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KewlKat00
05-15-2006, 02:17 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=forde_pat&id=2445401

Things that bore me: Reality television, "wacky" morning radio shows, the very sight of Charlie Sheen.

You'll notice that Tim Duncan does not make the list.

In fact, I could list a million things that bore me -- ironing, Stone Phillips, Austria -- without mentioning Duncan.

I could list a million boring sports things -- cricket, free agency, throws to first to hold the runner -- and No. 21 for the San Antonio Spurs still would be nowhere near making an appearance.

I don't just respect Tim Duncan -- everyone does that. I'm entertained watching him play basketball.

I love the bank shots, the drop steps, the efficient post moves, the intelligent passes out of double-teams, the two-hand rebounds, the refusal to force anything. I've enjoyed watching him hang 31 points and 11 rebounds a game on the Dallas Mavericks in a ding-dong series so far, and I can't wait to see him play Monday night against the Mavs in what verges on a must-win playoff game.

This apparently makes me un-American enough that the NSA soon will be listening to my phone calls.

Enjoying Duncan runs counter to a state university-sized school of thought that says the most accomplished player in the NBA is test-pattern dull. Skip and Woody actually agreed on something last week on "Cold Pizza" -- that the Spurs (i.e., Duncan) are boring. And Madison Avenue clearly sees it that way, given its shunning of Duncan as a national pitchman.

Dwyane Wade will put you in a swell pair of shoes. Shaq will tell you how to care for your aching muscles. Even onetime pariah pitchman Kobe Bryant has made a commercial comeback, trading on his anti-hero status.

Just recently I've seen Kevin Garnett portray a platoon leader, a superhero and a standup comic. Funny, though, I've never seen him portray a pro basketball player in June. [ :lol ]

Vince Carter is selling a wireless service during the playoffs. That's nice. When the Heat are finished with Carter and the Nets, he should have enough free minutes to call Duncan and ask him what winning a championship or three feels like.

I hear we're all witnesses to LeBron James' ascendance. While I won't dispute that, I'm wondering how commercial America failed to witness the Duncan phenomenon that preceded it.

The two-time league MVP and three-time NBA Finals MVP, the first player ever to be named first-team All-NBA in each of his first eight seasons as a pro, the guy who pushed himself through 80 regular-season games with plantar fasciitis, the perfect teammate, the caring community presence, the ideal face of a franchise? Guess he's too stoic and too solid to sell.

I look around the league and simply don't get it. I see repetitive stories about the anti-Duncans and yawn.

Thin man Allen Iverson and tin man Chris Webber blowing off Fan Appreciation Night in Philly? Shocker.

Overexposed and underprepared point guard Sebastian Telfair playing just 24 minutes a game for a 60-loss team? Hardly the stuff of books and documentaries, is it?

Larry Brown and Stephon Marbury hissing at each other through the tabloids during a train-wreck season? Utter boredom.

Amid this fool's parade, isn't there some love to be found for the Big Fundamental?

Yes. Turns out you can find it from predictable and unpredictable sources.

"I think he's very refreshing," said South Carolina's Dave Odom, who had Duncan for four years at Wake Forest. "What's different is refreshing, and he's different. It's gone 180 degrees now.

"He's fundamentally sound, a fearless, determined champion, someone who didn't feel like he already knew everything, who puts the team first -- those were throwback virtues and attributes. Those were things that made the old Celtic teams great, but today that's not true. Today's game is style over substance. He's the opposite. He's substance over style.

"I think he's appreciated. I don't think he's adored."

Unpredictable? How about Ron Artest, the NBA's Jesse James to Duncan's Wyatt Earp. The combustible Sacramento King told Dime Magazine this season that he likes the way Duncan plays.

Artest explained: "I remember one time Kevin Garnett was mushing him, and shoving him in the face; and Tim Duncan didn't do anything, he didn't react. He just kicked Kevin Garnett's a--, and won the damn championship. You know what I'm sayin'? That's gangsta. Everybody can show emotion, dunk on somebody, scream and be real cocky; but Tim Duncan is a ... he's a pimp."

Only the creative cloudy thinking of Ron Artest could put "Tim Duncan" and "pimp" in the same sentence -- but that's part of the big guy's marketability deficit. In terms of swagger, he's more plumber than pimp. He's as edgy as a sphere.

The closest he's come to being controversial is complaining about David Stern's new dress code (Duncan isn't comfortable without his shirttail hanging out, and he's not a suit-and-tie guy). He doesn't need big-city bling, being perfectly comfortable in the relative obscurity of San Antonio. And he's a lousy self-promoter.

"He doesn't let us into his life," said San Antonio Express-News columnist Buck Harvey. "Probably my first interview with him was as good as my last one. But in this business you can kind of respect that. He isn't trying to get in good with the media.

"My impression, if you were to know him as a teammate and a friend, he wouldn't be boring at all. He's very smart and has a great sense of humor. He just doesn't want to put that out there."

The Duncan we don't see is the guy who came over to Odom's house for dinner last October, the night before an exhibition game in Columbia, S.C. -- and fretted because he didn't have anything nicer to wear than his sweat suit. The Duncan we don't see sat in Odom's living room talking to the coach and his wife for hours after dinner, then dropped by South Carolina's practice the next day to work with the post men on a few drills.

Odom reports that the Gamecock players were not bored by Duncan's presence.

Turns out they're not alone. There might be a peasant revolution underway when it comes to Duncan and his Q Rating.

The latest issue of ESPN Magazine ran the results of a SportsNation poll identifying athletes with the most "cred." It's about as easily defined as porn -- we know it when we see it, to borrow from a former Supreme Court justice -- but it would seem to rank among the highest compliments you can pay a player.

My jaded assumption was that Duncan would rate depressingly low on the "cred" scale. Instead, he leads the league and ranks behind only Tiger Woods and Tom Brady among "SportsNation's most cred-carrying athletes."

I nearly wept. Boring, at last, is beautiful.


Pat Forde is a national columnist at ESPN.com. He can be reached at [email protected].

Manu20
05-15-2006, 02:17 PM
Updated: May 15, 2006, 12:52 PM ET
Watching Duncan is beautiful, not boring

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=forde_pat&id=2445401

By Pat Forde
ESPN.com

Things that bore me: Reality television, "wacky" morning radio shows, the very sight of Charlie Sheen.

You'll notice that Tim Duncan does not make the list.

In fact, I could list a million things that bore me -- ironing, Stone Phillips, Austria -- without mentioning Duncan.

I could list a million boring sports things -- cricket, free agency, throws to first to hold the runner -- and No. 21 for the San Antonio Spurs still would be nowhere near making an appearance.

I don't just respect Tim Duncan -- everyone does that. I'm entertained watching him play basketball.

I love the bank shots, the drop steps, the efficient post moves, the intelligent passes out of double-teams, the two-hand rebounds, the refusal to force anything. I've enjoyed watching him hang 31 points and 11 rebounds a game on the Dallas Mavericks in a ding-dong series so far, and I can't wait to see him play Monday night against the Mavs in what verges on a must-win playoff game.

This apparently makes me un-American enough that the NSA soon will be listening to my phone calls.

Enjoying Duncan runs counter to a state university-sized school of thought that says the most accomplished player in the NBA is test-pattern dull. Skip and Woody actually agreed on something last week on "Cold Pizza" -- that the Spurs (i.e., Duncan) are boring. And Madison Avenue clearly sees it that way, given its shunning of Duncan as a national pitchman.

Dwyane Wade will put you in a swell pair of shoes. Shaq will tell you how to care for your aching muscles. Even onetime pariah pitchman Kobe Bryant has made a commercial comeback, trading on his anti-hero status.

Just recently I've seen Kevin Garnett portray a platoon leader, a superhero and a standup comic. Funny, though, I've never seen him portray a pro basketball player in June.

Vince Carter is selling a wireless service during the playoffs. That's nice. When the Heat are finished with Carter and the Nets, he should have enough free minutes to call Duncan and ask him what winning a championship or three feels like.

I hear we're all witnesses to LeBron James' ascendance. While I won't dispute that, I'm wondering how commercial America failed to witness the Duncan phenomenon that preceded it.

The two-time league MVP and three-time NBA Finals MVP, the first player ever to be named first-team All-NBA in each of his first eight seasons as a pro, the guy who pushed himself through 80 regular-season games with plantar fasciitis, the perfect teammate, the caring community presence, the ideal face of a franchise? Guess he's too stoic and too solid to sell.

I look around the league and simply don't get it. I see repetitive stories about the anti-Duncans and yawn.

Thin man Allen Iverson and tin man Chris Webber blowing off Fan Appreciation Night in Philly? Shocker.

Overexposed and underprepared point guard Sebastian Telfair playing just 24 minutes a game for a 60-loss team? Hardly the stuff of books and documentaries, is it?

Larry Brown and Stephon Marbury hissing at each other through the tabloids during a train-wreck season? Utter boredom.

Amid this fool's parade, isn't there some love to be found for the Big Fundamental?

Yes. Turns out you can find it from predictable and unpredictable sources.

"I think he's very refreshing," said South Carolina's Dave Odom, who had Duncan for four years at Wake Forest. "What's different is refreshing, and he's different. It's gone 180 degrees now.

"He's fundamentally sound, a fearless, determined champion, someone who didn't feel like he already knew everything, who puts the team first -- those were throwback virtues and attributes. Those were things that made the old Celtic teams great, but today that's not true. Today's game is style over substance. He's the opposite. He's substance over style.

"I think he's appreciated. I don't think he's adored."

Unpredictable? How about Ron Artest, the NBA's Jesse James to Duncan's Wyatt Earp. The combustible Sacramento King told Dime Magazine this season that he likes the way Duncan plays.

Artest explained: "I remember one time Kevin Garnett was mushing him, and shoving him in the face; and Tim Duncan didn't do anything, he didn't react. He just kicked Kevin Garnett's a--, and won the damn championship. You know what I'm sayin'? That's gangsta. Everybody can show emotion, dunk on somebody, scream and be real cocky; but Tim Duncan is a ... he's a pimp."

Only the creative cloudy thinking of Ron Artest could put "Tim Duncan" and "pimp" in the same sentence -- but that's part of the big guy's marketability deficit. In terms of swagger, he's more plumber than pimp. He's as edgy as a sphere.

The closest he's come to being controversial is complaining about David Stern's new dress code (Duncan isn't comfortable without his shirttail hanging out, and he's not a suit-and-tie guy). He doesn't need big-city bling, being perfectly comfortable in the relative obscurity of San Antonio. And he's a lousy self-promoter.

"He doesn't let us into his life," said San Antonio Express-News columnist Buck Harvey. "Probably my first interview with him was as good as my last one. But in this business you can kind of respect that. He isn't trying to get in good with the media.

"My impression, if you were to know him as a teammate and a friend, he wouldn't be boring at all. He's very smart and has a great sense of humor. He just doesn't want to put that out there."

The Duncan we don't see is the guy who came over to Odom's house for dinner last October, the night before an exhibition game in Columbia, S.C. -- and fretted because he didn't have anything nicer to wear than his sweat suit. The Duncan we don't see sat in Odom's living room talking to the coach and his wife for hours after dinner, then dropped by South Carolina's practice the next day to work with the post men on a few drills.

Odom reports that the Gamecock players were not bored by Duncan's presence.

Turns out they're not alone. There might be a peasant revolution underway when it comes to Duncan and his Q Rating.

The latest issue of ESPN Magazine ran the results of a SportsNation poll identifying athletes with the most "cred." It's about as easily defined as porn -- we know it when we see it, to borrow from a former Supreme Court justice -- but it would seem to rank among the highest compliments you can pay a player.

My jaded assumption was that Duncan would rate depressingly low on the "cred" scale. Instead, he leads the league and ranks behind only Tiger Woods and Tom Brady among "SportsNation's most cred-carrying athletes."

I nearly wept. Boring, at last, is beautiful.

mookie2001
05-15-2006, 02:18 PM
so hes NOT boring?

TDMVPDPOY
05-15-2006, 02:19 PM
Ibtl :) 2 Threads Same Topic Diff Smell :(

SpursWoman
05-15-2006, 02:22 PM
Just recently I've seen Kevin Garnett portray a platoon leader, a superhero and a standup comic. Funny, though, I've never seen him portray a pro basketball player in June.


roflmfao

1Parker1
05-15-2006, 02:32 PM
Just recently I've seen Kevin Garnett portray a platoon leader, a superhero and a standup comic. Funny, though, I've never seen him portray a pro basketball player in June. [ ]

Vince Carter is selling a wireless service during the playoffs. That's nice. When the Heat are finished with Carter and the Nets, he should have enough free minutes to call Duncan and ask him what winning a championship or three feels like.

:lmao :lmao I wonder what Sequ has to say about that last one...

1Parker1
05-15-2006, 02:34 PM
Somone should have sent the writer the Duncan quote, "We'll see who's glaring at the end."

:tu Nice article by the way.

FromWayDowntown
05-15-2006, 02:47 PM
I've never understood the willingness of so many to discount Tim Duncan in any regard; it's sillier still to discount him because he's "boring."

The truth is that if you love basketball (not necessarily the NBA) then Tim Duncan almost has to be your guy. If you appreciate unparalleled success with appropriate humility, there is virtually no other choice in the sporting world than Tim Duncan (maybe Tom Brady and Tiger Woods; maybe Pete Sampras when he was playing).

Tim Duncan is everything that sports fans claim to want when lamenting the crime blotter issues of the day in pro sports. But, for whatever reason, quiet excellence gains little or no glamour.

Winnipeg_Spur
05-15-2006, 03:11 PM
I've never understood the willingness of so many to discount Tim Duncan in any regard; it's sillier still to discount him because he's "boring."

The truth is that if you love basketball (not necessarily the NBA) then Tim Duncan almost has to be your guy. If you appreciate unparalleled success with appropriate humility, there is virtually no other choice in the sporting world than Tim Duncan (maybe Tom Brady and Tiger Woods; maybe Pete Sampras when he was playing).

Tim Duncan is everything that sports fans claim to want when lamenting the crime blotter issues of the day in pro sports. But, for whatever reason, quiet excellence gains little or no glamour.
I agree. As someone who has lived outside SA all my life, I feel I am unbiased on this issue, and after I saw Duncan play (the first game I remember was his first playoff game, against Phoenix) I instantly became a huge Spur fan. I never understood this boring talk, even as a rookie Duncan had an amazing array of moves, and imo Duncan has the most aesthetically pleasing game since Jordan.

1Parker1
05-15-2006, 03:12 PM
:tu Agreed. How else can I explain the fact that I love the Spurs, despite living in Philadelphia all my life? :)

pache100
05-15-2006, 03:20 PM
I agree. As someone who has lived outside SA all my life, I feel I am unbiased on this issue, and after I saw Duncan play (the first game I remember was his first playoff game, against Phoenix) I instantly became a huge Spur fan. I never understood this boring talk, even as a rookie Duncan had an amazing array of moves, and imo Duncan has the most aesthetically pleasing game since Jordan.

Well, they said David Robinson was "soft", too (don't know that I ever heard him called boring). David Robinson, who graduated from the US Naval Academy (anyone know what that curriculum is like?) and served 2 years in the Navy before entering the NBA. Saying that Tim Duncan is "boring" and that David Robinson was soft makes the "sayer" look like a frickin' idiot. That's all.

RON ARTEST
05-15-2006, 03:23 PM
it seems that this article was saying how great of a player he is. nobody said he wasnt. most people just say hes boring as hell to watch. which is true

pache100
05-15-2006, 03:24 PM
it seems that this article was saying how great of a player he is. nobody said he wasnt. most people just say hes boring as hell to watch. which is true

You are not paying attention...are we keeping you up? HE IS NOT BORING to watch. Not if you love basketball.

FromWayDowntown
05-15-2006, 03:25 PM
it seems that this article was saying how great of a player he is. nobody said he wasnt. most people just say hes boring as hell to watch. which is true

Yet, your namesake calls him a "pimp," which would suggest that even Ron Artest himself doesn't think that Tim is boring to watch.

DDS4
05-15-2006, 03:25 PM
Best article I've read from ESPN in a long, long time.

Pero
05-15-2006, 03:34 PM
You are not paying attention...are we keeping you up? HE IS NOT BORING to watch. Not if you love basketball.

I agree. Great article.

picnroll
05-15-2006, 03:37 PM
RON you probably think that Nike commercials are the epitome of good basketball closely followed by and 1 tournaments.

RON ARTEST
05-15-2006, 03:55 PM
RON you probably think that Nike commercials are the epitome of good basketball closely followed by and 1 tournaments.
no i just dont like the way he plays. it bores me. that just my opinion. am i allowed to have one? this is a forum. we disagree, get over it.

1Parker1
05-15-2006, 03:58 PM
^You're entitled to your opinion. I think though that the author of this article is trying to address the opinions of the many people who think like you, however. My boyfriend (:flipoff) also thinks Tim Duncan and the Spurs are boring as hell and he can't understand why I root for the Spurs from Philly :lol.

RON ARTEST
05-15-2006, 03:58 PM
Yet, your namesake calls him a "pimp," which would suggest that even Ron Artest himself doesn't think that Tim is boring to watch.
thats his opinion. most people that arent spurs fans will say watching duncan is like watching paint dry.

RON ARTEST
05-15-2006, 04:00 PM
^You're entitled to your opinion. I think though that the author of this article is trying to address the opinions of the many people who think like you, however. My boyfriend (:flipoff) also thinks Tim Duncan and the Spurs are boring as hell and he can't understand why I root for the Spurs from Philly :lol.
i dont think the spurs as a whole are boring like they used to be but tim duncan is imo. and if i was a spurs fan i would probably think he isnt boring also. especially when they are winning title after title.

samikeyp
05-15-2006, 04:07 PM
I always wondered why it matters what a player looks like while playing. As long as he gets the job done...nothing else is important. Style points are only for the dunk contest.

The people who call Duncan boring are like those who drop the asterisk on the '99 title. If it were their team..it would be different. They will say "that's not true" and they would be lying.

Spurminator
05-15-2006, 04:10 PM
I can see why people think Duncan is boring. I just don't care.

MissAllThat
05-15-2006, 04:11 PM
Best article I've read from ESPN in a long, long time.

Pat Forde is amazing. He's one of the better writers on ESPN. The guy really knows his stuff and isn't afraid to disagree with the national media and the popular choice. Too bad he doesn't really cover the NBA regularly. During football season, he was one of the only guys over there talking about Texas winning the national championship constantly. That was his pick all along, and he stuck by it. Even when the rest of the world was picking USC. He may not write about the Spurs and the NBA much, but you should check out his articles anyway. He's usually enjoyable.

FromWayDowntown
05-15-2006, 04:12 PM
Some people need to see a shiny object every 20 seconds or so in order to stay entertained, I guess.

Nbadan
05-15-2006, 04:14 PM
Tim Duncan is playing 2 to 3 inches higher than any Dallas defender. The Spurs need to take advange of this by getting the Dallas bigs into foul trouble early. Daniels is a joke.

spur219
05-15-2006, 04:22 PM
Duncan was my favorite player long before he was a Spur. I followed him since his early Wake Forest days. One thing that I admired about him was he never trash talked or showed cockiness. He just went out there and got the job done.

When I was in highschool I would tell all my buddies about a Tim Duncan from Wake Forest and how one day he would be the best player in the NBA and win championships wherever he went. They thought I was crazy as they were more into Ron Mercer and Duke players. Well now they look back at me and one buddy told me recently "Hey man you were right about that Virgin boy". He calls him that because in highschool I would tell him that he was a guy from the U.S. Virgin Islands. All I say now is I told you.

Then when he got drafted to my favorite team that to me was incredible.

Darrin
05-15-2006, 04:23 PM
Tim Duncan is everything that sports fans claim to want when lamenting the crime blotter issues of the day in pro sports. But, for whatever reason, quiet excellence gains little or no glamour.

He doesn't shoot threes, he doesn't throw down big dunks. Most of his game is connected to the ground. He doesn't go behind his back with a pass. I want you to watch the next national broadcast and listen to the excitment level of an NBA broadcaster. They love to talk over "normal" plays in the NBA. Duncan is tremendously talented and I love what he does. If I could pluck someone off an NBA roster and put him on my favorite team, it's Tim Duncan.

But from the viewpoint of the not-so-average NBA fan, Duncan is full of "normal" plays. That's why he is considered boring. He doesn't demand attention, he doesn't play in a huge market, and very few people have read his wit in the article he did in the defunct "Sport" magazine in 1999.

Phenomanul
05-15-2006, 05:13 PM
:tu Agreed. How else can I explain the fact that I love the Spurs, despite living in Philadelphia all my life? :)


Because you want to do this to Parker.... :makeout .... :lol

Seriously though....

This was a very well written article...

IX_Equilibrium
05-15-2006, 05:21 PM
just emailed the author:

Your article on Tim Duncan is terrific. You hit the nail on the head. It is unreal that so many don't view Tim and the Spurs organization as "marketable". What do they have to do? Winning championships is not enough? Does Tim Duncan have to get caught with marijuana in his car? Does Tony Parker have to get domestic abuse charges filed against him by Eva Longoria?

It's a shame in this day and age in sports when a team isn't heralded for being as classy and successful as the Spurs have been. Sadly, being notorious is what sells in the NBA.

strangeweather
05-15-2006, 05:33 PM
Some people need to see a shiny object every 20 seconds or so in order to stay entertained, I guess.

Well, even among the Spurs, Manu and Tony are the "exciting" ones. Even a casual basketball fan can watch Manu do his thing, and it's fun to watch. Stuff like that is much more along the lines of why a lot of people watch basketball.

Watching Tim do his thing is like watching good line play in football. Knowledgeable people know that good line play is the key to winning, and can spot the key point in a play where a guard picks up a defensive stunt really well. But most people watch whoever has the ball and chalk that up as the "exciting" part.

Deb
05-15-2006, 07:52 PM
Updated: May 15, 2006, 12:52 PM ET
Watching Duncan is beautiful, not boring

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=forde_pat&id=2445401

By Pat Forde
ESPN.com

Things that bore me: Reality television, "wacky" morning radio shows, the very sight of Charlie Sheen.

You'll notice that Tim Duncan does not make the list.

In fact, I could list a million things that bore me -- ironing, Stone Phillips, Austria -- without mentioning Duncan.

I could list a million boring sports things -- cricket, free agency, throws to first to hold the runner -- and No. 21 for the San Antonio Spurs still would be nowhere near making an appearance.

I don't just respect Tim Duncan -- everyone does that. I'm entertained watching him play basketball.

I love the bank shots, the drop steps, the efficient post moves, the intelligent passes out of double-teams, the two-hand rebounds, the refusal to force anything. I've enjoyed watching him hang 31 points and 11 rebounds a game on the Dallas Mavericks in a ding-dong series so far, and I can't wait to see him play Monday night against the Mavs in what verges on a must-win playoff game.

This apparently makes me un-American enough that the NSA soon will be listening to my phone calls.

Enjoying Duncan runs counter to a state university-sized school of thought that says the most accomplished player in the NBA is test-pattern dull. Skip and Woody actually agreed on something last week on "Cold Pizza" -- that the Spurs (i.e., Duncan) are boring. And Madison Avenue clearly sees it that way, given its shunning of Duncan as a national pitchman.

Dwyane Wade will put you in a swell pair of shoes. Shaq will tell you how to care for your aching muscles. Even onetime pariah pitchman Kobe Bryant has made a commercial comeback, trading on his anti-hero status.

Just recently I've seen Kevin Garnett portray a platoon leader, a superhero and a standup comic. Funny, though, I've never seen him portray a pro basketball player in June.

Vince Carter is selling a wireless service during the playoffs. That's nice. When the Heat are finished with Carter and the Nets, he should have enough free minutes to call Duncan and ask him what winning a championship or three feels like.

I hear we're all witnesses to LeBron James' ascendance. While I won't dispute that, I'm wondering how commercial America failed to witness the Duncan phenomenon that preceded it.

The two-time league MVP and three-time NBA Finals MVP, the first player ever to be named first-team All-NBA in each of his first eight seasons as a pro, the guy who pushed himself through 80 regular-season games with plantar fasciitis, the perfect teammate, the caring community presence, the ideal face of a franchise? Guess he's too stoic and too solid to sell.

I look around the league and simply don't get it. I see repetitive stories about the anti-Duncans and yawn.

Thin man Allen Iverson and tin man Chris Webber blowing off Fan Appreciation Night in Philly? Shocker.

Overexposed and underprepared point guard Sebastian Telfair playing just 24 minutes a game for a 60-loss team? Hardly the stuff of books and documentaries, is it?

Larry Brown and Stephon Marbury hissing at each other through the tabloids during a train-wreck season? Utter boredom.

Amid this fool's parade, isn't there some love to be found for the Big Fundamental?

Yes. Turns out you can find it from predictable and unpredictable sources.

"I think he's very refreshing," said South Carolina's Dave Odom, who had Duncan for four years at Wake Forest. "What's different is refreshing, and he's different. It's gone 180 degrees now.

"He's fundamentally sound, a fearless, determined champion, someone who didn't feel like he already knew everything, who puts the team first -- those were throwback virtues and attributes. Those were things that made the old Celtic teams great, but today that's not true. Today's game is style over substance. He's the opposite. He's substance over style.

"I think he's appreciated. I don't think he's adored."

Unpredictable? How about Ron Artest, the NBA's Jesse James to Duncan's Wyatt Earp. The combustible Sacramento King told Dime Magazine this season that he likes the way Duncan plays.

Artest explained: "I remember one time Kevin Garnett was mushing him, and shoving him in the face; and Tim Duncan didn't do anything, he didn't react. He just kicked Kevin Garnett's a--, and won the damn championship. You know what I'm sayin'? That's gangsta. Everybody can show emotion, dunk on somebody, scream and be real cocky; but Tim Duncan is a ... he's a pimp."

Only the creative cloudy thinking of Ron Artest could put "Tim Duncan" and "pimp" in the same sentence -- but that's part of the big guy's marketability deficit. In terms of swagger, he's more plumber than pimp. He's as edgy as a sphere.

The closest he's come to being controversial is complaining about David Stern's new dress code (Duncan isn't comfortable without his shirttail hanging out, and he's not a suit-and-tie guy). He doesn't need big-city bling, being perfectly comfortable in the relative obscurity of San Antonio. And he's a lousy self-promoter.

"He doesn't let us into his life," said San Antonio Express-News columnist Buck Harvey. "Probably my first interview with him was as good as my last one. But in this business you can kind of respect that. He isn't trying to get in good with the media.

"My impression, if you were to know him as a teammate and a friend, he wouldn't be boring at all. He's very smart and has a great sense of humor. He just doesn't want to put that out there."

The Duncan we don't see is the guy who came over to Odom's house for dinner last October, the night before an exhibition game in Columbia, S.C. -- and fretted because he didn't have anything nicer to wear than his sweat suit. The Duncan we don't see sat in Odom's living room talking to the coach and his wife for hours after dinner, then dropped by South Carolina's practice the next day to work with the post men on a few drills.

Odom reports that the Gamecock players were not bored by Duncan's presence.

Turns out they're not alone. There might be a peasant revolution underway when it comes to Duncan and his Q Rating.

The latest issue of ESPN Magazine ran the results of a SportsNation poll identifying athletes with the most "cred." It's about as easily defined as porn -- we know it when we see it, to borrow from a former Supreme Court justice -- but it would seem to rank among the highest compliments you can pay a player.

My jaded assumption was that Duncan would rate depressingly low on the "cred" scale. Instead, he leads the league and ranks behind only Tiger Woods and Tom Brady among "SportsNation's most cred-carrying athletes."

I nearly wept. Boring, at last, is beautiful.

Awesome article. One thing that Tim D has and will always have is respect. No flash, no showy stuff, just solid play.

NZHayden
05-15-2006, 07:55 PM
I could list a million boring sports things -- cricket, free agency, throws to first to hold the runner -- and No. 21 for the San Antonio Spurs still would be nowhere near making an appearance.
crickets not that boring

jamezyjamez
05-15-2006, 08:00 PM
Interesting thread. Makes me think that if he weren't boring, that article would not be necessary. Oh well, he's exciting in the same way that Hakeem was...surrounded by three-point shooting spares...he had his Kenny Smith, TD had his Kerr, Fairy, and now Barry. It's probably worth the boredom to have rings though. Just be glad you don't live in SA and have to watch them every night during the season.

Should be a good one tonight...good luck, all!

5ToolMan
05-15-2006, 08:22 PM
I believe most of the boring talk was generated by a combination of press bias, fan jealousy of the great success of a small market team and to some degree the Spurs emphisis in Duncan's early years of defense ... defense ... defense.

Case in point, the Pistons of 2004 and 2005 were a boring (efficient) mainly defensive team, yet because of the hard edge of the city and a large market to buy into the hype, they were marketed as the Bad Boys reborn, rather then the 1999-2006 Spurs who the nation "knows" are the "soft/boring" team.

Go figure, it is the Soft and Boring team that has been the cream of the NBA, somehow creaming the collective NBA league over the last EIGHT YEARS!

Soft and Boring my ass! It is all about jealousy and ignorance of the game.

spur4life
05-15-2006, 08:33 PM
i dont think the spurs as a whole are boring like they used to be but tim duncan is imo. and if i was a spurs fan i would probably think he isnt boring also. especially when they are winning title after title.


Duncan is a big man so you cannot expect him to be as flashy as a guard on the court!!

Joaquin
05-20-2006, 12:40 PM
nice

tetasfromtejas
05-20-2006, 01:47 PM
it seems that this article was saying how great of a player he is. nobody said he wasnt. most people just say hes boring as hell to watch. which is true


bank shots boring? how many other players have that in their arsenal? getting drafted #1 and Boston in its anticipation of getting Timmy hiring Rick Patino as their coach. Then scrambling to make a deal with the Spurs when we got the #1 selection boring? Being three time finals mvp, back to back mvp, roy, etc....

of course he does not appeal to you, he's a real ass player and only real ass basketball fans will respect him for what he brings to the table.

but here is the gist of the situation in reality:

People have to find fault with everything, there has to always, always be a downside and in the Spurs case its because they are "boring" to watch. is that all you got? now thats boring!!