All Aboard The Reggie Evans Express

[picnroll]

Maybe if the Spurs had drafted Howard they would have won. I like my maybe better.

[leemajors]

i don't really have a solution, but i am sure malik isn't the answer. i am still happy we won a championship last year, getting rid of him helped us do that. i have confidence in our front office to try and address our needs, and am eager to see what changes can/will be made. we were 20 seconds away from not having this discussion.

[strangeweather]

What's your solution?
Well, since plans that involve travelling back in time are apparently fair game, I say we draft Anderson Varejao instead of Beno.

[timvp]

Bump.



With the Spurs trading Rasho for Matt Bonner and change, the Spurs have an even bigger need for rebounding. Bonner will be a nice bench piece, but his main weakness is rebounding. That also happened to be the Spurs' main weakness last year.

With the roster as it is, Evans is needed even more. The Spurs must get a rebounder on this team. A bigman rotation of Evans, Horry and Bonner could be pretty deadly next to Tim.

[ChumpDumper]

I thought you said Bonner would be a good rebounder, that he was only playing out of position?

[baseline bum]

This is definitely a move I'm warming up to. There was nothing more frustrating last playoffs than seeing the Spurs make a stop only to not have anyone grab the fucking defensive board. This team was destroyed on the glass this whole playoff, and you can'y just blame it on Parker, Ginobili, and Bowen like in the past.

[Mr. Body]

Be tough to see the MLE disappear into his grinning mouth, but 'eh.'

[whottt]

and you can'y just blame it on Parker, Ginobili, and Bowen like in the past.


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[timvp]

I thought you said Bonner would be a good rebounder, that he was only playing out of position?

The Spurs need better than a good rebounder. They need a guy next to Duncan who can rebound at a high rate. Bowen is a poor rebounder for his size. Parker isn't a very good rebounder. Manu can rebound sometimes but his energy is better served elsewhere.

That means that fifth player has to be a damn good rebounder to pick up the slack. The Mavs destroyed the Spurs on the glass and then went out and were outrebounded by the Heat. That shows you how horrible of a rebounding team the Spurs were.

Reggie Evans is a great rebounder. Players like Bonner or Horry are average rebounders for their position.

[Kori Ellis]

Be tough to see the MLE disappear into his grinning mouth, but 'eh.'

He might not get the offers you might think.

Last summer he tested the free agency waters and really thought he was going to bank. He got ZERO interest from other teams. Absolutely no offers. Seattle offered him a 2 year/$10M deal and his teammates were all laughing at him because they knew he wouldn't get that elsewhere. He turned Seattle down and stayed for the one year deal.

I wouldn't want to spend the MLE on him. But 2M/year would be okay.

[whottt]

That means that fifth player has to be a damn good rebounder to pick up the slack. The Mavs destroyed the Spurs on the glass and then went out and were outrebounded by the Heat. That shows you how horrible of a rebounding team the Spurs were.


To paraphrase Chump...we were a damn good rebounding team considering our starting C was a career 2 guard.


I don't know what makes you think Evans is all of a sudden going to be good enough to stay on the court...guy couldn't get minutes against us with Seattle, he couldn't get minutes for Denver in the playoffs...he's not that good TimVP.

[Mr. Body]

Geez, at $2 mil a year, hell yes. Hopefully it'd not be much more than that. He seems like a foul-fest.

[Kori Ellis]

To paraphrase Chump...we were a damn good rebounding team considering our starting C was a career 2 guard.


I don't know what makes you think Evans is all of a sudden going to be good enough to stay on the court...guy couldn't get minutes against us with Seattle, he couldn't get minutes for Denver in the playoffs...he's not that good TimVP.

With Seattle this past season, he played 20 mpg and averaged 7 boards. With Denver (reg season), 23 mpg and nearly 9 boards. That's good.

[timvp]

To paraphrase Chump...we were a damn good rebounding team considering our starting C was a career 2 guard.


I don't know what makes you think Evans is all of a sudden going to be good enough to stay on the court...guy couldn't get minutes against us with Seattle, he couldn't get minutes for Denver in the playoffs...he's not that good TimVP.

He can rebound and is mobile. Those two characteristicts should be good enough. Matt Bonner wasn't heralded as a good defender but the Spurs have been trotting him around the media like he's a vital acquisition.

Your man Ariza isn't a good enough rebounder to make a difference. I want him too but he's not the rebounding piece that is missing.

[ChumpDumper]

If the price is right, fine.

Incidentally, how many times could he grab Yao's sac in a series?

[timvp]

If the price is right, fine.

Incidentally, how many times could he grab Yao's sac in a series?

As long as the Spurs win, I don't care if Reggie aims low every game. Having a great rebounding power forward would do a world of difference instead of having a poor rebounding guard playing power forward.

[Mr. Body]

And the Spurs would finally have a horde-member from LOTR.

[ChumpDumper]

Having a great rebounding power forward would do a world of difference instead of having a poor rebounding guard playing power forward.Having a power forward would do a world of difference instead of having a poor rebounding guard playing power forward.

[whottt]

So how come Dirk wasn't Bill Russell against the Heat? They weren't guarding him with Rodman(without the offensive ability) either.

How about we just not guard Dirk with with people under 4 feet tall and see what happens then...

[timvp]

Why are whottt and chump looking for band-aids when with one signing, the Spurs could turn a huge weakness into a strength? Yeah playing a power forward would even out the rebounding but the Mavs would still be a better rebounding team with a Horry/Bonner level PF out there.

[ChumpDumper]

Eh, it would've been nice to have Haslem and Posey on our team.

We just had a bunch of slow big guys that Pop didn't trust.

Now we're getting rid of them.

[polandprzem]

Has someone said Kenny Thomas ?

[timvp]

I'd like a link from either whottt or chump (chutttt?) that points me to the last stop the Spurs got against the Mavs that didn't involve a steal or an airball that went out of bounds.

Thaa-a-aaa-a-a-a-aanks.

[ChumpDumper]

Why are whottt and chump looking for band-aids when with one signing, the Spurs could turn a huge weakness into a strength? Yeah playing a power forward would even out the rebounding but the Mavs would still be a better rebounding team with a Horry/Bonner level PF out there.I said for the right price, fine.

I don't know where you get vehement opposition from that.

Calm down.

[ChumpDumper]

Reggie Evans is a one-dimensional sacgrabber.

Would he put us over the top in round 2?

Sure, why not? We almost did it without him.

Hope he's everything you say he will become.

[ChumpDumper]

I'd like a link from either whottt or chump (chutttt?) that points me to the last stop the Spurs got against the Mavs that didn't involve a steal or an airball that went out of bounds.

Thaa-a-aaa-a-a-a-aanks.I'd like a link to a game where Reggie did really well against Dallas. I didn't see one this season. Maybe you could get a Mavfan to help you.

He could be an answer, but THE answer?

[Please_dont_ban_me]

Evans is a nice option to have off the bench, at a reasonable price though.

[venitian navigator]

I think he is a player like Nazr with more quickness- defensive agility and less size (can't defend centers)...i'll take him just at a small price and only if we don't re-sign Nazr.
However, I think that re-signing Nazr could be the best option, given the little market value he's gonna have now after his worst season and considering he's a center...with a bigger chance to increase his market value during next next season if he's gonna play better...under a not so high contract).

[polandprzem]

Evans is a nice option to have off the bench, at a reasonable price though.

So we've got about 230 nice options in NBA at reasonable price....

[timvp]

I'd like a link to a game where Reggie did really well against Dallas. I didn't see one this season. Maybe you could get a Mavfan to help you.

He could be an answer, but THE answer?

Who are your answers? I've seen whottt call for Ariza but I haven't seen you on any bandwagon other than Chuck Hayes ... and the Rockets already picked up his option for next year.

Who?

[ChumpDumper]

Well Evans will be an ok fallback when we don't get Ben Wallace. I'd just like someone whom Dirk might just have to guard at some point. You won't like it, but I see Pop giving Radmanovic a visit in July. I wouldn't be crazy about it, but at least he had some success against the Mavs last season.

I guess it comes down to who reminds Pop more of Derrick McKey.

(I would also like to see Marcus Haislip in summer league, but I think someone else invited him)

[Mr. Body]

I'd rather have Derrick McKey at this age than Vladimir Radmanovic.

[beirmeistr]

If the price is right, fine.

Incidentally, how many times could he grab Yao's sac in a series?
That's funny. And the answer is........................Ancient Chinese secret.

[timvp]

Well Evans will be an ok fallback when we don't get Ben Wallace. I'd just like someone whom Dirk might just have to guard at some point. You won't like it, but I see Pop giving Radmanovic a visit in July. I wouldn't be crazy about it, but at least he had some success against the Mavs last season.

I guess it comes down to who reminds Pop more of Derrick McKey.

(I would also like to see Marcus Haislip in summer league, but I think someone else invited him)

So the only two names I get are Radmanovic and Haislip? I know you got more than that. At least I hope you do.

If the Spurs think about Radmanovic I might have to stop being a Spurs fan. Signing him would make the signing of Rasho seem like he steal of the century. All that guy does well is shoot threes ... and he's streaky at that.

Haislip would be decent.

In Austin.

[ChumpDumper]

I would hope that there is more than that.

But there really isn't in free agency.

So, sign Evans for the right price and still lose to the Mavs seems like the order of the day.

[timvp]

I would hope that there is more than that.

But there really isn't in free agency.

So, sign Evans for the right price and still lose to the Mavs seems like the order of the day.

So Radmanovic would help the Spurs beat the Mavs or have you totally given up already?

I don't get it.

[timvp]

But seriously, I'd rather the Spurs sign Keith Van Horn than Vladimir Radmanovic. Radman, besides being a bad basketball player, is a horrible teammate and lazy.

[ChumpDumper]

Well, Radman did do better against the Mavs than Evans this season.

The only thing that suggests Evans is good for small ball is his height.

Forgive my lack of excitement for either.

Back to the drawing board.

[exstatic]

But seriously, I'd rather the Spurs sign Keith Van Horn than Vladimir Radmanovic. Radman, besides being a bad basketball player, is a horrible teammate and lazy.
We already have a better, chippier, more accurate 3 pt shooting version of KVH on the roster. His nickname is "Red Rocket".

[SPARKY]

Well, Radman did do better against the Mavs than Evans this season.

The only thing that suggests Evans is good for small ball is his height.

Forgive my lack of excitement for either.

Back to the drawing board.


Well, that and grabbing balls like they were, um, nevermind...

[cecil collins]

Screw Reggie Evans.

[timvp]

Well, Radman did do better against the Mavs than Evans this season.

The only thing that suggests Evans is good for small ball is his height.

Forgive my lack of excitement for either.

Back to the drawing board.

I don't know why you look at regular season performances versus specific teams as an indicator of how a player would work on an entirely new team. It doesn't make much sense. Duncan averaged 14 points a game and shot under 40% from the field against the Mavs in the regular season. Nick Van Exel averaged 8 points and shot 60% from three in the regular season.

How well did those translate to the playoffs?

On your drawing board, who can the Spurs get that will help them beat the Mavs? I'm honestly interested in who you want who will be able to help.

[timvp]

We already have a better, chippier, more accurate 3 pt shooting version of KVH on the roster. His nickname is "Red Rocket".

Exactly. No way do I want KVH. I'm just using him as a example to show how much a really don't want Radman. Radman is the last player out of all the free agents I'd want on the Spurs. KVH is in the bottom five as well.

:smokin

[ChumpDumper]

C'mon LJ, if Reggie can't do the one thing he does well against Dallas, WTF am I supposed to think?

At this point, I think that Shawne Williams has fallen to the point where we could pick him up for Scola's rights.

As for next season? Hopefully Pop will have big men he can trust to not suck. If you think that man is the wangdangler, ok.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

Radmanavic is a very nice player.

He wants too much money though, I'd love to see him on this team.

[timvp]

On your drawing board, who can the Spurs get that will help them beat the Mavs? I'm honestly interested in who you want who will be able to help.


C'mon LJ, if Reggie can't do the one thing he does well against Dallas, WTF am I supposed to think?

At this point, I think that Shawne Williams has fallen to the point where we could pick him up for Scola's rights.

As for next season? Hopefully Pop will have big men he can trust to not suck. If you think that man is the wangdangler, ok.

I guess I'll have to accept no answer.

[ChumpDumper]

There is no answer in free agency.

[timvp]

C'mon LJ, if Reggie can't do the one thing he does well against Dallas, WTF am I supposed to think?

If you must see Reggie Evans put up numbers against Dallas, look at the 2004-05 season. In four games against Dallas, Evans 6.5 points and 10.8 rebounds in 22.8 minutes per game. That's only 23 rebounds per 48 minutes. :lol

I don't know why more Spurs fans aren't all over this guy. The Spurs lost because they couldn't rebound. A top two rebounder in the league is available.

Obvious fit.

[timvp]

Radmanavic is a very nice player.

He wants too much money though, I'd love to see him on this team.

:shootme

I might have to actually break out my all ignore feature.

[Mr. Body]

I don't know why more Spurs fans aren't all over this guy.

We can't keep up with you, that's why. You've practically lapped us.

[jman3000]

If you must see Reggie Evans put up numbers against Dallas, look at the 2004-05 season. In four games against Dallas, Evans 6.5 points and 10.8 rebounds in 22.8 minutes per game. That's only 23 rebounds per 48 minutes. :lol

I don't know why more Spurs fans aren't all over this guy. The Spurs lost because they couldn't rebound. A top two rebounder in the league is available.

Obvious fit.

Do you think it has anything to do with the Kaman nut tugging incident? I know that the Spurs try to put in as many upstanding guys as possible on the team, so it would only be logical that the fans would expect them to. I say if he helps the team, go for it, but many would say he has bad news written on him.

[ChumpDumper]

So all we have to do is have the Mavs bring Bradley, KVH and Alan Henderson back and Reggie is gold?

Excellent!

Bring forth the Wangdangler!

[SPARKY]

One game against the Mavs eliminates Evans? Um, ok.

[timvp]

So all we have to do is have the Mavs bring Bradley, KVH and Alan Henderson back and Reggie is gold?

Excellent!

Bring forth the Wangdangler!

The Mavs averaged more rebounds that year.

Oops.

[T Park]

well chup all your doing is ripping up Evans and not giving any alternatives.

Free agents or not, Id love to see yours.

[ChumpDumper]

So you are saying they should bring them back!

I admit, you have raised my interest level for Reggie Evans to "indifferent".

Congratulations.

[ChumpDumper]

well chup all your doing is ripping up Evans and not giving any alternatives.

Free agents or not, Id love to see yours.As counters to Dirk?

There are none in FA.

And I won't pretend Evans is. Sorry, I can't make that stretch.

Maybe he'll be our consolation prize after we lose out on Ben Wallace. Whoopie.

[SPARKY]

Mohammed averaged 3 rebounds a game against Dallas in 4 regular season games last season.

Nesterovic averaged 3.5 boards in 4 games.

Horry averaged 4 in 3.

Oh well.

[timvp]

well chup all your doing is ripping up Evans and not giving any alternatives.

Free agents or not, Id love to see yours.


WangGrappler's splits this year versus the Mavs weren't spectacular. Free agency this year is not very strong.

Pop wants Derrick McKey type player.

Shawne Williams can't bench the bar.

Where is Mario Austin?

[T Park]

I apologize, what player AVAILABLE, through trade or FA would you like to see is what I meant to see.


So you see no one, but one is suggested, and its a HELL NO.


Good lord...

[timvp]

Maybe he'll be our consolation prize after we lose out on Ben Wallace. Whoopie.

Who is counting on Ben Wallace? The Spurs have a better chance of trading for LeBron James than they do getting Ben Wallace.

If you rate Reggie Evans second behind Ben Wallace, that is actually first.

Thanks.

:smokin

[ChumpDumper]

Ok, so most of the MLE to Evans and lose again to the Mavs.

If that's all we got, it's not enough.

Your welcome.

[ChumpDumper]

I hope to god that's not all there is this offseason.

[T Park]

Ok, so most of the MLE to Evans and lose again to the Mavs.



How the fuck do we lose the Mavs if we get Reggie Evans.......

I dont understand what player you think puts them OVER THE TOP past the Mavericks.

[SPARKY]

If the Spurs wanted to, they could try to work out a sign and trade deal with the Nuggets for Evans. Send them back Williams and a case of High Life. Preserve the MLE for Jumaine Jones. Deal Barry and Beno for Claxton and Smith.

[SPARKY]

Giving up before the draft? Looks like there's a Ghost in the Machine.

[T Park]

Send them back Williams and a case of High Life. Preserve the MLE for Jumaine Jones. Deal Barry and Beno for Claxton and Smith.

If that happens just hand em the GD trophy right now.

And prob the best offseason in spurs history.

[Quadzilla99]

We're talking about getting this guy to do hernia exams right?

[ChumpDumper]

I have already said several times I'm fine with signing Evans for the right price.

I'm not going to suck his dick just because everyone else has already put on the kneepads.

[Kori Ellis]

I'd take Evans for $2M but not more than that. And I still wouldn't start him. So that would leave the Spurs with three acquisitons in Evans, Bonner, and Javtokas who I don't think are good enough to start. (Not that my opinion is gospel or anything).

I think there's got to be a better answer out there.

[SPARKY]

The Sonics took the Spurs to 6 games and almost 7 in the '05 postseason with a frontcourt consisting of Evans and little else.

[T Park]

Evan's D on Duncan was pretty damn good IIRC.

I don't see why Evans COULDNT guard Dirk, hes long, hes athletic, he can stay in front of a guy.

Thats all youd have to do with Dirk, and he rebounds the HELL out of the ball.



I'd take Evans for $2M but not more than that. And I still wouldn't start him. So that would leave the Spurs with three acquisitons in Evans, Bonner, and Javtokas who I don't think are good enough to start.

I disagree, I think Javtokas will be a starter next year, hes got all the signs of being a perfect PF in this league next to Duncan.

[Kori Ellis]

I disagree, I think Javtokas will be a starter next year, hes got all the signs of being a perfect PF in this league next to Duncan.

Ludden said the Spurs don't think he's starter caliber.

We'll see.

I'm hoping they can sign-and-trade Nazr for a decent PF to start next to Duncan, or perform some miracle in free agency.

[Kori Ellis]

Would anyone take one of the Sonics young centers as a starter?

[Mr. Body]

Would anyone take one of the Sonics young centers as a starter?

Sure. Swift and Petro both show flashes of competence.

[T Park]

Honestly I wouldnt.

Swift is another Nazr, and Petro is a black Rasho.


Ludden said the Spurs don't think he's starter caliber.



Wich means he will :smokin

[timvp]

Swift and Petro are nice prospects but next year they'd be a step back from the center play we saw this season. In like three years they'll both be pretty good but by that time the Big Three will be on the decline.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

swift, rofl

[Mr. Body]

I see Javtokas starting at C by the end of the year, easy.

[timvp]

I see Javtokas starting at C by the end of the year, easy.

I think Duncan and the Spurs have finally realized that Duncan is the center.

[Mr. Body]

I think Duncan and the Spurs have finally realized that Duncan is the center.

Maybe, but by the end of the year, what do you project the best option is? It'll be Javtokas starting C. Another shotblocker, this one mobile. Just like old times.

[Quadzilla99]

Ludden said the Spurs don't think he(Javtokas)'s starter caliber.

We'll see.

I respect the Spurs FO's opinion-they know a lot more about basketball than I ever will. I just hope they give Javtokas a clean slate and not come in with any preconceived notions about what he can or can't do. Every year there are countless players who defy expectations one way or the other. If anyone talks definitively about who can or can't do what they should be reminded of all the players they passed over in the draft and Free Agency.

Also maybe, just maybe they are saying that they don't expect much out of Javtokas to motivate him. Also maybe they are saying it to make it easy on him and they do actually expect a lot from him. But before he has even reported to Training Camp to say he won't start is worrisome to me.

[timvp]

Maybe, but by the end of the year, what do you project the best option is? It'll be Javtokas starting C. Another shotblocker, this one mobile. Just like old times.

I'm not going to let 2 minute highlight reels fool me into thinking Javtokas is David Robinson. If Javtokas becomes a more fragile version of Rasho who dunks, I'd be happy.

I can see Javtokas being a good bench player who comes in when it's possible for Duncan to slide over to power forward. With the league getting smaller, those chances aren't plentiful enough to start two centers anymore.

[Mr. Body]

I'm not saying Javtokas will David Robinson, or anywhere close. I'm just saying that there's no other attractive options for a starter at PF or C. Maybe there's a Reggie Evans, but that's a guy you bring off the bench. We're in dire straits as far as big men go. I'm project RJ as a starter because he's the best option there.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

:tu I'd take Petro off their hands for the right price.

[Solid D]

Reggie Evans Considering Knicks, Grizzlies, Clippers And Wolves
2nd July, 2006 - 4:38 am

Part of a larger article on Sam Cassell and other FAs

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nba/article/0,2777,DRMN_23922_4817877,00.html


Rocky Mountain News - With Denver focusing on negotiations with restricted free agent Nene, the Nuggets may lose power forward Reggie Evans to free agency, according to the Rocky Mountain News.

"Nene is ahead of him," coach George Karl said when asked about Evans. He put Francisco Elson in a similar category, but then added that both "could be in our plans."

Elson has a better chance of staying than Evans. Because he is restricted, the Nuggets can match any offer and they can exceed the salary cap to sign him. The Nuggets would have to use part or all of their midlevel exception to retain Evans.

An individual close to Evans said he is considering signing with New York, Memphis, the Clippers and Minnesota.

[MI21]

Count me as on board.

Evans would provide that rather quick yet still big bodied athletic big. He has a huge wingspan and annoying habit of chasing down long rebounds and loose balls (no pun). Have people forgotten how annoying it was with Seattle grabbing seemingly every offensive rebound in 04/05? A big part of that was Evans.

He would become a crowd favourite because of the abilities I stated above. Everyone loves a guy that seems to always get his hands on hard to reach rebounds.

Sign him. Play him 25mpg. 6PPG/8RPG and some hard fouls. For $2-3M a year you are not going to find anything better.

[SPARKY]

What happens is that the Knicks throw the full MLE at him for max years.

[MI21]

What happens is that the Knicks throw the full MLE at him for max years.

It's unfortunate that there is fuckhead GM's out there that do this sort of thing and fuck it up for the Spurs :(

[timvp]

The Mavs continue to court Toronto free-agent guard Mike James, and, according to a league source, also have some interest in Denver free-agent power forward Reggie Evans.

Great.

Spurs are messing around going after a player they'll never get -- again. The Mavs, on the other hand, are overflowing with players the Spurs need (long small forwards, centers, point guards) and are targeting players who they actually have a chance of signing. If the Mavs get Evans, the Spurs may literally not get a defensive rebound next year against Dallas.

:lol :pctoss

[ChumpDumper]

What are the Mavs going to pay Evans with after signing James with the full MLE?

HDnet subscriptions?

[Bruno]

What are the Mavs going to pay Evans with after signing James with the full MLE?

HDnet subscriptions?


S&T Mike James for Marquis Daniels ?

[ChumpDumper]

You'd think the Nuggets might someday get a shooting guard that can shoot.

[Bruno]

You'd think the Nuggets might someday get a shooting guard that can shoot.

What do you want to say by that ?

[ChumpDumper]

What do you want to say by that ?Daniels can't shoot.

[Bruno]

Daniels can't shoot.

Mike James is a raptor.

S&T between Dallas and Toronto : Daniels for James.
Mavs use the MLE on Evans.

[ChumpDumper]

Ok, I guess that's a possibilty if Colangelo has a real hard-on for him. That's a hell of a contract though.

[ace3g]

Nuggets Would Use Part Of MLE To Re-Sign Evans

Rocky Mountain News - Now that Nene has been signed, the Nuggets might next reach a deal with Reggie Evans but in order to so, would need to use money from their $5 million midlevel exception.

Fegan, who also represents Evans, said the Nuggets are being "aggressive" in pursuing Evans, and it could get done. Karl agreed, saying Evans "fits as the energy, tough-minded guy."

Link (http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/41270/20060703/nuggets_would_use_part_of_mle_to_re_sign_evans/)

[Solid D]

I'm afraid Dan Fegan (Evans' agent) is oil and RC Buford is water.

[polandprzem]

I'm afraid Dan Fegan (Evans' agent) is oil and RC Buford is water.

And Pop can be fire. He will evaporate RC and burn Fegan.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm sure the faxes are flying as we speak.

[T Park]

Fegan and pop and buford do NOT get along.

That simple.

Suprised TIMVP didn't know this...

[SenorSpur]

The Mavs are already one of the premier rebounding teams in the league. If they somehow acquire Evans - look out!

[timvp]

Fegan and pop and buford do NOT get along.

That simple.

Suprised TIMVP didn't know this...

:jack

The Spurs have dealt with him in the last few years. Granted it was Danny Ferry who would do the talking ... but that's why Presti is there. If the Spurs want a player, they can't let an agent get in the way.

Money talks. This isn't a little league PTA meeting.

[ChumpDumper]

Well, it does kind of throw water on the idea of getting Evans on the cheap.

[timvp]

Well, it does kind of throw water on the idea of getting Evans on the cheap.

Presti isn't allowed on the phones?

[ChumpDumper]

It's the guy on the other end who complicates the fantasy.

[T Park]

:rolleyes


I don't think Evans is worth all the pain in the assness.

Especially since it seems the Nuggets are gonna resign him.

[timvp]

:rolleyes


I don't think Evans is worth all the pain in the assness.

Especially since it seems the Nuggets are gonna resign him.

The Nuggets thought so much of Evans that they offered their MLE to Cassell. If Cassell would have taken the offer, Evans would have been history.

Plus the Nuggets still need to get a shooting guard. I doubt they tie up a huge chunk of their MLE in another power forward.

[T Park]

S&T Evans + WE for Barry.

[ChumpDumper]

They can't unload KMart, so I do think Evans is gonzo from Denver.

I don't see anything that would realistically give us the inside track to sign him though.

[timvp]

It's the guy on the other end who complicates the fantasy.

Complicates what? Evans price tag is set at $2-3M. Unless some team comes in offering the whole thing, it looks like Evans is going to get around half of the MLE.

[ChumpDumper]

Evans price tag is set at $2-3M.By whom?

[timvp]

By whom?

The NBA.

Read the article. It said the Nuggets are set to use part of the MLE to sign Evans.

[ChumpDumper]

And you just said the Nuggets were set to not sign him at all.

All it takes is one team to change the market, and there are plenty out there.

What was our last successful negotiation with Fegan?

Jack for the minimum?

[zeleni]

I have an idea. Forget about Evans... think Vladimir Stepania!

He is a great rebounder, got heart and is in need for a stabile surroundings. He seems a better and cheaper choice than Evans.

[timvp]

And you just said the Nuggets were set to not sign him at all.

All it takes is one team to change the market, and there are plenty out there.

What was our last successful negotiation with Fegan?

Jack for the minimum?

What was the last unsuccessful negotiation?

But yeah, hopefully the Spurs sit around smoking their pipe dreams while watching the rest of the league get better. Why should the Spurs sign a top-2 rebounder when they were so dominant on the glass in the playoffs?

Rasual Butler and Devean George will be enough.

Yeah.

[ChumpDumper]

What was the last unsuccessful negotiation?Jack the third time around.

Were there any other successful ones?

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

the Nuggets will keep Reggie, it also sounds like they should pursue a deal with the Grizzlies. Well i hope they do anyway :lol

Swift doesnt want to report (according to some websites) and i think Denver could swing a deal for him and eddie jones for K and ruben maybe.

Im through with the Bearcat brotherhood, get rid of them, except for DJ :smokin

[timvp]

Jack the third time around.


You mean two summers ago when the Spurs were equiped with half the money that the Pacers eventually gave him?

Yeah, good example.

[ChumpDumper]

If you don't like the answer, ask a better question, LJ.

Any other successful deals with Fegan?

[timvp]

If you don't like the answer, ask a better question, LJ.

Any other successful deals with Fegan?

What Fegan client did the Spurs try to sign recently and the Spurs lost out on? Looking at Fegan's client list, I don't remember the Spurs going after any of them within the last three or four years. They kinda went after Dale Davis but Davis got paid more than double what the Spurs were offering.

Point me in the direction of recent free agents snubbing the Spurs because of Fegan.

Thanks.

[ChumpDumper]

What Fegan client did the Spurs try to sign recently and the Spurs lost out on? Looking at Fegan's client list, I don't remember the Spurs going after any of them within the last three or four years. They kinda went after Dale Davis but Davis got paid more than double what the Spurs were offering.You think that's an accident?
Point me in the direction of recent free agents snubbing the Spurs because of Fegan.As soon as you give me another successful deal between the Spurs and Fegan.

Thanks.

[timvp]

:wtf

I'm not going to play some type of chicken and egg game with you. The Spurs haven't gone after a Fegan free agent. There's none that they should have or could have gone after. Reggie Evans is the first that makes sense since Jack bolted for double as much money.

I can't believe it took you this long and T Park pointing it out for you to realize that Evans has Fegan as an agent. Go follow around T Park, maybe he'll give you some more ammo to use against timvp :lol

[ChumpDumper]

Hey, I'm all for signing Evans for $2 million. I don't know how many times I'm going to have to tell timvp that.

Your Malone-like references to yourself nonwithstanding, I think he'd be a good sign for that much.


I just don't think it's happening.

So our record with Fegan for non-minimum deals stands at what 0 and 4?

[T Park]

I can't believe it took you this long and T Park pointing it out for you

Make it sound like im sort of moron.


Ok scratch that...... Go on.

[beirmeistr]

I'm convinced the Spurs need the rebounding force that is Reggie Evans. Make the Nutcracker an offer he can't refuse.

[timvp]

Hey, I'm all for signing Evans for $2 million. I don't know how many times I'm going to have to tell timvp that.

Your Malone-like references to yourself nonwithstanding, I think he'd be a good sign for that much.


I just don't think it's happening.

Hold on I need to go finish chopping wood on my sprawling ranch in southeast Alabama . . .






Alright, I'm back.

Link to where you ever said Evans would be a good signing? All I've seen you say is that the Spurs could sign him but they'd still lose to the Mavs or some ish like that. Link me to a post where you said he would be a good signing without putting conditions on it.

Thanks.

[timvp]

Make it sound like im sort of moron.


Ok scratch that...... Go on.

My bad it was actually Solid D who pointed out Fegan first.

ChumpDumper figured out Fegan was involved only five weeks after the thread was started.

[T Park]

No problem.

My moment in the sun was short lived but well worth it.

[ChumpDumper]

I have already said several times I'm fine with signing Evans for the right price.

I'm not going to suck his dick just because everyone else has already put on the kneepads.

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1064748&postcount=322

So my condition is I will not suck his dick.

That's non-negotiable.

[timvp]

Still a condition.

:smokin

[ChumpDumper]

If you want a yes man, make another screen name.

[Solid D]

The biggest problem with Dan Fegan is that he avoids working with teams that have limited funds. Fegan is known for getting more for his players (more than the player's actual worth). It didn't work out that way for Jack on the first iteration in ATL but look at what Fegan has done for some of his other clients. J-Rich, Troy Murphy, Nene just missed a whole season due to injury and he just got paid $60 Meg. Shandon Anderson, Gilbert Arenas, Erick Dampier, Shawn Marion, Dale Davis. All big contract guys. The Suns are shopping Marion's big contract. Varejao has Fegan so I doubt he'll be staying in Cleveland. Plus, Fegan has shadows on his business ethics.

Limited funds and Dan Fegan are like two magnets with their positive sides facing each other.

[timvp]

It's Reggie Evans or bust time, folks.

No more centers worth anything in free agency. The Spurs have saved like $50-60M by not re-signing Nazr and trading Rasho.

Reggie Evans is out there. He wants around $2-3M to start with.

Time to make a move.

http://www.coffeedrome.com/images/train8.jpg

All Aboard!

[ChumpDumper]

Has his price gone up now?

[Kori Ellis]

:lmao @ Nut Tree Railroad

$2M is all I'd pay him. If he doesn't want it, he can ride his train back East.

[Buddy Holly]

If TIMVP says he's the best, you know he has to be.

Goddamn, can someone please tell me why LJ isn't part of the Spurs staff?

Why hasn't he replaced RC Buford?

[timvp]

Has his price gone up now?

Probably because now he's the best big on the market.

That's what happens when you pretend to go after Przybilla and pretend you are going to re-sign Nazr.

[Kori Ellis]

If TIMVP says he's the best, you know he has to be.

Goddamn, can someone please tell me why LJ isn't part of the Spurs staff?

Why hasn't he replaced RC Buford?

Stop it already. If you don't like the idea, don't post in the thread.

You are annoying the hell out of me.

At least name someone better for $2M if you are going to bash the idea.

[timvp]

:lmao @ Nut Tree Railroad


:smokin

[SPARKY]

Here's an idea. Take the available free agent bigs and rank them by reb per minute. I'm sure Evans is near the top. I'm sure some of them could be had on the cheap. A frontcourt rotation by committee might not be pretty, but it could work quite nicely. The Spurs do, after all, have the top low post player in the game. Has Duncan become that weak?

[Buddy Holly]

You are annoying the hell out of me.

Oh I see.

So its A-O-K for everyone else to break my balls but I can't make a little smart ass comment.

Righty-O.

[SPARKY]

How many times a day does Buddy cut himself?

[timvp]

Oh I see.

So its A-O-K for everyone else to break my balls but I can't.

Righty-O.

Ok you busted my balls now we are even.

The Reggie Evans thread is where the final ball bust should be.

Props for the thought.

[Kori Ellis]

Oh I see.

So its A-O-K for everyone else to break my balls but I can't.

Righty-O.

No. Just bring something to the table.

Who do you want for $2M?

[Buddy Holly]

How many times a day does Buddy cut himself?

Only when I flex.

[Buddy Holly]

No. Just bring something to the table.

Who do you want for $2M?

Not a starting Center that's for sure.

Let me better explain myself.

If the Spurs or anyone posting here thinks they're going to find their starting center with 2 million in cash or anywhere in free agency... well, the Spurs are in trouble.

If the Spurs are really serious about finding their starting center, it's going to be A) Putting Tim there B) VIA Trades.

[Kori Ellis]

Not a starting Center that's for sure.

Name someone who can bring something the Spurs need (like rebounding) that they can get cheap.

[Buddy Holly]

Name someone who can bring something the Spurs need (like rebounding) that they can get cheap.

You can find a lot of guys who can rebound, I doubt there's only a select few who can do that.

The Spurs could find a rebounder in the euro leagues, summer review, free agency.

All on the cheap.

[timvp]

Reginald Jamaal Evans.

Please.

[Buddy Holly]

Reginald Jamaal Evans.

Please.

I have no problems with him as a bench guy.

[ducks]

Reggie Evans: Minnesota Interested
RotoWire.com Staff - RotoWire.com
Tuesday, July 11, 2006

Update: The Timberwolves are interested in signing Evans, the Rocky Mountain News reports.

Recommendation: "If the price is right, we're very interested," Minnesota coach Dwane Casey said. "He's a rebounding machine." The price is expected to be somewhere between half and the full midlevel exception of about $5.2 million.

[Bruno]

They have spend the whole MLE on Mike James.

[timvp]

The Reggie Evans Express is slowing down. To save money, I think we have to get off and walk.

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

the reggie evans express is not even leaving Denver :smokin . Lets just hope he can control his hands next season :lol

Im still curious as to whether or not the Knicks are serious about him and what they would offer.

[ChumpDumper]

How much is Evans worth to Denver if they keep Camby, KMart, Nene, Najera and Elson?

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

How much is Evans worth to Denver if they keep Camby, KMart, Nene, Najera and Elson?

thats the thing, i dont see him being worth much at all to them, if that frontcourt is still here by next season. They wouldn't use the majority of the MLE, well i hope they dont. We have enough big men and are better off using $$$ to get Eddie House or someone like that.

If he stays for cheap then great but im not that worried if he leaves and gets paid somewhere else.

I think we own Elson's bird rights, so we can pay him without affecting the MLE.

Im pretty sure that Camby or K will be gone b4 next season though

[timvp]

I projected that Evans would be the best option who could actually be available.

However, I didn't project that the Spurs wouldn't use the entire MLE.

[YamaSama]

Looking at Reggie Evans' "on-court/off-court" stats over the last couple years, he doesn't look like someone we'd want.

Denver:
On-Court = -6.8
Off-Court = +1.4

Seattle ('05-'06)
On-Court = -8.5
Off-Court = -1.7

Seattle ('04-'05)
On-Court = +0.7
Off-Court = +3.7

And just in case you're curious, Jarron Collins does pretty well in this category. Jackie Butler does extremely well (although this could be skewed by his limited PT). And Francisco Elson does okay.

I got these stats from 82games

[leemajors]

thats the thing, i dont see him being worth much at all to them, if that frontcourt is still here by next season. They wouldn't use the majority of the MLE, well i hope they dont. We have enough big men and are better off using $$$ to get Eddie House or someone like that.

If he stays for cheap then great but im not that worried if he leaves and gets paid somewhere else.

I think we own Elson's bird rights, so we can pay him without affecting the MLE.

Im pretty sure that Camby or K will be gone b4 next season though

eddie house? don't you already have an undersized chucker 2?

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

eddie house? don't you already have an undersized chucker 2?

:lol we are all hoping that the midget gets packaged off to some far away land :smokin

Id much rather eddie house than girlkins :fro

[leemajors]

:lol we are all hoping that the midget gets packaged off to some far away land :smokin

Id much rather eddie house than girlkins :fro

ehh, boykins always seemed to play better vs the spurs than house.

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

ehh, boykins always seemed to play better vs the spurs than house.

:lol you guys must be lucky. You can have him for Udrih :smokin :fro

Sounds stupid but id do it in a heartbeat, noone outside of the Nuggets fanbase understands how much his game is disliked by alot of Nuggets fans.

[T Park]

I didn't project that the Spurs wouldn't use the entire MLE

Link?

[ChumpDumper]

The Spurs would've used the entire MLE.

On the right player.

But if we're talking years, that's probably right considering this FA market.

[timvp]

Link?

I can't link the future.

Get back to me in November.

[T Park]

ah........

[MoSpur]

How much would Al Harrington demand?

[Extra Stout]

When the Spurs promised Duncan they would build a team to compete for championships, did they really mean they would do that every year, or was it OK to take a year off?

[violentkitten]

maybe the nuggets will mess around and convince themselves that they need elson back.

yeah right. they're probably laughing their arses off about someone offering elson $9 million.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

Between Evans and Elson...

If we get Elson at half the price I'm more than happy.

[Winnipeg_Spur]

If Evans signs for 9 million or less this board is not going to be happy...

:pctoss

[Please_dont_ban_me]

I actually don't think 9 million for 3 years is too much money. That is actually relatively cheap. However, I don't like Elson, even if we got him for free. I wonder if he will start...

I'm sure he will start.

Only other option is Butler/Horry and I doubt either will start unless "Frankie" just totally blows during camp.

[timvp]

Spurs fans were whining not too long ago about the Spurs giving Evans half of the MLE. See what you get?

You get the freakin' worst bigman on the Nuggets for that price.

Classic.

[Dre_7]

Fuck, I hate to admit it, but LJ is right in this situation. We need Reggie Evans. Give him the entire MLE, I don't give a shit. He is the rebounder we need. Who cares if he doesnt score. We have Manu, Tony, Tim, Barry, Finley, and Bonner for that. Sign the testicle grabber up!

You lose cred when you call Bonner a scorer. :lol

Bowen is more of a threat to score than Bonner.

[timvp]

You lose cred when you call Bonner a scorer. :lol

Bowen is more of a threat to score than Bonner.
Another well thought out post by Wisconsin.

Props.

[shaggy17]

Fuck, I hate to admit it, but LJ is right in this situation. We need Reggie Evans. Give him the entire MLE, I don't give a shit. He is the rebounder we need. Who cares if he doesnt score. We have Manu, Tony, Tim, Barry, Finley, and Bonner for that. Sign the testicle grabber up!

Umm why do you have Paris Hiltons ugly ass on your sigs?? Get someone worth looking at everytime you post :fro

[ducks]

Timberwolves owner Glen Taylor, excited about the signing of veteran guard Mike James, said the team doesn't have any interest in trading with Portland for Darius Miles, contrary to circulating rumors, and will not make a strong effort to sign Denver free agent Reggie Evans because of his contract demands.
http://www.startribune.com/507/story/548942.html

[timvp]

Bump.





Hmmm ... not sure what I think of this thread. Going with Evans rather than Elson and Butler would have been the better move but Evans probably doesn't change much after the 2007 championship.


Yeah, Andres Nocioni, Lamar Odom or Boris Diaw would fit the bill, but those guys aren't going anywhere. Heh, kinda cool Boris Diaw shoutout, tbh.

[manufan10]

I thought this was to get everyone ready for the flop train.

[silverblk mystix]

Spurs got Bonner instead.

:depressed

[Solid D]

2006-07 was the year the Spuirs sacrificed shot-blocking and interior size (Rasho & Mohammed) for small-ball and another Big (Bonner) who could help spot Horry to stretch the floor from the perimeter. Then they signed Elson to outrun other bigs rather than to outrebound them. It was cheaper and the Spurs were able to win a championship with small-ball. Elson actually contributed more than Bonner did in that championship run through the playoffs.

Meanwhile, Fegan got Evans a 5-year deal to re-sign with the Nuggets, even though they would trade him and his contract the next year.

Meanwhile, the Spurs have lacked size and rebounding since 2005-06.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

^ no doubt

Kinda crazy alternate universe where we could have had Rasho, Tim, Horry, and Evans.
The team is so different now, its just fascinating how the roster ended up evolving, with hindsight

[024]

Right now I take Evans over Scola. Scola is a scorer who doesn't rebound or defend that well. Evans is a rebounder and a bully around the basket. IMO, Spurs have enough scoring.
:lol

[lefty]

Kori : " stop bumping old threads, Timvp " :cry :cry :cry

[Knoxxx]

Evans is a steal at the league minimum. But we got that in Diaw, at least for this year. Similar effect, but Diaw provides more passing and length, while Evans better rebounding and a bit more toughness. Not many players tougher than Evans.

I think it depends on the matchup who is the better defender. Diaw has the additional length to bother a Gasol, while Evans physical style better suited towards a Zac Randolph type of player.

For us, we probably could use the rebounding of an Evans more than the fruity passing of a Diaw, but that is just my opinion.

Back to the matchup at hand, I think we are fine shape with regard to the bigs. Clips have only one 7 footer, and his BB IQ is so low he may barely see the floor. I simply can't get too worried about the remaining trio of an ailing Griffin, then Evans and Martin. Tim has owned Martin for years, and I don't see that changing.

Actually appears the Spurs have the edge with regard to bigs...

[DPG21920]

Kori : " stop bumping old threads, Timvp " :cry :cry :cry

:lol

[Cant_Be_Faded]

This thread has some gold

Lol whottt taking it to the timvp
Lol sandikze as a possible Derrick McKey in waiting
Lol ariza playing small ball PF for Pop
lol tpark smugly saying no thanks to Tyson Chandler
Lol timvp saying big three on decline by 2009
Lol Mr body guaranteeing Javtokas starter by end of 07 season