Refs Get Dallas to OT

[Doc Jerome]

What a crock of s#@! NBA refs have become. This is the WWF now. It looks too obvious now. There is definately a case for fans to stop watching this farce. There is no way now that the Spurs will get the kind of calls that were made in this game.

Brent f#@%ed up royally with that inbound pass too; outside of that, I can live with what happened.

This game was a gift from the refs and Stern. :fro

[sprrs]

I haven't bitched about the refs this series but GOD DAMN they are getting to me. The Spurs still screwed themselves over in the end of the game but there's NO WAY it's that close if it wasn't for the refs.

[veronicamae]

I love how Barkley called out the refs at the end of the game - for the officiating throughout the playoffs.

FINALLY, someone truly unbiased is making the judgment call.

[Trainwreck2100]

I love how Barkley called out the refs at the end of the game - for the officiating throughout the playoffs.

FINALLY, someone truly unbiased is making the judgment call.

But no, it's just us Spurs fans.

[Doc Jerome]

This is my 1st thread about refs. It will be my last too, . . . That game was disgusting.

[rayray2k8]

Its pretty obvious now...
Im not sure whats gonna happen know..
We can only hope for the best..
From what I see.. I can tell who the real spurs fans are..
Just wasnt our night..
Lets see what happens in game 5 :)
Keep the hope alive

[Horry For 3!]

Refs didn't help the Mavs in OT but in regulation there was a lot of fucked up calls.

[Slydragon]

Yup, I loved how Sir Charles called them out too.

[MissAllThat]

But no, it's just us Spurs fans.

Exactly, just us "homers." I guess this makes Barkley a Spurs homer now....

[jamezyjamez]

Yep, Barkley isn't biased. He loves Cuban and the Mavs.

[SA210]

Refs didn't help the Mavs in OT but in regulation there was a lot of fucked up calls.
Shouldn't have even gotten to overtime.


"The NBA officials, they suck." - Charles Barkley

[DubMcDub]

Yep, Barkley isn't biased. He loves Cuban and the Mavs.

Totally, and he's definitely not a gambling addict that may have had a bet down on the Spurs for this game.

Seriously ....giving Charles Barkley any credit in such matters is absolutely ludicrious. Grow up Spurs fans.

[ponky]

Refs didn't help the Mavs in OT but in regulation there was a lot of fucked up calls.


Sure were, like that shot that didn't hit the rim (shot clock violation) so the Spurs got it back. Like the Duncan foul on Harris at the end of regulation. Anyway, it's great to see that Charles and Kenny finally went back to analyzing how the Mavs are too fast for the Spurs and dissing Brenty Barry. Oh yes, he also said DEVIN HARRIS has been the best player of the SERIES!

[SPARKY]

Totally, and he's definitely not a gambling addict that may have had a bet down on the Spurs for this game.

Seriously ....giving Charles Barkley any credit in such matters is absolutely ludicrious. Grow up Spurs fans.

eh, shut up.

[SA210]

Refs didn't help the Mavs in OT but in regulation there was a lot of fucked up calls.

Shouldn't have even made it to overtime, Plus they got Manu out the game.

[TDMVPDPOY]

morons who ref at greece olympic games > this year nba play off refs, expect duncan to come out with a reply

[ponky]

Shouldn't have even gotten to overtime.


"The NBA officials, they suck." - Charles Barkley


Since you obviously foam at the mouth whenever Charles Barkley speaks, here's another thing he said tonight --> WHOEVER WINS THE GAME TONIGHT WINS THE SERIES.

[DubMcDub]

eh, shut up.

I realize that Spurs fans are upset right now, but acting like "Just because Charles Barkley said it it HAS to be true" is absolute insanity.

[Winnipeg_Spur]

Sure were, like that shot that didn't hit the rim (shot clock violation) so the Spurs got it back.
Which they promptly took away with a ridiculous make up call. It would've been nice to get some justice on any ONE of the ridiculous calls that went the Mavs way...

[Winnipeg_Spur]

I realize that Spurs fans are upset right now, but acting like "Just because Charles Barkley said it it HAS to be true" is absolute insanity.
Fine. Then explain how that was a foul on Bowen?

[ponky]

I realize that Spurs fans are upset right now, but acting like "Just because Charles Barkley said it it HAS to be true" is absolute insanity.


No, it's hilarious...especially when he and kenny have been the most vocal about dissing the Mavericks all season long!!! I love it.

[Trainwreck2100]

I realize that Spurs fans are upset right now, but acting like "Just because Charles Barkley said it it HAS to be true" is absolute insanity.


Actually it's more of a "finally some guy from a national media outlet has the balls to say something"

[DubMcDub]

Actually it's more of a "finally some guy from a national media outlet has the balls to say something"

Finally some guy from the national media who is a self-admitted gambling addict? A guy who for all you know had 500 grand down on the Spurs + 2 in this game (the majority of the bets coming in in the past 2 days were on the Spurs to cover) and is pissed off that he lost?

Talk about an unbiased opinion! Perhaps OJ should have used Jeffrey Dahmer as an expert witness in his murder trial as well.

[DubMcDub]

Fine. Then explain how that was a foul on Bowen?

It was a hand check. It's illegal.

Granted, that call isn't usually made. And that's how Bowen makes his money (which I respect, dont get me wrong). But it was the right call, rules considered.

[ponky]

Finally some guy from the national media who is a self-admitted gambling addict? A guy who for all you know had 500 grand down on the Spurs + 2 in this game (the majority of the bets coming in in the past 2 days were on the Spurs to cover) and is pissed off that he lost?

Talk about an unbiased opinion! Perhaps OJ should have used Jeffrey Dahmer as an expert witness in his murder trial as well.

Ha, you are so pwning him right now. Charles Barkley = some guy from the national media. This might be true but so is that loser Tom Tolbert, doesn't mean I listen to anything that comes out of his mouth.

[Trainwreck2100]

It was a hand check. It's illegal.

Granted, that call isn't usually made. And that's how Bowen makes his money (which I respect, dont get me wrong). But it was the right call, rules considered.
then why not call the 50 times Damp hand checks Duncan. Name me one time, just once, that a game playoff game was tied in the fourth at the line because of a hand check call.

[ponky]

then why not call the 50 times Damp hand checks Duncan. Name me one time, just once, that a game playoff game was tied in the fourth at the line because of a hand check call.


Maybe Duncan should've made that basket to seal the deal, after all he IS the go to guy on the team.

[SA210]

Since you obviously foam at the mouth whenever Charles Barkley speaks, here's another thing he said tonight --> WHOEVER WINS THE GAME TONIGHT WINS THE SERIES.
I don't think he figured the refs would have a hand in it when he said that.

[Winnipeg_Spur]

It was a hand check. It's illegal.

Granted, that call isn't usually made. And that's how Bowen makes his money (which I respect, dont get me wrong). But it was the right call, rules considered.
They called the foul with Dirk's back to the basket, and you can handcheck a guy when his back is to the basket without it being a foul. Hell, going by Dampier's defense on Duncan, you can fuck a guy up the ass when his back is to the basket without it being a foul.

[Trainwreck2100]

Maybe Duncan should've made that basket to seal the deal, after all he IS the go to guy on the team.


What does that have to do with a hand check and how Damp is playing him as it relates to Bowens foul on Dirk

[ponky]

I don't think he figured the refs would have a hand in it when he said that.

That's understandable, you probably just tune in for the occasional regular season Spurs game and the playoffs. If you watch Inside the NBA every single week like I do you would've known better.

[DubMcDub]

then why not call the 50 times Damp hand checks Duncan. Name me one time, just once, that a game playoff game was tied in the fourth at the line because of a hand check call.

Two things.

First of all, the call is usually made if the hand check continues for an extended period of time, which it did in Bowen's case.

Secondly, I'm sure if you follow basketball extensively that you're well aware that call will not be made in the low post, or when a player is slowly backing into another player.

Watch the replay again. The Bowen foul was NOT the same situation as when Dampier puts his hands on Duncans back (or when Duncan does the same). It was near the top of the key, with Dirk attemtping to move quickly, and with his back not completely to Bowen.

It's a judgment call, either way. I'm not saying the infallible, perfect call was made. But it was a LEGITIMATE call, with a substantiated basis in the rulebook.

[dieman8686]

It was a hand check. It's illegal.

Granted, that call isn't usually made. And that's how Bowen makes his money (which I respect, dont get me wrong). But it was the right call, rules considered.
Right or wrong they shouldn't have called it, they should have let him just score, so there will be no bitching. Dirk was backing him down for the first time to the post, and I'm sure he would have made it in, it was like the first one on one he had with Bruce all game. I AGREE 100% Refs sucked, yall(hey we're Texans lol) shouldn't have laughed at what Cuban had in his Blog about the Refs, because it's true! I mean the Spurs did get bad calls in regulation, but the Mavs got them right after they took that 8-9 point lead that lead to 3's and more down the stretch with the Tim deflection and no iron on shot clock.THE main fact is that you had the chance to win, but you guys broke down mentally, with Barry's bad pass and Parker's missed free throws. Also, in OT, Devin threw the ball away pretty bad twice down the stretch and you guys didn't take advantage.

[Trainwreck2100]

Barkley's predictions suck anyway, he pick LA and NJ in 03, and Det last year.

[Kori Ellis]

First of all, the call is usually made if the hand check continues for an extended period of time, which it did in Bowen's case.

I think you need to go watch that one again.

I never complain about calls, but if anything should have been called, Dirk was pushing off.

[Trainwreck2100]

Right or wrong they shouldn't have called it, they should have let him just score, so there will be no bitching. Dirk was backing him down for the first time to the post, and I'm sure he would have made it in, it was like the first one on one he had with Bruce all game. I AGREE 100% Refs sucked, yall(hey we're Texans lol) shouldn't have laughed at what Cuban had in his Blog about the Refs, because it's true! I mean the Spurs did get bad calls in regulation, but the Mavs got them right after they took that 8-9 point lead that lead to 3's and more down the stretch with the Tim deflection and no iron on shot clock.THE main fact is that you had the chance to win, but you guys broke down mentally, with Barry's bad pass and Parker's missed free throws. Also, in OT, Devin threw the ball away pretty bad twice down the stretch and you guys didn't take advantage.


Tim's moving screen was a makeup for that.

[DubMcDub]

I think you need to go watch that one again.

I never complain about calls, but if anything should have been called, Dirk was pushing off.

I just watched it. Over and over.

Bowen hand checked for long enough to warrant a call. Like I said, it's a judgment call, but it is absolutely, 100% legitimate.

[Kori Ellis]

I just watched it. Over and over.

Bowen hand checked for long enough to warrant a call. Like I said, it's a judgment call, but it is absolutely, 100% legitimate.

You don't see Dirk pushing off?

[SpurCapita]

A no-call would have been about 800% legit, and an offensive foul about 400% legit. Making the actual call 92.3% bullshit.

[dieman8686]

Tim's moving screen was a makeup for that.
Yeah I know, thank god, but what about the rest that I mentioned? There was no makeup for that, untill the ghetto calls against you, which I say went overboard, luckily for us. BUT, I just have to say you had your chance too. If you put the loss away an dthe end of the 4th quater, this was a hell of a game. I would still say the same thing, even if we lost. Every good player stepped up big for both teams! Good Game! :fro

[Kori Ellis]

A no-call would have been about 800% legit, and an offensive foul about 400% legit. Making the actual call 92.3% bullshit.

Yeah there shouldn't have been any call at all.

[dieman8686]

You don't see Dirk pushing off?
Not really...it's called backing his man down the post...
for me I didn't see a foul either way... :wakeup

[DubMcDub]

You don't see Dirk pushing off?

I do see Dirk pushing off a bit. He's backing his man down. Not really enough to warrant a foul, but I'm not an NBA ref.

I don't think you're quite understanding my comment here. I'm not saying the refs made the ONLY right call. It was a situation that could have gone 1 of 3 ways. They picked 1, which is not necessarily any more correct than the other 2.

All I'm saying is the call was legitimate, meaning it has substantive basis in the rules. I think a no-call or possibly even an offensive foul would have also been legitimate.

But it is what it is. I really don't understand what the fascination is with bitching about the refs. If you're not willing to accept the decisions of the officials as an integral part of the game, then I seriously can't even comprehend why you watch sports (note that I'm speaking generally here and not directing this at you Kori or anyone in particular).

[SpurCapita]

The problem I think we're having is that we haven't accept that the referees inordinate amount of poor decisions are an integral part of the game

[Trainwreck2100]

Not really...it's called backing his man down the post...

Who posts at the FT line?

[DubMcDub]

The problem I think we're having is that we haven't accept that the referees inordinate amount of poor decisions are an integral part of the game

Have to take the good with the bad. The Spurs have received their fair share of questionable calls over the years, as has every other NBA team. It evens out.

[Slinkyman]

I do see Dirk pushing off a bit. He's backing his man down. Not really enough to warrant a foul, but I'm not an NBA ref.

I don't think you're quite understanding my comment here. I'm not saying the refs made the ONLY right call. It was a situation that could have gone 1 of 3 ways. They picked 1, which is not necessarily any more correct than the other 2.

All I'm saying is the call was legitimate, meaning it has substantive basis in the rules. I think a no-call or possibly even an offensive foul would have also been legitimate.

But it is what it is. I really don't understand what the fascination is with bitching about the refs. If you're not willing to accept the decisions of the officials as an integral part of the game, then I seriously can't even comprehend why you watch sports (note that I'm speaking generally here and not directing this at you Kori or anyone in particular).

why the fuck are you on a spurs fan message board right now? shouldn't you be celebrating a great "legit" win? are you that much of a fucking loser you have nothing better to do than post this bullshit here?

[austinfan]

Have to take the good with the bad. The Spurs have received their fair share of questionable calls over the years, as has every other NBA team. It evens out.

You don't want to admit that your wins have been tainted by bad officiating. Fine, that's your prerogative. But you can't stop people from expressing their views on the referees if they feel like it. Deal with it.

[Kori Ellis]

(note that I'm speaking generally here and not directing this at you Kori or anyone in particular).

Oh I know you weren't directing it at me :lol because I think the Spurs lost because they couldn't get a stop, not because of the refs.

But I do think that the officials have made some horrible errors.

[dieman8686]

why the fuck are you on a spurs fan message board right now? shouldn't you be celebrating a great "legit" win? are you that much of a fucking loser you have nothing better to do than post this bullshit here?
Such nice conversations, untill the bad side of fans come in...

[DubMcDub]

why the fuck are you on a spurs fan message board right now? shouldn't you be celebrating a great "legit" win? are you that much of a fucking loser you have nothing better to do than post this bullshit here?

I'll post where I want, when I want. I'm contributing more to the conversation than you are with your unnecessarily hostile bullshit.

[SpurCapita]

Fair share of calls over the years? Well, crap, those 20 favorable calls we got in 1983 have been rearing their ugly karmalicious heads in the past 3 games.

[RON ARTEST]

Name me one time, just once, that a game playoff game was tied in the fourth at the line because of a hand check call.nets versus pacers.

[Slinkyman]

I'll post where I want, when I want. I'm contributing more to the conversation than you are with your unnecessarily hostile bullshit.

you can do whatever you want you're still a fucking loser with nothing better to do then troll spur message boards, bitch :king

[Nbadan]

Oh I know you weren't directing it at me :lol because I think the Spurs lost because they couldn't get a stop, not because of the refs.

But I do think that the officials have made some horrible errors.

I agree with Kori. What the hells happen to the Spurs D? Too many defensive breakdowns tonight. Maybe it's that this group hasn't played together often.

[DubMcDub]

you can do whatever you want you're still a fucking loser with nothing better to do then troll spur message boards, bitch :king

Ok.

[DubMcDub]

nets versus pacers.

Shhh you're ruining their fun.

[dieman8686]

Well Im out can't keep this :wakeup up any longer. Nice to talk to the true fans that aren't hostile and childish-like(
you can do whatever you want you're still a fucking loser with nothing better to do then troll spur message boards, bitch :king)
. For me the series isn't over, I know that almost all of the series have been grinded out to the end with very very close games. I will rest in peace just for today, come Wed, the Mavs are the ones down 1-3 in a must win!

[Kori Ellis]

I agree with Kori. What the hells happen to the Spurs D? Too many defensive breakdowns tonight. Maybe it's that this group hasn't played together often.

It's because they are so small and they are switching on the pick and rolls.

So Duncan ends up on Harris and Tony on Dirk. This micro-mini lineup can't defend if they switch. Right now they are escorting the Mavs to the rim.

[Slinkyman]

Well Im out can't keep this :wakeup up any longer. Nice to talk to the true fans that aren't hostile and childish-like. For me the series isn't over, I know that almost all of the series have been grinded out to the end with very very close games. I will rest in peace just for today, come Wed, the Mavs are the ones down 1-3 in a must win!

Is that why you spent so much time on a spurs boards instead of a mavs one?

[Winnipeg_Spur]

nets versus pacers.
I don't think visibly grabbing a guy's jersey is the same as a handcheck, but that was kind of a weak call, too. That one was at least a definite foul (unlike this) but you still don't usually see refs making calls at the end.

[Nbadan]

It's because they are so small and they are switching on the pick and rolls.

So Duncan ends up on Harris and Tony on Dirk. This micro-mini lineup can't defend if they switch. Right now they are escorting the Mavs to the rim.

True dat. Jason Terry was just on fire tonight, but the Spurs still gave him the right-lane too many times. The Spurs are gonna have to start Manu and keep him on Terry.