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CubanMustGo
05-09-2006, 12:02 PM
Wait a second ... didn't this idiot bellow out how he had "won" when he was hustled out of court? What a shame .... not! Enjoy your all-expense paid lifetime stay in Supermax, where you will have plenty of time to contemplate your numerous sins.

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Moussaoui has new view of justice system
By MICHAEL J. SNIFFEN
Associated Press Writer

ALEXANDRIA, Va. (AP) -- Stunned that he was sentenced to life in prison rather than execution, Zacarias Moussaoui now believes he could get a fair trial from an American jury. Too late, the judge says.

U.S. District Judge Leonie Brinkema quickly rejected a motion the confessed al-Qaida conspirator filed Monday to withdraw his guilty plea and get a new trial.

In his motion, Moussaoui said he lied on the witness stand March 27 when he reversed four years of denials and claimed he was to have hijacked a fifth jetliner on Sept. 11, 2001, and crashed it into the White House, "even though I knew that was a complete fabrication."

The 37-year-old Frenchman blamed his behavior on the effects of solitary confinement, his inability to get a Muslim lawyer and his misunderstanding of the U.S. justice system.

Moussaoui said he was "extremely surprised" by his life sentence by a federal court jury last week.

"I had thought I would be sentenced to death based on the emotions and anger toward me for the deaths on Sept. 11," he explained in an affidavit. "But after reviewing the jury verdict and reading how the jurors set aside their emotions and disgust for me and focused on the law and the evidence ... I now see that it is possible that I can receive a fair trial even with Americans as jurors."

After seven days of deliberation, the jury of nine men and three women on Wednesday rebuffed the government's appeal for the death penalty for Moussaoui, the only person charged in this country in the 9/11 suicide hijackings of four commercial jetliners that killed nearly 3,000 people.

On Thursday, U.S. District Judge Leonie Brinkema gave Moussaoui six life sentences, to run as two consecutive life terms in the federal supermax prison at Florence, Colo.

At sentencing, Brinkema told him he could not appeal the conviction he got when he pleaded guilty in April 2005. "You waived that right," she said. She said Moussaoui could appeal the life term but "I believe it would be an act of futility."

On Monday, Brinkema said federal rules prohibit withdrawing a guilty plea after sentencing so his request must be rejected.

In filing Moussaoui's motion, his court-appointed lawyers told the court they knew that rule would doom the effort but filed it anyway because of their "problematic relationship with Moussaoui" and because new lawyers have yet to be appointed to replace them.

Brinkema had told the defense team, with whom Moussaoui never cooperated, that they finally could leave the case after filing any motions Moussaoui wanted.

Explaining his twists and turns, Moussaoui wrote in the affidavit, "Solitary confinement made me hostile toward everyone, and I began taking extreme positions to fight the system."

Moussaoui said that, coupled with his inability to get a Muslim lawyer, led him to distrust his lawyers when they told him he could be convicted of being an al-Qaida member but acquitted of involvement in 9/11.

The motion said Moussaoui told his lawyers he wanted to withdraw his guilty plea because when he entered it his "understanding of the American legal system was completely flawed."

Moussaoui wrote that he pleaded guilty because he mistakenly thought the Supreme Court would immediately review his objection to being denied the opportunity to call captured enemy combatant witnesses to buttress his claim of not being involved in the 9/11 plot.

An appeals court agreed with the government that national security would be at risk if captured operatives like 9/11 mastermind Khalid Shaikh Mohammed testified or were even questioned by Moussaoui's lawyers. Instead, statements taken from their interrogations were read to the jury.

Mohammed's statements said Moussaoui was never considered for the 9/11 plot, only a later attack.

Moussaoui's shocking testimony that he was to crash a 747 jetliner into the White House on 9/11 revived the government's flagging case in the first part of the sentencing trial. Previously, he had claimed he had nothing to do with 9/11, but rather was to fly the 747 into the White House later if the United States refused to release a radical Egyptian sheik serving life for terrorist acts.

On April 3, the jury found Moussaoui eligible for the death penalty. It apparently accepted prosecutors' arguments that by withholding information from federal agents who arrested him on Aug. 16, 2001, he bore responsibility for at least one death on 9/11 by preventing the agents from identifying and stopping some hijackers.

Nevertheless, the same jury was unable to unanimously find that Moussaoui, who was in jail on 9/11, deserved execution. Three jurors wrote on the verdict form that they doubted he knew much about the 9/11 plot.

Moussaoui's lawyers made clear to the jury they thought he was lying to achieve martyrdom through execution. Prosecutors even stipulated the government doubted his claim that shoe-bomber Richard Reid was to be part of his hijack team on 9/11.

Extra Stout
05-09-2006, 12:07 PM
Tremendous. When he learns he'll have to settle for 72 cockroaches rather than 72 virgins, all of a sudden he wants a new trial.

Bravo, jury. Bravo.

Vashner
05-09-2006, 12:07 PM
lol Supermax does suck hahah..

Still I would rather see him in general population so he can be shanked.

Oh, Gee!!
05-09-2006, 12:23 PM
He shoulda asked for probation

Nbadan
05-09-2006, 12:35 PM
5 years later and we've convicted a two-bit player in the 911 tragedy! That's the real story.

Mr. Peabody
05-09-2006, 01:06 PM
He shoulda asked for probation

Nah, he just needs to do his time. If he'd got probation and then screwed up, he'd be right back in the clink, not to mention the fees he'd have to pay. This way, with good time (I think they give 3 for 1 at Supermax) he'll be out in 4 or 5 years.

Oh, Gee!!
05-09-2006, 01:12 PM
Nah, he just needs to do his time. If he'd got probation and then screwed up, he'd be right back in the clink, not to mention the fees he'd have to pay. This way, with good time (I think they give 3 for 1 at Supermax) he'll be out in 4 or 5 years.


but now he can't get his record expunged. What if he wants to be a substitute teacher in the future?

Mr. Peabody
05-09-2006, 01:17 PM
but now he can't get his record expunged. What if he wants to be a substitute teacher in the future?

I think they'll still let him be a substitute teacher at Edison.

Nbadan
05-09-2006, 01:23 PM
I think they'll still let him be a substitute teacher at Edison.

:lmao

Oh, Gee!!
05-09-2006, 01:24 PM
I think they'll still let him be a substitute teacher at Edison.


Then he'd really get shanked.

Mr. Peabody
05-09-2006, 01:33 PM
Then he'd really get shanked.

Not only that, but he sure as hell wouldn't find seventy-two virgins at Edison.

Nbadan
05-09-2006, 01:34 PM
There you go, rather than throw him in some super-max prison where tax-payers would have to pick up the tab, they should have made him teach at Edison.

All kidding aside, it's sad that Cano, the LPGA amateur from Edison is having trouble finding a corporate sponsor. We should start a golf forum and raise some funds for Cano.

Oh, Gee!!
05-09-2006, 01:34 PM
Not only that, but he sure as hell wouldn't find seventy-two virgins at Edison.


Don't go there.

Nbadan
05-09-2006, 01:36 PM
Not only that, but he sure as hell wouldn't find seventy-two virgins at Edison.

Or Reagan either.

Cant_Be_Faded
05-09-2006, 11:00 PM
Dude, we seriously need to flash forward in the future, where new york or la are secluded areas full of criminals, like in the John Carpenter movies Escape from New York, or Escape from L.A.

If we had one of those, we could just send him there.

DarkReign
05-10-2006, 09:13 AM
Dude, we seriously need to flash forward in the future, where new york or la are secluded areas full of criminals, like in the John Carpenter movies Escape from New York, or Escape from L.A.

If we had one of those, we could just send him there.

Alot (not a majority, just alot) of black people in prison convert to Islam. Give this guy free reign to 'lead' people might not be a good idea. Idiots might just start to follow.

xrayzebra
05-10-2006, 09:44 AM
^^Believe me they would follow. He would be their hero. I still think we should
have fullfilled his dreams and given him his virgins.

Mr. Peabody
05-10-2006, 01:09 PM
^^Believe me they would follow. He would be their hero. I still think we should
have fullfilled his dreams and given him his virgins.

Why would Moussaoui be a hero to Black people?

xrayzebra
05-10-2006, 02:02 PM
^^Why is Faraakan (sp) a hero to many black people? Why is Jackson considered
the leader of black people? Why is Al Sharpton consider a leader of black people.
How far do you want to carry it. Among the prison population many blacks are
converting to the Muslim religion and he would be a leader among them. My
personal opinion.

DarkReign
05-10-2006, 02:22 PM
Why would Moussaoui be a hero to Black people?

Its more or less an assumption. Prison folk arent exactly known for the academic accomplishments or their critical thinking skills.

If they were geniuses, they wouldnt have been caught.

Extra Stout
05-10-2006, 03:00 PM
^^Why is Faraakan (sp) a hero to many black people? Why is Jackson considered
the leader of black people? Why is Al Sharpton consider a leader of black people.
How far do you want to carry it. Among the prison population many blacks are
converting to the Muslim religion and he would be a leader among them. My
personal opinion.
The "Islam" people like Louis Farrakhan follow bears little resemblance even to the twisted form Moussaoui follows.

Black Muslims believe that Allah and the elders of the black master race are in a spaceship orbiting Earth, and that one day they will vanquish all the white devils and restore black people to their rightful dominion over Earth. Oh, and they regard Detroit as their holy city.

When Malcolm X went to Mecca, he basically converted from the Nation of Islam to mainstream Islam, so the other Black Muslims killed him.

So, it's tough to say whether Moussaoui would attract much of an audience.

DarkReign
05-10-2006, 03:58 PM
The "Islam" people like Louis Farrakhan follow bears little resemblance even to the twisted form Moussaoui follows.

Black Muslims believe that Allah and the elders of the black master race are in a spaceship orbiting Earth, and that one day they will vanquish all the white devils and restore black people to their rightful dominion over Earth. Oh, and they regard Detroit as their holy city.

When Malcolm X went to Mecca, he basically converted from the Nation of Islam to mainstream Islam, so the other Black Muslims killed him.

So, it's tough to say whether Moussaoui would attract much of an audience.

Please tell me youre joking.

youre joking.....right?

Vashner
05-10-2006, 04:00 PM
That indoor workout yard. I would just put him in there for 1 hour without guards with the survivors of flight 93 so they can "talk"....

Justice served...

Extra Stout
05-10-2006, 04:14 PM
Please tell me youre joking.

youre joking.....right?
In addition, they believe that white people were created in an experiment gone awry by a renegade black scientist named Yakub 6,000 years ago.

The spaceship, or "wheel," is piloted by 13 youths who are waiting for the day Allah orders them to begin the destruction of white people.

If you ever hear black people, even nominally Christian ones, talking about "Ezekiel's wheel," it is this NOI concept they are referring to.

They believe that Wallace Dodd Ford is the human incarnation of Allah.

xrayzebra
05-10-2006, 04:19 PM
^^ES, where do you get this information. Even at my age I have never heard
these tales or whatever.

Extra Stout
05-10-2006, 04:33 PM
^^ES, where do you get this information. Even at my age I have never heard
these tales or whatever.
There are a number of Muslim critiques of the NOI on the Internet.

There is a distinction to be made between the organization led by Elijah Muhammad's son, and that led by Farrakhan. Muhammad's son merged the black Muslim movement, which he renamed the Muslim American community, back into mainstream Islam.

Farrakhan formed a splinter group which returned to the earlier, bizarre, racist beliefs.

xrayzebra
05-10-2006, 04:34 PM
Could you give us some links. I am serious I would like to read some more on
these people. Thanks.

DarkReign
05-10-2006, 10:18 PM
Yeah man, no doubt.

How in the fuck could weirdos like that attach their stained name to an event like the Million Man March?

Fucking amazing.....if youre not bullshitting.

Mr. Peabody
05-10-2006, 10:41 PM
Yeah man, no doubt.

How in the fuck could weirdos like that attach their stained name to an event like the Million Man March?

Fucking amazing.....if youre not bullshitting.

He is not bullshitting. I remember reading the Autobiography of Malcolm X and in the book, he discusses the belief that white people were the creation of a mad scientist, who gave them the skin of a pig.

It's no different than the Mormons saying that Black people are the descendants of Cain. Their theory is that God marked the descendants of Cain and that is why Black people are Black.

Religion can be a trip.

Extra Stout
05-10-2006, 10:45 PM
Could you give us some links. I am serious I would like to read some more on
these people. Thanks.
Here's one: www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/4222/noi.html

Mr. Peabody
05-10-2006, 10:53 PM
^^Why is Faraakan (sp) a hero to many black people? Why is Jackson considered
the leader of black people? Why is Al Sharpton consider a leader of black people.
How far do you want to carry it. Among the prison population many blacks are
converting to the Muslim religion and he would be a leader among them. My
personal opinion.

If you can't see the difference between Jesse Jackson and Zacarias Moussaoui or Al Sharpton and Moussaoui, you really are as ignorant as I thought you were.

DarkReign
05-11-2006, 08:58 AM
Here's one: www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/4222/noi.html

Wow....just....hahahahahaaaa.....wow!

I mean, I always hated the racist bastard (Farrakhan), but this makes him hilarious!

What a joke! And to think people actually follow this nut-bag. Uneducated and incarcerated....what a bad combination to be lead by this fool.

xrayzebra
05-11-2006, 09:12 AM
If you can't see the difference between Jesse Jackson and Zacarias Moussaoui or Al Sharpton and Moussaoui, you really are as ignorant as I thought you were.

I was attempting to make a point that there would be no difference to
the prison population, dummy. He would be a leader among them. Of
course I wouldn't expect you to understand that, you can see no further than
your nose.

Mr. Peabody
05-11-2006, 09:30 AM
I was attempting to make a point that there would be no difference to
the prison population, dummy. He would be a leader among them. Of
course I wouldn't expect you to understand that, you can see no further than
your nose.

Let's see, from this statement...


Why is Jackson considered the leader of black people? Why is Al Sharpton consider a leader of black people.
How far do you want to carry it. Among the prison population many blacks are
converting to the Muslim religion and he would be a leader among them. My
personal opinion.

...I am not supposed to infer that you are drawing a comparison between Moussaoui and Jackson/Sharpton?

You don't think people can see the difference between these men? And you didn't mention the entire prison population, you just mentioned the Black prison population. Is your point that Black people are too stupid to see the difference between these people and will follow anyone?

xrayzebra
05-11-2006, 10:15 AM
I see you are trying to make me a racist, as usual. No, I am saying that a good
portion of the black prison population is militant as is Moussaoui, as is Sharpton
and as is Jackson. They all fit the same mould. Sharpton and Jackson would not
attempt to blow something up, but they will do their little shakedown on businesses.
And Jackson and Sharpton show up at every opportunity to play the race card, as
would Moussaoui, plus he has the added appeal as being a devout Muslim among
those who would profess to want to join/follow the Muslim's. They, the followers
would be easy to convert to the more militant form of the faith since they, as I
stated earlier, are already militant and consider they are the downtrodden and
persecuted.

Mr. Peabody
05-11-2006, 10:26 AM
They all fit the same mould. Sharpton and Jackson would not
attempt to blow something up, but they will do their little shakedown on businesses.


White leaders never try to intimidate businesses to get them to act in conformity with what they want? If so, are they too like Moussaoui? Or are only the Black leaders like Moussaoui?

xrayzebra
05-11-2006, 10:30 AM
White leaders never try to intimidate businesses to get them to act in conformity with what they want? If so, are they too like Moussaoui? Or are only the Black leaders like Moussaoui?

You too are like Moussaoui, always making statements that make no sense
to a normal person. So guess I will lump you in there with him.
:lol

You can have the final word, I'm finished with your ramblings.

Mr. Peabody
05-11-2006, 10:36 AM
You too are like Moussaoui, always making statements that make no sense
to a normal person. So guess I will lump you in there with him.
:lol

You can have the final word, I'm finished with your ramblings.

You stated that if Black people will follow Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, they will follow Moussaoui. I think this is a ridiculous statement and I am asking you to justify it.