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Nbadan
10-08-2004, 03:49 PM
WASHINGTON, Oct. 7 - Even after a year of solid economic growth and booming corporate profits, federal income tax revenues were lower in the fiscal year that just ended than in the year before President Bush took office, according to estimates by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office.

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Based on the Treasury Department's tax receipts through Sept. 30, the last day of the 2004 fiscal year, the budget office estimated that the deficit hit a record of $415 billion. The deficit was slightly smaller than the most recent Congressional and administration forecasts, mainly because corporate tax revenues shot up by 43 percent as profits climbed at the fastest pace in decades. Personal tax revenues rose by 2 percent.

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But the four-year budget record is less comforting. Spending, particularly military spending, has climbed rapidly since Mr. Bush took office. Largely because of the war in Iraq, but also because of Pentagon modernization projects, military spending has climbed about 40 percent since 2000 to $437 billion. Military spending climbed 12.3 percent in 2004 alone, faster than Medicare and Medicaid entitlement programs and about three times faster than other discretionary programs.

More striking is the decline in tax revenues since 2000. Tax revenues plunged when the stock market bubble collapsed in 2000 and continued to decline as a result of the recession in 2001 and the high unemployment that followed. But personal income and corporate profits have both recovered since the downturn and are once again at record highs.

NY Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/08/politics/08deficit.html?oref=login&adxnnl=1&oref=login&adxnnlx=1097240872-p6X6g45yi5iXGLDDh/OPrg)

Oh, now I feel much more at ease about W's forth tax cut since he took office.

:rolleyes

Marcus Bryant
10-08-2004, 03:54 PM
You'd like to be paying more to the government?

Oh wait, you'd like others to be paying more...

Sure, the tax rate reductions resulted in lower tax collections, along with probably a significant drop in capital gains tax collections post-2000.

Nbadan
10-08-2004, 04:01 PM
W's Trickle-down-less economy?


Job Growth Weaker Than Expected

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. businesses added 96,000 jobs to payrolls in September, the government reported on Friday, a weaker-than-expected total that was expected to sharpen a presidential debate later in the day over the economy's direction.

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Labor also said that, according to preliminary estimates, the economy added about 236,000 more jobs than previously thought in the year ended March 2004 and it will incorporate the change into benchmark revisions it issues next February. (this has a guess range of plus or minus 140,000 with minus likely as the first qtr 04 downward revision is not included in the process that led to the 236,000 guess)


As a result after including the projected change, it appears that about 585,000 jobs have been lost since President Bush took office in January 2001.

.gov (http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm)

Nbadan
10-08-2004, 04:06 PM
Household Jobs show disaster-labor force drops 1 million, job loss of 585K

The GOP's favorite DOL jobs number, the Household survey number, shows bigger Job disaster than shown in the anemic 96,000 jobs gain in the payroll survey jobs number. The Household Survey reports 201,000 lost jobs in September since 139,681,000 were "seasonal adjusted" employed in Aug less 139,480,000 of Seasonal adjusted folks Employed in Sept., and that is a drop of 201,000 jobs. If you prefer numbers that are not seasonally adjusted, then 140,226,000 less 139,641,000, or 585,000 jobs were lost in Sept.

And that Steady 5.4% Unemployment rate is based on folks no longer being in the labor pool and therefore not counted as unemployed. The seasonal adjusted change is from 147,704,000 looking for work or employed in August to 147,483,000 looking for work or employed in Sept, or 221,000 folks dropped out. If you like non-seasonally adjusted numbers, then 148,166,000 less 147,186,000, or a huge 980,000 folks stopped looking for work or being employed in Sept.

NEARLY ONE MILLION FOLKS STOPPED LOOKING FOR WORK OR BEING EMPLOYED IN SEPTEMBER!!!!

BLS.gov (http://www.bls.gov/cps/cpsatabs.htm)

Marcus Bryant
10-08-2004, 04:07 PM
What should have been done differently?


Labor also said that, according to preliminary estimates, the economy added about 236,000 more jobs than previously thought in the year ended March 2004

Lest we forget that there are some fundamental problems with how those employment figures are arrived at.

Nbadan
10-08-2004, 04:11 PM
96,000 new jobs compared to the 300,000 new jobs General Electric (largest arms merchant in the world) owned NBC news is reporting on their site...

http://www.oliverwillis.com/images/80d6d6bc6e93ff3c47dc58d6dcf9ba46-940.jpg

Yeah, the media is liberal.

:flipoff

LandShark
10-08-2004, 04:13 PM
:elephant

Marcus Bryant
10-08-2004, 04:17 PM
http://www.poster.net/aliens/aliens-i-want-to-believe-x-files-4000145.jpg

Samurai Jane
10-08-2004, 04:19 PM
96,000 new jobs compared to the 300,000 new jobs General Electric (largest arms merchant in the world) owned NBC news is reporting on their site...

http://www.oliverwillis.com/images/80d6d6bc6e93ff3c47dc58d6dcf9ba46-940.jpg

Yeah, the media is liberal.

:flipoff

That image is a lie, Dan.

Here's a link to the actual article on MSNBC.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6205119/

Marcus Bryant
10-08-2004, 04:21 PM
So is now this evidence of a conspiracy against Bush?

scott
10-08-2004, 06:20 PM
As much as the Laffer Curve makes sense in a theoretical setting- there still isn't empirical evidence for or against it.

Yonivore
10-08-2004, 11:08 PM
As much as the Laffer Curve makes sense in a theoretical setting- there still isn't empirical evidence for or against it.
Then why did federal tax revenues increase after the Kennedy and Reagan cuts?