Argentina National Team

[carina_gino20]

Not sure where to post this:

i was wondering if anyone has the scoop on the Argentinean National Team. Have they decided on the final roster for the World Cup? Who, from the Olympic roster, will likely play again? Who won't be coming back?

thanks. :princess

[Lebowski Brickowski]

Can someone duct tape manu to his lazy-boy for the summer? REST MANU, REST!

[leemajors]

maybe the staff could break down the tapes of the tourney and find a way to use oberto more effectively. i really think he could help out if given more oppurtunity.

[abelle23]

i think it will help manu to play for argentina...he rested the summer before this season i dont think it did him any good...cant wait to see him play for his country again!!!

[danyel]

Manu best NBA season so far was right after he won tournament MVP at the olympics. A good perfomance with the national team would probably boost his confidence.

Players most likely to be on the final roster:
PG: Sanchez
SG: Ginobili / Delfino
SF: Nocioni
PF: Oberto / Scola
C: Wolkowyski

Players that have a very good chance on making the team
PG: Prigioni
SF: Jasen / Herrmann / Kammerichs / Matias Sandes
PF: Leo Gutierrez
C: Roman Gonzalez / Gaby Fernández

Montecchia (sub PG) won't be playing for the national team anymore, he retired.

[Ariel]

These are almost a lock:

PG: Pepe Sánchez / Pablo Prigioni
SG: Manu / Delfino
SF: Nocioni
PF: Scola
C: Oberto / Wolkowyski

Out of the remaining 4:
Another SF will likely come out of Herrmann, Jasen or Kammerichs. My guess is, Herrmann is in.
The PF left could be Leo Gutiérrez
The two spots left would be decided by need... I'd think that one of the other SFs could go in, as could Quinteros or Mázzaro (shooters), or Gaby Fernández (perimeter oriented big guy).

So it could round up to, IMO, something like this:

PG: Pepe Sánchez / Pablo Prigioni
SG: Manu / Delfino
SF: Nocioni / Herrmann
PF: Scola / Leo Gutiérrez
C: Oberto / Wolkowyski / Gaby Fernández

and one other guy, depending on what coach Hernández believes he'd need the most.

Basically it would be almost the same group, except that Prigioni would play for Montecchia (retired), and another SF (Herrmann, Jasen or Kammerichs) for Sconochini (retired as well).

[Spurologist]

Lionel Messi. Best Argentine talent out there right now.

[velik_m]

Lionel Messi. Best Argentine talent out there right now.
:rollin

[ace3g]

I wonder if the spurs would consider Herrmann for one of the back up SF positions or PF, forgot how tall he was

[austinfan]

The coach is Sergio Hernandez, correct? What's his coaching philosophy? Is at all similar to Pop's?

[tp time]

France-argentina coming... :elephant

[Trainwreck2100]

Not sure where to post this:

i was wondering if anyone has the scoop on the Argentinean National Team. Have they decided on the final roster for the World Cup? Who, from the Olympic roster, will likely play again? Who won't be coming back?

thanks. :princess


pay attention people

[gus]

The coach is Sergio Hernandez, correct? What's his coaching philosophy? Is at all similar to Pop's?


No. In Argentina we are an eclectic school of basket. Among our influences are Hubie Brown ( flex ), U.S. College Basketball, Ettore Messina, Serbian School and (gasp) Mike D'Antoni who is well known here from his times in Europe. Most of the knowledge was received thru clinics etc.

Coach Magnano ( now in Italy ) Played flex all the time, Oveja (Sheep ) Hernandez play up tempo with some Flex cuts.

After the Olympics Pop started to use some flex in the Spurs.

Gus

[ALVAREZ6]

The coach is Sergio Hernandez, correct? What's his coaching philosophy? Is at all similar to Pop's?
Ruben Magnano

[Manu'sMagicalLeftHand]

The one thing I have my doubts about Hernandez is that he isn't very keen on man-to-man defense. Magnano is a very smart coach who has the instinct to know when is the time to switch from zone to man-to-man and viceversa. Hernandez seems to have an unlimited faith in zone which can be dangerous when the opposition is hot from three point land.

[gus]

I am with you and dislike Hernandez red hot head behaviour. I guess that the boys will slow him down.

Gus

[danyel]

World cup you say?

Final 23 roster

Goalkeepers
Abondanzieri (Boca)
Franco (Atletico Madrid)
Ustari (Independiente)

Defenders
Coloccini (Deportivo) *
Sorin (Villareal)
Burdisso (Inter Milan) *
Ayala (Valencia) *
Heinze (Man Utd) *
Scaloni (West Ham)
Gabriel Milito (Zaragoza)
Cufre (Roma)

Midfielders
Riquelme (Villareal)
Mascherano (Corinthians) *
Cambiasso (Inter Milan)
Maxi Rodriguez (Deportivo)
Aimar (Valencia)
Lucho Gonzalez (Porto)

Forwards
Crespo (Chelsea)
Tevez (Corinthians) *
Saviola (Sevilla) *
Cruz (Inter Milan)
Palacio (Boca)
Messi (Barcelona)

* Players who won olympic gold. Remember that at the Olympics there was U-23 team with 3 players above that age (Ayala, Heinze and Kily Gonzalez).

Players from the Olympic roster who didn't make it to the WC final 23 roster

Wilfredo Caballero (GK)
César Delgado (M/F)
Figueroa (F) (Injured, probably wouldnt have been on the roster anyway)
Kily González (M)
Mauro Rosales (F)
Nicolás Medina (M)
Clemente Rodríguez (D)
D'Alessandro (M)
Mariano González (M)
Germán Lux (GK)
Leandro Fernández (D)

F: Forward, M: Midfielder, D: Defender, GK: Goalkeeper

The Coach was Marcelo Bielsa, now its Jose Pekerman

With Germán Lux being the only one who came really close to making the WC roster.

[Trainwreck2100]

now that we are back on track

:wrongf

[Spurologist]

World cup you say?

Final 23 roster

Goalkeepers
Abondanzieri (Boca)
Franco (Atletico Madrid)
Ustari (Independiente)

Defenders
Coloccini (Deportivo) *
Sorin (Villareal)
Burdisso (Inter Milan) *
Ayala (Valencia) *
Heinze (Man Utd) *
Scaloni (West Ham)
Gabriel Milito (Zaragoza)
Cufre (Roma)

Midfielders
Riquelme (Villareal)
Mascherano (Corinthians) *
Cambiasso (Inter Milan)
Maxi Rodriguez (Deportivo)
Aimar (Valencia)
Lucho Gonzalez (Porto)

Forwards
Crespo (Chelsea)
Tevez (Corinthians) *
Saviola (Sevilla) *
Cruz (Inter Milan)
Palacio (Boca)
Messi (Barcelona)

* Players who won olympic gold. Remember that at the Olympics there was U-23 team with 3 players above that age (Ayala, Heinze and Kily Gonzalez).

Players from the Olympic roster who didn't make it to the WC final 23 roster

Wilfredo Caballero (GK)
César Delgado (M/F)
Figueroa (F) (Injured, probably wouldnt have been on the roster anyway)
Kily González (M)
Mauro Rosales (F)
Nicolás Medina (M)
Clemente Rodríguez (D)
D'Alessandro (M)
Mariano González (M)
Germán Lux (GK)
Leandro Fernández (D)

F: Forward, M: Midfielder, D: Defender, GK: Goalkeeper

The Coach was Marcelo Bielsa, now its Jose Pekerman

With Germán Lux being the only one who came really close to making the WC roster.

That guy is pretty good. Now everyone knows

[Ariel]

why are we talking about soccer here??? :wtf

[Spurologist]

why are we talking about soccer here??? :wtf

The spurs are eliminated. The best soccer event in the world is coming up: World Cup. Put two and two together. Whatever that means.

[Trainwreck2100]

why are we talking about soccer here??? :wtf

because some people only read the title before posting.

[WalterBenitez]

Not sure where to post this:
i was wondering if anyone has the scoop on the Argentinean National Team. Have they decided on the final roster for the World Cup? Who, from the Olympic roster, will likely play again? Who won't be coming back?
thanks. :princess

We hhad offered Ben Wallace the nationality, so til him accept we won't release the final roster :hat

[WalterBenitez]

The coach is Sergio Hernandez, correct? What's his coaching philosophy? Is at all similar to Pop's?

Believe me ... POP is unique

[Nikos]

Montech leaving might be tough. He was excellent against the USA, coming off the pick and hitting the 3. He was a different player then Pepe, better scoring talent. Isn't that kind of a tough loss from a role player standpoint and stylistically at the PG position?

[carina_gino20]

i read my post again and it was ambiguous. i was indeed referring to the World Basketball Championships but I referred to it as World Cup because I've seen Manu refer to it as world cup before. but i shud have seen it coming what with the real World Cup coming soon.

anyway, what's the average height and age of this argentine basketball team? and what do you think are their chances of winning the WBC this year?

[Ariel]

i read my post again and it was ambiguous. i was indeed referring to the World Basketball Championships but I referred to it as World Cup because I've seen Manu refer to it as world cup before. but i shud have seen it coming what with the real World Cup coming soon.
Don't sweat it, the fact that it was posted in a basketball forum, made it far more reasonable to assume it a minor terminology mix-up that ultimately referred to basketball, rather than a completely separate topic altogether as it would be with soccer.

Maybe some need to use better judgment, besides reading...

anyway, what's the average height and age of this argentine basketball team? and what do you think are their chances of winning the WBC this year?
Here's height and age for some key players:

PG: Pepe Sánchez (29, 6'4") / Pablo Priogioni (29, 6'1")
SG: Manu Ginóbili (28, 6'6") / Carlos Delfino (23, 6'6")
SF: Andrés Nocioni (26, 6'7") / Walter Herrmann (26, 6'8")
PF: Luis Scola (26, 6'9")
C: Fabricio Oberto (31, 6'10") / Rubén Wolkowyski (32, 6'10")

So, that's a pretty veteran team, and the height is good by NBA standards at the 1 through 3, but a bit undersized at the 4 and 5.

As for the chances, I believe that gold is for USA to lose, but we have a good enough team to fight for a medal. Still, nowadays international basketball is very competitive, and a bad game in the quarterfinals can change everything. I expect them to do well, but I wouldn't venture anything beyond that.

[ATX Spur]

Manu best NBA season so far was right after he won tournament MVP at the olympics. A good perfomance with the national team would probably boost his confidence.


What would a subpar world performance do to him?

[danyel]

What would a subpar world performance do to him?

When was the last time he had a subpar perfomance with the national team? I can't even remember.

[FreshPrince22]

So what are the chances that Delfino gets serious PT behind Manu? It sure would be nice for him to come back to training camp with tons of confidence.

[Manu'sMagicalLeftHand]

So what are the chances that Delfino gets serious PT behind Manu? It sure would be nice for him to come back to training camp with tons of confidence.

I believe that Delfino would have only limited minutes as Manu's backup, he might get lucky during periods of games, if we go small (yeah, small ball again lol), and he is moved to the SF spot, with Nocioni as PF.


Montech leaving might be tough. He was excellent against the USA, coming off the pick and hitting the 3. He was a different player then Pepe, better scoring talent. Isn't that kind of a tough loss from a role player standpoint and stylistically at the PG position?

As long as there is another 3 point shooter who is hot, it doesn't matter if he is a PG. Actually, in Argentina historically, the PG spot is reserved for a playmaker, "pass first", kind of player, who only shoots if the shot clock is running down. I'm worried that there is no pure shooter in the roster so far. Manu, Wolkowisky, Fernandez, Nocioni, Gutierrez, Prigioni, Herrmann, Delfino and Sanchez can shoot the 3, and get hot ocasionally, but they aren't 3 point specialists.

[ManuLoco]

Argentina will win it all this year, not only the basketball championship but the world cup and davis cup. :fro

[Horry For 3!]

Does anyone know what happened to Matias Sandes?

[Horry For 3!]

Also, how come Walter Herrmann isn't playing in the NBA? When I saw him in the Olympics he seemed pretty damn good to me.

[Horry For 3!]

Anyone know?

[exstatic]

Also, how come Walter Herrmann isn't playing in the NBA? When I saw him in the Olympics he seemed pretty damn good to me.

Well he's in the neighborhood of 27, and is trying to convert from a post player to a wing. There may also be buyout issues. Who knows.

[David@SLCC]

As long as there is another 3 point shooter who is hot, it doesn't matter if he is a PG. Actually, in Argentina historically, the PG spot is reserved for a playmaker, "pass first", kind of player, who only shoots if the shot clock is running down. I'm worried that there is no pure shooter in the roster so far. Manu, Wolkowisky, Fernandez, Nocioni, Gutierrez, Prigioni, Herrmann, Delfino and Sanchez can shoot the 3, and get hot ocasionally, but they aren't 3 point specialists.


Juan Espil
(Is he even playing these days???)

[Horry For 3!]

I wonder if Matias Sandes is going to go into the NBA.

[Russ]

I was in Argentina in April of '05 and, trust me, basketball ain't that big there. I saw one billboard with Manu's picture on it in Buenos Aires -- an advertisement for a bank.

I saw one or two basketball courts in all of BA, tops. In short, basketball is about as popular in Argentina as Margaret Thatcher.

It would serve them right if we won the World Cup in soccer.

(All kidding aside, it's a nice country to visit -- great wine country in Mendoza).

Malvinas son Argentinas! :)

[Marhq]

Matías Sandes is still playing here in Argentina (not right now, really, his team didn't make to the finals). He's been under contract with Tau for about a year now, but they allowed him to continue playing in our league for the time being. I don't know if he's going to play one more season here or he will be doing so in Spain.

NBA? I just don't see it happening, he would have to REALLY improve his game, considering he's not even the best player in our league. Mind you, the best Argentine players are already in Europe or in the NBA. He's still young though.

As for Herrmann, he's not doing so well and is not happy with his team. Apparently, he's looking forward to playing somewhere else next season.

Saludos.

[smeagol]

I was in Argentina in April of '05 and, trust me, basketball ain't that big there. I saw one billboard with Manu's picture on it in Buenos Aires -- an advertisement for a bank.

I saw one or two basketball courts in all of BA, tops. In short, basketball is about as popular in Argentina as Margaret Thatcher.

It would serve them right if we won the World Cup in soccer.

(All kidding aside, it's a nice country to visit -- great wine country in Mendoza).

Malvinas son Argentinas! :)
Basketball is the 3rd most popular sport in Argentina. It is very big in the interior of the country, not so big in the City of BA.

[spurschick]

Basketball is the 3rd most popular sport in Argentina. It is very big in the interior of the country, not so big in the City of BA.

If futbol is the first and basketball is third, what is second?

[MaNuMaNiAc]

If futbol is the first and basketball is third, what is second?
I'd say rugby

[Sportman]

I'd say rugby

You are totally CRAZY, TOTALLY :lol :lol .....or should i say FUNNY?? :rolleyes

[kolko]

Probably Car Racing or Tennis, but I think Basketball is second. (And first in Bahia Blanca)

[SequSpur]

Will Manu play in every other game?

[manubili]

Argies: If you have to choose... Bball cup? or Soccer cup?

[manubili]

Here's the team:
http://www.clarin.com/diario/2006/05/29/um/m-01204525.htm

There's a chance that Sebastián Ginóbili plays along with his brother Manu, that would be nice. I'd like to see Kammerich getting some minutes there.

[Manu'sMagicalLeftHand]

I would say:

1st. Futbol, there's no competition
2nd. Futbol
3rd. Futbol
4th. Tennis and Basketball
5th. Motor Sport and Rugby
6th. Volleyball, Boxing and Field Hockey
etc.

[ALVAREZ6]

I thought for sure that rugby was more popular than basketball???

[WalterBenitez]

OLE.com
13:45 | BASQUET
Hernández dio su lista

Nombró a doce preseleccionados para el Mundial de Japón, y a otros diecisiete para el Sudamericano de Venezuela. Habrá tres de esta nómina que tras el torneo que se disputará en Caracas se sumarán al plantel que buscará desde agosto el título del mundo.







Sin demasiado lugar para sorpresas, el técnico Sergio Hernández dio hoy la lista de preseleccionados para el Mundial de Japón y el Sudamericano de Venezuela. El entrenador convocó a un grupo de 17 jugadores del que saldrán los 12 que irán al torneo de Venezuela, y explicó que tres de ellos buscarán un lugar en el plantel que lucharán por el titulo del mundo, del 19 de agosto al 3 de setiembre.

Los ingresos de Pablo Prigioni y Daniel Farabello por Alejandro Montecchia y Hugo Sconochini son las únicas novedades que presenta la lista con respecto a los doce que ganaron el oro en Atenas. Y la nómina se completa con los otros diez hombres que alcanzaron la gloria en los Juegos Olímpicos: Juan Ignacio Sánchez, Carlos Delfino, Emmanuel Ginóbili, Walter Herrmann, Andrés Noción, Leonardo Gutiérrez, Gabriel Fernández, Luis Scola, Fabricio Oberto y Rubén Wolkowyski.

A estos doce se sumarán tres nombres que saldrán del plantel que en julio disputará el Sudemericano en Venezuela. Antonio Porta, Nicolás Gianella, Sebastián Ginóbili, Raimundo Legaria, Paolo Quinteros, Julio Mázzaro, Diego García, Hernán Jasen, Federico Kammerichs, Matías Sandes, Leonardo Gutiérrez, Diego Logrippo, Román González, Leonardo Mainoldi, Juan Gutiérrez, Martín Leiva y Pedro Calderón, son los 17 que desde el 19 de junio se concentrarán en Olavarría para comenzar la preparación para el torneo que se disputará en Caracas.

[WalterBenitez]

I wonder if Matias Sandes is going to go into the NBA.


PlayStation III? just kidding, I think he needs to improve and make some noise in Wurope previous to that.

[WalterBenitez]

Basketball is the 3rd most popular sport in Argentina. It is very big in the interior of the country, not so big in the City of BA.

Well there's a big country beyond Buenos Aires, in those inlands' cities BBall is the 2nd sport, in BA no way.

Just to mention, Bahia Blanca, Comodoro Rivadavia, Cordoba, Rafaela, Suchales, etc. ... those are small towns (in USA scale, of course) I meant almost 150/250 thousands people.

[WalterBenitez]

I'd say rugby
May I disagree? BBall has two professional levels in ARG's league ... Rugby still is amateur.

IMHO, I'll go (as second) with Tennis or BBall, later Racing (in terms of fans).