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Vinnie_Johnson
05-06-2006, 09:23 PM
Is there a coach that is more overrated then this Zen Clown. I mean come on up 3-1 and lets The Suns come back to win the best of seven. Game seven lakers down by 14 suns start to go on a big run and he doesn't even call timeout. This guy is a freaking joke of a coach. :lol

1Parker1
05-06-2006, 09:25 PM
This series should have been an easy Suns sweep. The only reason they managed to get up 3-1 was because of Phil's coaching. Not his fault, none of his players can hit a shot to save their life tonight.

Vinnie_Johnson
05-06-2006, 09:26 PM
This series should have been an easy Suns sweep. The only reason they managed to get up 3-1 was because of Phil's coaching. Not his fault, none of his players can hit a shot to save their life tonight.

Shaking head no if anything it was Kobe who got the thing to 3-1 Phil didn't do crap.

J.T.
05-06-2006, 09:28 PM
Phil Jackson = overrated without Michael or Shaq

1Parker1
05-06-2006, 09:28 PM
Shaking head no if anything it was Kobe who got the thing to 3-1 Phil didn't do crap.

:lol Who's plan was it to drop the ball inside to Odom, Kwame, and Walton--which is where the Suns defense is weakest and be a passer first? Kobe didn't think of that game plan himself.

Vinnie_Johnson
05-06-2006, 09:29 PM
Holly crap Phil called a timeout way to go Phil give them a book to read.

1Parker1
05-06-2006, 09:29 PM
Phil Jackson = overrated without Michael or Shaq

That's like saying Pop=overrated without Tim Duncan or Robinson. :rolleyes

KingsFanWithoutName
05-06-2006, 09:30 PM
Shaking head no if anything it was Kobe who got the thing to 3-1 Phil didn't do crap.Phil convinced Kobe to play the team game and they won three. Kobe decided to do it on his own in games 6-7, they lose.

Vinnie_Johnson
05-06-2006, 09:31 PM
That's like saying Pop=overrated without Tim Duncan or Robinson. :rolleyes


I think Pop is miles ahead of Phil Sorry......

Vinnie_Johnson
05-06-2006, 09:32 PM
Phil convinced Kobe to play the team game and they won three. Kobe decided to do it on his own in games 6-7, they lose.

Kobe isn't even shooting are you watching???

lil'mo
05-06-2006, 09:40 PM
Is there a coach that is more overrated then this Zen Clown. I mean come on up 3-1 and lets The Suns come back to win the best of seven. Game seven lakers down by 14 suns start to go on a big run and he doesn't even call timeout. This guy is a freaking joke of a coach. :lol
how many rings does he have?

LakerHater0823
05-06-2006, 09:41 PM
All I know is Steve Nash deserved MVP. Phil's zen like coaching=Refs bad calls and thats why the lakers where ahead. Good job Suns, way to keep your head up when times were bad.

Vinnie_Johnson
05-06-2006, 09:42 PM
how many rings does he have?

None without Jordan and Shaq.

Duff McCartney
05-06-2006, 09:51 PM
None without Jordan and Shaq.

Neither do Jordan or Shaq.

LakerHater0823
05-06-2006, 09:54 PM
how many rings does he have?


Dude! what players did he have when he won those rings.

Lets see:

Micheal Jordan-Greatest Player ever.

Scottie Pippen-One of the best defenders and really was a star in his own right.

Shaquille O'Neal-I don't like him but probably the most dominant center the NBA had seen at that time.

Kobe Bryant-I hate this guy but he will be in the hall of fame and has proven to be clutch (for the most part :lol ). What other player had an 81 point game. His arrogance has been his downfall.

Phil also couldn't contain the Kobe Shaq situation and it eventually led to what we are seeing tonight. Good job Phil.

LakerHater0823
05-06-2006, 09:55 PM
121-90!!!!! HAHAHA yes no respect for the team that figured they were going beat you just by showing up to the game!

KingsFanWithoutName
05-06-2006, 09:56 PM
Kobe Bryant-I hate this guy but he will be in the hall of fame and has proven to be clutch (for the most part :lol )Statiscally, Kobe is not clutch at all. He is something like 7-32 in game winning situations, and he has zero assists in those situations, no other player with that many attempts has zero assists.

http://www.82games.com/random12.htm

A-Train
05-06-2006, 09:57 PM
Clippers are in the 2nd round and the Lakers didn't make it out of the 1st. :smokin

Vinnie_Johnson
05-06-2006, 09:59 PM
Clippers are in the 2nd round and the Lakers didn't make it out of the 1st. :smokin


A true sign the end is near. :oops

LakerHater0823
05-06-2006, 09:59 PM
Statiscally, Kobe is not clutch at all. He is something like 7-28 in game winning situations, and he has zero assists in those situations, no other player has that.


Really!! wow I didn't know that. The media has hype up his game winners so much that it seems like he would be automatic. I think maybe Carmelo Anthony is clutch right? They say he has the most game winners this season.

Vinnie_Johnson
05-06-2006, 10:02 PM
Really!! wow I didn't know that. The media has hype up his game winners so much that it seems like he would be automatic. I think maybe Carmelo Anthony is clutch right? They say he has the most game winners this season.

I think that's cause Mello is the only Nug who will take the shot.

LakerHater0823
05-06-2006, 10:05 PM
thats true. Well I have to say it has been a good weekend so far. My Spurs beat the Kings big and the Lakers lost big. AAAAHHHHHHH Miller time!

Vashner
05-06-2006, 10:06 PM
Remember that time We sweept them and he had to make that "im on vacation" commercial lol?

Marklar MM
05-06-2006, 10:06 PM
"He who crows the loudest, eats the most crow."

LakerHater0823
05-06-2006, 10:08 PM
ugh!!! all they talk about are the Lakers! I bet when the NBA Finals are playing they will still be talking about the Lakers. What trades will go down or what Phil Jackson says about who is playing in the finals or where Kobe is going on vacation. GOD the Suns won!!! talk about them!

LakerHater0823
05-06-2006, 10:15 PM
aww inexperience lost the game..... Hey I remember the Spurs won the Championship when Manu was a rookie and Tony was in his second year. Huh Stephen Jackson was also new! Huh but inexperience is a good excuse.

LakerHater0823
05-06-2006, 10:19 PM
Go Charles!!!

baseline bum
05-06-2006, 10:25 PM
Phil Jackson completely flipped the script on the Lakers offense, and Phoenix couldn't adjust to it until the fifth game of the series. If Jackson was on the Suns bench LA would have gotten swept. Jackson was getting garbage like Kwame Brown and Luke Walton putting up numbers on easy shots. I don't think anyone saw a total team effort from the Lakers coming before this series started. Phoenix was a way better team and Jackson came one blown assignment from beating them.

ducks
05-06-2006, 10:31 PM
phil jackson adjusted
suns with nash was 7-0
lakers won 3 games this series
all because phil adjusted



phil jackson even with the bulls hardly called timeouts
that is how he coaches

lakes won 3 games because he told kobe the only way to beat the suns is for the whole team to contribute and shot well
tonight was the only night that the whole team could not buy a shot except kobe
kobe shot bad in one game


I know alot of people wanted suns to lose because of nash getting the mvp

and was singing the praises of phil tell tonight bandwagoner fans suck

ManuTim_best of Fwiendz
05-06-2006, 10:50 PM
phil jackson adjusted
suns with nash was 7-0
lakers won 3 games this series
all because phil adjusted



phil jackson even with the bulls hardly called timeouts
that is how he coaches

lakes won 3 games because he told kobe the only way to beat the suns is for the whole team to contribute and shot well
tonight was the only night that the whole team could not buy a shot except kobe
kobe shot bad in one game


I know alot of people wanted suns to lose because of nash getting the mvp

and was singing the praises of phil tell tonight bandwagoner fans suckI agree Phil had to make due with the talent he had. Took it to seven games...made it close until Today.

The Lakers Scrubs just kind of buckled to the pressure. Kobe was the only one not affected. Lamar?

Suns were just taking it to them in the end. They adjusted their Defense against the inside presence of Kwame and Lamar..And Now Nash gets his praises back from some people.

greyforest
05-06-2006, 10:55 PM
What other player had an 81 point game.

wilt chamberlain had a 100 point game

1Parker1
05-06-2006, 11:53 PM
Statiscally, Kobe is not clutch at all. He is something like 7-32 in game winning situations, and he has zero assists in those situations, no other player with that many attempts has zero assists.

http://www.82games.com/random12.htm

Kobe's history of Clutch Shots over his career:


1. Game 4, 2006 first round vs. Phoenix
It wasn't one of the games that Bryant played in the 2000, 2001, 2002, or 2004 NBA Finals. It was just a first-round game. But it was an unbelievable performance. It showed the world that this was Kobe's team -- in Kobe's prime — and Kobe's league. Kobe tied the game with less than a second (0.7) remaining in regulation. He then made the game-winning shot as time expired in overtime. It was the type of game that everyone talked about the next day. And the type of game people will remember in 10 years. Most important, it put his underdog Lakers up 3-1 in the series.


2. Game 4, 2000 NBA Finals vs. Indiana
The Lakers were leading 2-1 in the series, but Bryant had suffered a sprained left ankle early in the second game. Prior to Game 4, Bryant's status was unclear. Although he started, he scored only six points in the first half. With 2:33 remaining in the game, Shaquille O'Neal fouled out with the Lakers leading 115-112. Bryant led his team to the overtime victory, scoring 22 points after halftime, and playing 47 minutes on a bad ankle to give his Lakers a 3-1 series lead in the NBA Finals.


3. Game 4, 2002 Western semifinals vs. San Antonio
Is this sounding familiar? Kobe Bryant gives his team a 3-1 series lead with a game-winning basket in the final seconds of Game 4. In this game, Kobe threw in a put-back over Tim Duncan and David Robinson to give the Lakers an 87-85 victory. Bryant scored 28 of the Lakers' 87 points, including 10 in the fourth quarter.


4. Game 4, 2004 Western semifinals vs. San Antonio.
The Spurs were the defending NBA champions, and the best defensive team in the league. The Lakers were a two-man gang — and those two weren't getting along. The Spurs led the series 2-1, and the Lakers were in danger of going back to San Antonio down 3-1. Bryant scored 42 points, and Shaq scored 28 more. The Lakers tied the series up with a 98-90 victory, setting the stage for Derek Fisher's heroics in Game 5.


5. Game 4, 2003 Western semifinals vs. San Antonio
Just call Kobe the "King of Game 4s." Bryant's Lakers were the three-time defending NBA champions, and had won 13 consecutive playoff series going into the second round of the 2003 series with San Antonio. The Spurs had a 2-1 series lead going into the fourth game. This would be the only time that Kobe had played a postseason game without head coach Phil Jackson, who missed the game after undergoing a heart procedure earlier in the day. The Lakers fell behind by 16 points in the second quarter, and were still behind by 10 midway through the third, until Bryant led a charge. Kobe scored 35 points and the Lakers tied up the series with a 99-95 victory. A Game 5 victory was within reach, but Robert Horry's last-second shot for the Lakers failed.


6. Game 7, 2002 Western finals vs. Sacramento
It doesn't get much harder than to win a seventh game on the road, in the hostile Arco Arena in Sacramento. Kobe Bryant scored 30 points and had 10 rebounds. The Lakers outlasted the Kings 112-106 in overtime.


7. Game 4, 2001 Western semifinals vs. Sacramento
OK, so the Lakers were up 3-0 in the series and didn't need Bryant's heroics as much as other times. Still, Bryant's game was nothing short of magnificent. He scored 48 points and had 16 rebounds. The Lakers, on the road in Sacramento, completed the sweep of the Kings with a 119-113 victory.


8. Game 2, 2004 NBA Finals vs. Detroit
The Lakers were down a game in the NBA Finals, and were trying to avoid heading to Michigan in a 2-0 hole. Detroit had a six-point lead with under a minute to play. Shaq converted a three-point play. Then Bryant hit a 3-pointer with 2.1 seconds remaining to send the game into overtime. The Lakers outscored the Pistons 10-2 in the extra period, and tied up the series. Kobe scored 33 points (of the Lakers' 99) and had seven assists in the game.


9. Game 4, 2002 NBA Finals vs. New Jersey
The Lakers were up 3-0, and trying to close out their third consecutive NBA championship. Although they had their way in the first three games, the Nets were only down by four points entering the fourth quarter. Kobe Bryant scored 11 points in the fourth quarter to ensure a Lakers sweep. Bryant's 25 points and eight assists were routine by this point.


10. Game 1, 2001 Western finals vs. San Antonio
Kobe, on the heels of consecutive sweeps of Portland and Sacramento, scored 45 points to lead the Lakers to a 104-90 victory on the road in San Antonio. It was a dominating performance by a dominating player.


http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/5569038

Vinnie_Johnson
05-07-2006, 12:25 AM
8. Game 2, 2004 NBA Finals vs. Detroit
The Lakers were down a game in the NBA Finals, and were trying to avoid heading to Michigan in a 2-0 hole. Detroit had a six-point lead with under a minute to play. Shaq converted a three-point play. Then Bryant hit a 3-pointer with 2.1 seconds remaining to send the game into overtime. The Lakers outscored the Pistons 10-2 in the extra period, and tied up the series. Kobe scored 33 points (of the Lakers' 99) and had seven assists in the game.


That killed me I was so pissed off that night but I knew we would still come back and beat them.

Emeyin
05-07-2006, 12:39 AM
Stop hating on Phil Jackson. He's a great coach. Look who he had to work with this year and still make the playoffs and what they only won 39 games last year with almost the same lineup but probably better last year.

KingsFanWithoutName
05-07-2006, 12:47 AM
Kobe's history of Clutch Shots over his career:


1. Game 4, 2006 first round vs. Phoenix
It wasn't one of the games that Bryant played in the 2000, 2001, 2002, or 2004 NBA Finals. It was just a first-round game. But it was an unbelievable performance. It showed the world that this was Kobe's team -- in Kobe's prime — and Kobe's league. Kobe tied the game with less than a second (0.7) remaining in regulation. He then made the game-winning shot as time expired in overtime. It was the type of game that everyone talked about the next day. And the type of game people will remember in 10 years. Most important, it put his underdog Lakers up 3-1 in the series.


2. Game 4, 2000 NBA Finals vs. Indiana
The Lakers were leading 2-1 in the series, but Bryant had suffered a sprained left ankle early in the second game. Prior to Game 4, Bryant's status was unclear. Although he started, he scored only six points in the first half. With 2:33 remaining in the game, Shaquille O'Neal fouled out with the Lakers leading 115-112. Bryant led his team to the overtime victory, scoring 22 points after halftime, and playing 47 minutes on a bad ankle to give his Lakers a 3-1 series lead in the NBA Finals.


3. Game 4, 2002 Western semifinals vs. San Antonio
Is this sounding familiar? Kobe Bryant gives his team a 3-1 series lead with a game-winning basket in the final seconds of Game 4. In this game, Kobe threw in a put-back over Tim Duncan and David Robinson to give the Lakers an 87-85 victory. Bryant scored 28 of the Lakers' 87 points, including 10 in the fourth quarter.


4. Game 4, 2004 Western semifinals vs. San Antonio.
The Spurs were the defending NBA champions, and the best defensive team in the league. The Lakers were a two-man gang — and those two weren't getting along. The Spurs led the series 2-1, and the Lakers were in danger of going back to San Antonio down 3-1. Bryant scored 42 points, and Shaq scored 28 more. The Lakers tied the series up with a 98-90 victory, setting the stage for Derek Fisher's heroics in Game 5.


5. Game 4, 2003 Western semifinals vs. San Antonio
Just call Kobe the "King of Game 4s." Bryant's Lakers were the three-time defending NBA champions, and had won 13 consecutive playoff series going into the second round of the 2003 series with San Antonio. The Spurs had a 2-1 series lead going into the fourth game. This would be the only time that Kobe had played a postseason game without head coach Phil Jackson, who missed the game after undergoing a heart procedure earlier in the day. The Lakers fell behind by 16 points in the second quarter, and were still behind by 10 midway through the third, until Bryant led a charge. Kobe scored 35 points and the Lakers tied up the series with a 99-95 victory. A Game 5 victory was within reach, but Robert Horry's last-second shot for the Lakers failed.


6. Game 7, 2002 Western finals vs. Sacramento
It doesn't get much harder than to win a seventh game on the road, in the hostile Arco Arena in Sacramento. Kobe Bryant scored 30 points and had 10 rebounds. The Lakers outlasted the Kings 112-106 in overtime.


7. Game 4, 2001 Western semifinals vs. Sacramento
OK, so the Lakers were up 3-0 in the series and didn't need Bryant's heroics as much as other times. Still, Bryant's game was nothing short of magnificent. He scored 48 points and had 16 rebounds. The Lakers, on the road in Sacramento, completed the sweep of the Kings with a 119-113 victory.


8. Game 2, 2004 NBA Finals vs. Detroit
The Lakers were down a game in the NBA Finals, and were trying to avoid heading to Michigan in a 2-0 hole. Detroit had a six-point lead with under a minute to play. Shaq converted a three-point play. Then Bryant hit a 3-pointer with 2.1 seconds remaining to send the game into overtime. The Lakers outscored the Pistons 10-2 in the extra period, and tied up the series. Kobe scored 33 points (of the Lakers' 99) and had seven assists in the game.


9. Game 4, 2002 NBA Finals vs. New Jersey
The Lakers were up 3-0, and trying to close out their third consecutive NBA championship. Although they had their way in the first three games, the Nets were only down by four points entering the fourth quarter. Kobe Bryant scored 11 points in the fourth quarter to ensure a Lakers sweep. Bryant's 25 points and eight assists were routine by this point.


10. Game 1, 2001 Western finals vs. San Antonio
Kobe, on the heels of consecutive sweeps of Portland and Sacramento, scored 45 points to lead the Lakers to a 104-90 victory on the road in San Antonio. It was a dominating performance by a dominating player.


http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/5569038These are not clutch shots, these are clutch performances. Clutch shot are defined as game winning shots or shots with under 24 seconds left. Of course Kobe is a clutch performer, but definitely not a clutch game winning shooter. The stats don't lie.................7-32 and 0 assists.

TDMVPDPOY
05-07-2006, 12:53 AM
phil jackson is overrated, he only wins when theres 2 hofs on his team, but he couldnt win when he had 4 hofs on his team, pretty much overrated

samikeyp
05-07-2006, 01:06 AM
Phil is, at best, the second-best basketball coach in LA.

ManuTim_best of Fwiendz
05-07-2006, 01:15 AM
phil jackson is overrated, he only wins when theres 2 hofs on his team, but he couldnt win when he had 4 hofs on his team, pretty much overrated
He can control 2 egos...4 egos...I think anyone would have a hard time. He at leat used them to take us, the defending champs, OUT... didn't he? 4 finals appearances in 5 years. Quit drinking the haterade. Phil is great and that is a FACT. No matter what we say. His track record don't lie.

Only til' now he couldn't make it past the first round. 9 fuckiing Rings. ANd 3 FUCKING 3-PEATS. You know how hard that is to achieve in a league that's looking to shoot you down each passing season? Pop has yet to make a single Repeat...Show some respect and quit sounding like a fool. I hate Phil Jackson's whiney ass, but he took a shitbag of scrubs and a headcase into the playoffs. Without him, more Lottery on a 38-44 loss Team.

Neo
05-07-2006, 01:23 AM
Phil Jackson knows the powers of the Matrix, how else would he 3-peat?


http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y59/underseth/neo.jpg

samikeyp
05-07-2006, 01:28 AM
The Matrix still only makes him second to John Wooden in LA.

Amuseddaysleeper
05-07-2006, 02:28 AM
sorry but even Pop with this Lakers roster wouldn't be able to top the suns

Phil jax is the greatest coach of all time


stop the hating

J.T.
05-07-2006, 02:29 AM
sorry but even Pop with this Lakers roster wouldn't be able to top the suns

Phil jax is the greatest coach of all time


Pop would've yanked Kwame after the 2nd miss from 3 feet, took some fucking timeouts, and got his team in gear. Phil folded.