Question?

[sickdsm]

If the spurs lose this series, does Tim Duncan deserve to be crushed for not "stepping up" even though he's putting up great numbers?

Just wondering if this a KG only bias or if those nuts swing both ways.

[DarrinS]

wtf?

[pache100]

If the spurs lose this series, does Tim Duncan deserve to be crushed for not "stepping up" even though he's putting up great numbers?

Just wondering if this a KG only bias or if those nuts swing both ways.

No, he doesn't. Because he didn't not "step up". In many instances, he was the ONLY guy "stepping up". What the hell were you watching?

[FromWayDowntown]

Tim Duncan has been out of this world in this series. He had nothing to do with the turnover at the end of Game 3. He had a good look at the end of Game 4 and didn't pass it up to a teammate, unlike some other all-star PFs in the league.

Duncan has been the best player on the floor for most of this series.

[td4mvp21]

If the spurs lose this series, does Tim Duncan deserve to be crushed for not "stepping up" even though he's putting up great numbers?

Just wondering if this a KG only bias or if those nuts swing both ways.

Nope, KG will never compare to Duncan's greatness. He missed a game winner SO THE FUCK WHAT. There was no one else I wanted to take that shot besides Duncan. He's done so much for us.

[fitzgerald]

uh, if you don't want Timmy anymore, we will take him.
Duncan has always been the difference for years. For a
Spur's fan to question Duncan is absolutely crazy! You
can not question Ginobili either. Parker played great but
did turn the ball over quite a bit. He may have scored
33 but gave 10 points back. San Antonio is trying and
are showing heart. Can't ask for more.

[sickdsm]

Pawns are all falling in line.


Of course he doesn't, but he is merely doing what KG has always done but not got any of the critisim of it. Dirk would be getting killed publicly had everything been the same except his team down 3-1. So would KG, so would Lebron, so would Nash, so would Brand.

Critisim is more valid in this case than ANY other i mentioned because the Spurs team is so loaded compared to any of these guys. Just admit that the same losers that detract from great players putting up great numbers but still unable to win need a tall glass of STFU and admit they're hypocrits OR need to rag on Tim like they've done so incorrectly in the past with others.

"it doesn't matter if KG puts up 50/20/10, the burden's on him that there not winning in the playoffs"

-Majority of spurs fans in years past

[sickdsm]

Tim Duncan has been out of this world in this series. He had nothing to do with the turnover at the end of Game 3. He had a good look at the end of Game 4 and didn't pass it up to a teammate, unlike some other all-star PFs in the league.

Duncan has been the best player on the floor for most of this series.




:lol Bragging about not hitting a game winner?

[td4mvp21]

Pawns are all falling in line.


Of course he doesn't, but he is merely doing what KG has always done but not got any of the critisim of it. Dirk would be getting killed publicly had everything been the same except his team down 3-1. So would KG, so would Lebron, so would Nash, so would Brand.

Critisim is more valid in this case than ANY other i mentioned because the Spurs team is so loaded compared to any of these guys. Just admit that the same losers that detract from great players putting up great numbers but still unable to win need a tall glass of STFU and admit they're hypocrits OR need to rag on Tim like they've done so incorrectly in the past with others.

"it doesn't matter if KG puts up 50/20/10, the burden's on him that there not winning in the playoffs"

-Majority of spurs fans in years past

We have won in several years you idiot. This year, we are facing a very strong team,perhaps even better. You can't be the best every year bitch ass. We have won, Duncan's the reason. Does some blame fall on him if we don't repeat? To some point, yes, but in reality, he is doing everything he can to help us win. It's not like he's tanking.

[pache100]

:lol Bragging about not hitting a game winner?

How's the fishin' goin'? Catchin' anything? Cap'n Kenny being nice to ya?

[leemajors]

might be a valid question if timmy only had limited run year after year in the playoffs, but duncan has 3 finals mvps to show for his career postseason efforts.

[strangeweather]

"it doesn't matter if KG puts up 50/20/10, the burden's on him that there not winning in the playoffs"

-Majority of spurs fans in years past


I respect the hell out of KG. But legends are made in the playoffs.

If the Spurs end up losing this year, so be it. But who the hell goes around saying "Larry Bird sucks -- look at all those years he didn't win titles"? Duncan has rings, and not winning one every year doesn't change that.

[sickdsm]

Might as well bring up Mikan and the Mps lakers.


We're talking about THIS series. No where do i see threads bashing Timmy's play in whole. Hell, how many times has pop, Parker,Horry, NVE, Finley, Barry and Manu been dissed already? Haven't any of those guys proved themselves in the past before?


In this series, even though duncan has performed brialliantly, its not enough. Obviously the blame shouldn't lie with him but by spurs reasoning in the past, SPURS FANS REASONING SAYS TIM DUNCAN IS TO BLAME for the 1-3 deficiet.


And Strange, your reasoning is strange in itself, i'm not saying "look, tim's team is failing,he must suck" I'm saying in this year's WC semi matchup, why are the spurs down 1-3? Tim needs to be held accountable just as much as this board held other phenomonal athletes accountable, even if it be falsely.


LeBron would be raked over the coals if they were to be swept even though it didn't look very farfetched for that to happan.

[td4mvp21]

Might as well bring up Mikan and the Mps lakers.


We're talking about THIS series. No where do i see threads bashing Timmy's play in whole. Hell, how many times has pop, Parker,Horry, NVE, Finley, Barry and Manu been dissed already? Haven't any of those guys proved themselves in the past before?


In this series, even though duncan has performed brialliantly, its not enough. Obviously the blame shouldn't lie with him but by spurs reasoning in the past, SPURS FANS REASONING SAYS TIM DUNCAN IS TO BLAME for the 1-3 deficiet.


And Strange, your reasoning is strange in itself, i'm not saying "look, tim's team is failing,he must suck" I'm saying in this year's WC semi matchup, why are the spurs down 1-3? Tim needs to be held accountable just as much as this board held other phenomonal athletes accountable, even if it be falsely.


LeBron would be raked over the coals if they were to be swept even though it didn't look very farfetched for that to happan.

Bitch, give it up, you have no arguement. It's annoying really.

[uwe blab 2]

Tim Duncan has been awesome this series. I think it has more to do with the surrounding cast. The Spurs got much older this season by taking on Finley, NVE, and Barry.

[sickdsm]

How's the fishin' goin'? Catchin' anything? Cap'n Kenny being nice to ya?



I don't fish. But next time try to be a little more creative than something you saw overplayed on TV.

Maybe, good thing MLB is going so you have time to watch the Twins before there out of the pennant race or something along those lines.


But you shouldn't use the above example, it will just lend credibility to my theory of you being non-creative.

[sickdsm]

Bitch, give it up, you have no arguement. It's annoying really.


Isn't everthing when the BAMA's are in full force after gameday?

[SpursWoman]

uh, if you don't want Timmy anymore, we will take him.
Duncan has always been the difference for years. For a
Spur's fan to question Duncan is absolutely crazy! You
can not question Ginobili either. Parker played great but
did turn the ball over quite a bit. He may have scored
33 but gave 10 points back. San Antonio is trying and
are showing heart. Can't ask for more.

sickdsm is a T-Wolves fan ...

[Spurologist]

If the spurs lose this series, does Tim Duncan deserve to be crushed for not "stepping up" even though he's putting up great numbers?

Just wondering if this a KG only bias or if those nuts swing both ways.

http://www.kevingarnett.com/images/gallery/offcourt_fishing.jpg

KG is lonely out there.

[CosmicCowboy]

If Tims team couldn't even make the playoffs two years in a row like KG's, I would probably be as bitter as you are...:lol

[nkdlunch]

Tim Duncan has turned Maverick's 2 "great centers :rolleyes" into 5 cent hookers.

KG would just have pissed his panties

[T Park]

Duncan is no where NEAR to blame, for whats going on.

Stupidass thread.

[leemajors]

i like that new gatorade commercial with garnett, jeter, manning, etc. but it is kinda creepy!

[ducks]

this is the second round not round one
tony was hurt game 1-3 also
hard to make up for your starting allstar point guard hurt

[strangeweather]

Obviously the blame shouldn't lie with him but by spurs reasoning in the past, SPURS FANS REASONING SAYS TIM DUNCAN IS TO BLAME for the 1-3 deficiet.

I don't think KG is to blame for all the Wolves' failures. Some really good players never get rings.

Honestly, I think it will be a shame if he never gets good enough guys around him to prove what he can do in a title series. But it won't change the fact that he won't have done it.

[RON ARTEST]

How's the fishin' goin'? Catchin' anything? Cap'n Kenny being nice to ya?
well your gonna be joining us in a couple days so i wouldnt be saying much right now if i was you buddy. you act like your actually gonna win a title this year. not with that old slow team you got.

[T Park]

Hmm

Spurs 3

Kings 0


Yeah, keep running smack asshat.

[mavsfan1000]

Tim Duncan has turned Maverick's 2 "great centers :rolleyes" into 5 cent hookers.

KG would just have pissed his panties
They aren't double teaming him. Duncan is unstoppable when single teamed. There isn't 2 other players in the league that I would rather have guard Duncan without help defense than Dampier and Diop. Duncan is 100% and very angry and it has brought the best out of him. The spurs small ball though has made it hard for the mavs to double team Duncan because of the spacing.

[sickdsm]

Tim Duncan has turned Maverick's 2 "great centers :rolleyes" into 5 cent hookers.

KG would just have pissed his panties



Tim Duncan has also turned Spurs 2 "great centers" into no shows.

[sickdsm]

this is the second round not round one
tony was hurt game 1-3 also
hard to make up for your starting allstar point guard hurt


Fair enough, except that that excuse did not work when sam Cassell was too hurt to play, why should i honor that now?

[sickdsm]

People need to learn how to comprehend allitle bit more. I never said Tim's the reason. What i am saying is YOU people should be saying that based on past expereiences with this board.

[FromWayDowntown]

:lol Bragging about not hitting a game winner?

No -- acknowledging that unlike KG, who has shied away from taking that shot in many situations by passing the ball to teammates, Timmy took the shot and accepted that it might not fall. I'd much rather have a guy who's willing to take that shot than a guy who's more comfortable passing it up and hiding behind excuses.

Ultimately, the difference between the analysis of Tim Duncan in this series and KG in any other series is that Timmy has pelts on his wall that are there because he dominated when it mattered most. That the Spurs have even had an opportunity to win games in this series has largely been because of how well Tim Duncan has played. He's been the best player on the floor in 3 of the 4 games. I'm not sure that you can always say that about KG in a playoff setting.

[sickdsm]

Fair enough, the rest of the league, except for the bobcats has generally been able to say that about the pistons the past few years also. Tim knows and so does Larry O'brien that being the best player on the floor means little.


You go on blaming your star studded supporting cast and i'll blame my troy hudson's of the world and we'll see who has a better case?

[The Sports Philosopher]

Sick,

If I understand you rightly, you're claiming that Duncan deserves the same kind of criticism as Garnett for putting up tremendous numbers but falling short (if the Spurs end up losing the series) in the playoffs.

Two responses:

First, when you get your numbers is extremely important: Duncan has played very well in the clutch this series, not just in quarters 1-3. Hence, I think this alleviates some of the criticism you want to lay upon him. But your point, in one sense, is well-taken: if the Spurs ultimately lose this series, Duncan, as the foundation of and best player on the team, ought to receive a large portion of the blame. That's part of what it means to be the leader of the team.

But second, I've never thought to criticize Garnett for a single series, or for a single game, in the way you're suggesting Duncan should be evaluated. Garnett has a history of coming up short of victory in the playoffs, sometimes not even making the playoffs. That's the proper basis for criticism of Garnett, and the most common negative evaluation I hear made about him. Duncan doesn't share that same kind of history, hence he's not subject to that same kind of criticism. If Garnett turns things around the latter part of his career and establishes a culture of winning in Minnesota, he'll no longer be subject to that criticism either.

[sickdsm]

KG has never lost to a lower team except the year when Shaq and Kobe came on late and were looking to 4 peat. Even then you can look up what there second best player Wally did in the playoffs. I'm not claming that Duncan deserves the same kind of criticism as Garnett for putting up tremendous numbers but falling short (if the Spurs end up losing the series) in the playoffs., i'm saying that Duncan deserves the same kind of criticism as Garnett for putting up tremendous numbers but falling short (if the Spurs end up losing the series) in this SERIES. Big difference.


This isn't Detroit/san antonio. This is guys like Devin harris, josh howard and Diop winning. There's a big difference too. Take away Dirk and Avery and you have a Wizards minus Arenas, a chicago team. Nothing bad but nothing special at all.

Take away Tim preseason and you still have a championship contender, although the second tier much like Miami is considered now.



For the record, i want the spurs to win, as much as i wanted them to struggle, i in no way want Cuban to go home a winner.

[FromWayDowntown]

Fair enough, the rest of the league, except for the bobcats has generally been able to say that about the pistons the past few years also. Tim knows and so does Larry O'brien that being the best player on the floor means little.


You go on blaming your star studded supporting cast and i'll blame my troy hudson's of the world and we'll see who has a better case?

I'm not blaming my star-studded supporting cast. You asked why Tim isn't taking the heat that you think KG has gotten in the past. I gave you a reason why that isn't happening. You convert that into a criticism of Tim's teammates, which it never was.