Horry or Nazr?

[waly.mg]

Who is playing better, and playing better for the team?

Horry
vs SAC: 6 Points and 3.7 Rebounds in 18.8 Minutes
vs Dallas: 3.5 Points and 6 Rebounds in 26 Minutes
In Playoffs: 5.4 Points and 4.3 Rebounds in 20.6 Minutes

But the real question is Why Nazr lost the starter Spot

Nazr is 5.1 Points and 4.4 Rebounds in Only 13.3 Minutes

By 48 Minutes the numbers are:

Horry: 12.5 Points and 9.9 Rebounds
Nazr: 18.6 Points and 16 Rebounds (OFF: 7.7 Rebounds)
Duncan is: 29.3 Points and 13.3 Rebounds

In Percentage:
Horry: FG%: 48 %, 3FG%: 42.9%, FT%: 78%
Nazr: FG%: 73% and 72% from the line

The Horry numbers are Interestings for him in %, but not in the rebounds and we need to improve in Rebounds

The last game Horry was 2 Points and 3 Rebouns in 19 Minutes

Vs Dallas Horry is FG% 33%, 3FG%: 25% and 66% FT

So the best Choice may be Horry from the bench and Nazr the starter, like always

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

And percentage wise he's shooting his three's a lot better than Horry.

[CubanMustGo]

Except Nazr can't play D. Sorry.

[waly.mg]

All the team can´t play D the last game, but Nazr can take rebounds

[ace3g]

plus nazr doesnt know how to pump fake or hold on to the ball and those TO are very coslty when the spurs are trying to gain momentum during a game.

I say start Rasho and bring Horry off the bench

[spur219]

Nazr needs to play more. He stepped up big time for the Spurs last season in the playoffs and he needs to be on the court.

[leemajors]

Nazr needs to play more. He stepped up big time for the Spurs last season in the playoffs and he needs to be on the court.

what has he done lately? nothing. he has stunk it up on the court this year. i appreciate what he did last year but he's not getting it done this year.

[pache100]

I say start Rasho and bring Horry off the bench

That's exactly what I say. We certainly wouldn't be any worse off.

[boutons_]

"He stepped up big time for the Spurs last season in the playoffs"

Pop seems to think Nazr has disappeared big time for the Spurs this season, so Nazr sits.

As usual for me after a blow-out loss, the Spurs' big man situation is very weak. Tim and then ... nothing. Pop has to play his weak big man hand, and Nazr's card has been thrown back in the pile.

[A-Train]

Nazr can provide rebounding, shotblocking and a physical presence inside. I know Pop has his reasons but I think he erred in keeping Horry in the starting rotation after the series with the Kings. Dallas has much more conventional centers than the Kings. In Game 2 we saw the importance of interior D. I don't believe I've seen a Spurs team give up that many layups since Bob Hill's reign. Pop needs to get back to the lineup that gave the Spurs one of the top 2 defenses in the league and the 1 seed.

[pache100]

Nazr can provide rebounding, shotblocking and a physical presence inside.

And too many turnovers to make any of that worthwhile. If you give the other team points a large percentage of the times you get your hands on the ball, you belong on the bench.

[velik_m]

I say start Rasho and bring Horry off the bench

Free the Beast!


EDIT: also what are their +/- ?

[boutons_]

Nazr a "physical presence" ?

BS. He's worse than an absence.

[leemajors]

nazr provides rebounding, not much else.

[Melmart1]

Physical presence inside? The inside has more holes than Swiss cheese when Nazr is in. Gimme a break! The two or three rebounds he gets more than Rasho does NOT make up for all the easy buckets he gives up or his atrocious rotations.

[BigVee]

He may have his defensive lapses, but I am a little tired of watching the Spurs guards hit the floor while the Mavs guards get a police escort to the basket. At least Nazr isn't afraid to knock someone on their ass once and awhile.

[Slomo]

He may have his defensive lapses, but I am a little tired of watching the Spurs guards hit the floor while the Mavs guards get a police escort to the basket. At least Nazr isn't afraid to knock someone on their ass once and awhile.Name one!

[Melmart1]

That's the point, BigVee- When Nazr is in, the Mavs don't have to run over guys to get to the basket- the lane is already clear for them.

[boutons_]

"At least Nazr isn't afraid to knock someone on their ass once and awhile."

Total unbelievable BULLSHIT. A driver comes in and Nazr backpeddles down the lane (when he even manages to see the play and get his slow, chicken-shit ass into the action) and then picks up a ticky-tacky, dainty, intimidate-nobody, touch foul trying to block a layup, so daintily that the shot is often made anway for a 3-pt opportunity.

[Texas_Ranger]

Rasho would be the best choice I think :rolleyes

[BigVee]

"At least Nazr isn't afraid to knock someone on their ass once and awhile."

Total unbelievable BULLSHIT. A driver comes in and Nazr backpeddles down the lane (when he even manages to see the play and get his slow, chicken-shit ass into the action) and then picks up a ticky-tacky, dainty, intimidate-nobody, touch foul trying to block a layup, so daintily that the shot is often made anway for a 3-pt opportunity.


You need to take off the blinders. You are only seeing what you want to see. You are talking execution versus desire. He is not a chicken shit. I have seen him knock guys down many times in his career. He may always be out of position with the Spurs, but even so, this year and last year he will mix it up. Duncan on the other hand, is the one who runs out of the way when someone goes to the basket. He did it with Harris several times Tuesday night. He did it with Stackhouse on the reverse dunk. Just waves as the guy goes by. You see what you want to see.

[BigVee]

That's the point, BigVee- When Nazr is in, the Mavs don't have to run over guys to get to the basket- the lane is already clear for them.

Like it is not clear now?

[ploto]

In Game 2 we saw the importance of interior D. I don't believe I've seen a Spurs team give up that many layups since Bob Hill's reign. Pop needs to get back to the lineup that gave the Spurs one of the top 2 defenses in the league ...

You realize that what was missing from the interior defense in game 2 was Rasho. Nazr got quite the opportunity to show what he could do now. Everyone was clamoring to give Nazr his chance. Well, his defense was worse than awful. Watching him attempt to play small ball as the lone big was painful. In order to go back to the best defensive line-up for the Spurs, you would have to put Rasho back into the starting line-up, not Nazr.

[Jimcs50]

I think the Spurs play their best defense when Rasho is with TD.

Start Rasho.

[boutons_]

I didn't follow Nazr before the Spurs (he's had an insignficant career for the same reasons he's not done much for the Spur).

I've not seen Nazr do ANY hard fouling AS A SPUR, or put his body into the path of drivers trying to alter shots or take charges or clog up the lane or just fucking rotate. Nothing wrong with my eyes.

HE JUST DOESN'T DO THOSE DEFENSIVE MOVES. HE INTIMIDATES NOBODY

Yes, Tim is playing chicken-shit defense these playoffs. I can't write that off any more to PF seeing how great his offense and most of his rebounding is going. Maybe he's doing it to protect his body and keep himself in the playoffs.

[BigVee]

I don't think we really disagree here. I concur that Nazr is not a good defender and does not intimidate anyone in terms of altering shots etc. But, I have seen him do the Dampier extra shove or pull to a player on the way down. And if our guards are going to be slowed by bumps and bruises, theirs should to, and I see no one else on the team who is willing to do that. Massenberg did, Big Dog did...but

[T-Pain]

Who is playing better, and playing better for the team?

Horry
vs SAC: 6 Points and 3.7 Rebounds in 18.8 Minutes
vs Dallas: 3.5 Points and 6 Rebounds in 26 Minutes
In Playoffs: 5.4 Points and 4.3 Rebounds in 20.6 Minutes

But the real question is Why Nazr lost the starter Spot

Nazr is 5.1 Points and 4.4 Rebounds in Only 13.3 Minutes

By 48 Minutes the numbers are:

Horry: 12.5 Points and 9.9 Rebounds
Nazr: 18.6 Points and 16 Rebounds (OFF: 7.7 Rebounds)
Duncan is: 29.3 Points and 13.3 Rebounds

In Percentage:
Horry: FG%: 48 %, 3FG%: 42.9%, FT%: 78%
Nazr: FG%: 73% and 72% from the line

The Horry numbers are Interestings for him in %, but not in the rebounds and we need to improve in Rebounds

The last game Horry was 2 Points and 3 Rebouns in 19 Minutes

Vs Dallas Horry is FG% 33%, 3FG%: 25% and 66% FT

So the best Choice may be Horry from the bench and Nazr the starter, like always
i love Nazr, but I have to go with Horry, he comes through more in the clutch.

[fraga]

I definitely say go back to starting Rasho.

[waly.mg]

i love Nazr, but I have to go with Horry, he comes through more in the clutch.

Yap, but is better to start with Nazr or Rasho and to finish with Horry

The real problem was that: If Nazr or Rasho aren´t in the Floor, TD is going to the Center Position and have Foul Troubles, so is better Rasho or Nazr

[angel_luv]

I say start Rasho and let our not so secret weapon, Big Shot Rob , be one of our sparks off the bench.

[angel_luv]

Here is a question. Imagine scenario of the team needing a basket. Nazr & Rob are the shooting options. Which man do you want to have the ball?

In my opinion, the man who has your confidence in a crucial moment like that is the more valuable player.

My vote goes to Rob.

[strangeweather]

Here is a question. Imagine scenario of the team needing a basket. Nazr & Rob are the shooting options. Which man do you want to have the ball?

In my opinion, the man who has your confidence in a crucial moment like that is the more valuable player.

My vote goes to Rob.

That's not even a contest. Pass it to Nazr and it might go off his hands and into the third row.

[sendman]

What is wrong with you people? Nazr dunks!

[Gummi]

IMO the Horry starting thing hasn't worked. Horry shouldn't be starting at this point in his career. He's a bench player that brings many things when he enters the game. He's been on the bench all season long and now suddenly he's starting. Against the Kings it worked, but so far against the Mavs it hasn't.

Start Nazr or Rasho, preferably Nazr. Then bring Horry of the bench and play him 25 minutes.

[angel_luv]

That's not even a contest. Pass it to Nazr and it might go off his hands and into the third row.


I agree, which is why I was surprised at the thread title.

Nazr has some good qualities, don't get me wrong. But it would have never occured to me independent of this thread to ever compare Nazr to Rob.

[beirmeistr]

We need some defense in the center from the start of the game. I vote for Rasho. I do not dislike Nazr, but lately he treats passes as if they are coming from a Leper. Rasho can catch the ball.

[Kori Ellis]

Center of attention: The Spurs have discussed starting one of their more traditional centers (Nazr Mohammed or Rasho Nesterovic) in place of Horry to improve their rebounding. Dallas had 23 offensive boards in the first two games.

"If we put in bigger people on the court, we'll get more rebounds," coach Gregg Popovich deadpanned. "I'm going to tell the staff, and if they agree, I promise you we're doing it, baby."

Looks like Pop made fun of the idea of starting Rasho or Nazr. :lol So now he'll do it.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/basketball/nba/spurs/stories/MYSA051306.7C.BKNspurs.notebook.2edf954.html

[E20]

The Spurs should hire me as there defensive speacialist coach. No really I am serious. I can provide good advice and hands on learning.

[ploto]

Looks like Pop made fun of the idea of starting Rasho or Nazr. :lol So now he'll do it.


;)

[Solid D]

Pop doesn't want to get Timmy in early foul trouble, so he may continue to start Horry. With Dirk playing the 4 on offense, if Pop sticks Timmy on the 5 (Dampier/Diop), that leaves some very unconventional matchups for the other Big. Horry offers the best mobility of the other Bigs.

I thought Oberto really did some nice things back in March. He really hustled down rebounds and got the Spurs 2nd chances, too. He's worth an early shot.

Nazr and Rasho are more likely to come in when Tim sits. It really looks to me like Pop is giving Nazr the Will Perdue treatment, though.

[Solid D]

Oberto played pretty well. He even played Dirk very well the few times he defended him.

Nazr was an embarrassment tonight. Spurs close to within 5, Nazr's hands of stone and poor play hands the Mavs 7 straight points. Pop couldn't get him out of there fast enough.

[1Parker1]

I'd like to see Rasho, over Oberto personally. Nazr moves to third string. That fumble after the perfect Manu pass was a complete joke.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

I'd like to see Rasho, over Oberto personally. Nazr moves to third string. That fumble after the perfect Manu pass was a complete joke.
HE did NOT help his minutes off that possession I can tell you that. It's all in his head. I don't know why he's pulling a disappearing act, maybe he's being a baby on the bench who knows. But he really does help on rebounding...Oberto hustles better than Rasho. He's not big enough, but he did some amount of good, and a few mistakes here and there. But he's been bringing more energy over Nazr and Rasho.