does he just need to be a little more aggressive, like attack the basket at least a few times each quarter?

[George Gervin's Afro]

He hasn't so far this year he's played 4 games and has scored over 20 in three of them.

I'm only talking about this season - the season in which he's a completely different player than last year.

If you go by this season, then I guess Manu is the one who disappears.


Well we can all decide for ourselves what we expect from our point guard since he dominates the ball. Manu has had bad games as well as Tim and everyother player but Tony stinks on a regular basis in the playoffs since he has become a Spur. I don't hammer manu because for one has arguably the best on the ball defender in the league and we do not rely on him to distribute the ball..

[Kori Ellis]

Well we can all decide for ourselves what we expect from our point guard since he dominates the ball. Manu has had bad games as well as Tim and everyother player but Tony stinks on a regular basis in the playoffs since he has become a Spur. I don't hammer manu because for one has arguably the best on the ball defender in the league and we do not rely on him to distribute the ball..

Wait until this season before you claim Tony stinks. In the past, he had no jumper. Since the AllStar break, he has made 46% of his jumpers. Yesterday of his 10 made baskets, four were jumpers.

You should be hammering the hell out of Manu. He hasn't defended shit this series and the last two games has sucked offensively. Why are you concentrating on Tony?

[George Gervin's Afro]

He's doing what he's told.

And give me a fucking break. This season Tony was the best player on the team. Tim was injured all year. Manu missed a ton of games. And right now apparently Manu is still "upset" over a turnover 4 days ago. I'm not sure what you expect from Tony. You should have started this thread after game 3 if you wanted a little credibility. Starting it today is embarrassing.


As I mentioned in my original post Tony parker is regular season all star. So Kori do you expect Tony to lead us to the Finals? I am tired of seeing the dude disappear in the playoffs.. No one can argure that and I mean the 5 yrs he has been in the league he has stunk in the playoffs.. Speedy Claxton anyone???

[mavsfan1000]

The only player doing anything is Parker. Ginobili has disappeared. He forgot to bring his game to Sacramento.

[Kori Ellis]

As I mentioned in my original post Tony parker is regular season all star. So Kori do you expect Tony to lead us to the Finals? I am tired of seeing the dude disappear in the playoffs.. No one can argure that and I mean the 5 yrs he has been in the league he has stunk in the playoffs.. Speedy Claxton anyone???

Last year Tony averaged 17 ppg in the postseason.

Yes, when they collapsed the lane on him (especially in the Detroit series), he didn't have a solution because he couldn't hit a jumpshot in the past.

And no, I don't expect Tony Parker to lead us to a Championship.

I expect Tony Parker, Manu Ginobili, Bruce Bowen, Robert Horry, Tim Duncan to lead us to a Championship.

[Solid D]

Anyone who's been watching the Spurs knows Parker had a green light to shoot. If he didn't, Pop would have reined him in before the 2nd half ever started.

I saw Tony Francis miss on plenty of opportunities to hit an open man.

I love Tony Parker, and I loved the increased confidence but I was less than enamored with the temporary emergence of Tony Francis.

:smokin

Meanwhile, the Spurs lost because they played soft and Wells, Artest, Martin, and Miller were playing inspired basketball. They basically owned the Spurs once they smelled blood in the closing minutes of the 2nd quarter.

[pache100]

As I mentioned in my original post Tony parker is regular season all star. So Kori do you expect Tony to lead us to the Finals? I am tired of seeing the dude disappear in the playoffs.. No one can argure that and I mean the 5 yrs he has been in the league he has stunk in the playoffs.. Speedy Claxton anyone???

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[pache100]

Meanwhile, the Spurs lost because they played soft and Wells, Artest, Martin, and Miller were playing inspired basketball. They basically owned the Spurs once they smelled blood in the closing minutes of the 2nd quarter.

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[mavsfan1000]

Parker should be attacking Bibby more. Bibby can't stop Parker.

[pache100]

Parker should be attacking Bibby more. Bibby can't stop Parker.

BeeBee

[George Gervin's Afro]

Wait until this season before you claim Tony stinks. In the past, he had no jumper. Since the AllStar break, he has made 46% of his jumpers. Yesterday of his 10 made baskets, four were jumpers.

You should be hammering the hell out of Manu. He hasn't defended shit this series and the last two games has sucked offensively. Why are you concentrating on Tony?



No one on our team can defend Wells or Artest so I do not hold manu strictly responsible. Look we all understand that possessions are of a premium in the playoffs. Tony handles the ball way to much even though he is the point guard. How many mulligans are we going to give him for running down the shot clock to then driving the lane and forcing a shot or throwing a bad pass.. I do not blame Tony completely for this I also blame our coaching staff for not telling Tony that some days he is not going to be able to get to the basket.. I want him to make our team better even if he cannot play his game..If his game is not on our whole team suffers unlike if manu if he has a bad game..

[Kori Ellis]

No one on our team can defend Wells or Artest so I do not hold manu strictly responsible. Look we all understand that possessions are of a premium in the playoffs. Tony handles the ball way to much even though he is the point guard. How many mulligans are we going to give him for running down the shot clock to then driving the lane and forcing a shot or throwing a bad pass.. I do not blame Tony completely for this I also blame our coaching staff for not telling Tony that some days he is not going to be able to get to the basket.. I want him to make our team better even if he cannot play his game..If his game is not on our whole team suffers unlike if manu if he has a bad game..

Okay then blame the coaching staff.

Believe me, Tony only does what he is told. Pop rules Tony.

[implacable44]

Wait until this season before you claim Tony stinks. In the past, he had no jumper. Since the AllStar break, he has made 46% of his jumpers. Yesterday of his 10 made baskets, four were jumpers.

You should be hammering the hell out of Manu. He hasn't defended shit this series and the last two games has sucked offensively. Why are you concentrating on Tony?


Did he get a jumper that I wasn't aware of ? There is a reason the Kings go under the screen on Parker - there is a reason they leave him and dare him to shoot jumpers - you have to know it isn't by accident don't you ? teams want him to shoot jumpers because his jumper is BROKE.

1 assist last night ? 1 assist? heck tim was 7 of 11 from the field - he should have gotten at least 20 shots - not Parker. He is the PG and on this team with all these shooters he should be passing - he should be creating scoring opportunities for his team- he doesn't do that. He either gets to the rim with his speed or he is steve francis without the hops -- dribble - dribble -- dribble - dribble some more -- shoot.

Of course the lane is closed - there is no secret to stopping Parker - close the lane and if needed knock him on his butt and he will fade just like he did against the Lakers a few years back and the Pistons last year.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Last year Tony averaged 17 ppg in the postseason.

Yes, when they collapsed the lane on him (especially in the Detroit series), he didn't have a solution because he couldn't hit a jumpshot in the past.

And no, I don't expect Tony Parker to lead us to a Championship.

I expect Tony Parker, Manu Ginobili, Bruce Bowen, Robert Horry, Tim Duncan to lead us to a Championship.


Well Kori everyone is collapsing on us now.. that is why I mentioned his disappearing has happened in the first round this year. I have no choice to support the guy because he is our point guard but that does not mean I have to be enamored with him. One other thing I abhor his moping on the court when things don't go his way..

[SAGambler]

The problem is rebounding.....

Way, way too many second chance points by the Kings.....

At one point last night we were out shooting them by 6 or 7 percent, yet trailing by four or five points......

If they keep beating us to death on second chance points. We are done for...

[timvp]

I don't get this thread. The offense is good enough.

It's defense and rebounding. Parker could be John Stockton out there and the Spurs would still get beat because they can't get a freaking rebound or get a stop to save their lives.

[ducks]

how many players in the nba shoot a higher % on jumpers then 46%
that is what tp has done since the allstar game



names please

[George Gervin's Afro]

I don't get this thread. The offense is good enough.

It's defense and rebounding. Parker could be John Stockton out there and the Spurs would still get beat because they can't get a freaking rebound or get a stop to save their lives.


So you have to bring up us getting our a$$es kicked on the boards and porous defense..

[Kori Ellis]

I just don't get all these threads about stuff that is so secondary.

Tony has scored 22/25/12/22 points in the series. When he didn't score enough in game 3, Pop told him to keep shooting from outside. Last night he hit four jumpers and six layups. Sure, the ball movement wasn't great. But that isn't the main problem of the Spurs.

After each game of this series, Spurs fans should be starting one thread -- BONZI WELLS IS KICKING OUR ASS. That's the only thing that's happening this series. It's pretty simple -- Bonzi is averaging 21 and 12 and shooting FIFTY-NINE percent from the floor.

Slow down Bonzi Wells.

[implacable44]

how many players in the nba shoot a higher % on jumpers then 46%
that is what tp has done since the allstar game



names please


jumpers? as in outside the lane ? I call bulls--- on that -- you will have to show me that for me to believe that.

[Kori Ellis]

jumpers? as in outside the lane ? I call bulls--- on that -- you will have to show me that for me to believe that.

The stats were proven yesterday in another thread. You'll have to go look for it.

[implacable44]

I just don't get all these threads about stuff that is so secondary.

Tony has scored 22/25/12/22 points in the series. When he didn't score enough in game 3, Pop told him to keep shooting from outside. Last night he hit four jumpers and six layups. Sure, the ball movement wasn't great. But that isn't the main problem of the Spurs.

After each game of this series, Spurs fans should be starting one thread -- BONZI WELLS IS KICKING OUR ASS. That's the only thing that's happening this series. It's pretty simple -- Bonzi is averaging 21 and 12 and shooting FIFTY-NINE percent from the floor.

Slow down Bonzi Wells.


shoot more after game 3 ? - dude was 4 for 13 - he shoots enough. - the he turned around and threw up ( pun intended) 20 shots and got 1 assist when TImmy could have dominated the game but only got up 11 shots.

No doubt the thread should be - stop bonzie wells - somebody cowboy the hell up and stop bonzi wells. The Spurs are making him look like Jordan. Knock that dude on his butt once or twice -get in his head - you already know both he and artest are mental - get in somebody's head.

REBOUND -- good lord get a rebound. The Spurs play with no heart -- no hunger --- they are just going through the motions.

[pache100]

One other thing I abhor his moping on the court when things don't go his way..


Link? I have NEVER seen Tony "mope". He puts his head down and grinds it out when he makes a mistake or when "things don't go his way". Geez. Even when he comes back in the game from getting his ass chewed by Pop, he has a positive attitude (and he takes everything Pop says to him to heart and can almost repeat it back to you word for word...weeks later). Tony Parker is one of the most humble players on the team. You're gonna have to get serious and quit joking around if you want me to listen to your arguments. You just invalidated anything you've said so far, IMO, with that remark.

[ducks]

parker got 10 assist in one game but still tp was not good enough in that game either


he got the green light from pop


what was mike and manu shooting % last night manu was 1-4 that is right 25%


tp needs to balance shooting and assist out but the o is fine

[George Gervin's Afro]

Link? I have NEVER seen Tony "mope". He puts his head down and grinds it out when he makes a mistake or when "things don't go his way". Geez. Even when he comes back in the game from getting his ass chewed by Pop, he has a positive attitude (and he takes everything Pop says to him to heart and can almost repeat it back to you word for word...weeks later). Tony Parker is one of the most humble players on the team. You're gonna have to get serious and quit joking around if you want me to listen to your arguments. You just invalidated anything you've said so far, IMO, with that remark.

humble-
1. not proud or arrogant; modest: to be humble although successful.
2. having a feeling of insignificance, inferiority, subservience, etc.: In the presence of so many world-famous writers I felt very humble.
3. low in rank, importance, status, quality, etc.; lowly: of humble origin; a humble home.
4. courteously respectful: In my humble opinion you are wrong.
5. low in height, level, etc.; small in size: a humble member of the galaxy



mope-
1. to be sunk in dejection or listless apathy; sulk; brood.

[pache100]

parker got 10 assist in one game but still tp was not good enough in that game either


he got the green light from pop


what was mike and manu shooting % last night manu was 1-4 that is right 25%


tp needs to balance shooting and assist out but the o is fine

All I can say, ducks, is I'm soooo thankful this clown is not the coach of the Spurs. We need to keep him at least three counties away from the AT&T Center. :madrun

[pache100]

humble-
1. not proud or arrogant; modest: to be humble although successful.
2. having a feeling of insignificance, inferiority, subservience, etc.: In the presence of so many world-famous writers I felt very humble.
3. low in rank, importance, status, quality, etc.; lowly: of humble origin; a humble home.
4. courteously respectful: In my humble opinion you are wrong.
5. low in height, level, etc.; small in size: a humble member of the galaxy



mope-
1. to be sunk in dejection or listless apathy; sulk; brood.

Yes? And?

(You just proved my point, thanks! That summed up what I said very nicely - the definition of humble describes Tony Parker to a T).

[timvp]

Rebounding.

Bonzi Wells.

[George Gervin's Afro]

All I can say, ducks, is I'm soooo thankful this clown is not the coach of the Spurs. We need to keep him at least three counties away from the AT&T Center. :madrun


clown? shouldn't you understand the meaning of a word before you use it?


So I must agree tony force your way into the lane..force up contested shots.. dibble the shot clock out..

[Spurminator]

Rebounding.

Bonzi Wells.

I would add interior D as well. Certainly before discussing Parker.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Yes? And?

(You just proved my point, thanks! That summed up what I said very nicely - the definition of humble describes Tony Parker to a T).


but i said he moped.. you responded with he was humble... your not very bright are you?

[pache100]

clown? shouldn't you understand the meaning of a word before you use it?


So I must agree tony force your way into the lane..force up contested shots.. dibble the shot clock out..

Yeah. I do. I'm a grownup (53 yrs old, to be exact). I know the meaning of the word and it's appropriate here. Very appropriate. And every time you post, you prove it.

Get back with me when you want to have a serious conversation.


but i said he moped.. you responded with he was humble... your not very bright are you?

That one speaks for itself. :rolleyes

[ducks]

I am still waiting on names of players who shot jumpers better then 46% since the allstar break

[implacable44]

I am still waiting on names of players who shot jumpers better then 46% since the allstar break


im still waiting for the proof - we are talking jumpers -- outside the lane right ?

[Kori Ellis]

im still waiting for the proof - we are talking jumpers -- outside the lane right ?

Yeah jumpers outside 16 feet.

Similar to the two 20-footers he knocked down in the first quarter yesterday.

[George Gervin's Afro]

I am still waiting on names of players who shot jumpers better then 46% since the allstar break



We are talking playoffs as the original post stated

[pache100]

im still waiting for the proof - we are talking jumpers -- outside the lane right ?

Deny...demand proof...deny the proof. Geez...one would think you are a Republican.

[Kori Ellis]

We are talking playoffs as the original post stated

He hit four jumpers yesterday. Two 20-footers in the first quarter.

Parker isn't infallible. Sometimes he still gets tunnel vision. Sometimes he still sucks from the outside. But he's really not a primary problem right now.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Deny...demand proof...deny the proof. Geez...one would think you are a Republican.


your a fellow democrat.. :depressed

[pache100]

your a fellow democrat.. :depressed

And proud of it.

[George Gervin's Afro]

He hit four jumpers yesterday. Two 20-footers in the first quarter.

Parker isn't infallible. Sometimes he still gets tunnel vision. Sometimes he still sucks from the outside. But he's really not a primary problem right now.


Maybe I should have spoken my peace in 2004 rather than allow TP's inadequacies build up... I held them in until now..!

[implacable44]

Yeah jumpers outside 16 feet.

Similar to the two 20-footers he knocked down in the first quarter yesterday.

compared to the 6 he missed?

[Kori Ellis]

compared to the 6 he missed?

He didn't miss jumpers in the first quarter. He shot 50% on the night and made four jumpers and six layups.

Pop told him specifically to shoot more after game 3 because they wanted him to stay confident in shooting the jumper.

If you don't agree with the philosophy, then I guess blame Pop.

[Thekid]

Some of you like Parker shooting alot and there is nothing wrong with him shooting or being aggressive BUT there's a difference between being agressive and getting your TEAM involved. He has to find a way to be assertive but get everyone involved also.

Personally I think that is the MAIN problem!!!!!

[ducks]

We are talking playoffs as the original post stated


ok playoffs this season
pop broght in chip to fix tp shot so last season does not count

[Kori Ellis]

Well the MAIN problem is the Spurs are allowing Bonzi Wells to put up over 20 and 12 on over 55% shooting. The Spurs aren't losing games because of their offense right now.

[ducks]

Some of you like Parker shooting alot and there is nothing wrong with him shooting or being aggressive BUT there's a difference between being agressive and getting your TEAM involved. He has to find a way to be assertive but get everyone involved also.

Personally I think that is the MAIN problem!!!!!


allowering wells to shoot 59% getting over 12 rebounds a game is not the main problem?

[implacable44]

He didn't miss jumpers in the first quarter. He shot 50% on the night and made four jumpers and six layups.

Pop told him specifically to shoot more after game 3 because they wanted him to stay confident in shooting the jumper.

If you don't agree with the philosophy, then I guess blame Pop.

i dont care if he missed the jumpers in the first or second half - he missed 6 of them

[Thekid]

"1 assist last night ? 1 assist? heck tim was 7 of 11 from the field - he should have gotten at least 20 shots - not Parker. He is the PG and on this team with all these shooters he should be passing - he should be creating scoring opportunities for his team- he doesn't do that. He either gets to the rim with his speed or he is steve francis without the hops -- dribble - dribble -- dribble - dribble some more -- shoot. "

Amen to this comment whoever said this. Defense is definately a problem and rebounding BUT Bonzi had a game out of his mind lastnight. If he has ANOTHER game like he did lastnight then I would be concerned but I don't think he'll play that well throughout the series.

[ducks]

and made 4

so he was 4-10 from jumpers
missing 6+4 means he shot 10
he made 4

therefore he was shooting 40% for jumpers


which spur player shot better then that yesterday with jumpers?

[ducks]

"1 assist last night ? 1 assist? heck tim was 7 of 11 from the field - he should have gotten at least 20 shots - not Parker. He is the PG and on this team with all these shooters he should be passing - he should be creating scoring opportunities for his team- he doesn't do that. He either gets to the rim with his speed or he is steve francis without the hops -- dribble - dribble -- dribble - dribble some more -- shoot. "

Amen to this comment whoever said this. Defense is definately a problem and rebounding BUT Bonzi had a game out of his mind lastnight. If he has ANOTHER game like he did lastnight then I would be concerned but I don't think he'll play that well throughout the series.
boniz had 3 great games

he is not going to go away unless spurs change something

[Bambililos]

Oh well, are we going to blame Tony each time he misses a shoot? Everyone missed, at every game! Tony has the better percentage in the team.
Let's talk about rebouds, which is the biggest problem of the Spurs so far. Let's talk about Manu who blows half of his games.

[Spurminator]

I can't believe 6 missed jumpers are such a big deal in a game we lost by 20.

I guess if he had passed those 6 times and the other player had scored every single time, we might've only lost by 6.


It's hard out here for a Frenchie.

[Kori Ellis]

and made 4

so he was 4-10 from jumpers
missing 6+4 means he shot 10
he made 4

therefore he was shooting 40% for jumpers


which spur player shot better then that yesterday with jumpers?

Actually he only missed 5 jumpers unless you are counting a 9 footer.

So he was 4/9 on jumpers and 6/11 on layups/runners.

You can complain about game 3 if you want -- that's justified. But don't complain about game 4.

[Vashner]

I want to see the original poster play Tony one on one...

[pache100]

Let's talk about rebouds, which is the biggest problem of the Spurs so far. Let's talk about Manu who blows half of his games.

The haters don't want to talk about that. They don't want to be confused with the facts...their minds are made up. All they want to talk about is Tony, the Devil Incarnate.

[timvp]

My problem with Tony Parker is he's not a long three who can guard Bonzi Wells.

[Kori Ellis]

Defense is definately a problem and rebounding BUT Bonzi had a game out of his mind lastnight. If he has ANOTHER game like he did lastnight then I would be concerned but I don't think he'll play that well throughout the series.

Did you miss game two when Bonzi had 28 points and 12 rebounds or game 3 when he had 19 and 14?

[ducks]

ame Min FG 3Pt FT Off Reb Ast TO Stl Blk PF Pts
B. Bowen 29 2-6 1-3 0-0 0 2 3 1 2 0 3 5
T. Duncan 32 7-11 0-0 3-6 0 8 2 4 0 0 4 17
R. Nesterovic 23 3-4 0-0 0-0 1 2 0 0 0 1 3 6
M. Ginobili 24 1-4 0-2 1-1 1 3 2 1 0 0 2 3
T. Parker 34 10-20 0-1 2-2 0 1 1 3 2 0 1 22
M. Finley 17 1-7 0-3 1-3 0 1 1 0 1 0 0 3
N. Mohammed 17 1-3 0-0 6-8 4 7 0 0 0 0 5 8
R. Horry 15 2-2 0-0 0-0 0 2 0 3 0 0 1 4
B. Udrih 13 3-10 1-2 1-1 1 1 2 1 0 0 1 8
B. Barry 25 2-3 1-2 3-6 0 2 2 0 2 0 1 8
F. Oberto 5 0-1 0-0 0-0 0 2 0 1 0 0 0 0
S. Marks DNP - Coach's Decision
N. Van Exel DNP - Coach's Decision
Totals 234 32-71 3-13 17-27 7 31 13 14 7 1 21 84
Percentages: .451 .231 .630 Team Rebounds: 14


beno was 3-10

why is he not a ball hog when tim had 11 shots?
mike was 1-7 you wanted him to shoot more then tp last night?

[implacable44]

Actually he only missed 5 jumpers unless you are counting a 9 footer.

So he was 4/9 on jumpers and 6/11 on layups/runners.

You can complain about game 3 if you want -- that's justified. But don't complain about game 4.


I can't complain about 1 assist from the point guard? I am supposed to accept Yinka Dare type numbers from the PG ? I am supposed to be resolved to the fact, that altough he is talented - he doesnt create shots for anyone on the team ?

[implacable44]

ame Min FG 3Pt FT Off Reb Ast TO Stl Blk PF Pts
B. Bowen 29 2-6 1-3 0-0 0 2 3 1 2 0 3 5
T. Duncan 32 7-11 0-0 3-6 0 8 2 4 0 0 4 17
R. Nesterovic 23 3-4 0-0 0-0 1 2 0 0 0 1 3 6
M. Ginobili 24 1-4 0-2 1-1 1 3 2 1 0 0 2 3
T. Parker 34 10-20 0-1 2-2 0 1 1 3 2 0 1 22
M. Finley 17 1-7 0-3 1-3 0 1 1 0 1 0 0 3
N. Mohammed 17 1-3 0-0 6-8 4 7 0 0 0 0 5 8
R. Horry 15 2-2 0-0 0-0 0 2 0 3 0 0 1 4
B. Udrih 13 3-10 1-2 1-1 1 1 2 1 0 0 1 8
B. Barry 25 2-3 1-2 3-6 0 2 2 0 2 0 1 8
F. Oberto 5 0-1 0-0 0-0 0 2 0 1 0 0 0 0
S. Marks DNP - Coach's Decision
N. Van Exel DNP - Coach's Decision
Totals 234 32-71 3-13 17-27 7 31 13 14 7 1 21 84
Percentages: .451 .231 .630 Team Rebounds: 14


beno was 3-10

why is he not a ball hog when tim had 11 shots?
mike was 1-7 you wanted him to shoot more then tp last night?

a lot of benos shots came in the 4th when the game was OVER

[implacable44]

The haters don't want to talk about that. They don't want to be confused with the facts...their minds are made up. All they want to talk about is Tony, the Devil Incarnate.


well said micheal moore -

actually the facts are being discussed.

[pache100]

well said micheal moore -

actually the facts are being discussed.

The facts are being refuted. I guess you can call that "being discussed".

[Que Gee]

My problem with Tony Parker is he's a point guard who wont pass. Every game I start yelling at the television because a shooter comes off a screen wide open but TP holds on to the ball and dribbles another 10 seconds off the clock, or instead of moving the ball and spreading out the defense, he takes it into the paint where the defense collapses so he's forced to try to kick it out to the perimeter though traffic where it's easily picked off. I have no problem with him attacking the basket and getting layups or hitting a teardrop runner, but he needs to stop taking jumpers and start passing the damn ball.

He will never be a truely great point guard until he starts making the players around him better...He doesn't.

[implacable44]

The facts are being refuted. I guess you can call that "being discussed".


what are the facts as you see them ? I see a PG who refuses to create scoring opportunities for his team. I see the supposed best defender in the game getting lit up no matter who he guards - I see the Spurs getting out rebounded, out-coached, out hustled, and scared. Did you see Manu's face last night ? scared player -

the spurs need to put bonzi wells on the floor - the spurs need to play with some heart and get into the mental aspect of the game. somebody needs to get inside bonzi's head because he looks like barkely out there - dominating. TP needs to create scoring opportunities for the shooters this team has and tim needs a lot more of the ball.

[ducks]

tp is doing what pop told him to do

maybe next game pop will tell tp to get duncan going earlier and see if he can get the fings in foul trouble




if the spurs attack the basket they can get ron and wells in foul trouble ....

[pache100]

what are the facts as you see them ?

"As I see them" has nothing to do with it. Kori, timvp, hell, even Ducks has posted facts just on this page (I didn't even go back to the other pages in this thread) that have been rejected. Are you reading the thread?

[Thekid]

Did you miss game two when Bonzi had 28 points and 12 rebounds or game 3 when he had 19 and 14?


Game two he fouled out and the Spurs won! Game three, while he played well the Spurs were in the game and if NOT for a turnover by Manu they win that one too. LASTNIGHT was the first time his hard work and everything completely demoralized the Spurs.

[implacable44]

The facts are being refuted. I guess you can call that "being discussed".


some of these "facts" are what you believe the facts to be -- there are others who believe that there are different "facts" - hence I want to know the facts as you see them Einstein

[ducks]

so 3 solid outings is nothing to worry about because last night was the only one they got beat bad by and game 3 was lost because of a bad turnover at a very bad time

[pache100]

some of these "facts" are what you believe the facts to be -- there are others who believe that there are different "facts" - hence I want to know the facts as you see them Einstein

I quit talking to people whose solitary goal is to insult people. That seems to be the road you are going down. You can pick on someone else now.

[ducks]

some of these "facts" are what you believe the facts to be -- there are others who believe that there are different "facts" - hence I want to know the facts as you see them Einstein

what do you call a a fact?

do you say for a fact tp hit 4 jumpers last night?

[implacable44]

I quit talking to people whose solitary goal is to insult people. That seems to be the road you are going down. You can pick on someone else now.


I am not intending to insult you, I apologize for the sarcasm - i thought it would be better received by you ( didnt you refer to someone as a clown ?). I seriously want to know.

[implacable44]

what do you call a a fact?

do you say for a fact tp hit 4 jumpers last night?


Kori said he was 4 for 9. I counted 4 for 10.

[tomati 9]

Come on ! you're just pathetic.
tp shots 10/20 (50%) not 9/33 like VC or Arenas.
Maybe tp takes 20 shots because others guys disappear (what's the % of mike, bruce or manu). If Tim wants to shoot more he says to tony "give me the ball, I'm the go to player". He did not do that ! Why ? because he is afraid of tp ? Come on guys, don't forget what tony parker did for the San Antonio spurs during the last five years, stop saying bullshit on tp because you're frustrated by manu play level this year
I'm tired about tony haters ! You are not real spurs fans

[ducks]

so you are counting the 9 footer
she said it was 4-9 if you did not count the 9 footer



is it a fact wells has been a rebounding machine for the kings?

[Spurminator]

If we must count, we should also consider that his three-pointer was shot as the shot clock expired.

[pache100]

I am not intending to insult you, I apologize for the sarcasm - i thought it would be better received by you ( didnt you refer to someone as a clown ?). I seriously want to know.

Ok, how far back do you want me to go? (I can't believe I'm doing this when it's all right there for anyone who can read)


parker got 10 assist in one game but still tp was not good enough in that game either
he got the green light from pop
what was mike and manu shooting % last night manu was 1-4 that is right 25%
tp needs to balance shooting and assist out but the o is fine


Rebounding.

Bonzi Wells.


I am still waiting on names of players who shot jumpers better then 46% since the allstar break


Yeah jumpers outside 16 feet.

Similar to the two 20-footers he knocked down in the first quarter yesterday.


He hit four jumpers yesterday. Two 20-footers in the first quarter.

Parker isn't infallible. Sometimes he still gets tunnel vision. Sometimes he still sucks from the outside. But he's really not a primary problem right now.


and made 4
so he was 4-10 from jumpers
missing 6+4 means he shot 10
he made 4
therefore he was shooting 40% for jumpers
which spur player shot better then that yesterday with jumpers?


Oh well, are we going to blame Tony each time he misses a shoot? Everyone missed, at every game! Tony has the better percentage in the team.
Let's talk about rebouds, which is the biggest problem of the Spurs so far. Let's talk about Manu who blows half of his games.


Actually he only missed 5 jumpers unless you are counting a 9 footer.

So he was 4/9 on jumpers and 6/11 on layups/runners.

You can complain about game 3 if you want -- that's justified. But don't complain about game 4.


My problem with Tony Parker is he's not a long three who can guard Bonzi Wells.


Did you miss game two when Bonzi had 28 points and 12 rebounds or game 3 when he had 19 and 14?


tp is doing what pop told him to do
maybe next game pop will tell tp to get duncan going earlier and see if he can get the fings in foul trouble
if the spurs attack the basket they can get ron and wells in foul trouble ....

(Note: Geez, I can't believe I'm quoting Ducks...don't think I've ever done that before... :lol ...j/k, Ducks)

[implacable44]

Come on ! you're just pathetic.
tp shots 10/20 (50%) not 9/33 like VC or Arenas.
Maybe tp takes 20 shots because others guys disappear (what's the % of mike, bruce or manu). If Tim wants to shoot more he says to tony "give me the ball, I'm the go to player". He did not do that ! Why ? because he is afraid of tp ? Come on guys, don't forget what tony parker did for the San Antonio spurs during the last five years, stop saying bullshit on tp because you're frustrated by manu play level this year
I'm tired about tony haters ! You are not real spurs fans


what has tony done the last 5 years? every year in the playoffs he gets replaced and loses playing time because he is ineffective - steve kerr -- beno -- lets not forget that disappearing act he did against the Lakers after a few hard fouls.

TD should not have to tell the french guy to pass him the ball -that is the point guards primary role - DISTRIBUTE - put people in scoring opportunities- he should know his teammates strenghts and weaknesses - he should know where td likes the ball and when - he should know where barry likes to catch the rock to get his shot off - same with finley. he should know these things. -- but he doesnt. he knows speed and how to score.

[ShoogarBear]

Just accept that there's a certain sad segment that lives solely to dump on TP--win or lose, no matter what the facts are--and move on.

[pache100]

what has tony done the last 5 years? every year in the playoffs he gets replaced and loses playing time because he is ineffective - steve kerr -- beno -- lets not forget that disappearing act he did against the Lakers after a few hard fouls.

There you go destroying any credibility you had again. Steve Kerr played very limited minutes. People remember his big shots and think he played a lot, but he didn't. Who do you think got the team to the point where Steve (or God forbid, BENO) hit anything? Why don't you just admit you hate Tony Parker (who IS the Spurs as much as anyone else) and get on with your life so the rest of us can do the same?

[ducks]

T. Parker 43 8-16 0-1 6-7 1 4 10 game 2
10 assist I think he knows how to pass

how come no one bashed tp for taking 16 shots this game ?

especially shooting 7 free throws to?????

[pache100]

Just accept that there's a certain sad segment that lives solely to dump on TP--win or lose, no matter what the facts are--and move on.

Yes, Shoog, alas...I think you are right. :depressed

[Kori Ellis]

Just accept that there's a certain sad segment that lives solely to dump on TP--win or lose, no matter what the facts are--and move on.


True. Pop asks him to shoot more, he does, and then Spurs fans get pissed.

Just like earlier, Pop asked him to distribute more in a particular game, he had 10+ assists and Spurs fans started a thread saying they like the 20 pt/0 assist games better than the 12 and 12. :lol

Tony has had to carrying the scoring load for the majority of the season. He's improved his jumper. He's hitting nearly all his free throws in this series. He's had 3 20-plus point games out of 4. His counter part Bibby is shooting 35%. (And believe me, I still think TP has big room for improvement).

But really, if you ask Spurs fans, the losses are on him. Ignore Manu folding his tent, taking his ball and going home. Ignore Bonzi going ape shit on the glass and the Spurs D.

It's all on Tony.

Don't believe otherwise :lol

[implacable44]

T. Parker 43 8-16 0-1 6-7 1 4 10 game 2
10 assist I think he knows how to pass

how come no one bashed tp for taking 16 shots this game ?

especially shooting 7 free throws to?????


wow - - he had :
4 assists
10 assists
6 assists
1 assist

averaging : 5.25 per game - compared to say andre miller average 7+ or hinrich averaging 8+ per game. both still scoring but they create scoring opportunities for their team - parker is more of a sam cassell type PG - which isnt bad and I am not saying he is the only reason the Spurs are losing - I don't like his game -- never have -- i think he is good -I just dont like him for the spurs - he would be a good in New York or something - just not for the Spurs.

[implacable44]

There you go destroying any credibility you had again. Steve Kerr played very limited minutes. People remember his big shots and think he played a lot, but he didn't. Who do you think got the team to the point where Steve (or God forbid, BENO) hit anything? Why don't you just admit you hate Tony Parker (who IS the Spurs as much as anyone else) and get on with your life so the rest of us can do the same?


I never said he played loads of minutes in that game - but he had to come in and save the day - dont act like he didnt - if it wasnt for him - the spurs would have lost to the mavs.

notice you didnt comment on the lakers series

[implacable44]

True. Pop asks him to shoot more, he does, and then Spurs fans get pissed.

Just like earlier, Pop asked him to distribute more in a particular game, he had 10+ assists and Spurs fans started a thread saying they like the 20 pt/0 assist games better than the 12 and 12. :lol

Tony has had to carrying the scoring load for the majority of the season. He's improved his jumper. He's hitting nearly all his free throws in this series. He's had 3 20-plus point games out of 4. His counter part Bibby is shooting 35%. (And believe me, I still think TP has big room for improvement).

But really, if you ask Spurs fans, the losses are on him. Ignore Manu folding his tent, taking his ball and going home. Ignore Bonzi going ape shit on the glass and the Spurs D.

It's all on Tony.

Don't believe otherwise :lol


not I - I have called them all out - I don't wear the black and silver glasses either though like some folks in pink bras who shall remain nameless and think that bruce bowen should have been in the 3 point shoot out and is the best defensive player on the planet. I am a realist. The Spurs are getting beat in every facet of the game and Kori - they leave Parker open to shoot the jumper for a reason and boy it sure looks darn effective doesn't it.

somebody please put Bonzi on his tush in game 5 to send a message.

[George Gervin's Afro]

I wanted to re-post my original comments because they have evolved into mischaracterizations and insults. They do not place blame on Tony for everything or the loss for that matter however there are other Spurs fans who see the same things I do.



It has become an annual event come playoff time that Tony disappears. Teams have time to game plan for him and he has become a liability during the playoffs. Now save me his line last night because he got those points because he has the ball in his hands 80% of the time. I am extremely dissapointed in our coaching staff and Parker because we know whats coming and Tony struggles which leads to his moping around with an "oh well what can I do" look on his face. When he cannot penetrate and dish we , as a team, have a difficult time even getting a decent shot off. I wonder if our staff and team have the mentality that we are going to play the same way during the playoffs as we did in the reg. season and if it is not good enough 'oh well'. I am by no means blaming Parker for this loss but I am becoming tired of seeing our point guard become irrelevant during the playoffs which now has happened in round one. I wonder if I email Pop and mention to him that teams are going to take away the lane and make Tony a perimeter player and does he have any idea what we will do when this happens. I can accept losing when the other team just kicks are ass like the Kings are but I am very close to losing faith in Tony Parker..yes I know he was a "REGULAR SEASON" all star but at some point this guy is going to have to figure out how to help his team when he cannot penetrate and dish. I've got news for everybody , assuming we get beyond this round, Tony will struggle for the rest of the playoffs and I hope we are all ready for it.
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[ducks]

do you want me to repost all the rebuttle to your post to?

[pache100]

I never said he played loads of minutes in that game - but he had to come in and save the day - dont act like he didnt - if it wasnt for him - the spurs would have lost to the mavs.

notice you didnt comment on the lakers series

I'm done. I think you just enjoy being an ass.

[ducks]

manu got 9 assist in one game
the ball goes to duncan some to
point guards in the spurs o do not get as many assist as say point guards do that have o like pacers

[pache100]

I wanted to re-post my original comments because they have evolved into mischaracterizations and insults. They do not place blame on Tony for everything or the loss for that matter however there are other Spurs fans who see the same things I do.



It has become an annual event come playoff time that Tony disappears. Teams have time to game plan for him and he has become a liability during the playoffs. Now save me his line last night because he got those points because he has the ball in his hands 80% of the time. I am extremely dissapointed in our coaching staff and Parker because we know whats coming and Tony struggles which leads to his moping around with an "oh well what can I do" look on his face. When he cannot penetrate and dish we , as a team, have a difficult time even getting a decent shot off. I wonder if our staff and team have the mentality that we are going to play the same way during the playoffs as we did in the reg. season and if it is not good enough 'oh well'. I am by no means blaming Parker for this loss but I am becoming tired of seeing our point guard become irrelevant during the playoffs which now has happened in round one. I wonder if I email Pop and mention to him that teams are going to take away the lane and make Tony a perimeter player and does he have any idea what we will do when this happens. I can accept losing when the other team just kicks are ass like the Kings are but I am very close to losing faith in Tony Parker..yes I know he was a "REGULAR SEASON" all star but at some point this guy is going to have to figure out how to help his team when he cannot penetrate and dish. I've got news for everybody , assuming we get beyond this round, Tony will struggle for the rest of the playoffs and I hope we are all ready for it.
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I think your problem is you haven't changed anyone's mind about Tony Parker with you hate. You probably better get over that.

[implacable44]

insulting someone ? is that your sole purpose on this board ? Infuriating.

Look some folks like you say live to hate on TP no matter what he does and then there are those ( yourself included) who have black and silver glasses and think he hung the moon. I have already said my peace- TP is a dang good player - fast, knows how to score but doesnt know how to play PG - he is a steve francis, stephon marbury without the jumper. that is how i see him. I am not blaming losses on him or giving him credit for victories.

[implacable44]

manu got 9 assist in one game
the ball goes to duncan some to
point guards in the spurs o do not get as many assist as say point guards do that have o like pacers



that is silly - the spurs dont run the triangle - somebody - kori has to have some type of stats about how long tp has the ball in his hand - he has more control of the rock in this offense than any other player. he should create scoring opportunities for them. he could easily average 20 and 10 with this roster.

[George Gervin's Afro]

I think your problem is you haven't changed anyone's mind about Tony Parker with you hate. You probably better get over that.


wow you got that i hate tony parker out of it. Your either not very bright or intellectually dishonest irregardless there are other Spurs fans who 'hate' Tony parker because they don't suck on his nuts like you do. Please find where i hate him and get back to me..

[ducks]

Andre Miller 4 37.8 6.8 14.8 45.8 0.0 0.0 0.0 3.3 3.8 86.7 1.5 2.5 4.0 7.0 3.8 1.0 0.3 2.3 16.8


Tony Parker 4 33.5 7.8 16.0 48.4 0.0 0.8 0.0 4.8 5.0 95.0 0.5 2.5 3.0 5.3 3.3 1.3 0.0 2.3 20.3


tony is shotting better then miller also and averaging 4 more points a game in the playoffs

[ducks]

spurs playoff stats show far


yer G Min M A Pct M A Pct M A Pct Off Def Tot Ast TO Stl Blk PF PPG
Tony Parker 4 33.5 7.8 16.0 48.4 0.0 0.8 0.0 4.8 5.0 95.0 0.5 2.5 3.0 5.3 3.3 1.3 0.0 2.3 20.3
Tim Duncan 4 32.8 6.5 11.8 55.3 0.0 0.0 0.0 4.8 7.3 65.5 1.5 8.5 10.0 2.3 2.0 0.8 1.8 3.5 17.8
Manu Ginobili 4 28.8 4.8 10.8 44.2 0.8 3.5 21.4 3.0 4.0 75.0 0.5 3.0 3.5 4.3 2.8 0.3 0.0 2.8 13.3
Brent Barry 4 25.2 4.0 6.8 59.3 2.0 4.0 50.0 1.3 2.3 55.6 0.0 2.3 2.3 2.3 0.0 1.0 0.3 1.3 11.3
Michael Finley 4 24.4 3.3 7.3 44.8 2.0 4.3 47.1 2.0 2.5 80.0 0.0 3.0 3.0 2.0 0.0 0.5 0.3 1.3 10.5
Nazr Mohammed 4 19.3 2.8 3.8 73.3 0.3 0.3 100.0 2.8 3.5 78.6 3.0 2.3 5.3 0.3 1.8 0.5 1.5 2.8 8.5
Robert Horry 4 16.6 1.8 2.8 63.6 1.0 1.5 66.7 2.0 2.5 80.0 1.5 1.3 2.8 0.3 1.5 0.0 1.0 1.8 6.5
Rasho Nesterovic 4 19.4 2.8 4.0 68.8 0.3 0.3 100.0 0.5 0.5 100.0 1.5 3.8 5.3 0.3 0.3 0.5 1.0 2.5 6.3
Beno Udrih 3 10.8 2.7 7.3 36.4 0.3 1.7 20.0 0.3 0.3 100.0 0.3 0.7 1.0 2.7 0.3 0.0 0.0 2.0 6.0
Nick Van Exel 3 12.2 1.0 5.3 18.8 1.0 2.3 42.9 1.7 1.7 100.0 0.0 0.3 0.3 1.0 0.3 0.3 0.3 1.7 4.7
Bruce Bowen 4 25.4 1.5 3.0 50.0 0.8 1.5 50.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.3 1.8 2.0 1.8 0.5 1.0 0.3 2.0 3.8
Fabricio Oberto 2 7.1 0.5 1.0 50.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.5 1.0 50.0 0.0 1.5 1.5 0.0 1.0 0.5 0.5 1.0 1.5
Total 38.0 76.0 50.0 8.0 19.0 42.1 22.8 29.5 77.1 9.0 29.8 38.8 21.3 13.0 6.3 6.5 23.3 106.8

[ducks]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/sas/stats?sort=25&year=postseason_2005

[ducks]

what is scary is barru is almost at 60% shooting in the postseason!

[pache100]

wow you got that i hate tony parker out of it. Your either not very bright or intelectually dishonest irregardless there are other Spurs fans who 'hate' Tony parker because they don't suck on his nuts like you do. Please find where i hate him and get back to me..

There you go with the insults again, just because someone disagrees with you they are "intelectually dishonest" (sic) (what the hell does that mean, anyway, :lol ). Just because we post or repost facts that refute your hate, we "suck on his nuts". I won't be getting back to you. I have read and responded your insults for the last time. You don't want a "discussion". You want to beat people over the head with your opinion until they agree with you...ain't gonna happen.

[tomati 9]

yeah you're right, tony parker has nothing to do with the fact the spurs won 2 rings in 3 years

[implacable44]

Andre Miller 4 37.8 6.8 14.8 45.8 0.0 0.0 0.0 3.3 3.8 86.7 1.5 2.5 4.0 7.0 3.8 1.0 0.3 2.3 16.8


Tony Parker 4 33.5 7.8 16.0 48.4 0.0 0.8 0.0 4.8 5.0 95.0 0.5 2.5 3.0 5.3 3.3 1.3 0.0 2.3 20.3


tony is shotting better then miller also and averaging 4 more points a game in the playoffs

well miller gets 1 more board about2 more assists which puts his point contribution just about even with tony's.

okay hinrich :

4 4 38.3 mpg. 453 fg% .471 3p% .862 ft%. 00 off. 2.80 def. 2.80 reb. 8.8 asts. 1.25 steals .25 blocks 3.75 TO 4.50 PF 22.8 PPG

blows tony away.

[implacable44]

yeah you're right, tony parker has nothing to do with the fact the spurs won 2 rings in 3 years


sure he does -- all the spurs do -

[George Gervin's Afro]

yeah you're right, tony parker has nothing to do with the fact the spurs won 2 rings in 3 years


well since speedy claxton was on the floor for the entire 4th qtr of game 6 in the finals i accept your apology. throw in tony parker had 1 basket in the second half of game 7 please send the sorry real quci!

[George Gervin's Afro]

There you go with the insults again, just because someone disagrees with you they are "intelectually dishonest" (sic) (what the hell does that mean, anyway, :lol ). Just because we post or repost facts that refute your hate, we "suck on his nuts". I won't be getting back to you. I have read and responded your insults for the last time. You don't want a "discussion". You want to beat people over the head with your opinion until they agree with you...ain't gonna happen.


so you could not find where i said i hated him... oh sorry is pointing out your ignorance an insult..

[ducks]

well miller gets 1 more board about2 more assists which puts his point contribution just about even with tony's.

okay hinrich :

4 4 38.3 mpg. 453 fg% .471 3p% .862 ft%. 00 off. 2.80 def. 2.80 reb. 8.8 asts. 1.25 steals .25 blocks 3.75 TO 4.50 PF 22.8 PPG

blows tony away.


he is avergaing more assist shooting a lower %
but how many other members of the bulls have as money assist as the other spur players

spurs usually average around 20 assist a night boutons pointed that out the other night

[ducks]

well miller gets 1 more board about2 more assists which puts his point contribution just about even with tony's.

okay hinrich :

4 4 38.3 mpg. 453 fg% .471 3p% .862 ft%. 00 off. 2.80 def. 2.80 reb. 8.8 asts. 1.25 steals .25 blocks 3.75 TO 4.50 PF 22.8 PPG

blows tony away.


Andres Nocioni blows all the other spur players away expect for duncan

[implacable44]

he is avergaing more assist shooting a lower %
but how many other members of the bulls have as money assist as the other spur players

spurs usually average around 20 assist a night boutons pointed that out the other night

he is averaging 3 more asissts on the youngest team in the playoffs and he is shooting 45% vs. 48% ? which equals 29 for 64 ( hinrich) vs 31 for 64 ( parker) or 2 shots - let me see would you rather have 48% and 5 assists or 45% and 8 assists when the difference is 2 shots ?

[implacable44]

he is avergaing more assist shooting a lower %
but how many other members of the bulls have as money assist as the other spur players

spurs usually average around 20 assist a night boutons pointed that out the other night


bulls average 19 assists per game in the playoffs

spurs average 15.25

[ducks]

what does age have to do with anything it is how you play not how old you are

[ducks]

spurs are averaging 21.3 not 15 assist

[implacable44]

what does age have to do with anything it is how you play not how old you are


looked at the wrong category - 20.25 for the bulls and 21.25 for the spurs.

[implacable44]

remember how tony tore up the olympics last summer when those guys wouldn't let him penetrate the lane ?

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Tony is a good player, but his game management is average-below average for a PG...

[implacable44]

and the TP'ers wearing silver and black glasses who think he hung the moon and their angry responses in 3....2.....1..

[spur4life]

My problem with Tony Parker is he's a point guard who wont pass. Every game I start yelling at the television because a shooter comes off a screen wide open but TP holds on to the ball and dribbles another 10 seconds off the clock, or instead of moving the ball and spreading out the defense, he takes it into the paint where the defense collapses so he's forced to try to kick it out to the perimeter though traffic where it's easily picked off. I have no problem with him attacking the basket and getting layups or hitting a teardrop runner, but he needs to stop taking jumpers and start passing the damn ball.



thank u for hitting the nail on the head about that selfish point guard!

[RON ARTEST]

well part of the problem with tp is if he cant get into the lane like he was in game 1 and 2 he cant kick it out to wide open shooters like bowen in the corner or whoever else. and its even harder because the kings arent double teaming duncan that much. so when parker does get into the lane he cant give it to wide open shooters because the kings are staying home on the shooters. parker isnt selfish the kings just have a good gameplan right now. im sure pop will make adjustments.

[jcrod]

Ive said it before and I'll say it again. Manu can't do anything wrong and TP is always doing something to make the Spurs lose.

Get over it people. TP will never consistently have high assits numbers, we've gone over this over and over and over. This offense is not setup that way, Pop has said it.

Bruce can't defend Artest or Bowens. Bonzi is killing the fuck out of us. Manu besides game two when Artest wasn't on him hasn't done shit. No other big man has step it up.

Tell me HOW IS THIS TONYS fault??????????????????????????

[jcrod]

thank u for hitting the nail on the head about that selfish point guard!


:stfu :idiot

[Cant_Be_Faded]

You do realize Manu has done absolutely nothing and been a complete shadow and liability while on the floor for two straight games right?

[timvp]

Where is all the Parker bashing now?

Parker stepped up huge and hit big jumpers down the stretch. He was also the one who got Manu going by feeding him on a couple layups and giving him the ball in isos. He plays his best game since Game 1 and the naysayers are MIA.

Not a surprise.

[timvp]

I forgot to mention how he shut down Bibby and made him look like Brooks Thompson out there.

[Kori Ellis]

Those fourth quarter in your face back-to-back jumpers were nice. Especially since he was so gimpy.

(By the way, you bumped this thread and now someone will come in and start talking about his assist numbers).

[ALVAREZ6]

remember how tony tore up the olympics last summer when those guys wouldn't let him penetrate the lane ?
The last Olympics were in 04.

[????????]

hmm, TP looked alright to me. People just need to settle down and give the guy a chance to actually play the entire playoff run before they start talking shit. Damn, the guy has a couple of off games and is instantly labeled a failure. Just watch and enjoy the games.

[ALVAREZ6]

hmm, TP looked alright to me. People just need to settle down and give the guy a chance to actually play the entire playoff run before they start talking shit. Damn, the guy has a couple of off games and is instantly labeled a failure. Just watch and enjoy the games.
Nice username!

[????????]

Nice username!
It was the best I could think of. Goes to show how much I actually think... :lol

[cherylsteele]

wow - - he had :
4 assists
10 assists
6 assists
1 assist

averaging : 5.25 per game - compared to say andre miller average 7+ or hinrich averaging 8+ per game. both still scoring but they create scoring opportunities for their team - parker is more of a sam cassell type PG - which isnt bad and I am not saying he is the only reason the Spurs are losing - I don't like his game -- never have -- i think he is good -I just dont like him for the spurs - he would be a good in New York or something - just not for the Spurs.

You are comparing TP's stats to other PG's on teams that are losing in the playoffs.

You want Timmy to take all the shots?
That was our problem before Manu, Tony, and others came here, at that time the offfense was bogged down and too predicitable. I like it that Tony score, it gives us that second optin other then Tim and makes the defenses play Tim straight uo more often...along with Manu. I can remeber when people used to say that TP needed to get better at scoring and when he does people find fault in him still.

We are being woefully outrebounded in this series....they are getting way too many 2nd chances points...except games 1 & 5. Bonzi is going beserk many times off of offensive rebounds. TP was a big reason we were still in game 2 & 3.

[timvp]

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20060506/capt.a63781647d0641d5aa2014b6dff2f76c.spurs_kings_ basketball_sca119.jpg


'Sup now, haterz?

[charmie21]

i'm so upset with tony, i really am.. he shot the ball nearly in every posession during the third quarter.. didn't even pass.. went staight to the basket or took a jumpshot.. oh well, i hope he actually pass the ball next time..

[T Park]

:lol

you haters are unreal.


An allstar point guard, and nothing is good enough.

I gaurantee hed say

zeee fuck you.

[George Gervin's Afro]

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20060506/capt.a63781647d0641d5aa2014b6dff2f76c.spurs_kings_ basketball_sca119.jpg


'Sup now, haterz?




I knew we would have this response. Tony parker played like we needed him to in order for us to win. He made great decisions and picked his momnets when to drive the basket. Great game by Tony. My problem with him was the penetrate at all cost or dribble the ball for 18 seconds and then hoist p a 22 footer. I stand by my statements because they were accurate and necessary. If you go back and read my post he did nothing of what I complained about. I am hopeful we see the same thing in the next round.. My fingers are crossed.

[George Gervin's Afro]

:lol

you haters are unreal.


An allstar point guard, and nothing is good enough.

I gaurantee hed say

zeee fuck you.



no he'd probably say that he agrees with the criticism and he needed to be more intelligent with the ball. He needed to make sure he got other guys involved in the game and pick his spots. He knows he cannot penetrate at will and force shots up nor does need to dominate the ball when we have Manu and the boys out on the floor. People were upset that I called Tony out but what was humerous was that no one argued with my complaints rather I was attacked for having the balls to question his decsion making and talking bad about TP.

[tomati 9]

i'm so upset with tony, i really am.. he shot the ball nearly in every posession during the third quarter.. didn't even pass.. went staight to the basket or took a jumpshot.. oh well, i hope he actually pass the ball next time..

Well charmie21 you're lucky not to be a Cavs fan. Look cleveland game and the first quarter of lebron against wizards yesterday and read your message. You're so ridiculous about tony's game. You make me crazy. 31pts, 5reb, 4ass and "oh yes tony wins the game in the third but I prefer when he passes whithout being agressive because I love when we loose a sixth game"
Come on tp is the best spur of the first round. :king LAISSEZ LE TRANQUILLE !!!

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

i'm so upset with tony, i really am.. he shot the ball nearly in every posession during the third quarter.. didn't even pass.. went staight to the basket or took a jumpshot.. oh well, i hope he actually pass the ball next time..

I hope to God you're joking.



Parker Jump Shot: Missed 11:23

Ginobili Jump Shot: Made (5 PTS)
Assist: Horry (4 AST) 10:56
[SAS 48-38]

Ginobili Jump Shot: Missed 10:20

Bowen Jump Shot: Made (9 PTS)
Assist: Ginobili (4 AST) 9:50
[SAS 51-39]

Bowen Jump Shot: Made (12 PTS)
Assist: Parker (3 AST) 9:18
[SAS 54-39]

Horry Jump Shot: Missed 8:30

Duncan Layup Shot: Made (13 PTS)
Assist: Ginobili (5 AST) 7:59
[SAS 57-39]

Ginobili Driving Layup: Made (8 PTS) 7:31
[SAS 59-39]

Parker Jump Shot: Missed 6:57

Barry Jump Shot: Made (7 PTS)
Assist: Parker (4 AST) 6:36
[SAS 62-41]

Bowen Jump Shot: Missed 5:36

Finley Jump Shot: Missed 5:04

Parker Layup Shot: Missed 4:18

Finley Jump Shot: Made (4 PTS) 3:44
[SAS 66-50]

Finley Jump Shot: Missed 3:07

Parker Driving Layup: Made (18 PTS) 2:15
[SAS 69-52]

Parker Jump Hook: Made (22 PTS) 1:18
[SAS 73-55]

Parker Jump Shot: Missed 0:26

Parker Jump Shot: Made (27 PTS) 0:00
[SAS 78-62]



Wow. 3-7 FG shooting in a third quarter in which we buried a team which had kicked our ass throughout the round.

Wow. Why the hell is Tony even shooting to beat the buzzer? It's not like it was the final nail in the coffin of probably one of the worst third quarters for the Kings this season.

Wow. Tony only had two assists in the quarter? Bench his ass.

Mike Tirico even said it as soon as the ball was inbounded on the final play of the quarter. I don't remember the exact line, but it was to the effect of "Don't let Tony's speed kill you right here."

The rest of the NBA can see it, a small faction of Spurs fans can't. Selfish bunch of spoiled brats.

[T Park]

yeah George Gervin, if only we had a better point guard, instead of a 20 point per game, all star point who just got done abusing Mike Bibby.

Buy a damn clue.

[T Park]

Props JBlaze.

excellent post.

[Gin N Juice]

i'm so upset with tony, i really am.. he shot the ball nearly in every posession during the third quarter.. didn't even pass.. went staight to the basket or took a jumpshot.. oh well, i hope he actually pass the ball next time..

http://www.nba.com/games/20060505/SASSAC/recap.html?nav=scoreboardhome

"Pop told me before this game that he wants me to shoot 25 times." Parker said. "I only shot 20, so I was five behind. When I make my outside shot, I feel like I can penetrate anytime I want. That's the key for me is to try to make that (outside) shot consistently and in the third quarter, it just felt great."

He did as he was told.

[George Gervin's Afro]

yeah George Gervin, if only we had a better point guard, instead of a 20 point per game, all star point who just got done abusing Mike Bibby.

Buy a damn clue.


well i assumed we all would not be satisfied unless we repeated but i guess some of us are content with getting out of the first round. again i notice you have not disputed my assertations rather you respond "well we have reg. season all star". so now i am supposed to praise to the alter of parker after he outplayed bibby..Tony played the way we need him to in order for us to be successful. We still don't need him dribbling for 3/4 of the shot clock and forcing up up bad shot after bad shot.. He did not and we dominated. (notice when he does not do those things we win handily) agreed?

[charmie21]

i didn't know that.. yes, i am thankful that we ended this series and tony really did a great job.. i am just wondering where did the teamwork go..? or maybe i just wasn't watching the game closely.. and what i said earlier was just my opinion.. i'm sorry if i offended you guys in anyway..

[SequSpur]

Tony Parker is the best player on the Spurs. He will be for the next 10 years. Imagine that.

[ducks]

charmie21 pop told tp to shoot 25 shots
got a problem with that bitch about pop not tp

[ducks]

see tony interview

[exstatic]

Charmie, you didn't see teamwork? Did you have the wrong channel on? Did it occur to you that Pop knew the Kings would be focused on Manu and Tim, and that's why he put in the Tony gameplan?

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

I must agree with the concensus here and say that Tony's game today was almost beyond reproach. He did exactly what he was told, better then he ever has in the playoffs before. This continues to be the year he proves himself to be a bona fide star player, and I think he will continue to do so as the playoffs roll on.

[SuperManu!!!]

Hey, i dont like TP very much and he does sometimes keep the ball to much or goes for the rim when there is an open player, but you have to recognize that last night was he was our best offense option. The spurs made the same play again and again and again and it worked! So props to parker for being such a good player and keep him going. The only one that can tell the players what to do is Pop, who calls for the plays, so if Pop is saying "Parker shoot" he must shoot

[2centsworth]

Anyone who still has a problem with TPs game after what he's shown this entire year has got to be the dumbest basketball fan ever.

[Spurologist]

well i assumed we all would not be satisfied unless we repeated but i guess some of us are content with getting out of the first round. again i notice you have not disputed my assertations rather you respond "well we have reg. season all star". so now i am supposed to praise to the alter of parker after he outplayed bibby..Tony played the way we need him to in order for us to be successful. We still don't need him dribbling for 3/4 of the shot clock and forcing up up bad shot after bad shot.. He did not and we dominated. (notice when he does not do those things we win handily) agreed?

Get it through your head that tp is playing out of his mind right now. He has the jumper working = unguardable. Adleman didn't adjust by sending double teams and he got his ass burned. You realize they say you have to contain his speed and all that but it never happens because he's still not getting respect. If he's hot STFU and let him shoot. The same goes for TD and manu. Pop usually gets on him if he's getting out of hand but I don't remember that happening.

I am gettting the feeling that if manu went off like that, he'd be glorified and people would be saying "manu's back." Fuck everybody takes bad shots from time to time. Manu has done it on road twice.

Getting out of the first round is nice but it could be tp's jumper that's the xfactor the rest of the way. You should start praising him because he will around for a while and he game is getting scary. 20+ pts. a game, 51% from the field and 89% from the ft line. You can't argue against that.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Damn straight, Spurologist.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Get it through your head that tp is playing out of his mind right now. He has the jumper working = unguardable. Adleman didn't adjust by sending double teams and he got his ass burned. You realize they say you have to contain his speed and all that but it never happens because he's still not getting respect. If he's hot STFU and let him shoot. The same goes for TD and manu. Pop usually gets on him if he's getting out of hand but I don't remember that happening.

I am gettting the feeling that if manu went off like that, he'd be glorified and people would be saying "manu's back." Fuck everybody takes bad shots from time to time. Manu has done it on road twice.

Getting out of the first round is nice but it could be tp's jumper that's the xfactor the rest of the way. You should start praising him because he will around for a while and he game is getting scary. 20+ pts. a game, 51% from the field and 89% from the ft line. You can't argue against that.



I agree he has played well the last couple of games and I PRAY :worthy: he plays the same way he has the last 2 games. The reason why I call no one else out is because TP has the ball 75% of the time or more. His play with the ball affects the spurs because of this fact. When the team defense adjusts to Tony and takes away his drive he needs to not force the ball or dribble the shot clock down to the point we don't get good shot. It's very simple. I am glad Tony is not playing the way he has in the past but I will hold my judgement until I see him adjust his game against a better defensive team. He tore up Bibby the last 2 games because he did not force things nor did he handle the ball as much as he does when the defense is geared to him. It's amazing how I have valid criticism of one of our players so others don't agree tell me to stfu... Since when did this board become homerville?

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

I agree he has played well the last couple of games and I PRAY :worthy: he plays the same way he has the last 2 games. The reason why I call no one else out is because TP has the ball 75% of the time or more. His play with the ball affects the spurs because of this fact. When the team defense adjusts to Tony and takes away his drive he needs to not force the ball or dribble the shot clock down to the point we don't get good shot. It's very simple. I am glad Tony is not playing the way he has in the past but I will hold my judgement until I see him adjust his game against a better defensive team. He tore up Bibby the last 2 games because he did not force things nor did he handle the ball as much as he does when the defense is geared to him. It's amazing how I have valid criticism of one of our players so others don't agree tell me to stfu... Since when did this board become homerville?
What do you expect? They're only coming at you now because Tony's had a good game. If he had a bad game a large percentage of them would skew towards your side....a lot of people have the fairweather mentality. So when he's great. "HOW DARE YOU!?" when he sucks "TRADE THE LITTLE SHIT! NOW!"

and you're right about the defensive schemes, pretty valid points, but I don't know why you're calling out Tony just now...some people should cut him some slack, Tony does whatever Pop tells him. That shows a lot of heart.

It also shows he's not quite matured enough to cut the decisions, when his JUMPER sucks asss, DON't Take 20 shots still, find your teammates, and don't ignore them even if you're told to...that's one problem with Tony's maturity. He means well for the team, but he tries to do too much at times. There are plenty of times when he's ignored a higher percentage shot from his teammate and just forced his the offense through himself...but whatever, he's done more good than bad, so Tony's the kind of player you have to be patient with, he can only get better.

[Spurminator]

Whatever Tony is doing, it resulted in the Spurs having the best team FG% in the first round of the Playoffs. And keep in mind there were teams playing the Suns and the Wizards in the first round.

[1Parker1]

The reason why I call no one else out is because TP has the ball 75% of the time or more

That's because he's the POINT GUARD.

[Beer is Good]

Fuck all of you people. Who gives a shit how they win. They win. Period. Three Championships - including two in three years - and you still bitch like little kids. TP is the present and future of the PG position for the Spurs, and he is getting better game by game. Get your heads out of your collective asses and enjoy the show.

And all this shit about why didnt manu, tim, tony do this or that bullshit is fucking rediculous. I dont give a shit if beno scores 45, as long as we win. Just win. Do whatever the fuck you have to do to win.

If you are looking for the perfect basketball team then you are going to be miserable and looking forever because it doesnt exist. This is becoming as close as it gets, enjoy it.

[Borosai]

I think someone needs to hit up Artest for his meds now that he doesn't really need them anymore.

[Beer is Good]

My meds work fine. I dont need some psycho giant's meds. Mind your own fucking business.

[Spurologist]

We still don't need him dribbling for 3/4 of the shot clock and forcing up up bad shot after bad shot.. He did not and we dominated. (notice when he does not do those things we win handily) agreed?


He tore up Bibby the last 2 games because he did not force things nor did he handle the ball as much as he does when the defense is geared to him.

Please stop contradicting yourself. You're making yourself look bad.

[veronicamae]

I love Tony! :)

But, with regularity, he drives the lane and causes a turnover when he should have passed it out to an open guy. He's a little too selfish, too often.

[ducks]

yeah no other players in the nba have turnovers
nash had 7 one game
kobe had 7 one game
manu had 7 I believe one game
these were all in the playoffs
but yep and no other player in the nba gets called for charging once in awhile in the playoffs

yep he always causes a turnover
he sucks

who do you want to replace him?

[veronicamae]

yeah no other players in the nba have turnovers
nash had 7 one game
kobe had 7 one game
manu had 7 I believe one game
these were all in the playoffs
but yep and no other player in the nba gets called for charging once in awhile in the playoffs

yep he always causes a turnover
he sucks

who do you want to replace him?

There are times to drive, and there are times to pass it out. I didn't say that no one else causes turnovers. Please, try accepting some constructive criticism. Tony is my favorite Spur, I love him to death! But I can also see when he is being a too selfish with the ball and sometimes it hurts the team.

[iamaseb]

Well, maybe tony would not be that good in mid range shot if he didn't shot that much during the season.

Same for the playoff... It'is because he shots 20 shots last game that he is good the next game...


You can say that you are not a Parker fan, or that you think he should be better... But if you ask him to play the way he did last 2 games, you have to realize that you are expecting tony to be the best spurs player, if not the best player in the league.

So, maybe it's a compliment...

[Please_dont_ban_me]

As a former critic...I have no problems with TP right now.

He has played through injuries. He has hit some jumpshots. He has gotten in the lane. He's fine by me.

[MannyIsGod]

Tony Parker is a top 3 point guard int he leauge. Anyone who doesn't realize just how incredible this season has been for him definetly has their head firmly implated in their ass.

Thats the end of the story.

[MannyIsGod]

Oh, and people that complain that he doesn't pass enough, are critical of his assist numbers or think he has the ball too much are just too ignorant to pick up on the style of basketball the Spurs play and how their offense works.

I'm not even going to read through this thread because I know it is just page after page of retarded comments by people ignorant on just how basketball is supposed to be played.

[Texas_Ranger]

I think we need to give more ball to Tim, he shots just 8 balls per game, but Parker shots the ball 20 times. Parker needs to have more assists and not more shots. And it`s true that he`s got 80% ball in his hands. OK his shot is 50%, but that 50% shot always comes from inside. In some games he won`t get inside so easy and then he will not know what to do, or he will try to make shots from outside, in which he is not so good. His shot will be 20% and SAS will lose games.

[SpursWoman]

Anyone who still has a problem with TPs game after what he's shown this entire year has got to be the dumbest basketball fan ever.

:tu

[George Gervin's Afro]

Please stop contradicting yourself. You're making yourself look bad.



Right. One post I say he causes trouble when he dominates the ball and forces the game. The other I said he did not dominate the game and we played great as a team. I noticed out of all my posts you find 2 sentences and then say' well you contradicted yourself". That show the weakness of your argument. What's funny is that there alot of parker fans who do agree with me . My problem with Tony's play is very simple and I will break it down for slower people such as yourself. WHEN DEFENSES ARE GEARED TO STOP HIM AND TONY IS SELFISH WITH BALL IT HURTS OUR TEAM. It's very simple hopefully even for you. When tony plays like he did the final 2 games of the SAC series we are much better team. I don't lose a second of sleep when keyboard experts such as yourself call people out or contradicting themselves. My point is sound and many people agree with me. I really want you to defend parker when he continually tries to drive a lane over and ver again and not get one good shot off or want him to dribbled the ball for 18 or 19 seconds of the shot clock to then be forced to force another shot.. please defend this. I'm done posting on this for now because I musr decide if I am going to wear my AJ spurs jersey or not because we were 0-3 in the finals last year when I did.

[RobinsontoDuncan]

Uh...Tony totally dominated the ball game 6 and we won in blow-out fashion.

[Kori Ellis]

I think we need to give more ball to Tim, he shots just 8 balls per game, but Parker shots the ball 20 times. Parker needs to have more assists and not more shots. And it`s true that he`s got 80% ball in his hands. OK his shot is 50%, but that 50% shot always comes from inside. In some games he won`t get inside so easy and then he will not know what to do, or he will try to make shots from outside, in which he is not so good. His shot will be 20% and SAS will lose games.


Pop has asked Tony to shoot at least 20 times.

Since the All-Star break, Tony has hit 46% of his jumpers outside 16 feet.

Sometimes it seems people haven't watched any Spurs games lately and are thinking about last season.

[MannyIsGod]

Pop has asked Tony to shoot at least 20 times.

Which is why I don't understand how people can be so damn stupid. The man is doing what he's supposed to and he's doing it well and people who have no clue still want to say that he's doing something wrong.

How are so many people flat out retarded?

[Kori Ellis]

I really want you to defend parker when he continually tries to drive a lane over and ver again and not get one good shot off or want him to dribbled the ball for 18 or 19 seconds of the shot clock to then be forced to force another shot.

When does this happen?

You always post like this is how it regularly is. It isn't.

[MI21]

Most Spurs fans are idiots.

[A-Train]

This thread is pure entertainment.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Uh...Tony totally dominated the ball game 6 and we won in blow-out fashion.


uh did continually force shots ?..uh did he dribble the shot clock down numerous times to then force a shot up?.. no so i am right when he does not do that we win. very simple.

oh and this crap "well pop told him to shoot 20 times"..I am going to assume Pop also to take these shots with the floe of the game and not play micheal jordan..

so now since I don't like the way our Point Guard plays at times I am stupid, a hypocrite, or dumb... coming from some of you i must ask when is the last time you looked in the mirror.. I am not a homer nor will I ever be one.. we have weaknesses believe it or not..

[Sii]

if you cant realize Parker totally outplayed a very good PG in Mike Bibby against the Kings, that he overall had a good series, or that Parker played fucking great in game 6 and helped carry them to victory when he took over in the 3rd you are a fucking moron.

the Tony Parker bashers are an embarrassment to Spurs fans

[NCaliSpurs]

uh did continually force shots ?..uh did he dribble the shot clock down numerous times to then force a shot up?.. no so i am right when he does not do that we win. very simple.


As Kori said, Tony doesn't do these things regularly. He doesn't typically dribble our clock down nor continually force shots. Overall, he is making really great decisions as to when to go for his own shot, when to let the ball go through Manu or Timmy, and when to penetrate and kick. Sure, he has a bad possession or two every game, but show me a point guard that doesn't and I will show you 29 who do.

[Spurologist]

Right. One post I say he causes trouble when he dominates the ball and forces the game. The other I said he did not dominate the game and we played great as a team. I noticed out of all my posts you find 2 sentences and then say' well you contradicted yourself". That show the weakness of your argument. What's funny is that there alot of parker fans who do agree with me . My problem with Tony's play is very simple and I will break it down for slower people such as yourself. WHEN DEFENSES ARE GEARED TO STOP HIM AND TONY IS SELFISH WITH BALL IT HURTS OUR TEAM. It's very simple hopefully even for you. When tony plays like he did the final 2 games of the SAC series we are much better team. I don't lose a second of sleep when keyboard experts such as yourself call people out or contradicting themselves. My point is sound and many people agree with me. I really want you to defend parker when he continually tries to drive a lane over and ver again and not get one good shot off or want him to dribbled the ball for 18 or 19 seconds of the shot clock to then be forced to force another shot.. please defend this. I'm done posting on this for now because I musr decide if I am going to wear my AJ spurs jersey or not because we were 0-3 in the finals last year when I did.


Pop has asked Tony to shoot at least 20 times.

Since the All-Star break, Tony has hit 46% of his jumpers outside 16 feet.

Sometimes it seems people haven't watched any Spurs games lately and are thinking about last season.

Kori makes great fucking points that should automatically end a thread. And yet the thread is like a giant douche. no matter how much you flush, it still manages to rise to the top

[TDMVPDPOY]

when his shotz are not on, he continues to shoot :(

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