For the first time all spurs fans are in agreement?

[2centsworth]

I've never seen a time ever where every spurs fan was in agreement as to why the team lost.

[Nbadan]

Lack of D?

[Kori Ellis]

Lack of D?

:lol

I almost posted that.

[polandprzem]

Lack of D?

:tu


unfortunately.

Plus the boxscores was good for the spurs in game 4 and they still lost

[2centsworth]

Lack of D?do you mean like when Duncan drew the charge.....I mean block on Dirk? but i guess i was wrong, we are not all in agreement.


I think the spurs got robbed.

[SPARKY]

Yeah, a lack of D as a result of the shittiest officiating ever seen.

[jamezyjamez]

I think it was lack of D and Pop's insistence on leaving TD as the solo shotblocker. And people wonder how he is getting all these fouls called against him? He has to do something or the Mavs will have a layup drill. The Spurs and Bowen are great defenders in part because he funnels players toward shotblockers. Note the "s" on the end of it. Funneling guys to a solo Timmy only means foul trouble or layups. Small ball is hurting SA in more ways than one.

[GINNNNNNNNNNNNOBILI]

Yeah, a lack of D as a result of the shittiest officiating ever seen.

[shelshor]

Lack of D?
Sadly so

[SA210]

I've never seen a time ever where every spurs fan was in agreement as to why the team lost.
It's about damn time. It's so obvious.
I'd say maybe 99% are in agreement.

Refs suck!!

[Kori Ellis]

Everyone can bitch about the refs, complain about missed freethrows, and all that. But bottom line is that the Spurs can't get a stop.

Their defense is horrible right now. The mini-me lineup can't stop anyone. They switch on the pickandrolls and Duncan gets caught guarding Harris and Tony gets left on Dirk. The defense just escorts the Mavs down the lane.

I can't really blame Pop THAT much because the centers suck, but damnit the defense sucks with no bigs in the lineup (outside Tim).

But yeah, the refs missed some calls too:)

[timvp]

Spurs lose because you aren't allowed to guard free throw shooters.

:cuss

[efrem1]

Lack of D?

Bad officiating made our vaunted defense tentative and indecisive in executing their plays. Thus, the result is the lack of effective D.

[2centsworth]

you're right, but with all that being said. Without bad officiating the spurs still win.

[Nero]

Continuing a trend in these playoffs, 11 fewer posessions.

[2centsworth]

But yeah, the refs missed some calls too:)
sometimes basketball games come down to a few plays. On those plays spurs got called for fouls.

[Nbadan]

Blame the refs all you want, but if the Spurs had played Spurs D it wouldn't have even been close.

[Kori Ellis]

sometimes basketball games come down to a few plays. On those plays spurs got called for fouls.

Well how about just playing good D like the Spurs normally do, so that a few calls don't matter?

[2centsworth]

bad refs is part of sports. gotta play thru it. we couldnt
I agree 100% and have thought that way since I've been on this board. However, the past two games in the 4th qrt the officiating has been blatantly one sided. I can't ignore how bad it was for the first time in my life.

[GINNNNNNNNNNNNOBILI]

Well how about just playing good D like the Spurs normally do, so that a few calls don't matter?

It's hard to play tough D when our best Perimeter defenders are forced to watch the end of the game from the bench because they are fouled out.

[2centsworth]

Well how about just playing good D like the Spurs normally do, so that a few calls don't matter?
Spurs have to outscore them like they did phoenix. When you have evenly matched teams the margin of error is small. spurs aren't dominate enough to overcome the horrible officiating. Refs call a charge on dirk when Tim played great D, and the game is over.

[zocool16]

i wish the game had been decided by the players and not the refs

[polandprzem]

Spurs lose because you aren't allowed to guard free throw shooters.

:cuss

50% FG yea a fantastic D :rolleyes

[Kori Ellis]

It's hard to play tough D when our best Perimeter defenders are forced to watch the end of the game from the bench because they are fouled out.

No it's hard to play tough D when you are playing the smallest lineup known to man and to make it worse you are switching.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

Well how about just playing good D like the Spurs normally do, so that a few calls don't matter?
:tu: Can't rely on coming out on top with close games anymore. We're due to blow the Mavs out and that comes from our Defense. A lot of their shots were contested and still fell, especially that OT dagger at the end...Horry's right, Luck does win you playoff games. Spurs need to forget about the unfair refs, accept their cheap calls, and keep playing through.

[SPARKY]

Nah, there's no reason to play that game at this point. The Spurs are getting hosed by the refs. Maybe it's refs intimidated/inticed by Cuban. Maybe it's part of Stern's grand plan to entice more non-basketball fans to watch. Maybe the neocons in concert with Opus Dei, the Freemasons, and the CIA have determined that a Kraut NBA superstar is the first step towards global domination. I don't know. What I do know is that the officiating in this series has been horrid and has been horrid overwhelmingly for one team.

Now we can pretend that the Spurs have lost because of bad D or bad this or that or perhaps we can come to terms with the fact that the Spurs haven't been hosed like that by refs since the '79 ECF.

[Nbadan]

I agree 100% and have thought that way since I've been on this board. However, the past two games in the 4th qrt the officiating has been blatantly one sided. I can't ignore how bad it was for the first time in my life.

Blah, you haven't been watching the NBA long enough then. Official bias always go to the super-stars, most of the time to those on the defending champs. Remember when Kobe and Shaq used to get ridiculous calls during LA run? Michael Jorday before him. This is why I thought Tim needed to be more agressive tonight, and it almost worked, both of their real centers fouled out, but so did Manu.

[Borosai]

Regardless of how the Spurs are playing, they have lost the last two games because of bad calls in the closing seconds of both games. Not just bad calls...HORRIBLE calls. I'm not talking about iffy calls during the rest of the game, where a team can come back and make up for it with good play. These are last second fuck-ups that put the Spurs in the situation of making a difficult last second shot. That's the biggest difference. Bad calls early in a game can be overcome. Calls like the ones that have take the lead away in the last two games...not likely.

[SPARKY]

Since when does Dirk Nowitzki get calls against Tim Duncan and Tim Duncan can't get a call against DeSagana Flop?

[2centsworth]

Blah, you haven't been watching the NBA long enough then. Official bias always go to the super-stars, most of the time to those on the defending champs. Remember when Kobe and Shaq used to get ridiculous calls during LA run? Michael Jorday before him. This is why I thought Tim needed to be more agressive tonight, and it almost worked, both of their real centers fouled out, but so did Manu.
how do you know how long I've been watching the NBA?

I understand bias and accepted it in the laker series, but what the past two games are beyond anything I've ever seen as a long time spurs fan.

[Nbadan]

Now we can pretend that the Spurs have lost because of bad D or bad this or that or perhaps we can come to terms with the fact that the Spurs haven't been hosed like that by refs since the '79 ECF.

128 points.

[SPARKY]

It's hard to defend a free throw.

[Nbadan]

I understand bias and accepted it in the laker series, but what the past two games are beyond anything I've ever seen as a long time spurs fan.

I agree. There ought to be an investigation, but there won't. So the Spurs have to play through the bad calls.

[Nbadan]

It's hard to defend a free throw.

You get those free-throws by being agressive with the ball, and when you get to the line you make them.

[Nero]

Spurs have to outscore them like they did phoenix.

Last year we held a big advantage over Phoenix in rebounding. We had more posessions. Those were the days when Nazr wasn't in the dog house and Horry still had legs.

[SPARKY]

You get those free-throws by being agressive with the ball, and when you get to the line you make them.

Yeah, the Spurs weren't aggressive tonight. Yeah.

[Borosai]

You can play through bad calls during the majority of the game...when there is time left to make a run or to get things going again. But how the hell are they supposed to play through a horrible call in the closing seconds of a game? Make a difficult game winning shot two games in a row? Is that fair? I think not, and I think the refs should keep their crusty hands out of the outcome...they have done a shitty job.

[GINNNNNNNNNNNNOBILI]

You get those free-throws by being agressive with the ball, and when you get to the line you make them.

Yet, the Spurs were still up 5 when Nowitzki got 3 ft's after charging into Tim Duncan

[Nbadan]

But how the hell are they supposed to play through a horrible call in the closing seconds of a game?

Fustration fouls, happened 3 times in game 3 and at least once tonight. A Spurs player will get fouled and it won't be called and he'll go down-court and commit an obvious foul on D.

[2centsworth]

I agree. There ought to be an investigation, but there won't. So the Spurs have to play through the bad calls.
totally and I'm on record as saying I would be shocked if the spurs didn't come back and win this series. The bad calls is an observation of why the spurs lost. Mavs have a lot of offensive confidence and the spurs d isn't good enough to stop them. The spurs did what it took to win IMO, but they got screwed.

[Nbadan]

Yet, the Spurs were still up 5 when Nowitzki got 3 ft's after charging into Tim Duncan

You don't have to tell me about how agressive the Spurs needed to play, I called the line-up before the game, but in clutch time, how many times did Duncan get the ball into his hands in the paint in a good position? Not very many. Why? A lack of penetration and defensive break-downs.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

I remember in the Sac-Spurs Series the Refs were better at "Letting them play" and there were a ton of "No-Calls" for both sides. They even said it was the refs letting the players play through on CRUCIAL POSSESSIONS!

MAVS NEVER HAVE GOTTEN A NO CALL" FUCK MARK CUBAN... I HOPE WE BLOW HIS TEAMS ASS OUT OF THE WATER THE NEXT GAME AND HOPEFULLY THE NEXT TWO AFTER THAT! FUCK HIS INTIMIDATION TACTICS.

[polandprzem]

It's hard to defend a free throw.

FG%
Spurs 53.2%
Mavericks 50.0%

3FG%
Spurs 57.1%
Mavericks 41.7%

FT%
Spurs 81.3%
Mavericks 87.5% (both teams with 32 freethrows)

[2centsworth]

You don't have to tell me about how agressive the Spurs needed to play, I called the line-up before the game, but in clutch time, how many times did Duncan get the ball into his hands in the paint in a good position? Not very many. Why? A lack of penetration and defensive break-downs.
With all that being said, one or two bad calls would be ok. But 4 horrible calls down the stretch in the last 3 minutes is way too much.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

FG%
Spurs 53.2%
Mavericks 50.0%

3FG%
Spurs 57.1%
Mavericks 41.7%

FT%
Spurs 81.3%
Mavericks 87.5% (both teams with 32 freethrows)
Yeah but the Refs Evened out the Freethrows towards the 4th quarter for the MAVS...Then all of a sudden Tim, Manu and Bruce get into foul trouble when they've been playing pretty well as to not get too much into foul trouble? WTF? The number in the context of the situation is suspect because the calls came in the Mavs favor at CRUCIAL TIMES.

[2centsworth]

FG%
Spurs 53.2%
Mavericks 50.0%

3FG%
Spurs 57.1%
Mavericks 41.7%

FT%
Spurs 81.3%
Mavericks 87.5% (both teams with 32 freethrows)
Do you have the 4th quarter breakdown, because that's all I watched tonight.

[Nbadan]

totally and I'm on record as saying I would be shocked if the spurs didn't come back and win this series. The bad calls is an observation of why the spurs lost. Mavs have a lot of offensive confidence and the spurs d isn't good enough to stop them. The spurs did what it took to win IMO, but they got screwed.

I still think the Spurs need to put Manu on Jason Terry as sort of what is called a 'monster man', someone that follows Terry through the whole game where-ever he is on the floor. They did a better job stopping Devon Harris, at least for 3.5 quarters, but Stackhouse was incredible making up the scoring for Dallas.

[TDMVPDPOY]

lack of attackin the rim

[polandprzem]

Do you have the 4th quarter breakdown, because that's all I watched tonight.

Unfortunately not. But probably someone will do it. You can lookup the play-by-play.

All I do care is that the spurs lost nothing else. No refs no nothing. I don't care about Bavetta or Salvatore or J. Crawford even someone mentioned Javie. Man do the NBA have a one good ref in your opinion? I REALY DO NOT CARE ABOUT THAT cause in 2 years from now the fans will not be remembering how the game was called and in 10 years all what will be known is a champion. NO REFS NO BLAMING NO WHINING, NO CRYING.

[Spurologist]

Unfortunately not. But probably someone will do it. You can lookup the play-by-play.

All I do care is that the spurs lost nothing else. No refs no nothing. I don't care about Bavetta or Salvatore or J. Crawford even someone mentioned Javie. Man do the NBA have a one good ref in your opinion? I REALY DO NOT CARE ABOUT THAT cause in 2 years from now the fans will not be remembering how the game was called and in 10 years all what will be known is a champion. NO REFS NO BLAMING NO WHINING, NO CRYING.

You don't know what reality is until it hits you in the face. Yours is probably delayed. The spurs were fucked over by calls. It's that simple.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

You don't know what reality is until it hits you in the face. Yours is probably delayed. The spurs were fucked over by calls. It's that simple.
Truth.

You can act like you're above it all...but it was pretty shitty.. I don't wanna be an apologist. I'm not apologizing for the refs calls. Sure we had our opportunity, but our effort was equal to the Mavs. The Refs should not impose their impacts by coddling certain teams and players, especially during close games. The Mavs got the charity stripe too much for people to ignore. Even non-fans can see the egregiousness in some of the calls...It was too much.

[polandprzem]

You don't know what reality is until it hits you in the face. Yours is probably delayed. The spurs were fucked over by calls. It's that simple.

And now fucking what?!

They will give the spurs a win cause the spursfans, somefans, some experts thinks the game was called bad?

NO!

The series is still 1-3 but all you can see on this board is :blah :blah :blah on the refs. Plus :blah :blah :blah from fans questioning other fans not to be ones cause they think differently.

Grow fucking up people!

[Spurologist]

And now fucking what?!

They will give the spurs a win cause the spursfans, somefans, some experts thinks the game was called bad?

NO!

The series is still 1-3 but all you can see on this board is :blah :blah :blah on the refs. Plus :blah :blah :blah from fans questioning other fans not to be ones cause they think differently.

Grow fucking up people!

Your ignorance on the subject matter is showing. I was the one that came up with a no excuses thread after game 3 because I wanted to give Dallas props. But hell froze over in this game my friend. Stop watching World's Strongest Man and get a tape of the game. Anything to the contrary of horrible BS calls is fucking ludicrous.