Kings > Suns

[Sacramental]

Yeah the suns are the ones in the playoffs, but head-to-head, the Kings are better than the Phoenix Suns. Suns play NO defense at all. And like I always say, it's hard to talk about the Kings while they're making big changes and end the 2nd part of the season with the 2nd best record in the league, but kings > suns.

[Leetonidas]

Okay...?

[Dunc]

Yeah the suns are the ones in the playoffs, but head-to-head, the Kings are better than the Phoenix Suns. Suns play NO defense at all. And like I always say, it's hard to talk about the Kings while they're making big changes and end the 2nd part of the season with the 2nd best record in the league, but kings > suns.


Too bad the Kings aren't around to back that up, eh?

[Darrin]

Yeah the suns are the ones in the playoffs, but head-to-head, the Kings are better than the Phoenix Suns. Suns play NO defense at all. And like I always say, it's hard to talk about the Kings while they're making big changes and end the 2nd part of the season with the 2nd best record in the league, but kings > suns.

Since the West is mired in teams that win 40-50 games, is that really saying something? And why bring this up? Are you saying the Kings should be in the Conference Finals right now, or making a bold prediction they will be there next season?

[BillsCarnage]

Yeah the suns are the ones in the playoffs, but head-to-head, the Kings are better than the Phoenix Suns. Suns play NO defense at all. And like I always say, it's hard to talk about the Kings while they're making big changes and end the 2nd part of the season with the 2nd best record in the league, but kings > suns.

Hey Ass Monkey.. Catch the game tonight??!?! :lmao

[Dunc]

Maybe Kings fans will learn to shut up about who their team is better than also.

[baseline bum]

Kings Fans IQ < Mavs Fans IQ

[RON ARTEST]

Hey Ass Monkey.. Catch the game tonight??!?! :lmao
you act like the suns are gonna win it all this year. i hope they do but get real it aint gonna happen with the defense they play.

[Sacramental]

Hey Ass Monkey.. Catch the game tonight??!?! :lmao

Who else besides me thinks this guy is 12 years old? Wow, 1 game...

[BillsCarnage]

i hope they do but get real it aint gonna happen with the defense they play.

Gee the defense they played in the last 3:43 wasn't too bad, was it?

[Sacramental]

Gee the defense they played in the last 3:43 wasn't too bad, was it?

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "THE LAST 3:43" HAHAHAHAHAH :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

[RON ARTEST]

Gee the defense they played in the last 3:43 wasn't too bad, was it?
:lmao so now they play defense because dallas didnt shoot well the last 3 minutes and 43 seconds? :lol that shows how bad thier defense is.

[RON ARTEST]

Who else besides me thinks this guy is 12 years old? Wow, 1 game...
what? no hes not 12 years old. thats a very rude comment.



















































































hes 5 years old.

[leemajors]

excremental, kings are at home, suns are in the conference finals even after losing amare this year. lame thread.

[MadDog73]

Only losers talk Smack about teams that are still playing....







oh, wait.

[RON ARTEST]

Only losers talk Smack about teams that are still playing....







oh, wait.
what? most of you spurs fans have been talking crap about the mavs havent you? last time i checked the spurs were fishing and the mavs were still playing also. and we werent talking smack were telling the truth, the suns will NEVER win a title with thier lack of defense.

[leemajors]

what? most of you spurs fans have been talking crap about the mavs havent you? last time i checked the spurs were fishing and the mavs were still playing also. and we werent talking smack were telling the truth, the suns will NEVER win a title with thier lack of defense.

that post zoomed right over your head :lol

[leather_jerk]

last i checked, your defensive-minded kings blew a 17 point half time lead to those no defense playing suns, costing you the 7th seed, and a chance to match up with them so that everyone can see how much better y'all were.

(note that i'm aware of the lakers blowing a 3-1 series lead, but they were clearly the better team, and deserved to win. you won't catch me bad mouthing them after the fact)

[JamStone]

Kings > the rest of the NBA

... except when it comes to winning playoff games.

But, watch out! As soon as they learn how to win playoff games, they're going to be the best ever. Winning playoff games is overrated anyway. Kings are the best. Period.

[BillsCarnage]

Kings > the rest of the NBA

... except when it comes to winning playoff games.

But, watch out! As soon as they learn how to win playoff games, they're going to be the best ever. Winning playoff games is overrated anyway. Kings are the best. Period.

:lmao

20yrs in Suctown and they've been to 10 playoffs. Of those 10 playoffs SIX were first round exits.

[TheSanityAnnex]

:lmao

20yrs in Suctown and they've been to 10 playoffs. Of those 10 playoffs SIX were first round exits.The Kings have the second longest playoffs streak going right now behind the Spurs. When your team accomplishes that, we will talk.

[RON ARTEST]

last i checked, your defensive-minded kings blew a 17 point half time lead to those no defense playing suns, costing you the 7th seed, and a chance to match up with them so that everyone can see how much better y'all were.

(note that i'm aware of the lakers blowing a 3-1 series lead, but they were clearly the better team, and deserved to win. you won't catch me bad mouthing them after the fact)
wasnt that a regular season game? :lol im just glad your lakers choked for once. :lmao

[RON ARTEST]

:lmao

20yrs in Suctown and they've been to 10 playoffs. Of those 10 playoffs SIX were first round exits.
you suns fans still havent answered my question. can the suns win a title with thier horrible defense? since you seem like an idiot you will probably say yes. :lol

[Sacramental]

I'm just gonna let everyone trash the Kings for now, but i guaruntee, i GUARUNTEE that Sacramento will be in the top 3 in the west next season. Top 4 or 5 overall, so smack away right now, and just wait till next season.

[Pistonsfan01]

I'm just gonna let everyone trash the Kings for now, but i guaruntee, i GUARUNTEE that Sacramento will be in the top 3 in the west next season. Top 4 or 5 overall, so smack away right now, and just wait till next season.
when you lose again? in the 2nd round this time maybe?

[BillsCarnage]

The Kings have the second longest playoffs streak going right now behind the Spurs. When your team accomplishes that, we will talk.

yer kidding right?? You've been to the WCF's ONE FOOKIN TIME!!

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=phoenixpost&prov=st&type=lgns

16 out of those same 20yrs and 13 straight.



you suns fans still havent answered my question. can the suns win a title with thier horrible defense? since you seem like an idiot you will probably say yes.

Since you are obviously an idiot, the Suns nor the Kings have ever been known as defense first franchises. A team doesn't get to the WCF's simply by outscoring opponents. You're a fookin motard if you think that's true. Even the Queens played some D in their "hey day" of a two year run.

Hope you enjoy your shit hole cow town once the team bolts for Vegas.

[Sacramental]

Hope you enjoy your shit hole cow town once the team bolts for Vegas.

Ok dude, you sounds so childish. Trash talking cities over a forum is ridiculous, don't go that far. You know nothing about the City of Sacto so why bullshit ? Cowtown, hmph.... :lol :lol

[TheSanityAnnex]

Since you are obviously an idiot, the Suns nor the Kings have ever been known as defense first franchises. A team doesn't get to the WCF's simply by outscoring opponents. You're a fookin motard if you think that's true. Even the Queens played some D in their "hey day" of a two year run.You do realize that during the Kings "hey day" they were one of the top defensive teams in nearly every category. That is a little more than playing "some" D.



You call others idiots, and then you make a statement like this?

Hope you enjoy your shit hole cow town once the team bolts for Vegas.Do realize exactly how hard it would be to convince the Casino owners to take NBA Basketball down from their Sports Books?

[JMarkJohns]

Ok dude, you sounds so childish. Trash talking cities over a forum is ridiculous, don't go that far. You know nothing about the City of Sacto so why bullshit ? Cowtown, hmph.... :lol :lol

The majority of fans would choose "childish" over "ignorant" which is what tha majority of Sacramento Kings fans are showing forth in this thread.


Yeah the suns are the ones in the playoffs, but head-to-head, the Kings are better than the Phoenix Suns.

Head to head how?

On paper?

C'mon...

I understand you're a fan, so you're entitled to be a homer, but to claim you team, a loser in the first round, is better than a team that's still playing two rounds later is just dumb.

Hell, your inference of "we're better defensively since Artest has arrived, thus better than the defenseless Suns" isn't even supported by anything, considering the Kings went 0-2 vs. the Suns with Artest in the lineup.


And like I always say, it's hard to talk about the Kings while they're making big changes and end the 2nd part of the season with the 2nd best record in the league, but kings > suns.

What the hell does this even mean?

You always say it's hard to talk about the Kings while they're making big changes? Why is it hard to talk about them? Or more importantly, why are you always saying it's hard to talk about them?

You're nucken futs to the 'enth degree!

[JMarkJohns]

You do realize that during the Kings "hey day" they were one of the top defensive teams in nearly every category. That is a little more than playing "some" D.

Yeah, you're going to have to offer more than words on this one.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Yeah, you're going to have to offer more than words on this one.
Here you go................I can't paste it here because the format is all fucked up, but check the stats for yourself. 00-01, 01-02, 02-03

http://www.basketballreference.com/teams/teampage.htm?tm=SAC&lg=n


I'm searching for the rankings now, they are a bitch to find.

[JMarkJohns]

Yeah... until I see rankings, I can't give you credit. From just a brief search they appear to be much worse over said period than San Antonio and on par with Phoenix in PPG allowed, FG% allowed and rebounding.

I don't every remember the Suns being known as defensive teams, so until I see rankings, I'm going to guess Kings were mid-to-late teens in the majority of stats because that's where I'd guess Phoenix was during the same stretch.

EDIT: Well, according to that sites "defensive efficiency" ratings, Sacramento turns out to be a very good defensive team over that stretch.

Seventh in 2000-01
Sixth in 2001-02
Second in 2002-03

However, I dispute this because a glance at the raw numbers says the system is screwy. Take your conference final season of 01-02.

Sacramento was 19th in PPG allowed, 12th in FG% allowed, 7th in rebounds per game, 15th in total steals, 22nd in total blocks and 11th in forced turnovers.

How in the world does this equate to sixth?

[TheSanityAnnex]

Yeah... until I see rankings, I can't give you credit. From just a brief search they appear to be much worse over said period than San Antonio and on par with Phoenix in PPG allowed, FG% allowed and rebounding.

I don't every remember the Suns being known as defensive teams, so until I see rankings, I'm going to guess Kings were mid-to-late teens in the majority of stats because that's where I'd guess Phoenix was during the same stretch.Yeah, I know its a bitch to compare stats with other teams, but I guess you'll just have to take my word for it. I'm having trouble finding "actual" rankings, and I don't feel like running the numbers myself. During that two year stretch though, I believe they actually led the league in FG% allowed for a year.

And I'm not claiming the Kings have ever been known as a defensive team, but for two years they were a very solid defensive group. Right now though, the Kings are dropping that offensive mindset and look to be mimicking the likes of Detroit/San Antonio with their defensive look.

[RON ARTEST]

yer kidding right?? You've been to the WCF's ONE FOOKIN TIME!!

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=phoenixpost&prov=st&type=lgns

16 out of those same 20yrs and 13 straight.



Since you are obviously an idiot, the Suns nor the Kings have ever been known as defense first franchises. A team doesn't get to the WCF's simply by outscoring opponents. You're a fookin motard if you think that's true. Even the Queens played some D in their "hey day" of a two year run.

Hope you enjoy your shit hole cow town once the team bolts for Vegas.so your saying the suns play defense? you got to be kidding.

[TheSanityAnnex]

EDIT: Well, according to that sites "defensive efficiency" ratings, Sacramento turns out to be a very good defensive team over that stretch.

Seventh in 2000-01
Sixth in 2001-02
Second in 2002-03

However, I dispute this because a glance at the raw numbers says the system is screwy. Take your conference final season of 01-02.

Sacramento was 19th in PPG allowed, 12th in FG% allowed, 7th in rebounds per game, 15th in total steals, 22nd in total blocks and 11th in forced turnovers.

How in the world does this equate to sixth?That is a very good question. One that I have no clue on how to answer. :lol

[RON ARTEST]

The majority of fans would choose "childish" over "ignorant" which is what tha majority of Sacramento Kings fans are showing forth in this thread.



Head to head how?

On paper?

C'mon...

I understand you're a fan, so you're entitled to be a homer, but to claim you team, a loser in the first round, is better than a team that's still playing two rounds later is just dumb.

Hell, your inference of "we're better defensively since Artest has arrived, thus better than the defenseless Suns" isn't even supported by anything, considering the Kings went 0-2 vs. the Suns with Artest in the lineup.



What the hell does this even mean?

You always say it's hard to talk about the Kings while they're making big changes? Why is it hard to talk about them? Or more importantly, why are you always saying it's hard to talk about them?

You're nucken futs to the 'enth degree!
the kings with artest are way better than the suns defensively. but then again who isnt? :lol and your saying the kings are 0-2 against the suns with artest but what does that have to do with defense? i said the kings are a better defensive team then the suns with artest, check the stats.

[RON ARTEST]

last night charles barkley asked nash if they even talk about defense. :lmao probably not.

[JMarkJohns]

the kings with artest are way better than the suns defensively. but then again who isnt? :lol and your saying the kings are 0-2 against the suns with artest but what does that have to do with defense? i said the kings are a better defensive team then the suns with artest, check the stats.

Did I quote you? No?! OK then, sit down and shut up until spoken to.

Thanks.

[TheSanityAnnex]

^^^^

Jmark-


Any theories on how the Kings got such a high defensive effeciency rating with those numbers?

[JMarkJohns]

Yeah, I know its a bitch to compare stats with other teams, but I guess you'll just have to take my word for it. I'm having trouble finding "actual" rankings, and I don't feel like running the numbers myself. During that two year stretch though, I believe they actually led the league in FG% allowed for a year.

And I'm not claiming the Kings have ever been known as a defensive team, but for two years they were a very solid defensive group. Right now though, the Kings are dropping that offensive mindset and look to be mimicking the likes of Detroit/San Antonio with their defensive look.

It blew my mind to find out the 02-03 Suns were second in that site's "defensive efficiency" rankings. They played slower and weren't bad as I recall, but I never thought them to be good.

[Dunc]

last night charles barkley asked nash if they even talk about defense. :lmao probably not.

:lmao

Nah, playing no defense is probably how they have such energy on the offensive end. I cannot believe a team that played back to back 7 game series with a 7 man rotation had the legs to score 121 points in a game. But then, it was against the Mavs.... :lol

[JMarkJohns]

^^^^

Jmark-


Any theories on how the Kings got such a high defensive effeciency rating with those numbers?

My guess is they figure FG% allowed higher than PPG allowed and other miscelaneous stats since tempo directly affects the latter more than anything.

FG% is a constant, reguardless of tempo. Meanwhile rebounds will shift, but a good defensive FG% team will get more rebounds so it also probably figures in higher.

However, I really have no clue and they don't give an equation. They, like Phoenix during that stretch, look pretty solid, but nothing overwelmed me.

Still, it says they were a top-10 team. Therefore it says you were right.

Props...

[TheSanityAnnex]

My guess is they figure FG% allowed higher than PPG allowed and other miscelaneous stats since tempo directly affects the latter more than anything.

FG% is a constant, reguardless of tempo. Meanwhile rebounds will shift, but a good defensive FG% team will get more rebounds so it also probably figures in higher.

However, I really have no clue and they don't give an equation. They, like Phoenix during that stretch, look pretty solid, but nothing overwelmed me.

Still, it says they were a top-10 team. Therefore it says you were right.
Props...Interesting............................It would be much easier if they just layed out the formulas that help them come to these conclusions. And the Suns were ranked second in a defensive category??? :wow There must be something wrong with this formula :lol

I enjoyed your last line.

By the way, how much do average tickets run for the Suns games? How far is the arena from Tempe? I'm moving out to AZ next semester to finish off at ASU and need some advice.

[JMarkJohns]

By the way, how much do average tickets run for the Suns games? How far is the arena from Tempe? I'm moving out to AZ next semester to finish off at ASU and need some advice.

Not the person to ask as I don't live in the Valley.

Best ask Bill :)

Seriously... He went to ASU, so I figure he's willing to hook up a fellow Devil.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Not the person to ask as I don't live in the Valley.

Best ask Bill :)

Seriously... He went to ASU, so I figure he's willing to hook up a fellow Devil.
I don't feel like dealing with his carnage.

[RON ARTEST]

:lmao

Nah, playing no defense is probably how they have such energy on the offensive end. I cannot believe a team that played back to back 7 game series with a 7 man rotation had the legs to score 121 points in a game. But then, it was against the Mavs.... :lol
yeah these suns fans are in denial if they think they play defense. they almost let you score just so they can get the ball back and run. :lol

[JMarkJohns]

Retard say what!


...What?...

May be childish, but hey... :elephant

[RON ARTEST]

Did I quote you? No?! OK then, sit down and shut up until spoken to.

Thanks.
spoken to? this is cyberspace dumbass. i didnt know anyone was speaking. anyway you still didnt answer my question about the suns playing no defense. the kings before artest and the dallas teams in the past never won a title because they didnt play defense. the suns wont be any different. just face the fact. i like the suns dont get me wrong but they will NEVER EVER win a title if they continue to run and shoot and play no defense.

[RON ARTEST]

Retard say what!



May be childish, but hey... :elephant
:lol

[JMarkJohns]

:blah :blah :blah

[TheSanityAnnex]

Stop jerking eachother off and get back to the SMACK TALKING!!!!

[Dunc]

yeah these suns fans are in denial if they think they play defense. they almost let you score just so they can get the ball back and run. :lol

You know what though? I think that's part of the master plan, which sounds so ridiculous because it should never be able to work, but look at them! They took the 3rd seed in the competitive West, they won two 7 game series (and you'd have to think their legs would tire after that with only a 7 man rotation), and they lead off the WCF with a road win. There's something weird about that team. They turn just about every philosophy about winning in the NBA on it's head. Just fucking bizarre. I still don't think they'll win this series, but just to be where they are is amazing.

[JMarkJohns]

:yield

[Dunc]

^:lmao

[TheSanityAnnex]

You know what though? I think that's part of the master plan, which sounds so ridiculous because it should never be able to work, but look at them! They took the 3rd seed in the competitive West, they won two 7 game series (and you'd have to think their legs would tire after that with only a 7 man rotation), and they lead off the WCF with a road win. There's something weird about that team. They turn just about every philosophy about winning in the NBA on it's head. Just fucking bizarre. I still don't think they'll win this series, but just to be where they are is amazing.They remind me very much of the Kings of a few years ago. No one thought that style of ball could win, and it didn't.

[RON ARTEST]

why are you mad at me because im saying your team wont win a title because of thier style of play? its the truth. im just trying to help you now so you dont get dissapointed later. :lol

[RON ARTEST]

i know my team will never win a chamionship with the defense we play but i dont wanna admit it.

[JMarkJohns]

I am a Johnny Come Lately who can't be creative without ripping someone else off

[RON ARTEST]

amare has two bum knees. :lol

[JMarkJohns]

:pctoss *cause he can't think of a smart reply*

[JMarkJohns]

As a Queens fan, :gpower

[Dunc]

:lol

[TheSanityAnnex]

I know these guys aren't making up quotes from one another

[TheSanityAnnex]

We are :hang without Amare. Quote me.

[JMarkJohns]

:angel :worthy:

[TheSanityAnnex]

I have been :owned

[RON ARTEST]

all of this quoting eacother crap is just his way of avoiding the fact that his suns dont play defense.

[JMarkJohns]

all of this quoting eacother crap is just his way of avoiding the fact that his suns dont play defense.

That was never the point of this thread, thus not my problem.

The title of this thread is "Kings > Suns". Not "Suns don't play defense". You diverting attention to yourself through lame attempts at appearing insightful don't appeal to me.

Solly Cholly, now... I'm through with you. Go sit down again...

[RON ARTEST]

That was never the point of this thread, thus not my problem.

The title of this thread is "Kings > Suns". Not "Suns don't play defense". You diverting attention to yourself through lame attempts at appearing insightful don't appeal to me.

Solly Cholly, now... I'm through with you. Go sit down again...
well im just glad you admit that the suns dont play defense. you scared me for a minute there. :lol i was actually starting to believe you thought the suns play defense. :lmao

[TheSanityAnnex]

well im just glad you admit that the suns dont play defense. you scared me for a minute there. :lol i was actually starting to believe you thought the suns play defense. :lmaoThey did play defense, the same year the Kings played defense. I know, its alarming to hear those two teams and defense in the same sentence.



All I know is this.......................................next year, the Kings will be a defensive force to be dealt with, and the Suns will not.

[JMarkJohns]

well im just glad you admit that the suns dont play defense. you scared me for a minute there. :lol i was actually starting to believe you thought the suns play defense. :lmao

You read too much into things. I have still never given a thought on you babblings...

[RON ARTEST]

All I know is this.......................................next year, the Kings will be a defensive force to be dealt with, and the Suns will not.
i know, i cant wait.

[RON ARTEST]

You read too much into things. I have still never given a thought on you babblings...
i thought you said you were through with me? enough is enough. :lol

[JMarkJohns]

...the Kings will be a defensive force to be dealt with, and the Suns will not.

Delusions of granduer...

Remember, before Kurt Thomas went down, John Hollinger had Phoenix rated as a top-5 adjusted defense. I believe they were even top-2 ranked for a while.

When the Suns get their starting frontcourt back, we'll talk.

Until then, the Suns are still playing with their bench while the Kings are sitting hope with their starters.

I thought the point was to win? Until the purpose of the NBA season is changed to being the best defensive team, I don't think fans of a team ousted from the playoffs can talk smack about a team still in the playoffs.

[rayray2k8]

fookin motard :lol
Im actually enjoying this.

[RON ARTEST]

Delusions of granduer...

Remember, before Kurt Thomas went down, John Hollinger had Phoenix rated as a top-5 adjusted defense. I believe they were even top-2 ranked for a while.

When the Suns get their starting frontcourt back, we'll talk.

Until then, the Suns are still playing with their bench while the Kings are sitting hope with their starters.

I thought the point was to win? Until the purpose of the NBA season is changed to being the best defensive team, I don't think fans of a team ousted from the playoffs can talk smack about a team still in the playoffs.
i dont care what that stat freak john hollinger said. :lol even with kurt thomas the suns played no defense and gave up layup after layup. i can talk smack about the suns because i know they wont win a title with the way they play.

[JMarkJohns]

Stupidity...
*trying my hardest to ignore*


Stupidity...
*trying my hardest to ignore*


Stupidity...
*trying my damnedest to ignore*

[RON ARTEST]

*trying my hardest to ignore*


*trying my hardest to ignore*


*trying my damnedest to ignore*
i just cant quit you jmarkjohns.

[JMarkJohns]

i just cant quit you jmarkjohns.

That's the gayest thing I've ever read...

Shh... That sound you hear is me slinking away from this thread.

Going
Going
Gone

[BillsCarnage]

My guess is they figure FG% allowed higher than PPG allowed and other miscelaneous stats since tempo directly affects the latter more than anything.

JM, if that defensive efficiency is silmar to the one that ranked the Suns this season then it's a decieving formula - guessing it is. Remember before KT went down the Suns were #1 or #2 based on that formula.

However, defense will always/generally be judged on three things - Points given up, FG %, and rebounds.



By the way, how much do average tickets run for the Suns games? How far is the arena from Tempe? I'm moving out to AZ next semester to finish off at ASU and need some advice.


Not the person to ask as I don't live in the Valley.

Best ask Bill :)

Seriously... He went to ASU, so I figure he's willing to hook up a fellow Devil.


I don't feel like dealing with his carnage.

What's wrong Colonel Sanders can't have a regular discussion because you're insulted by BBall debate? Tisk, tisk...

Anyway... Suns Tix are some of the highest in town. An upper deck - depending on local - will run @ $28-$40 and they only go up from there. Those prices are for crappy sections too.
http://www.seats3d.com/nba/phoenix_suns/


Tempe is a great city - you'll love it. The scenery is mighty fine if you catch my drift ;-)
The arena is about 15min from Tempe once on the freeway.

JM, i never "formally" attended ASU. I'm just native to Tempe and have been supporting ASU since i was knee high to a keg.

[BillsCarnage]

You know what though? I think that's part of the master plan, which sounds so ridiculous because it should never be able to work, but look at them! They took the 3rd seed in the competitive West, they won two 7 game series (and you'd have to think their legs would tire after that with only a 7 man rotation), and they lead off the WCF with a road win. There's something weird about that team. They turn just about every philosophy about winning in the NBA on it's head. Just fucking bizarre. I still don't think they'll win this series, but just to be where they are is amazing.

The Suns are a bunch of Idiots. And in that sense i'm comparing them to the BoSox of a few years ago, when they won the title; just didn't care. They're just 'ballin and having fun. It's crazy.

That three days of rest may have recharged them enough for one last run. It can't be explained, just watch and enjoyed.

[leather_jerk]

wasnt that a regular season game? :lol im just glad your lakers choked for once. :lmao

I'll take that as a compliment. :spin

Stick around, maybe you can learn some class from a great organization like the spurs, the only true rivalry my lakers have had since 98-99.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Stick around, maybe you can learn some class from a great organization like the spurs, the only true rivalry my lakers have had since 98-99.This coming from a guy who's Coach called Sac a cowtown and compared Adelman to Hitler? Please, you have no right to talk about class.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Bill-


Thanks for the info. Hopefully Amare is back when I arrive.

[BillsCarnage]

Bill-

Thanks for the info. Hopefully Amare is back when I arrive.

Oh, he'll be back and with a shinny new jersey #!

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2459075

Ya know someone else in recent Suns history wore #1 and he wasn't worth a penny! Odd # choice.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Wow.


I really hope what I'm reading is not true.....................................


Monarchs coach John Whisenant to be named head coach for the Kings.

[BillsCarnage]

Monarchs coach John Whisenant to be named head coach for the Kings.

Where do you see that? That's an odd choice if true.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Where do you see that? That's an odd choice if true.Its all over the Kings boards right now, and coming from a pretty reliable source. It is supposed to be announced after this holiday weekend.


At least Artest has given him his endorsement. I guess that is a positive.

[BillsCarnage]

So is he going to bail on the monarchs just as the season gets started? Still seems like an odd choice considering they've been asking teams for persmission to talk to their people.

[tempe85]

The Kings have the second longest playoffs streak going right now behind the Spurs. When your team accomplishes that, we will talk.

The Suns have made the playoffs 16 of the last 18 years with one finals appreance and four more Western Conference Finals appearances (five if you count the year they made the finals).

The Kings have made the playoffs 8 consecutive seasons with only one Western Conference Finals appearance (and only 9 total playoff appearances in the last 20 seasons).

Hm... I wonder which team has accomplished more... :lol

[TheSanityAnnex]

So is he going to bail on the monarchs just as the season gets started? Still seems like an odd choice considering they've been asking teams for persmission to talk to their people.That does suck for the Monarchs. It does seem odd to me as well. I was hoping for Mario Elie.

Have any WNBA coaches ever made this transition?

[TheSanityAnnex]

The Suns have made the playoffs 16 of the last 18 years with one finals appreance and four more Western Conference Finals appearances (five if you count the year they made the finals).

The Kings have made the playoffs 8 consecutive seasons with only one Western Conference Finals appearance.

Hm... I wonder which team has accomplished more... :lol
Phoenix Suns
Playoff Appearances: 27
Overall Playoff Record: 114-122
NBA Championships: 0

Sacramento Kings
Playoff Appearances: 29
Overall Playoff Record: 80-107
NBA Championships: 1 (1951) :lol

[BillsCarnage]

Phoenix Suns
Playoff Appearances: 27
Overall Playoff Record: 114-122
NBA Championships: 0

Sacramento Kings
Playoff Appearances: 29
Overall Playoff Record: 80-107
NBA Championships: 1 (1951) :lol

While that is a "franchise" title, Sactown fans have zero reason claim to it as their "own". Heck they weren't even called the "Kings" back then and they've had four city names.

For any sacramento fan to claim that title as their own is a losing argument.

From http://www.nba.com/kings/history/team_history.html

"The franchise's glory years are now a distant memory."

Holy cow you're own website disses the team.

Afterall this thread is about the Kings, not the Royals from the late 40's/early50's. Were any of you there to partake in the celebration? Nope. And, the SACRAMENTO Kings barely have anything. Maybe they should change their name to the Vagabons after the move.

This thread is one Kings fan claiming the Kings>Suns, which is just flat out looney anyway you look at it.

[TheSanityAnnex]

While that is a "franchise" title, Sactown fans have zero reason claim to it as their "own". Heck they weren't even called the "Kings" back then and they've had four city names.
They above poster asked which team has accomplished more. So even if you discount that title, which I only threw in there for shits and giggles, both teams have won squat. So I'd say its a draw.

[BillsCarnage]

They above poster asked which team has accomplished more. So even if you discount that title, which I only threw in there for shits and giggles, both teams have won squat. So I'd say its a draw.

true dat. In the end, trophies are all that matter.

[leemajors]

but hey, the monarchs coach does have a dub nba title!

[TheSanityAnnex]

but hey, the monarchs coach does have a dub nba title!
His track record is quite good. I don't know if he can earn the respect of male basketball players though, having never played himself and coached women the last 4 years.


As long as Artest is happy though, it should work out.

I wonder if he'll try and incorporate his white line defense that worked so well for the Monarchs.

[leemajors]

it would probably be easier than trying to put a female coach in. if he can coach, he can coach.

[RON ARTEST]

its just a rumor guys. the maloofs havent even interviewed him yet. they only interviewed musselman and mario so far.

[TheSanityAnnex]

its just a rumor guys. the maloofs havent even interviewed him yet. they only interviewed musselman and mario so far.
I actually think they have interviewed him.

[RON ARTEST]

I actually think they have interviewed him.
read the sacramento bee.

[TheSanityAnnex]

read the sacramento bee.
I live in Long Beach, how am I going to read the bee?

I hope I'm wrong, but it looks like Whis.

[leemajors]

you can read it online, there is free registration.

[TheSanityAnnex]

you can read it online, there is free registration.I don't care for the Bee. And I definitely don't need any annoying emails being sent to me after registration.

[TheSanityAnnex]

RON ARTEST-


The coach mentioned is coming from VF21. I know you dislike her.........as do I, but you know whatever source she has had over the years has been very reliable. Lets hope this one time she is wrong.

[RON ARTEST]

RON ARTEST-


The coach mentioned is coming from VF21. I know you dislike her.........as do I, but you know whatever source she has had over the years has been very reliable. Lets hope this one time she is wrong.
yeah im praying shes wrong. because most of the time the bitch is right.

[Dunc]

The Suns are a bunch of Idiots. And in that sense i'm comparing them to the BoSox of a few years ago, when they won the title; just didn't care. They're just 'ballin and having fun. It's crazy.

That three days of rest may have recharged them enough for one last run. It can't be explained, just watch and enjoyed.

Exactly!! That's a fantastic way of putting it. Just amazing to watch them. Alot of fun, too. I remember coming out of the timeout before the gamewinner for the Suns, Diaw was grinning or laughing or something, and this is the guy who the play was drawn up for, joking around with 4 seconds left on the clock. I don't get it, but I hope that if the Pistons don't win it, the Suns do. I'm hooked, lol.

[JMarkJohns]

I truly believe these Suns know that they shouldn't be here. Not with all that's happened to them along the way. Not with what they've had to play with in these playoffs.

I truly believe they know it and I truly believe that's why they're still playing.

No pressure when you've exceeded every single expectation imaginable.

Most people had them missing the playoffs all together.

[Dunc]

And that's why they're so damn hard to kill. Gotta respect that.

[Sacramental]

howabout this though, 02' Kings or 05' Suns?

[dirk4mvp]

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[BUMP]

howabout this though, 02' Kings or 05' Suns?

02' Kings best passing team of all time. but the reason i like them better is

05 suns athletes>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>02 kings. it was amazing that they could put up so many points with everyone on the team playing like they had arthritis. suns had a better offense but kings were old school. it was pretty

[Leetonidas]

The Kings used to be a bad ass team on offense. I remember watching a game versus Dallas I think where the scored 22 points and there were still 9:30 left in the first quarter.

[RON ARTEST]

looks like i was right about whiz not being the coach. :lol thank god.