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picnroll
05-18-2006, 12:44 AM
Finley was pissed as hell at the end where he, Manu and Terry were on the floor in that tie up. Finley got up and had to be restrained by Duncan. Somebody said it was because Terry punched him and it was caught on camera. If Terry did punch Finley won't he be suspended.

2centsworth
05-18-2006, 12:44 AM
he punched him in the nuts

infinite styles
05-18-2006, 12:45 AM
doubt it but you can see finley kinda jerk back like he took a shot in the gut.

spurs=bling
05-18-2006, 12:45 AM
yes he did. we rewinded that part like 5 times and he did punch him the nuts.

Budkin
05-18-2006, 12:46 AM
You could clearly see in the replay that he punched him in the balls. Why doesn't Pop take that footage to the front office and get his ass suspended ala Cuban?

Viva Las Espuelas
05-18-2006, 12:46 AM
i didnt see it, but i'm interested.

SPARKY
05-18-2006, 12:47 AM
Terry is a bitch ass punk. I don't necessarily loathe all of the Mavs but Terry's at the top of my list. I'm glad he choked on the shot at the end. Not surprising that he would resort to something so crass.

SA210
05-18-2006, 12:47 AM
I'll look at the replay, but if he did, SUSPENSION, send it in Pop.

infinite styles
05-18-2006, 12:48 AM
there probably won't be enough evidence to warrant a suspension. and pop is too above all that to make it an issue.

rayray2k8
05-18-2006, 12:49 AM
Its in the heat of the game man, they're just battling to win, thats all.

cbinge
05-18-2006, 12:52 AM
did you'll notice the way he was opening his mouth after he was making shots, I thought he was preparing to get a big one shoved down it. faggot

SA Gunslinger
05-18-2006, 12:54 AM
Its in the heat of the game man, they're just battling to win, thats all.

Bullshit. If the video shows Terry punching Fin in the nutz, he will be suspended. The only reason Reggie Evans didn't get suspended for the Chris Kaman incident is because he didn't really punch, he grabbed.

2centsworth
05-18-2006, 12:54 AM
Its in the heat of the game man, they're just battling to win, thats all.
no excuse for punching someone in the nuts.

Mr. Peabody
05-18-2006, 12:56 AM
did you'll notice the way he was opening his mouth after he was making shots, I thought he was preparing to get a big one shoved down it. faggot

Are you posting from a prison?

cbinge
05-18-2006, 12:59 AM
Are you posting from a prison?

No, Austin

SPARKY
05-18-2006, 01:00 AM
*rimshot*

er...

kg_veteran
05-18-2006, 01:01 AM
I can't believe anybody wants Terry suspended. That's cowardly, IMO.

LilMissSPURfect
05-18-2006, 01:02 AM
the "nowitski" tapes too...kicking ball into the stands!!!!! AVERY & CUBAN ON THE COURT DURING PLAY AS WELL!!!!

SA210
05-18-2006, 01:06 AM
the "nowitski" tapes too...kicking ball into the stands!!!!! AVERY & CUBAN ON THE COURT DURING PLAY AS WELL!!!!
Really?

Trainwreck2100
05-18-2006, 01:09 AM
No, Austin

Are you a Mavs fan?

Tigole Bitties
05-18-2006, 01:10 AM
Jason Terry is a cocky ass punk.

Diop also had a Reggie Evans relapse on that one play where TD fumbled the ball near the ankles. I saw some swiping around the jewels.

Winnipeg_Spur
05-18-2006, 01:12 AM
I can't believe anybody wants Terry suspended. That's cowardly, IMO.
If there's video evidence of Terry throwing a punch it doesn't matter what anyone "wants," he'll be suspended. If such evidence doesn't exist, he won't be. It's that simple.

The sone
05-18-2006, 01:13 AM
yup it was a nutty...i say fine em and give him a dose of "patela justice!!"...

SPARKY
05-18-2006, 01:14 AM
I can't believe anybody wants Terry suspended. That's cowardly, IMO.

I guess it'll be coo' for someone to hit Stackhouse in the junk in Game 6, eh?

Buddy Holly
05-18-2006, 01:14 AM
I can't believe anybody wants Terry suspended. That's cowardly, IMO.

First off, it's actually a rule, an intentional punch is an automatic suspention.

Second, you're gonna fucking tell me your lame ass owner wouldn't have dvd'd that in ultra dolby surround sound to get the sounds of the nuts being impacted as well as in ultra HD as to see every hair of the knuckle and sent it to the league as well as CC;d it to every media outlet from here to China if it were a Spurs playing punching a Mavs player.

:lol :lol :lol

spurs=bling
05-18-2006, 01:15 AM
Jason Terry is a cocky ass punk.

Diop also had a Reggie Evans relapse on that one play where TD fumbled the ball near the ankles. I saw some swiping around the jewels.
yeah i saw that too. Timmay will score more in the next game just for that. and Mike will go off because of that action too.

kg_veteran
05-18-2006, 01:15 AM
If there's video evidence of Terry throwing a punch it doesn't matter what anyone "wants," he'll be suspended. If such evidence doesn't exist, he won't be. It's that simple.

Well, the "evidence" may not be as clear-cut as you think. They were all on the floor scrambling. I doubt there's conclusive video footage.

timvp
05-18-2006, 01:16 AM
You Spurs fans better not be making this crap up. If Terry actually punched him in the crank, he'll get suspended. If this is Spurs fans overblowing it, nothing will happen.

I haven't looked at the tape yet. Did he punch?

Believe.

:fingerscrossedbecausespurscanuseallthehelptheycan get

SilverPlayer
05-18-2006, 01:17 AM
Its funny people seem to think the TV screen covers the only camera rolling footage for a game. There are alot of cameras in the arena, and if it was a punch it will show up. Whether the spurs send the footage for the review is up to them.

jman3000
05-18-2006, 01:17 AM
Second, you're gonna fucking tell me your lame ass owner wouldn't have dvd'd that in ultra dolby surround sound to get the sounds of the nuts being impacted


That one had me rolling :rollin :rollin

MannyIsGod
05-18-2006, 01:18 AM
First off, it's actually a rule, an intentional punch is an automatic suspention.

Second, you're gonna fucking tell me your lame ass owner wouldn't have dvd'd that in ultra dolby surround sound to get the sounds of the nuts being impacted as well as in ultra HD as to see every hair of the knuckle and sent it to the league as well as CC;d it to every media outlet from here to China if it were a Spurs playing punching a Mavs player.

:lol :lol :lol:lmao x 30483094830948304839048304

Best Buddy Holly post ever.

Mr. Peabody
05-18-2006, 01:19 AM
You Spurs fans better not be making this crap up. If Terry actually punched him in the crank, he'll get suspended. If this is Spurs fans overblowing it, nothing will happen.

I haven't looked at the tape yet. Did he punch?

Believe.

:fingerscrossedbecausespurscanuseallthehelptheycan get

I didn't see the punch, but I saw Bowen restraining Finley and Finley was yelling "He punched me!"

katyon6th
05-18-2006, 01:20 AM
Second, you're gonna fucking tell me your lame ass owner wouldn't have dvd'd that in ultra dolby surround sound to get the sounds of the nuts being impacted as well as in ultra HD as to see every hair of the knuckle and sent it to the league as well as CC;d it to every media outlet from here to China if it were a Spurs playing punching a Mavs player.



Oh my. :lmao

SPARKY
05-18-2006, 01:21 AM
Finley was going nuclear. Now I understand. That would be fitting for Terry to get his ass thrown out of a game for something that incredibly stupid.

SPARKY
05-18-2006, 01:22 AM
Cuban would be all over that like Liberace on the cabana boy.

cbinge
05-18-2006, 01:22 AM
Are you a Mavs fan?

I believe I just called Jason Terry a faggot in my previous/previous post. Maybe that's why he was going for fin's large nuts.

I've always thought of Finley as really nuttin up in the playoffs, hopefully his will continue to grow....

oh and fuck the mavs

jman3000
05-18-2006, 01:29 AM
any pictures surface yet?

Mr. Peabody
05-18-2006, 01:31 AM
I believe I just called Jason Terry a faggot in my previous/previous post. Maybe that's why he was going for fin's large nuts.


Austin, huh?

braeden0613
05-18-2006, 01:31 AM
First off, it's actually a rule, an intentional punch is an automatic suspention.

Second, you're gonna fucking tell me your lame ass owner wouldn't have dvd'd that in ultra dolby surround sound to get the sounds of the nuts being impacted as well as in ultra HD as to see every hair of the knuckle and sent it to the league as well as CC;d it to every media outlet from here to China if it were a Spurs playing punching a Mavs player.

:lol :lol :lol
:lol :lol

cbinge
05-18-2006, 01:35 AM
Austin, huh?

metaphor

milkyway21
05-18-2006, 01:37 AM
Finley was pissed as hell at the end where he, Manu and Terry were on the floor in that tie up. Finley got up and had to be restrained by Duncan. Somebody said it was because Terry punched him and it was caught on camera. If Terry did punch Finley won't he be suspended.what?

SUSPEND! SUSPEND!

Mr. Peabody
05-18-2006, 01:38 AM
metaphor

I'm just f--king around with you man.

After that three he hit in game 4, I feel Finley deserves the "Big Nuts" title on the team. TP hasn't lived up to it lately.

gameFACE
05-18-2006, 01:39 AM
I was wondering what happened. I was at the game and just remember Bowen taking Finley away. He looked pissed. As much as the league was cracking down in Round 1 on intentional blows it wouldn't surprise me if there was a suspension.

The Mavs have to be careful not to lose their cool or that will play right into the Spurs hands.

cbinge
05-18-2006, 01:47 AM
I'm just f--king around with you man.

After that three he hit in game 4, I feel Finley deserves the "Big Nuts" title on the team. TP hasn't lived up to it lately.


Yea I know, but seriously Finley while on the mavericks I always felt would really nut up in the playoffs- I remember a 1/18 game he had once. It's his time for a little redemption.

MannyIsGod
05-18-2006, 01:49 AM
Ok, seriously. Those who have seen the replay, what happend?

Kori Ellis
05-18-2006, 01:49 AM
LJ is watching it now. I'm sure he'll be here in a couple minutes with a report :lol

2centsworth
05-18-2006, 01:51 AM
Juevos Rancheros, saw it once but I'm convinced.

T Park
05-18-2006, 01:52 AM
TP hasn't lived up to it lately.

33 in game 4 and 27 tonight?

God, what the fuck else does the guy gotta fucking do!???!

Good freakin lord!!!!

MannyIsGod
05-18-2006, 01:53 AM
LJ votes NAY.

timvp
05-18-2006, 01:53 AM
:lmao

Terry didn't punch him. WTF?

Finley's crank is above Terry's head. Terry might have hit him below the belt, but it wasn't on purpose.

Make me got excited for nothing :pctoss

2centsworth
05-18-2006, 01:54 AM
Dude Finely almost got a technical for nothing.

RON ARTEST
05-18-2006, 01:56 AM
First off, it's actually a rule, an intentional punch is an automatic suspention.

Second, you're gonna fucking tell me your lame ass owner wouldn't have dvd'd that in ultra dolby surround sound to get the sounds of the nuts being impacted as well as in ultra HD as to see every hair of the knuckle and sent it to the league as well as CC;d it to every media outlet from here to China if it were a Spurs playing punching a Mavs player.

:lol :lol :lol
OMG! that is the funniest post i have read on this forum since i joined.

Buddy Holly
05-18-2006, 01:57 AM
LJ, could you YouTube the video and then send me the link?

gospursgojas
05-18-2006, 02:00 AM
Terry DID punch Finley... I rewinded it like 20 times....you cant tell where exactly, but by Fin's reaction I think it was in the nuts

I dont think Terry will get suspended though, bc 1. Hes on the Mavs, and 2. you cant hardly see it...at least from the angle on the tv

gospursgojas
05-18-2006, 02:09 AM
:lmao

Terry didn't punch him. WTF?

Finley's crank is above Terry's head. Terry might have hit him below the belt, but it wasn't on purpose.

Make me got excited for nothing :pctoss

Are you sure.... watch it again

milkyway21
05-18-2006, 02:09 AM
why would Finley lie he was punched if there was no contact at all?

J.T.
05-18-2006, 02:11 AM
Yeah I want to see this for myself too. Is there a video of it? If he did punch, suspend his ass. No sense in doing it to Artest and Bell and not to Terry.

timvp
05-18-2006, 02:12 AM
The only reason to think that Finley gets punched in the junk is because of Finley's reaction. Unless Finley had a crotch cam during the game, Terry is safe from even a fine.

Even with that said crotch cam, it looks like to me that Terry was just trying to get up. Finley's junk was over his head and behind him. How was he going to reach back and punch the twins?

timvp
05-18-2006, 02:12 AM
why would Finley lie he was punched if there was no contact at all?

There was contact but it wasn't a bunch to the jewels. Actually, it kind of looks like it was head to jewel contact.

gospursgojas
05-18-2006, 02:13 AM
why would Finley lie he was punched if there was no contact at all?

:tu Yeah and risk getting a T and letting the Mavs tie the game up on a free throw. Fin isn't that stupid.... Terry must have puched him, if not in the balls in the gut, Finley wouldnt have been that stupid for nothing....

timvp
05-18-2006, 02:13 AM
:tu Yeah and risk getting a T and letting the Mavs tie the game up on a free throw. Fin isn't that stupid.... Terry must have puched him, if not in the balls in the gut, Finley wouldnt have been that stupid for nothing....

Finley couldn't see what happened. I'm sure he got hit but the way they were positioned, it's impossible that it was on purpose.

Carie
05-18-2006, 02:13 AM
Finley's junk was over his head and behind him. How was he going to reach back and punch the twins?
Believe me, it can be done, even if on accident. :depressed

I'd love to see this tape.

2centsworth
05-18-2006, 02:14 AM
Finley leaned up and smothered Terry and you can see the punch between Finley's legs. Finley went off after that. Jett did it out of frustration. I don't think he should be suspended, just fined.

gospursgojas
05-18-2006, 02:14 AM
You could see it happens right before the camera angle changes probally only 3 or 4 frames before

You are watching the 2nd jump ball right???

gospursgojas
05-18-2006, 02:15 AM
Finley couldn't see what happened. I'm sure he got hit but the way they were positioned, it's impossible that it was on purpose.

No you can tell in Terry's face afterwards that he knew what he did and it was intentional...

Buddy Holly
05-18-2006, 02:16 AM
jas, could you upload the video to youtube? I can find it via keywords.

timvp
05-18-2006, 02:17 AM
There's no way Terry gets suspended. There's no camera angle possible to show anything in that scrum.

J.T.
05-18-2006, 02:18 AM
Email the league office I said.

http://www.nba.com/webAction?actionId=surveyInitialize&target=/email_us/email_form_041027.jsp&surveyId=1152

gospursgojas
05-18-2006, 02:19 AM
There's no way Terry gets suspended. There's no camera angle possible to show anything in that scrum.

Yeah I dont think he will get suspended, but he did punch him



jas, could you upload the video to youtube? I can find it via keywords.

I dont know how its on my DVR

Buddy Holly
05-18-2006, 02:20 AM
There's no way Terry gets suspended. There's no camera angle possible to show anything in that scrum.

There's tons of different camera angles.

From TNT's cameras to local news stations cameras.

Buddy Holly
05-18-2006, 02:20 AM
LJ, could you youtube it. No need to link, we'll just keyword it.

gospursgojas
05-18-2006, 02:22 AM
Dont be suprised if you see a hard foul the first chance Fin gets at Terry....

Buddy Holly
05-18-2006, 02:25 AM
How ironic was it that Bowen was the one holding Finley back and telling him to not retaliate.

gospursgojas
05-18-2006, 02:27 AM
Speaking of puches, and off the subject as well, but did y'all see Damon Jones get clocked by his own teammate

timvp
05-18-2006, 02:28 AM
I don't have the goods to put it onto youtube from tivo.

SPARKY
05-18-2006, 02:30 AM
I'm glad Finley didn't end up with a T.

shelshor
05-18-2006, 02:30 AM
I can't believe anybody wants Terry suspended. That's cowardly, IMO.
So's punching someone in the nuts

ManuTim_best of Fwiendz
05-18-2006, 02:30 AM
I hope the league reviews it....Wait so this happened after the game was done???

gospursgojas
05-18-2006, 02:31 AM
I hope the league reviews it....Wait so this happened after the game was done???

No it happend during the scrum on the floor that lead to the 2nd jump ball at the end of the game

J.T.
05-18-2006, 02:32 AM
I hope the league reviews it....Wait so this happened after the game was done???

It happened during the play before the 2nd jumpball. Dirk tips to Terry, Fin tries to get lose ball and then Manu ties it up for Jumpball 2. But Fin was right there with Manu and that's when Terry hit him, or so everyone is saying. I haven't seen it yet either.

dav4463
05-18-2006, 02:38 AM
Speaking of puches, and off the subject as well, but did y'all see Damon Jones get clocked by his own teammate

That was weird ! Jones got popped pretty good.

RonMexico
05-18-2006, 02:39 AM
I tried to rewind it and watch it, but Manu is kind of blocking a direct look - you can definitely see Finely kinda jump and get really mad at Terry, but I couldn't see Terry's full arm movement... not like I'm doubting he'd be the kind of pussy to pull a stunt like that.

On another note, is anyone else sick of his stupid fucking faces after every shot he makes? Like when he hits a wide-open 15 ft jumper and then is holding his mouth open like he's some tough guy roaring or whatever. I'd hope he could make those kinds of shots consistently by now or else he's a pretty lame starting PG.

DuncanInYourFace
05-18-2006, 02:40 AM
That's because Terry is a real OG: http://youtube.com/watch?v=9flC3GZm2lU&search=jason%20terry


HAHAHAHA

ManuTim_best of Fwiendz
05-18-2006, 02:42 AM
It happened during the play before the 2nd jumpball. Dirk tips to Terry, Fin tries to get lose ball and then Manu ties it up for Jumpball 2. But Fin was right there with Manu and that's when Terry hit him, or so everyone is saying. I haven't seen it yet either.
oh alright... damn, right in the nads?? Finley's got some composure..

dav4463
05-18-2006, 02:42 AM
33 in game 4 and 27 tonight?

God, what the fuck else does the guy gotta fucking do!???!

Good freakin lord!!!!


Couldn't agree more. Tony has been a warrior and Spurs fans are not showing him the respect he deserves. He isn't perfect, but I wouldn't trade him for any other point guard in this league.

gospursgojas
05-18-2006, 02:43 AM
oh alright... damn, right in the nads?? Finley's got some composure..

No it took Tim and Bruce to grab him by his jersey and beg him not to go after Terry

SA Gunslinger
05-18-2006, 02:46 AM
How ironic was it that Bowen was the one holding Finley back and telling him to not retaliate.

Someone should write a story about it and ask Finley if he was indeed punched. That will bring attention to it and if there is an angle to review, they will.

ManuTim_best of Fwiendz
05-18-2006, 02:53 AM
No it took Tim and Bruce to grab him by his jersey and beg him not to go after Terry
That too...:lol

gospursgojas
05-18-2006, 03:15 AM
OHH SHIT!!!

LJ watch the replay of the scrum on the floor to cause the 2nd jump ball... its from a different camera angle and you can see Terrys arm go up and then Fin's shorts move, I mean his balls practacly hit the back of his shorts :lol j/k, but if you look at the in game camera angle and then the replay angle you can tell he hits him in the nuts....

I was already in bed and rewatching this and had to hop out of bed to tell you guys

gospursgojas
05-18-2006, 03:23 AM
ahh well hopfully the league will review it.....

ginobme
05-18-2006, 06:52 AM
still no video? Damn, I couldn't tell from TNTs camera angle. Finley was "mouthing" he punched me!

NoMoneyDown
05-18-2006, 07:04 AM
Anyone have a link to a short clip they can post?

2centsworth
05-18-2006, 07:58 AM
That's because Terry is a real OG: http://youtube.com/watch?v=9flC3GZm2lU&search=jason%20terry


HAHAHAHA
That's extortion worthy.

SpursWoman
05-18-2006, 08:05 AM
*rimshot*

er...


:lol :lol

SpursWoman
05-18-2006, 08:08 AM
:lmao x 30483094830948304839048304

Best Buddy Holly post ever.



I agree. :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

JustSpurs
05-18-2006, 08:14 AM
Does anyone else remember a few years back when Horry slapped David in the yam bag TWICE during the playoffs?

Jimcs50
05-18-2006, 08:15 AM
Horry sees no problem with Jason punching Michael in the balls.

Finley's balls probably got knocked into the same corner of the arena that DRob's did back in 03. I think they will find them, and all will be right again.

:)

Jimcs50
05-18-2006, 08:16 AM
Does anyone else remember a few years back when Horry slapped David in the yam bag TWICE during the playoffs?


Damn, I just made the same post you did at the same time.

That is too funny.

Carie
05-18-2006, 08:17 AM
Does anyone else remember a few years back when Horry slapped David in the yam bag TWICE during the playoffs?
Do you remember the look on Timmy's face afterwards? That was priceless.

Jimcs50
05-18-2006, 08:19 AM
Do you remember the look on Timmy's face afterwards? That was priceless.


Nice rack, Carrie.

:smokin

JustSpurs
05-18-2006, 08:20 AM
Damn, I just made the same post you did at the same time.

That is too funny.
"Great minds....gather no moss"

Carie
05-18-2006, 08:29 AM
Nice rack, Carrie.

:smokin
Thanks Jim :)

Of course, typical man, looking at my breasts and not my face, I mean name :lol

Jimcs50
05-18-2006, 08:29 AM
"Great minds....gather no moss"


No no no, Great minds get the worm, you idiot.





:)

ObiwanGinobili
05-18-2006, 08:37 AM
Its in the heat of the game man, they're just battling to win, thats all.


battliong to win is one thing. but punching a guy in the nuts is totally different.
It's not "ok". Thats low down and dirty. Underhanded, disrespectable.


but I agree with a previous poster. Pop is no the kind to review this video and run to the leaguie crying about it. Pop will let it go, and just kick Terry's (and Dallas's) ass on the court.

Shank
05-18-2006, 08:39 AM
battliong to win is one thing. but punching a guy in the nuts is totally different.
It's not "ok". Thats low down and dirty. Underhanded, disrespectable.


but I agree with a previous poster. Pop is no the kind to review this video and run to the leaguie crying about it. Pop will let it go, and just kick Terry's (and Dallas's) ass on the court.

Maybe he should have waited to tack it onto the end of the Game 4 tape they sent into the league for review.

Jimcs50
05-18-2006, 08:40 AM
Thanks Jim :)

Of course, typical man, looking at my breasts and not my face, I mean name :lol



sorry for the extra "r" I do not know why I am seeing double.


:angel

Spurs Dynasty
05-18-2006, 08:41 AM
Its in the heat of the game man, they're just battling to win, thats all.

Dude! He punched him in the nuts !

NoMoneyDown
05-18-2006, 09:41 AM
Still no video link? Not even a still shot? Anyone?

ObiwanGinobili
05-18-2006, 09:48 AM
Maybe he should have waited to tack it onto the end of the Game 4 tape they sent into the league for review.


thisis about an individual player punching someone in the nuts. not game play.
thats a personal move.

and history shows that pop leaves that personal shit alone.

Budkin
05-18-2006, 10:41 AM
If any of you still have the game on DVR or Tivo, you can't see the punch from the actual game angle when it happens, all you can see is Finley's reaction. But if you go forward from that point just a little bit, they show a replay of it from a different angle. Just look down below Finley and you can see the bottom of Terry's elbow on the floor and he just kinda gives a jab upwards, clearly into Fin's sackage.

2centsworth
05-18-2006, 10:42 AM
If any of you still have the game on DVR or Tivo, you can't see the punch from the actual game angle when it happens, all you can see is Finley's reaction. But if you go forward from that point just a little bit, they show a replay of it from a different angle. Just look down below Finley and you can see the bottom of Terry's elbow on the floor and he just kinda gives a jab upwards, clearly into Fin's sackage.
that's right it was on the replay that I saw it clearly.

doldrums
05-18-2006, 10:48 AM
me too

mabber
05-18-2006, 10:50 AM
The only reason to think that Finley gets punched in the junk is because of Finley's reaction. Unless Finley had a crotch cam during the game, Terry is safe from even a fine.

Even with that said crotch cam, it looks like to me that Terry was just trying to get up. Finley's junk was over his head and behind him. How was he going to reach back and punch the twins?

Crotch cam :lol

DarrinS
05-18-2006, 10:52 AM
I wish I had TIVO'ed the game. Does anyone have a video link.

ShoogarBear
05-18-2006, 11:08 AM
:lmao x 30483094830948304839048304

Best Buddy Holly post ever.

I thought the exact same thing when I read it.

maxpower
05-18-2006, 11:15 AM
Crotch cam :lol

Dallas starting point guard and dirk are fast becoming two of my most hated players...dirk I give more credit for being a beast, although a soft beast, he is a beast nonetheless...Dallas starting point guard however is a punk ass who has the starting spot by default. He may hit some shots but he sure does not act like he has been there. Actually dirk doesn't either.

aside:
So what happened to the nut cam underneath the rim.
they should have had one in midcourt to.


and I thought it was "Rolling stones think alike."