Why is NVE ahead of Beno in the rotation?

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

I simply cannot understand why he is playing. He's slow as sheeit, doesn't play D, I can't see how he contributes.

Why not play Barry or Beno, or both, behind TP?

[ALVAREZ6]

Because Pop is a fuck who prefers chodes like NVE who ruin chemistry, take bad shots, turnovers, and no defense.

[ashbeeigh]

The same reasons he's been ahead of him the whole season. Experience, "consistence", blah blah blah. But especially the play-off experience.

[Nero]

Eh, Van Exel's strong point is NOT turning the ball over. This is why Pop got him in the offseas. Do you remember when we couldn't even bring the ball up against Detroit? That's why we got him, and Pop doesn't want him to get rusty meanwhile.

[Tek_XX]

becuase NVE didn't tell pop he couldn't play

[Borosai]

I agree...I do feel that NVE will have his moments in these playoffs, but all he should be doing is shooting when hot. Not trying to break down the defense and creating his own shot. Beno is a better option for backup PG with NVE coming in as a small 2 for 3's.

[picnroll]

NVE's strong point is dribbling the shot clock out so the Spurs have to jack up a horribloe shot or better yet have the shot clock expire. Don't tell TimVP or T Park this. They're still watching tapes of NVE when he played for the Mavs and haven't figured out he sucks yet.

[aaronstampler]

At this point, NVE's strong point is putting on the uniform without injuring himself further. He is D-U-N done. I really don't expect Pop to play him once we're in the latter rounds. He'll figure it out eventually. We're not gonna have a 10 man rotation forever.

[ALVAREZ6]

NVE's strong point is dribbling the shot clock out so the Spurs have to jack up a horribloe shot or better yet have the shot clock expire. Don't tell TimVP or T Park this. They're still watching tapes of NVE when he played for the Mavs and haven't figured out he sucks yet.
:tu


He is the Spurs' Kirk Hinrich, only Hinrich makes more shots.

[NASpurs]

becuase NVE didn't tell pop he couldn't playExactly. Ever since Beno said he couldn't play because of that ankle tweak or whatever it was, Pop hasn't played him meaningful minutes since then.

[SilverPlayer]

The dude has had a great career, I say let him feel like he got to contribute to a championship on the way out. Besides Beno hasn't been able to buy a bucket this post season yet, Nick spreads the floor better, and will heat up at least once each series.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

That sucks.

I remember Beno's gaffe last year, but he's a yr older and a mucher better player now. He should be playing.

Pop is mostly coaching well, but he has a blind spot on this.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Can't agree that u play him just so he can contribute to a championship." It's going to be nasty to the end, no time for sentiment this yr.

[SequSpur]

Because the Spurs have bigger goals like winning a series rather than playing shitty players.

Onto the next round!

[Kori Ellis]

If Beno wouldn't have choked so badly in the end of the Houston game (last game of the season) they might have risked using him again. But since that was a no pressure game and he again folded in crunch time, I guess they think it's not worth the risk.

[T Park]

Van Exel helped seal game 1.

Guess you fuckers have short memories.

Spurs only had a 6 or 8 point lead when he came in and bombed the fuck out of the Kings.

He prob wont play much against Dallas due to matchups, but he may.

If he does, he will make that _Allas d pay.

[Dre_7]

If Beno wouldn't have choked so badly in the end of the Houston game (last game of the season) they might have risked using him again. But since that was a no pressure game and he again folded in crunch time, I guess they think it's not worth the risk.
:tu

[Rynospursfan]

NVE can dribble agaist presure D. Beno cannot. As long as Nick doesn't shoot the ball I'm fine with him being on the floor as long as there are other offensive producers out there for him to pass too. Sure he might have to take the occational wide open shot to keep the D honest. But I don't want to see him chucking up any runners and especialy none of those transition 3's.

[TDMVPDPOY]

tim told pop to not play beno, cose tim likes his seat warmed-up by beno :D:D

beno is the automatic victory cigar

[picnroll]

If Beno wouldn't have choked so badly in the end of the Houston game (last game of the season) they might have risked using him again. But since that was a no pressure game and he again folded in crunch time, I guess they think it's not worth the risk.
Well now that Nick has stunk it up too maybe it's time to give Beno another shot or just go with a Barry, Manu backup solution. Or just keep giving Nick his pass to suck and his 49 seconds to stink as a place holder in the first half and start to blow 20 point leads in the second until you bring back a crippled Parker.

T Park keep living on that game one memory where even a blind Spur was stroking it and Spurs were on the way to a blowout. Looks like that might be your excuse for NVE for the rest of the playoffs

[picnroll]

NVE can dribble agaist presure D. In fact Nick can even dribble the ball, going nowhere until the shot clock runs out. That's how talented he is.

[SpurYank]

I'm emailing Pop ASAP to check with you experts before doing anything with NVE and Beno.

[Kamnik]

if beno doesnt (or deserver) play then Van Exel should sit also and minutes should be given to Barry

NVE doesnt deserver to play 1 minute imo

he WAS a good play; he isnt any more

look at his first roundn series stats and stop refering to 1 game only

[Kamnik]

NBA Playoffs
REBOUNDS PER GAME
G GS MPG FGM-A FG% 3PM-A 3P% FTM-A FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
First Round
5 0 12.4 3-20 .150 3-8 .375 9-9 1.000 .2 1.2 1.4 1.6 .40 .20 .80 1.60 3.6



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he is shooting 3/20 until now and that is 15%


he simply doesnt deserve to be out there

im not a hater and i like him as a person (looks funny to me) but from a basketball point of view he doesnt bring anything to the table

i would live with Udrih making 1 turnover more per game and making everything else way better than NVE :rolleyes

[Kamnik]

If Beno wouldn't have choked so badly in the end of the Houston game (last game of the season) they might have risked using him again. But since that was a no pressure game and he again folded in crunch time, I guess they think it's not worth the risk.
im still mad he screwed up there :rolleyes

after that great streak he had before his injury

[ploto]

I have preferred Barry all along. You want to get the guys who are playing well onto the court. The best way to get minutes for Barry without "cutting" into Manu, Bruce, and Finley's time on the court is to play him at point guard whenever you can handle the defensive match-up. The ball just moves better when he is out there and he himself plays better with the ball in his hands.

[picnroll]

NBA Playoffs
REBOUNDS PER GAME
G GS MPG FGM-A FG% 3PM-A 3P% FTM-A FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
First Round
5 0 12.4 3-20 .150 3-8 .375 9-9 1.000 .2 1.2 1.4 1.6 .40 .20 .80 1.60 3.6



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he is shooting 3/20 until now and that is 15%


he simply doesnt deserve to be out there

im not a hater and i like him as a person (looks funny to me) but from a basketball point of view he doesnt bring anything to the table

i would live with Udrih making 1 turnover more per game and making everything else way better than NVE :rolleyes
Scratch out that legendary game 1 and NeVEr is a robust 0-12 in 45 minutes. If we win with him playing 10 minutes just think, we can get blowouts if Pop will just give him 20.

btw Barry has the highest adjusted FG% in the playoffs so far. I sure would rather have Nick the Dribbler getting minutes over Brent. :drunk

[spurster]

Eventually it will be Brent as backup PG.

[texas84]

If Nick gets pissed or fired up, which I think he will, he can go nuts from the outside. His drive and finish/dish isn't there anymore, but what he did against Sac in the 2003 playoffs was amazing. If he gets hot, you guys will be in love with him.

[T Park]

look at his first roundn series stats and stop refering to 1 game only

he hardly shot the ball last night and in game 5.

Oh yeah, game 5 he had 4 rebounds and lets see about 4 or 5 assists.

But those don't mean shit for stats either.



In fact Nick can even dribble the ball, going nowhere until the shot clock runs out


Games in wich Van Exel is first pg off the bench 4-1

Games in wich Beno is 0-1


the one being a complete blowout.


hmmmmmmm

[picnroll]

Wantr to give us NeVEr's +/-'s for the palyoffs. Nevermind, 82games.com will help you out

Production On Court/Off Court Roland
Player Min Own Opp Net On Off Net Rating
Duncan 69% 25.6 15.7 +9.9 +14.1 -0.5 +14.6 +11.3
Ginobili 63% 18.4 12.3 +6.0 +16.0 -1.3 +17.3 +10.2
Mohammed 27% 24.6 11.8 +12.8 +8.5 +9.9 -1.4 +9.0
Udrih 12% 13.8 8.2 +5.7 +31.5 +6.5 +25.0 +8.0
Horry 39% 18.5 9.1 +9.3 +13.1 +7.2 +5.9 +8.0
Parker 71% 23.8 12.2 +11.6 +9.3 +10.0 -0.7 +8.0
Oberto 6% 7.1 10.8 -3.7 +37.5 +7.8 +29.7 -1.8
Barry 48% 24.6 19.3 +5.3 +1.7 +16.7 -14.9 -4.4
Finley 52% 16.9 19.6 -2.8 +5.1 +14.3 -9.3 -5.9
Nesterovic 35% 14.6 22.2 -7.6 +5.7 +11.5 -5.9 -7.0
Bowen 59% 13.3 18.6 -5.3 +3.9 +17.6 -13.7 -8.7
NeVEr 21% 6.9 15.7 -8.8 +1.5 +11.7 -10.1 -9.1

[ShoogarBear]

Wantr to give us NeVEr's +/-'s for the palyoffs. Nevermind, 82games.com will help you out

Production On Court/Off Court Roland
Player Min Own Opp Net On Off Net Rating
Duncan 69% 25.6 15.7 +9.9 +14.1 -0.5 +14.6 +11.3
Ginobili 63% 18.4 12.3 +6.0 +16.0 -1.3 +17.3 +10.2
Mohammed 27% 24.6 11.8 +12.8 +8.5 +9.9 -1.4 +9.0
Udrih 12% 13.8 8.2 +5.7 +31.5 +6.5 +25.0 +8.0
Horry 39% 18.5 9.1 +9.3 +13.1 +7.2 +5.9 +8.0
Parker 71% 23.8 12.2 +11.6 +9.3 +10.0 -0.7 +8.0
Oberto 6% 7.1 10.8 -3.7 +37.5 +7.8 +29.7 -1.8
Barry 48% 24.6 19.3 +5.3 +1.7 +16.7 -14.9 -4.4
Finley 52% 16.9 19.6 -2.8 +5.1 +14.3 -9.3 -5.9
Nesterovic 35% 14.6 22.2 -7.6 +5.7 +11.5 -5.9 -7.0
Bowen 59% 13.3 18.6 -5.3 +3.9 +17.6 -13.7 -8.7
NeVEr 21% 6.9 15.7 -8.8 +1.5 +11.7 -10.1 -9.1
Careful now. By posting this, you just inadvertenly overloaded the systems who argue that both Beno and Rasho should be playing more.

And if Beno could be trusted with handling the ball in tight games, he'd be playing more. Plain and simple.

[A-Train]

I thought NVE did a good job in the 4th last night protecting the ball and running the offense to give TP an extended rest.

[Obstructed_View]

Do you remember when we couldn't even bring the ball up against Detroit?
Actually, no, I don't remember that. Did that actually happen?

[Obstructed_View]

Let's hope yesterday is the last time Pop has to run his banged up point guard into the ground because he has zero confidence in either backup.

[picnroll]

I have no problem with not playing Udrih, give the minutes to Barry. But between NeVEr and Udrih give me Udrih any day.

I'll bet donuts to dollars NeVEr is running out of chances to show he has anything to give as far as Pop is concerned.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

I think Kori's explanation of why (the Houston game, which I didn't see) makes sense. Pity, because Beno was playing well before that.

I agree totally with picnroll that the minutes should go to Barry. He provides everything X does but better and more. Barry makes 3s, hustle plays, the odd drive, passes well, protects the ball, and tries hard on the defensive end. X makes the odd 3 and is a liabilty on D. It's sad to see X's body let him down (wish we had him 2 yrs ago), but it has, and the sad fact is he is hardly an NBA player any more.

[T Park]

picnroll just hates Van Exel cause his buttbuddy Udrih fucks up in the last regular season game, thereby sealing his fate, he just can't accept it.

[T Park]

I thought NVE did a good job in the 4th last night protecting the ball and running the offense to give TP an extended rest.

Whoa now, too many facts..... Can't compliment Van Exel, hes the new forum whippin boy.

[NCaliSpurs]

I thought NVE did a good job in the 4th last night protecting the ball and running the offense to give TP an extended rest.


Do you mean when he was playing so well that we had to put our hobbled point guard back in the game?

[T Park]

Do you mean when he was playing so well that we had to put our hobbled point guard back in the game?

So that was Van Exel's fault Rasho stood with the ball looking stupid, and missing 2 foot hook shots??


:lol

It gets better and better :lmao

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Please T Park, grow up. We are having a decent debate here, must you lower it to cream-pie throwing? :rolleyes

Are you honestly trying to tell me that Barry wouldn't do a better job with X's minutes? If so, you are clearly deluded and wrong about this as you are with so many other things. Why must you dig holes so deep for yourself?

[picnroll]

I wonder just how bad NeVEr will have to suck before T Park goes reality. Then again I don't think I want to find out.

T Park in case you didn't notice it was NeVEr's mindless dribbling out the clock that was leading to many of the piss poor shots the Spurs were getting in the fourth when he was in.

[Kori Ellis]

And if Beno could be trusted with handling the ball in tight games, he'd be playing more. Plain and simple.

This is the correct answer to every argument regarding Beno vs NVE.

By the way, Nick played really well in game 1 and in game 5 even though his stat sheet doesn't show much.

[picnroll]

What's the correct argument to Barry vs NVE? Whenever TP gets his blow have Manu and Barry on the floor. That's what it's going to come down to if we meet Detroit. Might as well get it going now.

[Winnipeg_Spur]

If we play less small ball against Dallas we're going to have to give Barry minutes at PG just to get him on the floor. He's playing too well to potentially be rotting on the bench.

[timvp]

Barry couldn't guard a point guard four years ago ... he sure as hell couldn't guard one now. NVE, even though he's not a great defender, played well defensively against Bibby.

Barry is in rhythm right now. You don't want to mess that up by making him the backup point guard all of a sudden.

Beno will get another shot in the playoffs. Hopefully he shows that he's ready beacuse it's better for the team if he wins the backup spot.

But until then, the Spurs are undefeated when NVE plays at least ten minutes in a game in the playoffs. Pop says that NVE gives the team confidence out there and the wins back it up.

[2centsworth]

Barry couldn't guard a point guard four years ago ... he sure as hell couldn't guard one now. NVE, even though he's not a great defender, played well defensively against Bibby.

Barry is in rhythm right now. You don't want to mess that up by making him the backup point guard all of a sudden.

Beno will get another shot in the playoffs. Hopefully he shows that he's ready beacuse it's better for the team if he wins the backup spot.

But until then, the Spurs are undefeated when NVE plays at least ten minutes in a game in the playoffs. Pop says that NVE gives the team confidence out there and the wins back it up.
nothing against NVE but his value is way overblown. His defense is worse than Nazr. BTW, barry has been the unofficial backup point guard for a while now.

[boutons_]

Nick is dead last in FG% of all playoff players, 166th in FG%, only 15%.

iow, when Nick shoots, it's essentially a TO, and much more frequent than Beno's TO. Beno's playoff AST/TO is also better than Nick's.

I hope Nick contributes soon, because so far he's fairly counterproductive.

[bigbendbruisebrother]

If Nick gets pissed or fired up, which I think he will, he can go nuts from the outside. His drive and finish/dish isn't there anymore, but what he did against Sac in the 2003 playoffs was amazing. If he gets hot, you guys will be in love with him.

The 2003 and 2006 model Van Exels are not comparable. This guy is slow, fat and done. His occasional flurries of hot shooting are not worth the liability this guy is when he is on the floor.

[spurster]

Barry couldn't guard a point guard four years ago ... he sure as hell couldn't guard one now. NVE, even though he's not a great defender, played well defensively against Bibby.
Hmmm. Barry must have been a good enough backup PG for the Spurs to win the title last year.

[timvp]

Hmmm. Barry must have been a good enough backup PG for the Spurs to win the title last year.

That was for like two games and Manu was more of the backup point than Barry was.

[A-Train]

NVE wasn't the reason that lead slipped down to 13. Shit, TP was the top scorer on Friday night. TD and Manu had problems replacing that. But we're supposed to dog NVE for that? Man, I love Spurs fans.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

timvp said: "Pop says that NVE gives the team confidence out there and the wins back it up."

If that's the case, I can accept it. They know better than us who should be on the floor.

I guess I just prefer Barry playing any role. I think he is playing really well, he's a real deep threat, and he makes more hustle plays than he's given credit for.

[ploto]

Van Exel's vow: Nick Van Exel hasn't made a shot since the second quarter of the Spurs' opening game of the first round. But he vowed to hit at least one more before the end of the playoffs.

"That's a promise," he said.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/basketball/nba/spurs/stories/MYSA050706.10C.BKNspurs.notebook.7ebd012.html

I really think his elbow is pretty bad. I would prefer he just concentrate on running the offense and not shoot much.

[picnroll]

Van Exel's vow: Nick Van Exel hasn't made a shot since the second quarter of the Spurs' opening game of the first round. But he vowed to hit at least one more before the end of the playoffs.

"That's a promise," he said.

Can't wait until he hits that shot. When he hits it T Park is going to annoit him Finals MVP. :lol

[MI21]

Another thing with NVE is people actually expect him to make shots, so the defense is worried about him which theoretically means there should be more space for Timmy to work on the inside, and less helping reaching hands around when Tony and Manu drive.

NVE also gets whistles, Beno would have to be hit flagrantly to get a call in the playoffs.

[boutons_]

"NVE also gets whistles"

... resulting in his shooting 3/8 FTs, 38%, over TWICE as excellent as his 15% FG% :lol

If Nick would just initiate the offense, move the ball, keep making those nifty passes for ASTs, be a pass-first-and-only distributor and STOP SHOOTING and OVER-DRIBBLING, he'd be OK by me. :)