even if we beat kings

[drazo]

we wont be able to beat dallas...if spurs win 2nite they gon beat kings in arco arena

[Phenomanul]

you mean "when"...

[MadDog73]

we wont be able to beat dallas...

Uh, OK. Whatever.

[thispego]

what a douche

[ducks]

why
kings>mavs

[ducks]

spurs match up better against dallas then kings
kings give spurs matchup problems

[Mixability]

drazo's post count = drazo's IQ

[mabber]

spurs match up better against dallas then kings
kings give spurs matchup problems

Bonzi Wells gives the Mavs fits as well. They have never been able to stop him (even when he was in Portland).

The Spurs will have a really tough time beating Dallas unless they figure out a better way to guard both Dirk & Howard. It became apparent that Duncan can't guard Howard and that is what the Spurs want to do to try to control Dirk with the others.

[ducks]

horry guards howard
horry did not play when howard went off
he was not even at the game

[JamStone]

Sorry Spurs fans. Sorry Pistons fans. Sorry Mavs fans.

Stern wants Kobe v. LeBron or Kobe v. Shaq in the finals.

Most likely, Shaq.

LA Lakers v. Miami Heat in the 2006 NBA Finals.

[Jimcs50]

I think the Spurs have a better chance to beat Dallas than they do the Kings, to be perfectly honest.

[JamStone]

uh, miami is going to be eliminated in the first round


uh, sarcasm.

[Oh, Gee!!]

I think the Kings pose the most serious challenge in the West. If we beat the Kings, I'm not scared of anybody else except Detroit.

[SpursWoman]

uh, miami is going to be eliminated in the first round


There should be some kind of tongue-in-cheek emoticon ... although I'm sure it'd be somewhat obscene. :wow :lol

[nkdlunch]

I think the Spurs have a better chance to beat Dallas than they do the Kings, to be perfectly honest.

You'll change your mind when we in the middle of round 2

and Miami IS going down in 1st or 2nd round

[Trifecta]

Its about matchups -- we matchup better with Dallas at this point.

The Spurs would beat the Mavs.

[BigD1]

we wont be able to beat dallas...if spurs win 2nite they gon beat kings in arco arena
I don't know. As a Mavs fan I would like to agree with you...but when SA gets past Sacto, they will execute a more concerted effort on Dallas. I think game 3 was a lack of respect for Sacto. SA knows how good Dallas is and will not let up. I think that will be the difference for SA vs. Dallas. That being said, I think that series goes to 7 where anything can happen, but unforunately SA will have HCA.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

There should be some kind of tongue-in-cheek emoticon ... although I'm sure it'd be somewhat obscene. :wow :lol

Obscene?

http://cigare1.fatcow.com/picture_hosting/web_pages/veedee/snarf/applause_bj.gif

[nkdlunch]

The Spurs would beat the Mavs.

that's what ppl were saying at begining of 1st round. That we would sweep the Kings :rolleyes.

I kept trying to remind ppl. this 1st round is gonna go 6 games. and the Dallas one is gonna be even tougher, 7 games.

[SpursWoman]

Obscene?

http://cigare1.fatcow.com/picture_hosting/web_pages/veedee/snarf/applause_bj.gif

Perfect! :lmao

[Trifecta]

that's what ppl were saying at begining of 1st round. That we would sweep the Kings :rolleyes.

I kept trying to remind ppl. this 1st round is gonna go 6 games. and the Dallas one is gonna be even tougher, 7 games.

No doubt it owuld be a tough series against Dallas.

I had a "healthy" respect for the Kings coming into this series, as I said the Spurs would win in 6 game -- the Kings are tough!

The Spurs and Dallas know each other quite well so I would not worry about a letdown in that series.

[nkdlunch]

No doubt it owuld be a tough series against Dallas.

I had a "healthy" respect for the Kings coming into this series, as I said the Spurs would win in 6 game -- the Kings are tough!

The Spurs and Dallas know each other quite well so I would not worry about a letdown in that series.


what letdown???? it would be a letdown if we lose game 5, which we won't. All Kings did was take care of home court like every decent self respecting team should. And we still WOULD be 3-1 if not for that freak play in game 3. Ppl meed to stop panicking, this is going as Pop planned all along.

[BigD1]

Its about matchups -- we matchup better with Dallas at this point.

The Spurs would beat the Mavs.I wouldn't say SA matches up better with Dallas. Why? because SA is struggling with Sacramento? In game 2, Sacramento didn't even have Artest and they still nearly won that game. It might have to do more with Duncan's foot and age(30) and Ginobili's slight decline in productivity. Honestly, I just don't think Duncan is the same Duncan he was last year. Rahim is holding more than his own against him right now. When Dirk has faced up Duncan this year, he simply runs around him for the easy j from the elbow or layup...or draws the foul. I've seen Murphy(GS) take Duncan to the hole with relative ease, same with Kaman. I'm telling you, Duncan is not the dominant defensive force in the paint he once was even a year ago. If Kieth Van Stupid hadn't thrown the ball out of bounds in that 2nd game in Dallas with under a min. left and the lead, Dallas wins that game...and ur looking at a 3-1 reg. season success for the Mavs. However, Sacto is obviously no 8th seed team. They are clearly a top 4 team in the west and Dallas was fortunate to get Memphis in the 1st round. But to say that Sacto is a better matchup than Dallas is a bit premature IMO. Dallas is ballin' right now, no doubt.

[KingsFanWithoutName]

And we still WOULD be 3-1 if not for that freak play in game 3.What about the "freak bounce" in game 2. Very selective memory you have.

[trueD]

...All Kings did was take care of home court like every decent self respecting team should. True, but other teams have been able to take care of their opponents on the other guys court...

Pacers vs. Nets Game 1
Wiz vs. Cavs Game 1
Lakers vs. Suns Game 2
Cavs vs. Wiz Game 3
Mavs vs. Griz Game 3
Clips vs. Nugs Game 4
Nets vs. Pacers Game 3
Mavs vs. Griz Game 4
Pistons vs. Bucks Game 4.

I'd say Kings are at LEAST as self-respecting as the Wiz, Pacers, Lakers and Nets.

Tip off in 6-1/2 hours.

[cheguevara]

True, but other teams have been able to take care of their opponents on the other guys court...

Pacers vs. Nets Game 1
Wiz vs. Cavs Game 1
Lakers vs. Suns Game 2
Cavs vs. Wiz Game 3
Mavs vs. Griz Game 3
Clips vs. Nugs Game 4
Nets vs. Pacers Game 3
Mavs vs. Griz Game 4
Pistons vs. Bucks Game 4.

I'd say Kings are at LEAST as self-respecting as the Wiz, Pacers, Lakers and Nets.

Tip off in 6-1/2 hours.


decent self respecting team

[trueD]

decent self respecting teamRight, DECENT.

[JamStone]

that's what ppl were saying at begining of 1st round. That we would sweep the Kings :rolleyes.

I kept trying to remind ppl. this 1st round is gonna go 6 games. and the Dallas one is gonna be even tougher, 7 games.


http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38869


Pistons in 4
Heat in 6
Nets in 4
Wiz in 7

Spurs in 5
Suns in 5
Nuggs in 7
Mavs in 5

[ALVAREZ6]

The Mavs will be much easier than Kings in a 7 game series.


I'm not saying that we're gonna sweap the Mavs, but they really aren't physical or as hard as a team to beat right now.

[KingsFanWithoutName]

:lol

Quote:
Originally Posted by nkdlunch




Pistons in 4
Heat in 6
Nets in 4
Wiz in 7

Spurs in 5
Suns in 5
Nuggs in 7
Mavs in 5

[mavsfan1000]

The Mavs will be much easier than Kings in a 7 game series.


I'm not saying that we're gonna sweap the Mavs, but they really aren't physical or as hard as a team to beat right now.
The spurs will have no answer for Howard if they decide to put Bowen on Dirk. Terry would light up Parker also and Dallas's big men would shut down Duncan. Something the kings can't do. The mavs with Josh Howard against San Antonio, Miami, Detroit, and Phoenx are 5-2 and without him are 0-3.

[Texas_Ranger]

The Mavs will be much easier than Kings in a 7 game series.


I'm not saying that we're gonna sweap the Mavs, but they really aren't physical or as hard as a team to beat right now.


I agree with you.

[thewatcher]

dallas is a easier match up for the spurs than the kings.

[mavsfan1000]

dallas is a easier match up for the spurs than the kings.
Read post 32. The spurs don't have an answer for Josh Howard. Very similar to Bonzi Wells.

[thewatcher]

Read post 32. The spurs don't have an answer for Josh Howard. Very similar to Bonzi Wells.
the answer for howard is manu and bowen.

[ducks]

Read post 32. The spurs don't have an answer for Josh Howard. Very similar to Bonzi Wells.
horry=howard stopper :elephant :elephant :elephant :elephant

[mavsfan1000]

Howard has abused Manu every game this year he has been in.

[leemajors]

The spurs will have no answer for Howard if they decide to put Bowen on Dirk. Terry would light up Parker also and Dallas's big men would shut down Duncan. Something the kings can't do. The mavs with Josh Howard against San Antonio, Miami, Detroit, and Phoenx are 5-2 and without him are 0-3.

duncan could just as easily foul both diop and damp out a couple games. parker can light up terry just as easily as terry could light him up. spurs need to get past sac first.

[ducks]

that is why when horry did not play against mavs last game they played it hurt
and sa was in it to the last minute to

[mavsfan1000]

Horry is not a good defender. Bonzi and Howard are similar in how they play. Howard is bigger and Bonzi is stronger but they both attack the interior.

[ducks]

horry stopped bonzi when he guarded him last game

which pop should have done more

[mavsfan1000]

Well if you have to go deep in your bench to guard somebody than you are in trouble. Anyways all I saw is Horry being forced to foul Bonzi because he couldn't handle the speed and power of Bonzi.

[thewatcher]

bonzi>>howard

[mavsfan1000]

bonzi>>howard
Mavs>Kings and Howard>Bonzi though Bonzi is playing out of his mind right now.

[Vinnie_Johnson]

what a douche

:lol perfect

[Texas_Ranger]

bonzi>>howard

I ve take a look on NBA com and their team effect is the same, so I think that:Bonzi = Howard
:rolleyes

[nkdlunch]

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38869


:lol

Quote:
Originally Posted by nkdlunch




Pistons in 4
Heat in 6
Nets in 4
Wiz in 7

Spurs in 5
Suns in 5
Nuggs in 7
Mavs in 5

HEY HEY that prediction might have been premature.

But I was refering to my post and post-posts after GAME 1!!!!!!!!!!! :



I don't know what these Spurs fans been drinkin. :drunk
This is gonna be the toughest series of the whole playoffs and even the toughest finals we ever had.

Spurs in 6.

that was posted in Sequ's now infamous thread:

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17718&page=1&pp=26



Spurs in Four:makemyday

:lol

[thewatcher]

Mavs>Kings and Howard>Bonzi though Bonzi is playing out of his mind right now.

mavs>king but the spurs match better with dallas

howard is easier to stop for bowen and manu than bonzi, because he does not has the low post game that bonzi has.

[mavsfan1000]

Bowen will be guarding Dirk and who knows if that will work. If it doesn't than both Dirk and Howard will be going off on the Spurs. The mavs and Kings play very similar on offense. The mavs are clearly better on defense.

[ALVAREZ6]

bonzi>>howard
Especially since Bonzi gets like 50 offensive boards per game.

[ducks]

ron artest is the best defender between dallas and kings

manu has gone off agains mavs
he has not against kings with artest

[mavsfan1000]

Diop and Dampier>>>Brad Miller on defense. Duncan won't be double teamed.

[ducks]

http://spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/cheer.gif

[thewatcher]

Bowen will be guarding Dirk and who knows if that will work. If it doesn't than both Dirk and Howard will be going off on the Spurs. The mavs and Kings play very similar on offense. The mavs are clearly better on defense.
clearly better on defense???...i dont think so

[Mavtek]

Damn what a dumbass topic!

If you guys lose tonight this entire conversation is null and void.......

And to think you aren't going to have the same problem with the Mavs that you are with the Kings is absurd. True you haven't had a to play a game with a healthy Griffin and Stack in the lineup, but common didn't you at least watch one damn game against the Grizzlies? Griffin, Howard, and Stack were doing the same damn thing to the Grizz that the Kings are doing to you and the Grizz are younger and more athletic!

Griff is averaging 5 boards on %56 shooting in the playoffs, 3 offensive 2 defensive. In 25 minutes of playing time
Howard is averaging 6.3 rebounds this season 2.1 offensive, his numbers would be even better in the PO's if not for foul trouble in the last couple of games.
Oh and to say he's not a low post threat is ludicrous, he's averaging nearly 16 points per game %60 of those points come from the paint.

Lets not forget that these swingmen are getting huge offensive rebound numbers on one of the best shooting teams in the league. Let us also not forget that the Spurs don't have one person on thier front court who comes close to either Howard or Griffin in rebounding..............

The fact remains that the Mavs match up better with the Kings, that's why we beat them down.

[BigD1]

Diop and Dampier>>>Brad Miller on defense. Duncan won't be double teamed.I think that's the key for Dallas. They no longer have to double team Duncan in the post. Between Damp and Diop, Dallas has size, strength,length and 12 fouls to give. Damp and Diop have done a pretty good job of containing Duncan in the post all season long. I don't see that changing in the playoffs. With that being said, Dallas can guard the perimeter much better. When teams have to double team Duncan, that's when they have difficulty beating the Spurs. Look at what Sacto is doing right now. They're basically playing Duncan one on one. Dallas will do the same.

[thewatcher]

Oh and to say he's not a low post threat is ludicrous, he's averaging nearly 16 points per game %60 of those points come from the paint.
when i said that he has not low post game, i was refering to the pf like game that bonzi has.

[leemajors]

Mavtek, howard is not a back to the basket low post threat like bonzi is. he is a better slasher, but doesn't operate almost solely in the post.

[mavsfan1000]

Mavtek, howard is not a back to the basket low post threat like bonzi is. he is a better slasher, but doesn't operate almost solely in the post.
Is there a difference?

[Vashner]

To Original poster: ....
:stfu
:nutkick:

[Mavtek]

Mavtek, howard is not a back to the basket low post threat like bonzi is. he is a better slasher, but doesn't operate almost solely in the post.

Yes I agree, I guess that's what he meant by PF type player, but one could argue that some power forwards no longer play that way IE Dirk Nowitzki, Chris Bosh, Amare Stoudamire. Some could argue that being able to drive to the hole and create are more important than a traditional back to the basket player.

Funny little guys that are good with their backs to the basket:
Chauncey Billups
Sam Cassel
Dwayne Wade

So strange these guys developed a low post game, how often can they realistically use it?

[2Cleva]

I know I'm rooting for Dallas over SA because the Spurs are the better team and LA would wax Dallas for all they are worth and head to the Finals.

[mavsfan1000]

I know I'm rooting for Dallas over SA because the Spurs are the better team and LA would wax Dallas for all they are worth and head to the Finals.
The lakers will get beat by their own city. :lol

[Mavtek]

I know I'm rooting for Dallas over SA because the Spurs are the better team and LA would wax Dallas for all they are worth and head to the Finals.


HA HA HA so let me get this straight if Dallas beats SA in a 7 game series, if they even play them, they still aren't the better team? That's freaking great!!!

Oh and the Lakers would wax us? That's great too!! You guys need to worry about Phoenix, I know you won't believe me when I tell you this, but that series is far from fucking over. Eliminating Marion and Nash will not be easy, trust me LA/Phoenix is going 7. Oh and prepare to get slaughtered tonight.

[KingsFanWithoutName]

The lakers will get beat by their own city. :lol :lol

[2Cleva]

HA HA HA so let me get this straight if Dallas beats SA in a 7 game series, if they even play them, they still aren't the better team? That's freaking great!!!

Oh and the Lakers would wax us? That's great too!! You guys need to worry about Phoenix, I know you won't believe me when I tell you this, but that series is far from fucking over. Eliminating Marion and Nash will not be easy, trust me LA/Phoenix is going 7. Oh and prepare to get slaughtered tonight.


Right... Any Mavericks fan can just hush when talking about the Lakers.

1 - Check the record of the Mavericks in LA. No matter if Shaq is there or not, LA owns them.

2 - 62-61. 'Nuf said.

[Mavtek]

Right... Any Mavericks fan can just hush when talking about the Lakers.

1 - Check the record of the Mavericks in LA. No matter if Shaq is there or not, LA owns them.

2 - 62-61. 'Nuf said.


Dude you are in the wrong place.....................

The Lakers sure as hell won't get the past the 2nd round, cheer on the Clipps.
Oh and when the Mavs want to stop Kobe, they stop Kobe.........

http://www.nba.com/games/20060207/LALDAL/boxscore.html

5 of 22 Thanks for playing......

[thewatcher]

Is there a difference?
yes.....he is easier to defend for any of ours SGs/SFs.

[mavsfan1000]

yes.....he is easier to defend for any of ours SGs/SFs.
Explain?

[thewatcher]

i already did it. ours sgs/sfs are practically defending a pf (bonzi).

[mavsfan1000]

Bonzi is not big enough to be a power forward. Just crowd the paint and he will struggle.

[clubalien]

in the dallas series we will be going up againts a better coach in AJ remember when we have faced better coaches like phil jackson we have lost some games

[thewatcher]

""Bonzi is not big enough to be a power forward""

yes but, he to good and effective playing like a pf against ours sgs/sfs.

[Mavtek]

2Cleva told your ass your team is getting smoked.

[nkdlunch]

Bonzi is not big enough to be a power forward. Just crowd the paint and he will struggle.

and leave all the Kings 3pt shooters open??? u a beginner