What's our realistic offseason?

[yourtehclay]

Ok let's cut the pipe dreams and discuss what we believe will really happen this offseason.

Let's here some predictions, good or bad

[Dunc]

Tim Duncan and Pop retire. Manu demands a trade. Tony Parker tears his ACL in training camp and misses the season. Spurs go 13-69 and get the #1 pick in the lottery draft for 2007. Spurs draft Greg Oden, who leads them to a 66-16 record, the biggest turnaround in league history, and an NBA title, sweeping the playoffs.

Tell me this doesn't sound familiar :lol

[I H8 Mavs Fans]

continuing onslaught of Mavs jerks.

[Leetonidas]

Spurs bring in Javtokas
Spurs bring in Scola
Spurs trade Brent Barry for J.R. Smith and Arvydas Macijauskas
Spurs let Nazr Mohammed sign elsewhere
Spurs sign Speedy Claxton

This doesn't sound too far-fetched, though I kinda believe the Spurs will trade for a first round pick.

[yourtehclay]

is there any chance scola gets traded in an attempt to get higher in the draft

[Extra Stout]

Spurs Discover Loophole in Lease Allowing Them to Relocate to Las Vegas

Gregg Popovich Retires, Becomes Editor of Wine Enthusiast

Tim Duncan Retires, Opens Steel Drum/Dungeons & Dragons Shop in Christiansted

Tony Parker Becomes Pimp

Manu Ginobili Wins World Series of Poker With Demonstrative Play on Each Flop

[Leetonidas]

is there any chance scola gets traded in an attempt to get higher in the draft

It can happen, but to whom would they trade him to?

[Doc Jerome]

Nazr, Barry, Van Exel, Beno, and Marks all will be gone for whatever reason. Who knows who Spurs will bring in at this point; but, I'll go out on a limb and say Rasho stays, to welcome Javtokas, Scola, J. R. Smith, Speedy Claxton, and surprise newcomer, Ian Mahinmi.

Conventional wisdom says, if Rasho stays and Javtokas is on the team then why Mahianmi, well, I have no answer for that, it's my prediction. Stay tuned, . . . :fro

[Gino2882]

Spurs bring in Javtokas
Spurs bring in Scola
Spurs trade Brent Barry for J.R. Smith and Arvydas Macijauskas
Spurs let Nazr Mohammed sign elsewhere
Spurs sign Speedy Claxton

All these are realistic possibilities, except Speedy. No way he comes back.

I would like to see both Scola and Javtokas.

[xcoriate]

I have a few minutes so....

Spurs bring in Javtokas
Spurs deal Scola for a middle first round pick
Spurs draft a three, preferably long athletic with a jumpshot
Trade Brent Barry for JR Smith and Macijauskas
Try and S+T Nazr... for anything, else let him walk.

Rotation

PG Parker / Udrih
SG Manu / Smith / Macijauskas
SF Bowen / Finley / Long 3
PF Duncan / Horry / Long 3
Cc Javtokas / Duncan / Rasho

IR: Marks, second rnd pick, undrafted player to develop.

I like that team a lot, we get younger on the perimetre and get a ridiculous athlete in JR Smith. A long three to groom. We give up Scola but I'm skeptical of his NBA game anyway. Javtokas comes in to bang, rebound and erase shots at the 5. Macijauskas on the other hand can at least shoot the ball.

Parker will be backed up by Udrih, I think he's going to finally be ready next season. In any event Parker can play 35-38mpg so we won't have to really on him that much.

[beachbarbie948]

Spurs Discover Loophole in Lease Allowing Them to Relocate to Las Vegas

Gregg Popovich Retires, Becomes Editor of Wine Enthusiast

Tim Duncan Retires, Opens Steel Drum/Dungeons & Dragons Shop in Christiansted

Tony Parker Becomes Pimp

Manu Ginobili Wins World Series of Poker With Demonstrative Play on Each Flop
lol

[Leetonidas]

Nazr, Barry, Van Exel, Beno, and Marks all will be gone for whatever reason. Who knows who Spurs will bring in at this point; but, I'll go out on a limb and say Rasho stays, to welcome Javtokas, Scola, J. R. Smith, Speedy Claxton, and surprise newcomer, Ian Mahinmi.

Conventional wisdom says, if Rasho stays and Javtokas is on the team then why Mahianmi, well, I have no answer for that, it's my prediction. Stay tuned, . . . :fro

I actually think Mahimni will be with us next year for whatever reason. Marks will still be here. I think he'll be here for a long time.

[Spurologist]

A realistic expectation for the spurs is to hire trained huge gorillas for.... you guessed it.....gang raping Mark Cuban

[boutons_]

what's Robertas' Euro contract?

is he free, no buy-out?

[boutons_]

"Spurs Discover Loophole in Lease Allowing Them to Relocate to ..."

.... Pop's choice, Sonoma CA, renamed the Sonoma Vintners.

[Leetonidas]

what's Robertas' Euro contract?

is he free, no buy-out?

Free.

[THE SIXTH MAN]

Is Al Harrington a pipe dream?

[Leetonidas]

Is Al Harrington a pipe dream?

Yes.

[Sway]

My take:

Nazr will sign somewhere else.
Barry and Rasho will be traded.
Van Exel and Marks will retire.
Beno is staying…we can’t afford anything better.
Speedy gets more money somewhere else.
Spurs trade for a late 1st or early 2nd round pick (giving them a total of 2 for this year).

Spurs don’t have a lot of money to go around so they will do most of their upgrades with players they have already drafted and players they draft in this year’s draft.

I also see the Spurs transitioning primarily to a 2 PF lineup to better compete with the small ball teams. You will have one PF that primarily takes on the C responsibilities i.e. Duncan. The other PF will hopefully be fast enough to keep up with Dirk/Diaw, athletic enough to contest shots, and be able to rebound.

With that being said:

Spurs bring in Scola and Javtokas.
Spurs draft a long 3 i.e. Marcus Souza, Steve Novak, Shawne Williams, Steven Smith.
Spurs draft a quick PF i.e. Oleksiy Pecherov, James Augustine, Damir Markota, Solomon Jones, Paul Millsap, Taj Gray, Justin Williams, Josh Boone, Ryan Hollins

So the changes would look something like this:

PG Parker / Udrih
SG Manu / Finley
SF Bowen / Long 3 (Draft)
PF Scola / Horry / PF (Draft)
PF Duncan / Javtokas

* I know I’m a couple players short on this rotation, but I am too tired to guess on what players we would add via the Barry/Rasho trade and free agency.

[ChumpDumper]

Keepers:

Duncan
Parker
Ginobili
Bowen
Finley
Horry

Bubble:

Rasho -- Overpaid, but a guy like him is necessary as long as Yao is in the league (in our conference). Attempt to trade to Toronto for Rafeal Araujo and Eric Williams. We could keep either or both if we find them useful or simply waive them otherwise since they are in the last years of their contracts. If Rasho is gone without a replacement coming back, sign Albuquerque's Andreas Glyniadakis. Moves his 280 pound frame well and was really beginning to dominate the D-League late in the season.

Oberto -- Possible throw in or outright trade to some slowdown team (Memphis for Lorenzen Wright maybe?)

Gonzo:

Barry -- Beg NOLA to revisit the JR Smith/Macijauskas trade. Throw in Beno if necessary.

Nazr -- Sign and trade to Chitown for Chris Duhon (pending the latter's succesful recovery from surgery). Yeah it's big for small, but it's Nazr Mohammed and we'll get a trade exception. Sign Javtokas to replace him.

Beno -- Doesn't look like Pop will shit, so get off the pot. Get what you can.

Van Exel -- Retiring. If a Duhon deal goes through, pick up a project. Guys from the D-League like Aaron Miles (classic system guy who found his aggro side late in the season), Ramel Curry (broken-play scoring specialist with PG potential) or Derrick Zimmerman (crazy athletic defender and assist man with no perimeter game, available if NJ doesn't keep him) would be fine as a third point.

Marks -- If he's never going to be in the rotation, why is he here? Pick up Scola if he doesn't cost a billion dollars. Otherwise throw and offer at Chuck Hayes and see if Houston blinks. Or offer Scola to Rod "Cockblocker" Thorn for #22 or 23 and pick up some PF who might help in a couple of years like Shawne Williams, Josh Boone or Paul Milsap. Marcus Fizer has more range than any of these guys too, if he's not going back to NOLA.

Melvin Sanders - I think he has a fair amount of potential, but there are others out there as well. Erik Daniels ranked third in rebounds per game in the D-League playing the three, for example. Antwain Barbour and Roger Powell were near the top of the CBA in scoring. Plenty of options.

Lineups, then and now (of course the slashes denote possibilities, I'm not saying the Spur can cary 24 players):

Duncan - Duncan
Parker - Parker
Ginobili - Ginobili
Bowen - Bowen
Finley - Finley
Horry - Horry
Nazr - Javtokas
Barry - JR Smith
Beno - Chris Duhon
Rasho - Rasho/Andreas Glyniadakis/Rafael Araujo
Marks - Chuck Hayes/Luis Scola/NJ pick
Oberto - Oberto/Lorenzen Wright
Sanders - Erik Daniels/Roger Powell/Antwain Barbour/Eric Williams/Tommy Smith (can he still walk?)
NVE - Macijauskas/Ramel Curry/Aaron Miles


For that 15th spot, I'm all for bringing over Ian or Viktor early if we really think they are such hot shit and small ball is the future and the future is round two vs. Dallas. Start the clock on the rookie deals early, train them in Austin if necessary and re-sign them before they really blow up. Otherwise get another hustling forward from the #59 pick (Marcus Slaughter) or the D-League (TJ Cummings, Jamar Smith, Sharrod Ford).

This stuff seams realistic enough, and won't cost too much. I'm not going to try to do the numbers right now -- too much Shiner. There isn't a whole lot that needs to be done anyway.

[Bruno]

My offseason :
- Trade Rasho+Scola to Chicago for a trade exception
- Trade the TE+2007 first round pick to Atlanta for Al Harrington (S&T $50M/6 years).
- Trade Barry to a team under the cap like Hornets/Raptors/Bobcats/Jazz for a trade exception.
- Draft with the 59th pick Bobby Jones or a raw euro with some upside if Jones isn't available.
- Split the MLE between Jumaine Jones ($10M/3years) and Javtokas ($7M/3years).
- Sign Milt Palacio for the min. Palacio is a solid backup PG/SG that can play if Beno chokes.
- Sign Andreas Glyniadakis for the min. I don't know him but he is a big body and if he can play, he will be usefull against Yao&Shaq.
- Sign Bobby Jones or Sanikidze or a D-League guy as 14th player.

Roster :
PG : Parker/Udrih/Palacio
SG : Ginobili/Finley
SF : Bowen/Jones
PF : Harrington/Horry
C : Duncan/Javtokas/Oberto

IL : Glyniadakis/14th guy.

Money-wise, it's realistic : Spurs will be under the Luxury Tax.
Most of you will find it not realistic but to me it's realistic.

[timvp]

If Al Harrington is a Spur next year, I'll change my title and my legal name to BrunoIsGod.

No way in hell because he isn't that good and the Chicago isn't doing that trade.

[ChumpDumper]

I will throw David Wesley's name in the ring if we are going the vet backup PG route.

[Bruno]

If Al Harrington is a Spur next year, I'll change my title and my legal name to BrunoIsGod.

No way in hell because he isn't that good and the Chicago isn't doing that trade.

Quoted ;)
Your dream is Theron Smith, my dream is Al Harrington.

[Bruno]

I will throw David Wesley's name in the ring if we are going the vet backup PG route.

I've read that he has played with an injury for the last part of the season.
36 years old guy with an injury isn't my first choice as backup PG (cough... NVE ...cough)

[ChumpDumper]

Vet is not my preference as I've written; I always envisioned NVE as a 3rd PG. Beno screwed that up.

[Nbadan]

Back-up PG has never been a priority for POP and the Spurs seem to have enough bigs already in the pipe-line that they can't pay. I really think it's time for the Spurs to shit or get off the pot with Scola, but it may cost them to much to buy him out. Javtokas seems like a logical choice. The Spurs are likely to season Mahinmi for another year over-seas.

[TDMVPDPOY]

drew gooden is on the block also from the haverliers....

[Streakyshooter08]

What I would try to do:

1. Bring in Javtokas
2. Bring in Evans
3. Sign a long 3: Jones, Woods etc.
4. Trade Barry+X for J.R. Smith
5. Sign and trade Nazr for Duhon (if he will be healthy again) or try out Jay Williams

So you would go with:

Rasho/ Javtokas/ Oberto
TD/ Evans/ Horry
Bowen/ Finley/ Woods
Manu/ Smith/ X
Parker/ Duhon/ Udrih

If you go small put Evans and TD together. I would keep Rasho because the Rockets will probably be in the Playoffs next year so you need some size against Yao. It will be an interesting offseason...

[wildbill2u]

Several folks want to revisit the Barry/J.R. Smith trade. There was an awful lot written about Smith and his attitude problem over playing time, practice and consequent friction with the coach.

Won't the problems be even worse here, if he's playing behind an all-star?

[Bruno]

Another offseason plan:
- Trade Barry to Charlotte for Jumaine Jones (S&T $10M/3years)
- Draft with the 59th pick Bobby Jones or a raw euro with some upside if Jones isn't available.
- Trade Oberto to a team under the cap like Hornets/Raptors/Bulls/Jazz for a trade exception.
- Split the MLE between Luis Scola ($14M/4years) and Javtokas ($7M/3years).
- Sign Milt Palacio for the min.
- Sign Sean Marks for the min
- Sign Bobby Jones or Sanikidze or a D-League guy as 14th player.

Roster :
PG : Parker/Udrih/Palacio
SG : Ginobili/Finley
SF : Bowen/Jones
PF : Duncan/Scola/Horry
C : Nesterovic/Javtokas

IL : Marks/14th guy.

Spurs stay under the luxury tax threshold.

[strangeweather]

Nazr -- Sign and trade to Chitown for Chris Duhon (pending the latter's succesful recovery from surgery). Yeah it's big for small, but it's Nazr Mohammed and we'll get a trade exception. Sign Javtokas to replace him.

If Chicago is under the cap, why do they do a S&T to land Nazr?

[strangeweather]

Trade Barry for a sign and trade of Claxton.

Trade Rasho and Scola for a trade exception.

Trade Oberto and Beno for an sign and trade of Scot Pollard.

Split the midlevel between Reggie Evans and Jumaine Jones, sign Javtokas for the LLE.

Fill out the lineup with a couple of inexpensive players like Sanikidze.

Lineup:

PG: Parker, Claxton
SG: Manu, Finley
SF: Bowen, Jumaine Jones
PF: Duncan, R. Evans, Horry
C: Pollard, Javtokas

[Spurs Dynasty 21]

Realistic?

We sign a couple of scrubs
Lose Nazr
Worst of all: we are still stuck with Raaaaaaaaasho

[YamaSama]

How about trading Scola to Chicago for the #16 pick? Chicago needs a scoring big man, and they are way under the cap this summer (meaning they could absorb Scola's buyout).
With the #16 pick, the Spurs could grab one of the following: Rudy Fernandez, Thabo Sefolosha, Saer Sene, Oleksiy Pecherov, Shawne Williams, Marcus Vinicius, or maybe someone like Randy Foye or Rodney Carney if they slipped.

[strangeweather]

How about trading Scola to Chicago for the #16 pick? Chicago needs a scoring big man, and they are way under the cap this summer (meaning they could absorb Scola's buyout).
With the #16 pick, the Spurs could grab one of the following: Rudy Fernandez, Thabo Sefolosha, Saer Sene, Oleksiy Pecherov, Shawne Williams, Marcus Vinicius, or maybe someone like Randy Foye or Rodney Carney if they slipped.

Trading Scola for a mid to late first rounder is a legit possibility. The downside is that it almost certainly doesn't help us this year.

[TOP_MODEL_M]

Bring Javtokas & Scola.
Let Nazr go.Try a sign&trade if possible.I doubt it though.
Trade Rasho if possible.A decent draft pick would be perfect.However,it's not too realistic as well.
Get Bobby Jackson or Speedy.
Keep Brent Barry.

I find it realistic.Don't think we'll be very active with trades and free agents.Basically we've got what it takes to become champs again, we only need to get a few small peaces together, i.e. backup PG and a good big man.

One player I'd absolutely love to see in a Spurs uniform is Gerald Wallace.Don't see it working though.Unfortunately.He'd be the perfect Bowen successor at the 3.

Go Spurs Go! Win it all again next season!

[Slinkyman]

I like trading scola for a mid first round pick, but only if we draft Shawne Williams from memphis, he's 6'9 and can play SG, SF and PF. his profile:

Strengths: Has tremendous versatility, at 6-9 Shawne can play from the 1-thru-4 positions ... Advanced offensive game, really understands how to play ... Great one on one skills offensively ... Great vision, passing skills ... Good ball handler, almost second nature ... Can create for himself or others off the dribble drive ... Consistent jump shot, with range out to three point ... A highlight reel waiting to happen ... Extremely long wingspan makes him a terrific rebounder and shot blocker ... Good competitor, doesn't back down from a challenge, as he showed squaring off with Adam Morrison after being pushed ... His body is not far from being NBA ready ...

Weaknesses: Low-release point on his jumper could cause problems at the next level ... Will need to develop better defensive technique, more intensity ... Quickness is very good, but won't stand out on the next level ... Still must add strength and conditioning ...

[loveforthegame]

Retires: NVE and Marks
Walks: Nazr and Sanders
Trade: Barry/Oberto/Udrih for Brown/Smith
MLE: Split between Marcus Banks and Jumaine Jones
LLE: Javtokas

I'm not sure what it's called? Can you sign Chuck Hayes to the minimum?

New depth chart looks like this:

Rasho/Javtokas/Horry
Duncan/Brown/Hayes
Bowen/Jones
Ginobli/Finley/Smith
Parker/Banks

[Texas_Ranger]

Trade Barry for J.R. Smith
Trade Nazr & Oberto for P.J. Brown
Bring Claxton, Scola, Javtokas.
Trade Marks for some good first round pick


Roster:

Tony Parker/Speedy Claxton/beno Udrih
Manu Ginobili/Michael Finley
Bruce Bowen/J.R.Smith/Melvin Sanders
Tim Duncan/Robert Horry/Luis Scola
Rasho Nesterovic/Robertas Javtokas

[ChumpDumper]

If Chicago is under the cap, why do they do a S&T to land Nazr?They do want to trade Duhon and that would give them a center for a net cap hit of, say, $3 million instead of $6 million. They'll have more cap space left to sign other players they want.

[ChumpDumper]

- Trade Barry to Charlotte for Jumaine Jones (S&T $10M/3years)I don't see them saddling themselves with Barry's deal when they are on the verge of having huge cap space, something that makes them erally attractive to potential buyers. Look for their front office to play a vintage Sterling/Baylor strategy for another year.

[El_Mago]

Trading Scola to Chicago for the 16th pick is a legit possibility.

Chicago does need a scoring big man and they do have the money to help out with Scola's buy-out.

Plus, the fact that they already have a successful Argentinian in Nocioni would only help out the transition.

With the 16th pick, a lot of scenarios can occur. You can go the route of getting an experienced college player who could possibly come in and help out....or you can role the dice with a foreign player with a lot of talent and potential......Splitter, Marquinhos, Alexsandrov, etc.....

[leemajors]

duhon would be a nice pickup, it would be nice to have a backup point who can d up.

[ChumpDumper]

I wouldn't expect any draft pick to be truly useful for about 2 years. The FO would really have to be high on a guy if they project to be over the tax - this doesn't include foreigners.

[ALVAREZ6]

Roster:

Tony Parker/Speedy Claxton/beno Udrih
Manu Ginobili/Michael Finley
Bruce Bowen/J.R.Smith/Melvin Sanders
Tim Duncan/Robert Horry/Luis Scola
Rasho Nesterovic/Robertas Javtokas
That roster looks kick ass, but I doubt all of that will happen in 1 summer.

[SenorSpur]

Since Minnesota is making overtures about letting go of their No# 6 pick in this upcoming draft, perhaps the Spurs can work a deal to obtain this pick. Assuming, of course, they've targeted a player they really like that will be available.

[Bruno]

I don't see them saddling themselves with Barry's deal when they are on the verge of having huge cap space, something that makes them erally attractive to potential buyers. Look for their front office to play a vintage Sterling/Baylor strategy for another year.

I think Charlotte will do this trade for various reasons :

- Barry's salary isn't $20M/ year : it's $5M per year, it won't ruin their future.

- Don't forget that they had to re-sign Wallace and Okafor in 08 and Felton (and maybe May) in 09. If they don't want to pay the luxury tax, they won't spend tons of money with free agent in 07 and 08. I don't think Charlotte will be close to the Salary cap for the next two years. Barry's contract expire at the good moment for them and won't disturb them of doing what they want.

- They need a SG who is agood shooter.

- They need some leadership and experience. Charlotte will maybe trade Knight this summer too and Barry's experience will be huge for them. Barry is a good locker room presence.

[SenorSpur]

Spurs should pursue the Barry for J.R. Smith trade instead

[ChumpDumper]

I simply don't believe the Cats are at the point where they are looking for an old guy like Barry. Had Barry showed any real leadership here I might see the point, but if the Cats are spending money on anything, it'll be on youth.

[Bruno]

I simply don't believe the Cats are at the point where they are looking for an old guy like Barry. Had Barry showed any real leadership here I might see the point, but if the Cats are spending money on anything, it'll be on youth.

The edge of spending money on Barry instead of spending money on a young guy is that he is a two year investment while a young player will be a 5 year investment and they will need money in two years. For them, it's basicly being better now without handicaping their future.
Anyway, I understand what you say and there are reasons too for Charlotte not to take Barry. I just think they have more reasons to do it than not to do it.

[strangeweather]

I simply don't believe the Cats are at the point where they are looking for an old guy like Barry. Had Barry showed any real leadership here I might see the point, but if the Cats are spending money on anything, it'll be on youth.

You might be right. But they have an awful lot of kids on that team, and teams usually like having a mix. Barry isn't a born leader or anything, but he is a good citizen who can be a little more dependable than a lot of kids are.

HAving said that, they might not want to take on his contract when they could find a cheaper veteran or two out on the market somewhere.

[ChumpDumper]

This will be the first year the Cats have the full cap to work with. They will likely either spend it on a max-type player or sit on it until they find a buyer. They don't have to worry about Okafor until 08.

[rascal]

Realistic?

We sign a couple of scrubs
Lose Nazr
Worst of all: we are still stuck with Raaaaaaaaasho

Agree with this. I don't expect any draft day trade to move up. Or any trade to get JR Smith. Rasho will still be on the team and the players they add won't be better than the players they lose.

[timvp]

All I know is if the Spurs don't get a good rebounder who can also play in small ball, next season is over before it starts.

[Mavschick]

All I know is if the Spurs don't get a good rebounder who can also play in small ball, next season is over before it starts.

Drew Gooden? He's a little inconsistent, but he's a great rebounder when he feels like it. He's not exactly Dan Gadzuric, but he can run the floor pretty well for a big man. When the Griz had him, they thought so highly of his mobility that they played him at SF a bit.