Official Early Offseason Thread(we only need 1 right now peeps)

[yavozerb]

What changes need to be done to get back our championship?

[Slinkyman]

When are teams allowed to start trading players?

[TxJudsonRocketTx]

Fuck trading Barry, send Tony packing before anyone else. Im sick of watching him do his best David Copperfield impression in the playoffs.

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

be glad that NVE is retiring. He didnt deserve a ring.........Develop Udrih and get a young swing player.........

thats my thoughts but i wouldnt change much considering how this series was

[Bruno]

When are teams allowed to start trading players?

tomorrow.

[Tobias]

Not soon enough

[McKenzie]

How about this: We act like we know what the ball is doing under our court and take it. Remember how Rodman used to do it? Yeah. He acted like an NFL lineman with no pads on a basketball court. That would be my FIRST request. TAKE THE GOD DAMMED BALL.

Next I say we act like we have a game plan and ram that ball into the hoop. WE NEED TO SCORE.

I'd say those 2 plans would cure a few things that ail us.

[mrpach]

a long rebounding 3

[Tobias]

Trade Barry would be operation #1 if i were GM.

Next motion: "Operation Long three" -- one thats not in advanced stages of rigor mortis.

[Bruno]

a long rebounding 3

agree.

[SPARKY]

As soon as the Hornets will pick up the phone.

[Tek_XX]

ditch barry, VE, finley, oberto, Nazr, Marks, and whatever scrub is still on the team.

[Spurs Dynasty 21]

Tony should be sent away for PG who likes to............ i don't know..................PASS


I seriously could give a FUCK if he was our leading scorer in the reg season, where is he now???


this is 3 years in a row he's been ass in when it counts

[Winnipeg_Spur]

If we're going to play small, we need some strong, athletic smalls. And a legit back up point would be nice. Oh, and a center.

Shit, we have a lot of holes for a team that was a eyelash away from advancing. :p

[infinite styles]

Spurs need to select James White from Cincy in the 2nd round of the draft. That would be our young athletic defensive minded long three.

[judaspriestess]

Get rid of Bowen. How stupid of him to NOT foul dirk and let him get a three point play. Plus all those dang threes he missed. Thanks for everything though, you have been great but now its time to move on.

[infinite styles]

Get rid of Bowen. How stupid of him to NOT foul dirk and let him get a three point play. Plus all those dang threes he missed. Thanks for everything though, you have been great but now its time to move on.

I think you would need to be the first to go instead.

[Slinkyman]

You guys are stupid if you wanna trade parker now, he made a major leap towards becoming one of the best PGs in the league this year and will be even better next season, and he's only 24 years old! He had ONE bad game all post season and you act like he's terrible? whatever.

Brent Barry needs to go, old man bones just isn't cutting it anymore.

[McKenzie]

a long rebounding 3


No Shit. We've needed that for YEARS. It beat our ass tonight. :(

[snowboarder]

^ :tu

[Horry For 3!]

What we need is a back-up PG who can actually play. I am glad NVE is gone

[Bruno]

Spurs need to select James White from Cincy in the 2nd round of the draft. That would be our young athletic defensive minded long three.

He likely won't be available when we will draft.

[koopa]

tony longoria is the most overrated pg in the league, but i don't want us to trade him, i want us to sign a real pg that doesn't choke cough speedy cough to back him up in games that actually matter

i can't wait to see barry gone, and i hope it's to the worse team like we did to malik (damn i miss that guy) and i hope he rots on the bench where ever he goes

[Gerryatrics]

Yeah, because Brent's four touches cost us this game. The Spurs didn't get their bench involved at all and once again it cost them. The bench only took six shots, this game was on the starters and they were the ones who couldn't get it done.

[judaspriestess]

I think you would need to be the first to go instead.
dude he's 35 and at the tail end of his career and tonight was proof!! :depressed

[Slinkyman]

there are alot of long 3s that can rebound becoming FAs this year, amoung them Jarried Jeffries and Jumaine Jones both of whom are excellent defenders. Wouldn't mind either wearing silver and black next season.

[infinite styles]

He likely won't be available when we will draft.

He will be if we can work out a trade to move up in the draft. Barry and the rights to Scola for White and a veteran. :angel I've always like White since he was in HS always reminded me of a poor man's Tayshawn Prince.

[Dre_7]

Just get healthy! This team can win a title without really making changes. But, a decent Center (Pryzbilla anyone?) would be nice.

[baseline bum]

Sign Scola, and sign-and-trade Mohammed for whatever the hell we can get for that bum. Tell Rasho to retire so we can get him off our cap in a year.

[Slinkyman]

Yeah, because Brent's four touches cost us this game. The Spurs didn't get their bench involved at all and once again it cost them. The bench only took six shots, this game was on the starters and they were the ones who couldn't get it done.

watch out, we just may ship brent back to seattle where he belongs! :lol Barry for wilcox!

[Gerryatrics]

No way in hell the Sonics give up Wilcox for Barry, but I certainly wouldn't mind seeing him in Seattle again.

[Tobias]

We "didnt get our bench involved" cuz they sure werent showing they could play.

[Nero]

You think Pop would play a center like Pryz? If the league has really changed so that you can't even put solid centers like Nazr/Rasho on for the whole game then we'll have to get our rebounding from long 3's like above posters have said.
I don't know about our defense, just play old men with no lateral quickness( Horry, Finley, Barry, Van X) less so TD doesn't always end up out of position for the boards and get into foul trouble.

[ducks]

base would you trade rasho for pj brown (one year contract)

[Nero]

Why does everyone hate Nazr? He hasn't been a bum. He hasn't even had a chance in the playoffs. Be played very well in the regular season.

[Slydragon]

sign this kid

http://www.virovitica-online.com/kolumne/images/1010_003001_1.jpg

[baseline bum]

Anyone who wants to trade Parker must not have been a fan in the days of Negele Knight, Vinny Del Negro, Chris Whitney, Avery Johnson, and Terry Porter running our teams.

[ObiwanGinobili]

sign this kid

http://www.virovitica-online.com/kolumne/images/1010_003001_1.jpg

:lmao

yeah - every team needs a ball hog :drunk

[ObiwanGinobili]

Why does everyone hate Nazr? He hasn't been a bum. He hasn't even had a chance in the playoffs. Be played very well in the regular season.


i'll admit - Nazr hustles and he tries oh baby he tries... btu he; giot fucking butter fingers.
His hands are allergic to the ball.

[Horry For 3!]

We need people who can rebounding, long 3 would be nice and a back-up PG who can actually play

[BgT]

sign this kid

http://www.virovitica-online.com/kolumne/images/1010_003001_1.jpg
:lmao :lmao


base would you trade rasho for pj brown (one year contract)
Oh, come on. PJ would really help us in this series...

[Tobias]

Anyone who wants to trade Parker must not have been a fan in the days of Negele Knight, Vinny Del Negro, Chris Whitney, Avery Johnson, and Terry Porter running our teams.
Man. Vinny D was our starting PG wasn't he? dayum.. :drunk

[baseline bum]

base would you trade rasho for pj brown (one year contract)

I would trade Rasho for freaking Kwame Brown. I would trade him for UPS Brown. I would trade Nesterovich for Wilt right now.

[spurs_in_7]

learn to rebound

[LakerHater]

You guys are stupid if you wanna trade parker now, he made a major leap towards becoming one of the best PGs in the league this year and will be even better next season, and he's only 24 years old! He had ONE bad game all post season and you act like he's terrible? whatever.

Brent Barry needs to go, old man bones just isn't cutting it anymore. yeah he had a GREAT regular season...

[exstatic]

tomorrow.
Nope. I think there is a window from the end of the finals to 30 June, encompassing the draft.

[Nero]

I think we've lost he offensive board battle in every game during these playoffs.

[clubalien]

tony parker keep
tim keep
manu trade for lebron, kobe, or keep
fire pop

[Pablo Escobar]

all tp does is choke

[Leetonidas]

Doesn't the free agency period start on July 1st?

[exstatic]

Doesn't the free agency period start on July 1st?
Jult 15th, but somehow, trades still get done during the draft

[Don Quixote]

Anyone who wants to trade Parker must not have been a fan in the days of Negele Knight, Vinny Del Negro, Chris Whitney, Avery Johnson, and Terry Porter running our teams.

Avery did a very nice job for us for several years.
Terry was brought in to make shots and back up Avery. It didn't work out the way we wanted (i.e., a title), but he did a good job.

The others ... yeah, we had garbage for PGs for alot of years.

[AMOS7]

A major move needs to happen. Spurs should consider Zack Randolph.

Only untouchables = Duncan, Ginobili, Finley, Bowen

Parker has been disappearing so often that the "oh he's so young" arguement will only work for so long.

[Doc Jerome]

Well, well, well, . . . Spurs ran out of gas in OT. Congrats to Avery Johnson.

Ian Mahinmi will be in summer league so I guess we'll see what this young fella has to offer. I think this guy will be in training camp because of his youth, athleticism, and surprising defense and rebounding skills. He'll get points on effort plays.

Ian Mahinmi
Birthdate: 11/5/86
NBA Position: PF/C
Ht: 6-11
Wt: 230
Hometown: Rouen, France

Spurs should try to acquire J. R. Smith to get the youth movement into full swing. The change will be refreshing and helpful for this guys career and frame of mind.

J. R. Smith
Position: G
Birthdate: 9/9/1985
Height: 6-6 / 1,98
Weight: 220 lbs. / 99,8 kg.
High School : St. Benedict's Prep (Newark, NJ)

Many believe that Robertas Javtokas will be brought in an effort to strengthen the Spurs front line. Only if he brings toughness, rebounding, and defense with some semblence of an offensive game. Namely a shot from 12 foot on in. Others have said he possesses some athletic skills, I hope that he does; Spurs do not need any more sluggs at the C spot.

Robertas Javtokas
Birthdate: 3/20/1980
Position: Center
Height: 6' 11"
Weight: 205 lbs.
College: Lithuania (Foreign)

The much talked about Luis Scola has been mentioned by other posters as good trade bait for some prooven NBA big or draft pick. I think Spurs will explore their options now that smallball seems to be the rave of the new NBA. Scola has some offensive skills, it is his quickness, size and rebounding that may be cause for apprehension.

Luis Scola
Birthdate: 4/30/80
NBA Position: PF
Ht: 6-9
Wt: 230
Hometown: Buenos Aires, Argentina

Viktor Sanikidze will also play in summer league, hopefull he has a great perimeter game to offer the Spurs in this new NBA era. We can only hope this guy can play defense.

Full Name: Viktor Sanikidze
Born: 04/01/86
Position: SF
Height: 6' 8"
Weight: 196 lbs.
Hometown: Tbilisi, Georgia

Spurs should blow up the team and keep the big 3 (TD, Manu, TP) and perhaps 1 or 2 vets, all others MUST go. Now that's just my take on it; but, . . . stay tuned. :fro

[Bruno]

Nope. I think there is a window from the end of the finals to 30 June, encompassing the draft.

No. You can trade player after your last regular season or your last playoff game.
We can trade Barry tomorrow but :
- not with a team that still play in the playoff.
- not for a player that can be a free agent this summer.

[clubalien]

I have been an anti tony parker person, because parker has been inconsitant.
However, parker was proping up this team the regualr season not duncan. Timmy didn't start playing good till playing kings. And timmy missed some freethrows and shots in this game. Doesn;t mean we trade him because he cost us the game

[whottt]

Um...did you guys watch a different game than me or something?


Tony Parker played his ass off and his double team help on Dirk was one of the reasons we got back in the game.


Let's see...

Tony scored 24 points on 9-18 shooting...he was 6-6 from the FT line...he had 4 reboiunds 5 asssists, 1 steal, 1 block and 1 turnover...


Exactly why are we trading him again? You humoungous collection of dumfucks?

[SA210]

Parker-
All summer long, work like hell on your jumper and the 3.
Work on your court vision game.
You'll be even better next year.

Manu
Heal up real good, get some rest, a short haircut, be angry about this loss and come back with a vengeance. Practice a fast paced offense with Parker thru the summer. You guys need to be the best guard tandem in the league next year.
That is very possible.

Bruce
Keep training cuz you are getting older, don't lose a step, keep practicing your offense.

Tim
Heal up, and come back for an MVP year.
I think Tim should practice a little with Tony and Manu thru the summer.

Finley
Great playoffs. Come back and let's get it next year.
As a matter of fact, spend some time with Tony, Tim and Manu

Rest of team- GET YOUNGER and make sure we still have shooters.
Younger, younger, younger, able to play defense shooters.

And get a damn real Center. Either play Rasho and lite a fire in his ass and get some rebounding good bigmen somehow. I want Twin Tower defense back!

Try and bring a real awesome offensive minded assistant coach in.

I'm no expert, just a couple of thoughts.

We need to be able to come back next year younger but still have veterans and good shooters, be able to run like Pheonix and Dallas and also play halfcourt, while playing Championship Defense WITH OUR BIGS.

And for the whole team- Practice free throws.

And finally FUCK THE REFS and Go Detroit!

[exstatic]

My bad, Bruno. The end of the Finals usually IS our last playoff game. :lol

[Slinkyman]

you guys are retarded seriously you are! Tony didn't choke. He didn't disappear like 03 either, he played the entire game almost and was key to our success. Now stop hijacking this thread with this BS, this is about how quickly will be able to make trades, mainly brent barry.

[Don Quixote]

I could give a flying flip about next year. Screw next year.

[AMOS7]

Trading Parker would be an option if a team offered a player who can deliver when they need them too.

Say, for example, if by some reason New Jersey offers Vince Carter for Parker and someone else? You take it.

Parker is not untouchable. The only TRUE untouchable is Duncan, but you need to keep him, Bowen, Finley, and Ginobili.

I truly think they need to go after Zack Randolph, he's an all-star level player and is an actual big man who isn't completely terrible.

Spurs lack of depth upfront is why they lost this year. Diop outplayed all of the Spurs other centers, pathetic.

[Leetonidas]

A major move needs to happen. Spurs should consider Zack Randolph.

Only untouchables = Duncan, Ginobili, Finley, Bowen

Parker has been disappearing so often that the "oh he's so young" arguement will only work for so long.

I've always liked Randolph. Is he a FA this summer? I would love to have him in the middle with Timmy.

[whottt]

Brent didn't exactly up his trade status tonight with his performance...


Sorry Gerry...I had Barry's back all year last year...but he was ass in this series...I think he averaged about 4 TO's per game....

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

With the Tim, Manu, Tony core we will be in contention for a Title in 07'. So we're not too worried about blowing it up.

Manu - get healthy, train over summer, you did a lot of good for us this series and kept us in
Tim - get healthy, relax, you gave the effort we needed. Play like an MVP next season and put the Steve Nash reign to shame.

Tony - get your Jumper up to SCRATCH, Watch How Steve NASH PLays and ALternates between knowing when TO SCORE, and WHEN TO PASS, add those dimensions guy...Too many unreliable jumpers put us in holes. Other than, that relax, get healthy.

Finley - Stay classy. Stay on and play for this team.

Horry - don't get too old, you still have one more Killer 3 to cap off your career

Barry --trade him for younger legs, he used up our last piece of luck with that barry bouncer--we need a shooter, but your head isn't in this so get outta here. You make us weaker.

Bowen --keep, we need him to train an apprentice for the long run

Nazr--- replace his ass with someone RELIABLE

Sign Scola as a helping BIG---I know others aren't sure and want him to be traded for someone in the league, but I believe this guy can really come through for us. If there's anything I'd not doubt, is seeing more Manus on the Team.

Sign/Trade for More shooters/athletic youths like J.R. Smith.

Rasho - Whatever...he's a backup center. That is all.

[dimsah]

I still would like to look at Pryzbilla from Portland. Great rebounder and shot blocker.
If he could learn defensive rotation I think he would be a helluva pick-up.
Unless he signed an extension that I don't know about.

[SPARKY]

Tony's probably going to spend the next couple of days iced down. His best days are still ahead, so relax.

[T Park]

Um...did you guys watch a different game than me or something?


Tony Parker played his ass off and his double team help on Dirk was one of the reasons we got back in the game.


Let's see...

Tony scored 24 points on 9-18 shooting...he was 6-6 from the FT line...he had 4 reboiunds 5 asssists, 1 steal, 1 block and 1 turnover...


Exactly why are we trading him again? You humoungous collection of dumfucks?


Whoa now, facts will clusterfuck the brains of the geniuses now.

[Leetonidas]

Trading Parker would be an option if a team offered a player who can deliver when they need them too.

Say, for example, if by some reason New Jersey offers Vince Carter for Parker and someone else? You take it.

Parker is not untouchable.

Unless Sequ suddenly is our new coach, we wouldn't do it.

[whottt]

Trading Parker would be an option if a team offered a player who can deliver when they need them too.

Say, for example, if by some reason New Jersey offers Vince Carter for Parker and someone else? You take it.

Parker is not untouchable. The only TRUE untouchable is Duncan, but you need to keep him, Bowen, Finley, and Ginobili.

I truly think they need to go after Zack Randolph, he's an all-star level player and is an actual big man who isn't completely terrible.

Spurs lack of depth upfront is why they lost this year. Diop outplayed all of the Spurs other centers, pathetic.



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[beachbarbie948]

I say we trade Sean Marks and Fabricio to get 2 first round picks and take Adam Morrison and JJ Redick ;) lol


...hell i dunno what needs to be done...

[Slinkyman]

Half man, Half a season? WTF? You think parker shoots to much wait till carter jacks up 40 shots in a game, please. We have a solid core we just need to patch some holes and bring in some young talent.

[T Park]

who can deliver when they need them too.

Say, for example, if by some reason New Jersey offers Vince Carter for Parker and someone else? You take it.

Parker is not untouchable.


Yeah Vince Carter was money in that game 5 vs Miami....

[T Park]

I truly think they need to go after Zack Randolph, he's an all-star level player and is an actual big man who isn't completely terrible.




When exactly did Zach Randolph reach all star level?

:lol


you need to take a break moron.


26 points, 6 assists, 4 rebounds, 1 turnover.


Yeah, that sucks.

[AMOS7]

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Oh please, I've been reading this forum since 04. Spurs need a big change because their team is too old now to be the dominant force in the west now. They need some players who aren't just young with "nothing but upside", but a player who is already proven to win to go alongside Duncan to compete for a title.

Once Duncan is gone out of his best days (about 3 years from now or so), Spurs will not compete for a title.

[intlspurshk]

No way to trade TP unless you get Billups but it not possible. He is good but still not be counted on in clutch shoot. That's his weakness and let's work on that.

Barry need to be traded for cap room and young player. No doubt.

Naza walk and will not come back.

Is there an enough cap room released after these moves to sign a decent PF or a decent SF?

[Bruno]

People should calm down.
We lost against a 60 win team in 7 games. We can't win every year.
Parker, Duncan and manu have been very good for the playoff : we need to trade them.
If you look closely : the main reason why we lost is the lack of a good rebounding SF or the lack of a big who can defend on Dirk/Howard.

[T Park]

Spurs need a big change because their team is too old now to be the dominant

So trade your 24 year old PG!!!

:tu

:lmao

moron.

[picnroll]

Trade Parker? Is the the thread where the mentally impaired are institutionalized?

One extremely encouraging thing about end of season and playoffs is that Parker seems to have solved his FT problems. That means he should be able to solve his outside shooting problems.

[AMOS7]

You guys can call me names, tell me stats all day. But tell me this, would you rather have Jason Kidd on the floor with Duncan and Ginobili in the closing moments of a closure game, or Tony Parker?

CONSISTANCY is what the Spurs lack often. That is why they have not been able to repeat. That starts at Parker's role. Sure his statsheet is nice, Duncan had 41 points, but did they win? No.

Duncan needs a point guard to feed him the ball in the post. I love Parker, he's great, but Parker is not going to be a great player to build this team on because right now, you try to win the title NOW. Duncan will decline as the years go on and you need a proven all-star beside him, or a player with all-star levels. Or just another great big man would be nice.

Guys seriously, stop this mocking me shit, I like this community and you guys are too close to a player, for the love of god stop calling me a moron and think outside the box for a minute.

[T Park]

If you look closely : the main reason why we lost is the lack of a good rebounding SF or the lack of a big who can defend on Dirk/Howard.

exactly right


The needs this summer are in this order

athletic big man

athletic long 3

backup point


Javtokas, Scola, fill the big need.

Hopefully a trade can be pulled off for the 3

and hopefully, uh, they can pull a back up point out of their ass.

[clubalien]

and spurs fans this is what happens when you lose players like devin brown

[Cant_Be_Faded]

For Whotttttttt to say that Barry played like ass, he played like ass.

However,

Horry played even WORSE imo. Parker? He played. Our guys still had a chance to win this, and we just werne't the better team.

Now if we are talking upgrades, I think it is extremely CRYSTAL CLEAR that we have to get younger and athletic. Theres no other option. NVE is as good as gone, Barry and Horry may be going too.

We need young athletic players. Young speedy players would have made our small ball lineup kick ass. Surround Duncan with quick ass long armed guards? We're in the WCF's.
The teams have changed so much already and geared towards beating us that we have to change our formula.

CIA pop lowered NAzr's value, but Nazr is all but worthless at this poitn. I would like to see a complete retooling if it were possible, get rid of rasho, nazr, barry, nve, horry, but we may just end up stuck with patching in shitty contracts to save money again.

All I can think of is:

Wow, what a horrible waste of a year of TD's prime.

[Doc Jerome]

I'm not familiar with him, I'll do some quick research and post later. But if he is weak on defense or slow learning rotations, I don't think Spurs will even entertain the idea. Nazr f'ed it up for those types in San Antonio.

[T Park]

One extremely encouraging thing about end of season and playoffs is that Parker seems to have solved his FT problems. That means he should be able to solve his outside shooting problems.


And the big jumpers he made at the end and in OT.


Tony Parker will pull a HARDCORE right turn next year, and improve EVEN MORE!

[Leetonidas]

These are the FA's at the PF, SF, and C positions:

SMALL FORWARDS
Lee Nailon, Glenn Robinson, George Lynch, Rodney Rogers, Kedrick Brown, Eddie Robinson, Chris Crawford, Ndudi Ebi, Roger Powell Jr., Sean Lampley, Josh Davis, Kaniel Dickens, Tang Hamilton, Dan Langhi, Darvin Ham, Billy Thomas, Chris Porter, Tremaine Fowlkes, Sharrod Ford, Lawrence Funderburke, Sean Banks, Darius Rice, Chris Jefferies

POWER FORWARDS
Robert Traylor, Samaki Walker, Christian Laettner, Sam Clancy, Tom Gugliotta, Jerome Moiso, Clarence Weatherspoon, Cherokee Parks, Ryan Humphrey, Tony Massenburg, Mark Pope, Kimani Ffriend, Lucas Tischer

CENTERS
Jahidi White, Ben Handlogten, Andrew DeClercq, Oliver Miller, Wang Zhizhi, Curtis Borchardt, Amal McCaskill, Roy Tarpley, Vladimir Stepania, Nate Huffman, Jayson Williams, Jared Reiner, Kyle Davis, Olden Polynice, Peter Cornell, Keith Closs, Mamadou N'Diaye, Elden Campbell



EDIT: Nevermind, these are players who didn't play this year.

[Spurologist]

:td Pryzbilla
:tu Robertas Javtokas

[Cant_Be_Faded]

Parker is a no brainer, the kid will get better. But Still, this is such a waste of TD. 41 points and we get owned in OT. We need young atheletic legs dammit. Thats all we fucking need. Fuck our centers. Fuck our old wings (except Finley, he stays, and bowen--NATURALLY)

[Slinkyman]

and spurs fans this is what happens when you lose players like devin brown

yeah devin would have shut down Dirk and grabbed 10 boards a game, maybe if he could show up to practice on time he'd still be a spur.

[Nero]

TD really needs to work on his shot. If he could face up and shoot that 15 footer like he used to his job will be so much easier. It should help keep him healthy next season. Defenders are conceeding that shot and he should be able to make it a good % of the time.

[T Park]

CIA pop lowered NAzr's value, but Nazr is all but worthless at this poitn. I would like to see a complete retooling if it were possible, get rid of rasho, nazr, barry, nve, horry, but we may just end up stuck with patching in shitty contracts to save money again

Not saving money,

its not having cap room.


all the players listed,

Horry isn't going anywhere, might as well forget that, and I would'nt give up on him either.

VE is retiring, and justifibly so, the guy has nothing left, his arm and knees are shot.

Mohammed? You saw his last game in game 2. Hes gone to either Seattle, Chicago, or somewhere else.


Rasho, prob isnt going anywhere, too big a contract not good enough of a player.

Beno? Yeah, hes tradable, but the contract isnt big enough to get a good one back.

[AMOS7]

The fact is, this team needs to get more athletic.

Duncan is no longer great enough to win soley on his own. You guys can love Tony Parker all you want, and I'm a fan of his too, but if you can increase their chances to win now, then you take that chance when you can. Remember when so many of you were so hellbent on keeping Brown over Finley? What happened there?

If you can aquire an all-star, you take it. Parker is a great player, but if you can find a player that while might be older, you get someone who can help you win now, and have them be your main core with athletic young guys off the bench or at other positions in the rotation, like JR Smith, and whoever else they can pick up.

Besides, I said Randolph was all-star LEVEL, meaning he has talent to bring it and put up numbers to get there. Pair him with Duncan and you have a monster low post set that can hit outside shots.

[Doc Jerome]

Oh no, looks like Joel Pryzbilla is just a repackaged Rasho. Hell no! I like Mahinmi and Javtokas better, just on potential alone.

[T Park]

and spurs fans this is what happens when you lose players like devin brown





dude pass that crackpipe away.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

The fact is, this team needs to get more athletic.

Duncan is no longer great enough to win soley on his own. You guys can love Tony Parker all you want, and I'm a fan of his too, but if you can increase their chances to win now, then you take that chance when you can. Remember when so many of you were so hellbent on keeping Brown over Finley? What happened there?

If you can aquire an all-star, you take it. Parker is a great player, but if you can find a player that while might be older, you get someone who can help you win now, and have them be your main core with athletic young guys off the bench or at other positions in the rotation, like JR Smith, and whoever else they can pick up.

Besides, I said Randolph was all-star LEVEL, meaning he has talent to bring it and put up numbers to get there. Pair him with Duncan and you have a monster low post set that can hit outside shots.

Duncan has never been good enough to win it on his own...noone ever has.

We just need young legs willing to learn.

[T Park]

Besides, I said Randolph was all-star LEVEL, meaning he has talent to bring it and put up numbers to get there. Pair him with Duncan and you have a monster low post trio that can hit outside shots

Hes a peanut head who plays worse defense than Nazr Mohammed.

Please.

[SPARKY]

The key is that the team needs to get a little bigger at the 3 and a little more mobile at the 4 behind Timmy. They were after the right guy last summer in Marshall.

[Despot]

TNT had a graphic that said Finley would be a free agent. Does he have an option???

[Slinkyman]

Here's links to upcoming FAs this offseason, enjoy:

Top 25 FAs (http://probasketball.about.com/od/newsrumorsopinion/a/nbafreeagents06.htm)

Best of the rest (http://probasketball.about.com/od/newsrumorsopinion/a/nbafreeagents06_2.htm)

[v2freak]

Why do people still want Barry traded? His game 2 heroics in the first round weren't impressive enough? The way I see it:

Barry game-tying/game winning shots: 1
Rest of team: 0

Please guys, lay off him. Especially at a time like this, there is no reason why the Spurs should trade someone like him.

[T Park]

Donyell Marshall would've been PICTURE PERFECT for this series.


We will see if Javtokas and Scola are the answers.

[AMOS7]

Hes a peanut head who plays worse defense than Nazr Mohammed.

Please.


You're telling me you'd rather have some Euro-league center than him? Not every center/post player will be as good as Shaq or Duncan. Randolph >>>> any other big man aside from Duncan the Spurs have.

Spurs need some big moves if they want to compete with a team like Dallas, because Dallas proved they have a young core that works.

[gameFACE]

Tim, Tony, Manu, Bruce and probably Finley are safe. Everyone else is game.

I hereby declare the start of the Spurs youth movement and Slovenian house cleaning.

[whottt]

For Whotttttttt to say that Barry played like ass, he played like ass.

.


Barry started off playing fine in this series but he kept getting jobbed by the refs when he was trying to draw charges...and effected his game....

Last year everyone bitched about his passes but to me they always made sense...

Since about game 3 in this series his passes have sucked and he's looked like he didn't even want to be on the court...it didn't effect his shooting until tonight....but tonight his shooting went too...

Seriously...I think he has had about 3 games of 3 TO's in this series alone...

Last year I think he had 3 games of 3 TO's for the entire season.

He was just different...his shooting was fine until tonight...but he did not help our offense this series like he did last year when he passed smart and didn't force shit.


And I haven't ever seen Barry miss a J that wide open when it was a big shot like tonight...

He let the all the bad blocking calls on him effect his game and got progressively worse in this series...and he did not show up to play tonight. And we needed him too...

Because as bad as Barry played...NVE was 10 times worse. I've never seen NVE afraid to shoot in his life...until tonight.

[Vashner]

Parker also NEVER got a break. He had to play for France in off season.

He and Manu friggin tired... mentally too.

We will be fine with some Bench adjustments... As long as Timmy's healthy we will get more chances in the next 3-4 years.

[T Park]

Why do people still want Barry traded? His game 2 heroics in the first round weren't impressive enough? The way I see it:

Barry game-tying/game winning shots: 1
Rest of team: 0

Please guys, lay off him. Especially at a time like this, there is no reason why the Spurs should trade someone like him.


Miss the second round and the last two years of his absolute NOTHINGNESS!


He had 1 good game, whoooppieeeee


Give me a break.


Adios Brent, failed FA number 2 in 2 years straight.

[intlspurshk]

I still would like to look at Pryzbilla from Portland. Great rebounder and shot blocker.
If he could learn defensive rotation I think he would be a helluva pick-up.
Unless he signed an extension that I don't know about.
I like him very much but he is not the answer for Dirk or run and gun team. He may be a good answer for Shaq or Ming though. Steven Hunter may be better as compared with him.

[Slinkyman]

You're telling me you'd rather have some Euro-league center than him? Not every center/post player will be as good as Shaq or Duncan. Randolph >>>> any other big man aside from Duncan the Spurs have.

Spurs need some big moves if they want to compete with a team like Dallas, because Dallas proved they have a young core that works.

Euro center = 1-2 million a year

NO defense fat lazy PF = 12 million a year

[AMOS7]

Parker also NEVER got a break. He had to play for France in off season.

He and Manu friggin tired... mentally too.

We will be fine with some Bench adjustments... As long as Timmy's healthy we will get more chances in the next 3-4 years.

3-4 years? Not unless they get younger players. Their bench is probably the best in the league, but only for a year or two. They honestly have to make some moves to get a big body upfront to side with Duncan.

[SPARKY]

I think the keys will be to find a quality backup point guard, the ever elusive long/big 3 and perhaps a more athletic big who can play some on the perimeter. It's not like this team was that far off (OT Game 7?). Some tweaking to do and they've got the tools to do it.

[T Park]

You're telling me you'd rather have some Euro-league center than him? Not every center/post player will be as good as Shaq or Duncan. Randolph >>>> any other big man aside from Duncan the Spurs have.

Spurs need some big moves if they want to compete with a team like Dallas, because Dallas proved they have a young core that works.


Ill take Scola or Javtokas over Rnadolph.

HE HAS A MAX CONTRACT!!!

THats right, he makes JUST AS MUCH AS DUNCAN


That means you trade Parker along with someone else.


No thank you, that injury prone no defense playing peanut head can rot in portland.

[coachmac87]

spurs offseason moves:
c nazr
pf tim duncan
sf bruce bowen
sg manu
pg tony parker

bench
sg finley
pg claxton
pf scola or javtokas
g jr smith
f tim thomas/nocioni
pf horry
pg udrih
and for the 13th spot some project cat we can work on

[AMOS7]

Euro center = 1-2 million a year

NO defense fat lazy PF = 12 million a year

And how well did Oberto work out?

I love the Argentina team, but the NBA is a different ballgame. Nazr has flashes of brilliance one every 12 games, but that is not going to cut it. Rasho, way too soft, but is a good defender, not good for teams with rough big men or quick athletic guys.

[SenorSpur]

You're telling me you'd rather have some Euro-league center than him? Not every center/post player will be as good as Shaq or Duncan. Randolph >>>> any other big man aside from Duncan the Spurs have.

Spurs need some big moves if they want to compete with a team like Dallas, because Dallas proved they have a young core that works.

Agreed. Nothing against the Euro players, but it's obvious that we need more young, athleticism on this team. I'm not sure they're that many Euro players that fit the bill for our immediate needs. I could be wrong and if so, someone enlighten me.

This is not the time for the Spurs to continue building a roster soley based on the Argentina Olympic team. They need other parts.

[SPARKY]

Ideally, the Knicks eat Rose's contract and the Spurs bring him back.

[aexchange]

coming from a mavs fan, only subtle adjustments need to be made by the spurs.

if i were san antonio, i would do whatever it took to sign speedy claxton to a contract for the MLE. he and parker would kill as a 1-2 punch at the 1 spot.

just my humble opinion.

[Nikos]

Doesn't look good for the Spurs. With Manu's shitty endurance and aging, I don't see the Spurs improving at all. Probably another injury riddled season next year. Spurs will just be another team amongst several other elite teams (provided Amare, Tmac, Shaq) are healthy etc....

[Knoxville Spur]

I see no way that we can get Randolph.

[v2freak]

Miss the second round and the last two years of his absolute NOTHINGNESS!


He had 1 good game, whoooppieeeee


Give me a break.


Adios Brent, failed FA number 2 in 2 years straight.

Give you a break? First, try giving Barry a break. Making him a scapegoat is just ridiculous...

[THE SIXTH MAN]

We need people who can rebounding, long 3 would be nice and a back-up PG who can actually play
AMEN

[AMOS7]

Guys stop freaking out lol, I am no enemy. I am just saying what's on everybody's minds. Spurs need:

More consistancy (less droughts of offense and no defensive struggles)
Good big men (a real lack of those around I know)
To get younger and more athletic (JR Smith trade is a must, he will be a great player)

Randolph was just a suggestion. He's a good player, he will likely do better if not the first option but a third on offense. It was just a mere suggestion to get a player like him and I'm jumped on.

Spurs need to get results now, because if they keep banking on the fact they HAD a great team of great players, we'll get familiar with semi final loses.

[GoSpurs90899]

Who the hell would we get in return for barry?

maybe nazr + barry

[clubalien]

the answer is obvioulsy the dominate recardnation of an david robinson in ian.
tim is a center and ian is our new PF
the problem is the ian won't be here next season but the season after that. Have to wait sucks. But having david and wiating for tim was worth it.

[SPARKY]

If you can move Barry for JR Smith, you do that. You have Finley to be your primary swing reserve. You also have the opportunity to bring back Devin Brown who fits your system well. The Spurs can get a little younger and deeper in the perimeter rotation. They also need to get a legit backup point. I don't think Udrih is the answer.

[Slinkyman]

Doesn't look good for the Spurs. With Manu's shitty endurance and aging, I don't see the Spurs improving at all. Probably another injury riddled season next year. Spurs will just be another team amongst several other elite teams (provided Amare, Tmac, Shaq) are healthy etc....

Yeah being one of the elite teams is terrible, what? :rolleyes

[T Park]

Athletic bigs.

Signing Scola and Javtokas are the best moves to do that.


Get a back up point, like someone said Claxton or Bobby Jackson, who would even be better.


Long 3, Sanikidze? maybe, but would love a Deng or someone else, in a sign and trade.

[Leetonidas]

:lmao

A reasonable outlook for next season could be...

Starting Five:

PF - Tim Duncan
SF - Bruce Bowen
C - Joel Pryzbilla
SG - Manu Ginobili
PG - Tony Parker

Bench:

Michael Finley
Speedy Claxton
Robertas Javotokas
JR Smith
Robert Horry
Beno Udrih
Sean Marks
Rasho Nesterovic
That one dude who's name I always forget, Viktor something.

[beachbarbie948]

Well I guess I'd try to trade Rasho...but what team is gonna want him?

Ditch Barry...

NVE is retiring...that's taken care of already...

Give Beno another year...but definately get another backup PG

Get someone who can REBOUND

[Vashner]

As I see it a CENTER should be our priority....

Someone bad ass.. I remember when .50 would get a block you could hear like BAM.. stop that shit.. now it's like enemy SCORES 2.. then we try to score..

[beachbarbie948]

I kinda miss Stephen Jackson...:(

[beachbarbie948]

Come to think of it, I miss the 02-03 team :(

[SPARKY]

I think you wait and see what Mohammed can bring you back in a sign and trade. There should be enough teams dangling the full MLE for him that someone will offer him more.

[T Park]

Give you a break? First, try giving Barry a break. Making him a scapegoat is just ridiculous

Ive been giving him a break for 2 years.

Hes not THE Scapegoat, but he was part of the problem tonight.

Open your eyes.

[Horry For 3!]

spurs offseason moves:
c nazr
pf tim duncan
sf bruce bowen
sg manu
pg tony parker

bench
sg finley
pg claxton
pf scola or javtokas
g jr smith
f tim thomas/nocioni
pf horry
pg udrih
and for the 13th spot some project cat we can work on
We could never get Nocioni but that would be bad ass if we could.

[makedamnsure]

Trade Parker? Seriously???

If anything, we need a solid center and a good backup for TP. And our bench needs to step it up again.

[picnroll]

Did you watch Devin Brown at all this year. He is nowhere near the player he was pre-back problems.

Randolph? You couldn't give me that lazy POS with a shit attitude.

Spurs had the right target end of season in Tim Thomas. They lost him to the Suns when Kurt Thomas got hurt. Tim Thomas would have gotten the Spurs past Dallas with room to breathe.

[T Park]

You also have the opportunity to bring back Devin Brown who fits your system well

If hes available, yeah you bring him back no question.

I doubt if he will be.

[E20]

Nothing big needs to be changed.

NVE is retiring. (I feel bad for him)
Horry is retiring.
Finley we keep(I feel mondo bad)

Barry, I say we keep, for reasons I'll say later.

Nazr is probably out.

So that just leaves to get a good-sized small forward, another backup PG and another C.

[AMOS7]

Spurs really do have a lot to look at in the offseason. They got beat because they got outran, which is due to their age.

Sure 30 is middle age in real life, but in sports, that's classified as "old".

Spurs need to get just the right amount of veterans and just the right amount of young guys to the team to produce a championship level team. You can't just say Parker is untouchable because he's "young and improving". He is both young and improving, but right now is a good time to bank off of what they have. Bowen is not getting younger, neither is Ginobili and Duncan. They can't overhaul their entire roster, so what I think should be done is to sign about 2-3 younger players, or trade for them, and if Parker disappears next year in the post season (don't give me a statline, because stats aren't everything, right? Look at Garnett in Minnesota) then you could actually put him up for a trade for a more proven talent ready to win now.

Duncan and Ginobili are the heart and soul of this team (with Bowen at a crucial part of it) and they are already pretty old, so you build around them with young athletics and a proven all-star level player.

[T Park]

Tim Thomas would have gotten the Spurs past Dallas with room to breathe.

Tim Thomas, would have been, BEYOND fantastic.

[coachmac87]

We could never get Nocioni but that would be bad ass if we could.


him or deng could be available... chicaog needs some bigs and i could see maybe a scola or rasho trade with maybe a barry involved or sumthing like that...chicao is desperate for a big

[whottt]

We need a long SF....we need it real bad. We all knew it, we been saying it for 2 years now, it was the one hole on the the team...and AJ found a way to exploit it to maximum benefit.



You have to guard Dirk with a long SF. You have to guard Bonzi with a long SF, you have to guard Garnett with one, you have to guard Melo with one, you have to guard Amare with one, you have to guard Lebron with one

...it's just the way the NBA is now. And every other team in the NBA has 2 or 3 of these guys...we don't have one of them.

I am still pissed that Horry didn't get more opportunity to guard Dirk...what....Dirk would have gone off for 40 instead of 39?

[Slinkyman]

Come to think of it, I miss the 02-03 team :(

please no, of the 3 championship team that team was the worst and Sjax is an idiot. He's gone time to move on.

[T Park]

You can't just say Parker is untouchable because he's "young and improving

No hes untouchable because hes a top 5 all star point guard.


Yout hink they grow on fucking trees?

Who do you want to take over, Udrih!??!?!

[Nikos]

Yeah being one of the elite teams is terrible, what? :rolleyes

Well I consider the team as on the decline. This was a prime year to take the title and they blew it against a team where their 2nd/3rd and 4th best players aren't even as good as Parker or Ginobili, nor will they ever be.

Manu probably won't be able to play 20minutes next year. I still don't know if Parker can dominate in the playoffs. Duncan will produce if healthy for sure. He is still an elite player when healthy. But other teams are hungry and growing. The Spurs are aging fast.

[coachmac87]

i mean people wouldnt have thougtht but ben gordon came up during the trade deadline for a big...hes i think there best player so i think chicago would do almost anything for a big besides chandler or hinrich

[AMOS7]

The NBA is a more guard-oriented game now, and while they do not grow on trees, it's not as impossible to find a good replacement to compliment the HOFer on our team. Guys, Duncan is a potential top 5 player of ALL TIME at this rate, it wouldn't be impossible for such a feat, top 10 is almost a given.

I am just saying that this isn't Parker's team, it's Duncan's, now if the Spurs had a more pass oriented and consistant guard, wouldn't you feel more secure in the Spurs chances?

These playoffs proved one thing, this is still Duncan's team, and you win now with what you have, and you need young guys AND veterans to win... so you need an overhaul of talent because this team is only going to get older as other teams get better because of their youth and abilities to play all out.

[Slinkyman]

Tim Thomas, would have been, BEYOND fantastic.

I can't believe we missed out on that he's exactly what we needed and the spurs knew it, too bad he'll probably be a sun for a while now unless they try to low ball him.

[Bruno]

him or deng could be available... chicaog needs some bigs and i could see maybe a scola or rasho trade with maybe a barry involved or sumthing like that...chicao is desperate for a big

Stop dreaming.
Bulls need bigs but they have a top-3 pick and tons of capspace to sign FA (like Nazr, Gooden, Harrington, Pryz...)
Nocion and Deng aren't realistic options.

[RC's Boss]

We need Nocioni or Deng! Do what you have to do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SenorSpur]

If you can move Barry for JR Smith, you do that. You have Finley to be your primary swing reserve. You also have the opportunity to bring back Devin Brown who fits your system well. The Spurs can get a little younger and deeper in the perimeter rotation. They also need to get a legit backup point. I don't think Udrih is the answer.

:tu

[whottt]

If you can move Barry for JR Smith, you do that. You have Finley to be your primary swing reserve. You also have the opportunity to bring back Devin Brown who fits your system well. The Spurs can get a little younger and deeper in the perimeter rotation. They also need to get a legit backup point. I don't think Udrih is the answer.


Sorry...but JR Smith is 6'6...

Another short fucking swing that we already have 30 of on the roster. Only he's a project...

Not what we need. Not what we need.

[T Park]

JR Smith >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ariza

[Doc Jerome]

Spurs also need a reliable backup PG.

[Bruno]

Jumaine Jones can be a good solution. He isn't a great player but is a solid roleplayer.

[whottt]

He's not...and he still leaves us getting royally assfucked by Dirk in the post season next year.

[AMOS7]

Barry has been great, don't trade him unless you get a player who will fit a role as an athletic player who will either start, or come off the bench until he is ready to start (JR Smith yet again, perfect for this).

Finley was amazing all season so I hope they keep him around.

[AceProfits]

I am still pissed that Horry didn't get more opportunity to guard Dirk...what....Dirk would have gone off for 40 instead of 39?


Damn! You are 100% right! Thats why I was saying let Horry and Nazr try that dude! Pop never even tried.

[picnroll]

I like whottt's Trevor Ariza. I also might role the dice on Qyntell Woods if he came at vet minimum

[ducks]

I will post the first pipe dream thread :lol

[SA210]

Speedy will be available!!!

[Spurologist]

..........on the dotted line

[T-Pain]

dont forget future draft picks and a little cash on the side!!!

I agree, lets try to make a run for Jermaine. He wanted to come to SA should the Pacers get rid of their old coach in time (forgot who it was)

[AMOS7]

Management seriously needs to look at options for a consistant big man to compliment Duncan.

[Doc Jerome]

Does anyone think the Spurs will try to make any moves in this years draft?

[pooh]

Haha I HAD to chime in on that. Indy would be brain dead to bite on a trade like that.

P.S. I'm not back, just responding to a thread that was interesting to me that's all.

[Slinkyman]

JR SMITH (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YyLI10NvRI&search=JR%20smith)

just ignore the birdman stuff

[Manu20]

KG for rasho+scola+ beno

[Don Quixote]

Like Indiana will trade their one legit player for the Rasho-Beno pu-pu platter!

[T Park]

Barry has been great

when was this?

[T Park]

puff puff give.

[intlspurshk]

No team take Rasho....very sad.

[AMOS7]

Like Indiana will trade their one legit player for the Rasho-Beno pu-pu platter!

Indiana has a lot of legit players for their future, so it's not that all bad really.

Rasho is not a bad player, he is just not built for the Spurs. Rasho is a soft player but a good defender.

And Beno, well, he's not terrible either, just makes a lot of mistakes and will get better eventually.

Not likely to happen, but it's not as unlikely as we would imagine.

[SA210]

KG, Jermaine, whatever, just do it while keeping our big 3 and sign Speedy.

[ducks]

were not the pacers high on scola?

not saying they do this trade though

[whottt]

Post that crap here...

[GoSpurs90899]

throw in van exel, barry, nazr, horry, and the rest of our bench minus finley

[picnroll]

ducks do you have compromisng pictures of Walsh, Bird and a monkey in a threesome to help work that deal?

[RON ARTEST]

not saying they do this trade though
i hope not. :lol

[jamezyjamez]

Drop the geysers and get a backup PG. Also drop the spare bigs and get one athletic 4/5.

[v2freak]

We'll definitely lose Van Ex. I believe he says he's retiring. I still think we should run Barry at point. He flourished in Seattle like this.

3 years ago, Pop didn't know who to run at PG. I read an article that said Ginobili was the man for the job, Pop just didn't know it. I think that's the case here too, except with Barry

[Slinkyman]

Damn! You are 100% right! Thats why I was saying let Horry and Nazr try that dude! Pop never even tried.

horry is too old and slow to guard dirk and nazr? i won't even go there.

[Doc Jerome]

Speedy Claxton may be the answer for a reliable backup PG. He left SA for an opportunity to start; however, things did not work out for him. He is still high on the Spurs and I'm sure, the Spurs will reciprocate.

[whottt]

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=42241

[T Park]

please no, of the 3 championship team that team was the worst and Sjax is an idiot. He's gone time to move on

If Kept Stephen Jackson would've propelled us to 3 straight titles and wed be in the western Finals right now.

That simple.


02 03 was a great team, give me a break.

[T Park]

We'll definitely lose Van Ex. I believe he says he's retiring. I still think we should run Barry at point. He flourished in Seattle like this.

3 years ago, Pop didn't know who to run at PG. I read an article that said Ginobili was the man for the job, Pop just didn't know it. I think that's the case here too, except with Barry

Barry sucks, deal with it.

[Doc Jerome]

If the Spurs are going to compete with the "twin towers" defensive concept, the parts, i.e. the C spot must be tweeked. An athletic Center is the only answer; not another lumbering slugg.

[Vashner]

You need a slugg and an athletic... you rotate them.. Nazr with a brain basically...

(sorry nazr no offense i mean that in basketball terms)

[clubalien]

Normally I would say WTF why woud pacers trade their franchsie player
but oddly it makes so much sense now
1:) HE reupped because he thoguth he woudl have a certian coach and then they changed coaches. Just so happens we are in the market for a new coach insted of pop too :D
2:)liek i said I thougth they made him their franchise player but i heard there is a conflict with him and ron artest. if he is gone they can build aroudn ron artest
some people wanted him over kidd. and we definelty wanted him if we couldn;t get kidd. some called him the player we need to keep playing twin towers.
He was close to signing but i think it was the coach thing that stoped him from signing here and now that isn;t a problem. With the ron artest situation he might want to get out of the pacers. I was posting this in reply to a thread about getting oneal, but when i went to post the thread disappeared so I am posting it here.

[T Park]

Just so happens we are in the market for a new coach insted of pop too

so you fire your coach a year after winning a championship?

Who do you hire, PJ carlisimo?

Lol thats great.

[Leetonidas]

These are the aquisitions I see this summer:

J.R. Smith
Speedy Claxton
Robertas Javtokas

What do you guys think? What center are we going after?

[Slinkyman]

If Kept Stephen Jackson would've propelled us to 3 straight titles and wed be in the western Finals right now.

That simple.


02 03 was a great team, give me a break.

03 was a great team, but not as good as 05 or 99. and Sjax has done great with the pacers :rolleyes that dude make some of the dumbest passes i've ever seen in my life.

[NZHayden]

yall ready for this?
the only thing the spurs need to change is the intro music at at&t

[Leetonidas]

Let's trade Stan Kelly for Mason. :lol

[Zarko]

The fact is, this team needs to get more athletic.

Duncan is no longer great enough to win soley on his own. You guys can love Tony Parker all you want, and I'm a fan of his too, but if you can increase their chances to win now, then you take that chance when you can. Remember when so many of you were so hellbent on keeping Brown over Finley? What happened there?

If you can aquire an all-star, you take it. Parker is a great player, but if you can find a player that while might be older, you get someone who can help you win now, and have them be your main core with athletic young guys off the bench or at other positions in the rotation, like JR Smith, and whoever else they can pick up.

Besides, I said Randolph was all-star LEVEL, meaning he has talent to bring it and put up numbers to get there. Pair him with Duncan and you have a monster low post set that can hit outside shots.

Finally someone who gets it!

[clubalien]

on the att intro music?

maybe we need a renamed arena

maybe sbc center or alamodome
possibyle call it the building that ian built

[2centsworth]

Spurs need a reliable backup point guard: Marucs Banks has been mentioned but speedy would be nice too.

Then they need an athletic defensive bigman. Javtokas? Mahimmi?

Then they need another 4th quarter finisher like a Stephan Jackson.

Other than that I look for Tim to have an MVP season next year.

[Slinkyman]

FREE AGENT TARGET: JARED JEFFRIES

height: 6-11
weight: 240
age: 24

restricted free agent so chance of signing is unlikely but worth a shot.

06' stats: 6.4 ppg, 2.1 orebs 4.9 rebs, 32% 3pt%

http://www.taipeitimes.com/images/2005/05/08/20050507205753.jpeg

http://img.coxnewsweb.com/B/00/70/60/image_1160700.jpg

[velik_m]

I would say the biggest thing spurs need to do is get rid of small ball, this team is not built for it. But since that is probably not going to happen...

NVE, Marks are probably retiring
Nazr is gone.

1. Get rid of Rasho - he's completly useless in this system and you don't pay a player that amount of money for handing out drinks. There are a lot of team that could use a servicable C. Trade him to a team under cap, or for some expiring contracts or picks or any combination of those(maybe Chicago?)

2. Get rid of Beno - if you lost confidence in him, you'll never get it back. He can play perfect for entire season and make one mistake and you'll again lose all your confidence in him. Let him go elsewhere. (maybe package Beno&Barry for Speedy&Smith?)

3. Sign draft picks Javtokas, Scola, Sanikidze.

Parker/Speedy/3rd PG for minimum
Gino/JR Smith
Finley/Sanikidze
Bowen/Scola/Horry/Oberto
Duncan/Javtokas

[Zarko]

Express News today reported two trade offers for A.I., Minnesota's lottery pick and players for AI or Al Harrington and a Hawks pick for AI.

How can we pass on a trade that moves Parker and filler for AI? The guy would be able to get to the hole just as well, take off pressure of TD and Manu during the regular season, go to the FT line 12-15 times a game. Not to mention, I hear AI can hit a wide open 15 foot jump shot without Chip Enguland's assistance.

Philly does it because after all, how many 24 year old all stars are available for trade? (answer only one = tony parker)

The fact of the matter is, in 6 years, who is Tony going to lead in the playoffs to victory? Our farm team in Europe? Our future number one pick? In that time, Duncan Ginobilli, Bruce and the crew will be retired and we will be a 40 win a season struggling franchise. We need to strike while the championship window is open. I am tired of waiting for Tony to become clutch...

The time to win is now... make the deal happen.

[SequSpur]

I'm tired of the fucking foreigners. It's time to get some American brothas in this mother fucker.

Fuck those guys that the Spurs drafted. They suck worse than Oberto and Rasho.

[DDS4]

Twin tower ball is dead.

The two Western Conference finalists are small ballers. Go fig.

We need:
1) Veteran back-up point guard with speed (i.e Lindsey Hunter, Speedy Claxton type)
2) Athletic 3 or 4 than can rebound and spread the floor

Not much.

[goliath]

Speaking of SJax. I read somewhere that the Pacers gonna resign Peja and not trade Oneil. The person they were gonna try to get rid of was SJax.

Barry+Scola for Jackson?

[Bruno]

A quick list of big SF that :
- are available via FA or trade (no Nocioni or Deng)
- are quite young (less than 30)
- can help us next year (no project player like sanikidze)

Stephen Jackson (trading block)
Al Harrington (UFA)
Jumaine Jones (UFA)
Jared Jeffries (RFA)
Darius Miles (trading block)
Matt Harpring (UFA)
Corey Maggette (I don't think wa have the trade assets to get him but he is available)
Tim Thomas (UFA)

[clubalien]

I think AI is better than tony
in fact if you saw him in the worlds or olympics he was great
only problem with him is that he is kind of old. injuries don;t bother me

but remember when pop wanted sprewell and sprewells was to old now

one of the things about kidd was he was older than tony and that same thing holds true for AI
horry wasn't doing to much this series maybe we over used him in kings series just liek lakers over used him

[sghspurs]

Get rid of Bowen. How stupid of him to NOT foul dirk and let him get a three point play. Plus all those dang threes he missed. Thanks for everything though, you have been great but now its time to move on.

thats ridiculous. bowen is a one of a kind player and as long as he can do his thing out there i hope he's a spur. he just had a bad shooting night.

[jennie]

Yay! So this is the thread where I can vent out my frustrations where no one will read and make absolutely no sense and might not even be true and take it all back in the morning, right? I love SpursTalk!

I love how a bunch of people either want to fire Pop or retool the entire team because we lost to a 60-win team in a close 7-game series. (That's sarcastic, btw.) I think Pop got outcoached this series, but that doesn't mean firing the guy who, if he didn't lead you to 3 titles (which he did, imo), at least didn't screw the team up so bad that they didn't win a title at all. I love how people think that players that barely played the last few games (basically all big men besides Duncan) suck and deserve to be dumped, when they were a big part in winning a championship as recently as LAST YEAR. Pop pretty much played 5 guys to death.

Another thing I love is how the Big 3 is completely faultless and viewed as unmovable. I ain't saying that they should be traded soon, I'm just saying that they're not invulnerable. For one thing, Parker. Maybe I'm just another Parker hater, but he falls for the jumper way too often, can't handle presses, etc. He's freaking talented, but he's not the player you build your team (or your offense) around b/c he doesn't have the selflessness required. (And he's not the guy you should be telling to take 25 shots!) And it's not even his bball skills that bother me the most. Am I the only one who was cringing at his comments being shown during the game? He sounded so cocky. I know how AJ has been talking about calls, but Parker has been whining just as much about cheap calls and blah blah blah blah. I'm surprised Pop let one of his players complain on record like that. I just wish he'd get an attitude adjustment (and stop rapping), because it's just not the Spurs way.

And I hate that we needed a Josh Howard type of player in this series.

I know hindsight's 20/20. Okay, I'm done. So glad my first post could be here.

[Slinkyman]

i can't believe you guys would want AI, he dominates the ball way too much for anybody else on his team to have a chance. Nobody likes playing with him. Next year he's making 18 million, who do we trade? tony + manu? AI still has 60 million left on his contract and that's 60 more then i'd be willing to spend on a guy who's a me first, team second guy who won't show up for practice. we talking about practice!

[Kori Ellis]

Irritational thoughts for the most part. Spurs aren't trading Bruce, Tony, Tim, Manu or Finley.

NVE will retire.

Hopefully Horry will retire (but he won't).

If they can't sign Nazr super cheap, they'll try to sign and trade him.

They'll look at their overseas prospects (Mahinmi, Sanikidze, Javtokas) and see who is ready.

They'll probably consider Scola and if they can't get him here for a reasonable price, then perhaps package his rights in a trade.

They need to get an athletic power forward (Tim is the center on this team). An athletic long 3 to backup Bruce. And a backup point guard.

Beno, Rasho, Nazr, Marks, Horry, Oberto and Brent are all expendable.

The roster won't be overhauled. But it does need to be tweaked.

[clubalien]

that was what i was saying about the interntional team. he was shareing the ball. remeber in order to pass you have to have someone worth passing the ball to. there is a reason lebron and kobe dominate the ball they are the best option on their team

[Slinkyman]

Nets are interested in Nazr but are over the cap, i wonder if they'd give up Nenad Krstic or Nachbar. Also, i remember reading that Jerry West likes Nazr as well and memphis has no center under contract next season maybe they'd give up Battier or Mike Miller or maybe even Warrick? Anyway the spurs have alot of options going into this offseason it should be interesting.

[jamezyjamez]

Nets are interested in Nazr but are over the cap, i wonder if they'd give up Nenad Krstic or Nachbar. Also, i remember reading that Jerry West likes Nazr as well and memphis has no center under contract next season maybe they'd give up Battier or Mike Miller? Anyway the spurs have alot of options going into this offseason it should be interesting.

None of those sound too appealing. Did you catch the DAL-MEM series? Icky. I thought Mike Miller was going to walk over to Stack and hand him the Sixth Man trophy. Miller was garbage; Battier is what people were scared Brand would become. Spurs should shoot for Kenyon Martin.

[loveforthegame]

A few names I like.

PG's: Mike James, Speedy Claxton, Marcus Banks, Jason Hart

SF's: Bonzi Wells (too expensive), Jared Jeffries (restricted), Jumaine Jones, Qyntel Woods, Trevor Ariza (restricted), Ndudi Ebi

Centers: Joel Przybilla, Melvin Ely (restricted)

[clubalien]

I think one of the problems was we never coudl get dirk fouled out. duncan woudl foul out damp , diop, and then they woudl put in KVH, hell it was like they would put random scrub on tim before they woudl put dirk. And we had no one else to challenge dirk so he woudl have to stop them or foul them.

[TDMVPDPOY]

Seriously we shouldve have given stephen jackson more money!!!!

trade barry+scrub to pacers for him
get rid of rasho+nazr for young talent
imo we can always goto europe or look around the nba for cheap scrub centers who can rebound or CATCH A DAMN BALL for minimum salary.

i would rather pay stephen jackson 6-7mill a year then waste it on nazr/rasho/orb.

and i dont think sanikidz is the answer for a long 3, he aint no ak47 or showin any signs of a young ak47.

[Horry For 3!]

A few names I like.

PG's: Mike James, Speedy Claxton, Marcus Banks, Jason Hart

SF's: Bonzi Wells (too expensive), Jared Jeffries (restricted), Jumaine Jones, Qyntel Woods, Trevor Ariza (restricted), Ndudi Ebi

Centers: Joel Przybilla, Melvin Ely (restricted)
Jason Hart???? No. Bonzi Wells = SG, Spurs have wanted Qyntel Woods for awhile now

[TDMVPDPOY]

Jason Hart???? No. Bonzi Wells = SG, Spurs have wanted Qyntel Woods for awhile now

doesnt woods have problemz? like with the law n dogz?

bonzi will be lookin at gettin paid

I think we should start investin into long 3 players now like the mavs, who got powell/howard/daniels, they got like 4-5 long 3s or sumshit, same with the hawks/blazers. we should keep away from guyz who been on scrub teams.

[Thespiralgoeson]

The Spurs just have to get younger. Plain and simple. The team just isn't big enough for all these aging veterans. It's great to have a couple of them, but we have an entire bench full of them here, plus a starter in Bowen.

Seriously... Finley, Bowen, Horry, Van Exel, Barry... None of them under 30.

[ploto]

Nets are interested in Nazr but are over the cap, i wonder if they'd give up Nenad Krstic or Nachbar. Also, i remember reading that Jerry West likes Nazr as well and memphis has no center under contract next season maybe they'd give up Battier or Mike Miller or maybe even Warrick? Anyway the spurs have alot of options going into this offseason it should be interesting.
Why on earth would the Nets want Nazr when they have Nenad playing for a million dollars a season??

[spur219]

Get Younger!

[ManuTastic]

Spurs have come to the crossroads called 'The New NBA.' Look at who's in the WCF now: Phx and Dallas. Two teams that feature fast, young, run-full-throttle styles. Small ball, in other words. And right now, I'd bet big on either of them beating Detroit or (especially) Miami. The big, slow, grind-it-out teams are fast fading into history, since the league decided to outlaw hand-checking on the perimeter and force teams to feature talent instead of brawn. Personally, I applaud it, since I'd rather see more Manus and Marions and fewer Mournings and Ewings.
But Spurs can't really win at small ball, at least not with this aging roster. Or should I say, aging bench. Spurs were supposed to have 4 aces this year: Tim, Tony, Manu, and a deep, veteran bench. Only the 1st three showed up last night.
So what do they do? Either revamp the bench to get more youth and quickness, or figure out how to defend small ball teams with the personnel they have--I dunno, maybe practice a zone? Something that will really slow down the free-wheeling teams?

I"d prefer the youth/quickness change, but I don't think this team has enough contract flexibility to make big changes.

[clubalien]

fun full throttle styles? hmm odd that was just what we woudl have implemented had we got Kidd. maybe we wanted kidd because we knew the nba was going to fix the nba to favor that type of game

[ColoradoSpursFan]

We need to fix the mental breakdowns. The fact is bungled plays at the end of games and blowing 3 - 4 point leads in the last minute. Free throws have killed us in too many games.

[Gummi]

A guy I would like the Spurs to take a good look at this off-season is Devean George. He's a free agent. That guy would be a nice bench player and he's also a nice one-on-one defender. He can knock down the open three and is long/strong enough to defend guys like Dirk and maybe even Amare when he comes back. At 6-8 and 235 lbs he's stronger/taller then Bowen and Finley.

I know he's been a enemy for a long time with the Lakers but so was Horry. He would also be nice in the small ball game at the 4 with Duncan at 5.

[CubanMustGo]

1. Get rid of Rasho - he's completly useless in this system and you don't pay a player that amount of money for handing out drinks. There are a lot of team that could use a servicable C. Trade him to a team under cap, or for some expiring contracts or picks or any combination of those(maybe Chicago?)

Nobody WANTS Rasho. Spurs have been shopping his ass for at least the last year. And Pop not playing him at all in this series didn't exactly help.


2. Get rid of Beno - if you lost confidence in him, you'll never get it back. He can play perfect for entire season and make one mistake and you'll again lose all your confidence in him. Let him go elsewhere. (maybe package Beno&Barry for Speedy&Smith?)

Sorry, Speedy and Smith don't play for the Knicks. Nobody else would be dumb enough to make that trade.


3. Sign draft picks Javtokas, Scola, Sanikidze.

Well, if they can get Scola's buyout down ... but is that going to help the speed problem?

[Drive Like Jehu]

Well, if they can get Scola's buyout down ... but is that going to help the speed problem?

I've read that Scola is in his last year of his Euro contract. His team will want to work out a buyout deal or risk getting nothing in return next year.

[spurster]

The Spurs just barely missed vs. a team that gives us the biggest mismatch ulcers. Wholesale changes are not needed, but some youth need to be signed (or used, i.e., Beno)

Out - Nazr, NVE

Was lost, but now is found - Play Beno as one of the backup PGs.

Reassigned - Play Brent as the other backup PG.

In - Some combination of Javtokas, Mahinmi, Sanikidze, and Scola.

[degenerate_gambler]

Spurs should shoot for Kenyon Martin.



You're joking right?

[DarrinS]

They need to get an athletic power forward (Tim is the center on this team). An athletic long 3 to backup Bruce. And a backup point guard.

Beno, Rasho, Nazr, Marks, Horry, Oberto and Brent are all expendable.



Agree 100% with this.


For PF, I would love to have a guy like Elton Brand on the Spurs.

As for PG, is Speedy Claxton available?

Backup for Bruce? Is Tayshaun Prince available?

[Slinkyman]

Why on earth would the Nets want Nazr when they have Nenad playing for a million dollars a season??

Nets are looking for a big to play along side nenad, just what a read from nytimes.com so take it for what it's worth

[LEONARD]

Spurs Roster situation for anybody that cares...

http://www.hoopshype.com/salaries/san_antonio.htm

[yavozerb]

I do not think the spurs will go after a fa center due to duncan getting more playing time there due to the new wave of nba bb (small ball)! Look for the spurs to trade barry, s&t nazr, signing scola, Keeping rasho for another quality season...

[SPARKY]

A guy I would like the Spurs to take a good look at this off-season is Devean George. He's a free agent. That guy would be a nice bench player and he's also a nice one-on-one defender. He can knock down the open three and is long/strong enough to defend guys like Dirk and maybe even Amare when he comes back. At 6-8 and 235 lbs he's stronger/taller then Bowen and Finley.

I know he's been a enemy for a long time with the Lakers but so was Horry. He would also be nice in the small ball game at the 4 with Duncan at 5.

George would be ok but the team would have to split the MLE between him and a backup point. Jumaine Jones might be more doable.

[redskinfan]

we need Jeff Foster that dude rocks and maybe we can draft PJ Tucker

[dav4463]

Michael Olowakandi ? Is he worth a look?