Dallas @ Phoenix Game 3 Thread

[mavsfan1000]

Should be a great game. Go Dallas.

[ducks]

I bet they will not be 36 free throws to the mavs to the suns 9 this game

[mavsfan1000]

Enough blaming the refs. Phoenix doesn't attack the rim anyways unlike Dallas who wants to pound it in on a lot of plays to slow down the game. No surprise there is a big differential in freethrows.

[spurschick]

Just out of curiousity, why would you start this thread in the Spurs forum and not the NBA forum? The Pistons fans on the board usually start game blogs there.

[Horry For 3!]

Spurs forum?????

[Spurologist]

Spurs forum?????

Game 2 was here. Where were you at. Gotta keep the traffic. A great game in store.

[mavsfan1000]

Nothing else going on and a mavs/suns series I think interest more fans than a Pistons/Heat series.

[ducks]

damm I see more want to be mods
kori is online and will move it if SHE wants





should be a great game

suns by 10


first suns game at home
place will be packed and LOUD tonight


ps I had a free ticket for tonights game had the spurs been playing

[Spurologist]

Nothing else going on and a mavs/suns series I think interest more fans than a Pistons/Heat series.

This is the probably the best PLAYOFFS the nba has seen. EVERY SINGLE SERIES FROM THE FIRST ROUND TILL NOW has been MUST SEE TV.

[J.T.]

Must see TV ended when the Spurs were eliminated. Funny how everyone says the Spurs are boring, but playoffs are suddenly not as interesting without San Antonio. Hmm...

Suns by 87. Go Suns.

[Wu banga]

If howardf can win the match up against thomas and diaw like he did last game the mavs will have a hard time losing. Diop has to play good defensively again too.

[bonesinaz]

suns 140
mavs 67

[Drbio]

This is the probably the best PLAYOFFS the nba has seen. EVERY SINGLE SERIES FROM THE FIRST ROUND TILL NOW has been MUST SEE TV.
I agree with this. I have thoroughly enjoyed all of the series.

[J.T.]

I am not going to watch this game until the 4th quarter because I don't watch boring. But go Suns, show everyone why you're in the elite b2b MVP class Steve! (and make Cuban eat crow for not paying enough to get you back!)

[picnroll]

Showed a replay of that bitch Terry continuing his dirty play throwing an elbow to Nash's forehead and cutting him. Parker was right, the guy is a cheap shot artist. Somebody needs to lay that fucker out.

[angel_luv]

Go Suns!

Mojo to you. :)

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

Showed a replay of that bitch Terry continuing his dirty play throwing an elbow to Nash's forehead and cutting him. Parker was right, the guy is a cheap shot artist. Somebody needs to lay that fucker out.

waaaaaaaaaaaah

when Bowen starts playing 100% clean then you can whine about other players

[picnroll]

waaaaaaaaaaaah

when Bowen starts playing 100% clean then you can whine about other players
Show me the blood bitch.

[Spurologist]

Since when is scoring 25 pts a low scoring quarter, Marv?

[picnroll]

Go Suns go. Kick some Mav ass.

[Spurologist]

Boris Diaw for Rasho straight up. The money matches and the suns needs a slow big man to run their offense.

[td4mvp21]

waaaaaaaaaaaah

when Bowen starts playing 100% clean then you can whine about other players

And maybe when the Nuggets win a playoff series you can start telling us what to do?

[td4mvp21]

waaaaaaaaaaaah

when Bowen starts playing 100% clean then you can whine about other players

And maybe when the Nuggets win a playoff series you can start telling us what to do? Or how about never?

[Spurologist]

And maybe when the Nuggets win a playoff series you can start telling us what to do? Or how about never?

Didn't you get the memo. For the nuggets, going to the playoffs is like winning a championship.

[td4mvp21]

:lol

[Spurologist]

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/6/web/450000-450999/450865_14_full.jpg

[picnroll]

lol

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

:lol

I [heart] Tim Thomas.

[picnroll]

Dirk bumps Nash on the drive and no call. Duncan made the same bumps and got called everytime.

[Spurologist]

:wow Did Diop just get in Dirk's face in that last bit? He probably said something like "Get me the fuckin ball" He looked amped

[Spurologist]

:lmao Holy shit. Did Magic Johnson gain 100 IBS over-night

[CHAMPS AGAIN]

waaaaaaaaaaaah

when Bowen starts playing 100% clean then you can whine about other players

when your coach stops whining you can talked about other players

[Tek_XX]

:lmao Holy shit. Did Magic Johnson gain 100 IBS over-night

I'm sure he'd rather be gaining than losing.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

waaaaaaaaaaaah

when Bowen starts playing 100% clean then you can whine about other players


It's funny, if the guy is so dirty, and all the refs know it, why doesn't he get called for more fouls?

Dude keeps his hands up and his feet moving, so no foul. I played D the same way in HS and it really pissed off whoever I was matched up against.

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

when your coach stops whining you can talked about other players

:lol Pop was whining more this series than anyone else in these playoffs

his reactions courtside were priceless :smokin

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

It's funny, if the guy is so dirty, and all the refs know it, why doesn't he get called for more fouls?

Dude keeps his hands up and his feet moving, so no foul. I played D the same way in HS and it really pissed off whoever I was matched up against.

so why are people calling Terry dirty? He gets away with it (except that punch
:lol ) so whats wrong with that?

dont pretend Bruce is high and mighty and yet other players are just dirty if they dont get get called for whatever they do

[angel_luv]

Tony sighting! awwww

[angel_luv]

That is nice that he went to watch Diaw. :)

[RON ARTEST]

tony parker is out of his fucking mind. he just said the spurs have a young team. :lmao

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

so why are people calling Terry dirty?

How many guys has Bowen punched in the balls?

STFU Nuggets troll.

[Spurologist]

Suns are on a 4-0 run since the tp interview.

[Spurologist]

tony parker is out of his fucking mind. he just said the spurs have a young team. :lmao

He is looking into the future Ronny.

[Spurologist]

Did Dirk just catch the ball, do a hop step and dribble the ball again. What a Move.



By this guy:

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/6/web/450000-450999/450865_14_full.jpg

[angel_luv]

Let's go Suns.

Win please!

[angel_luv]

Did Dirk just catch the ball, do a hop step and dribble the ball again. What a Move.



By this guy:

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/6/web/450000-450999/450865_14_full.jpg


Let's here it for the sixth man! :rolleyes


:lol

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

How many guys has Bowen punched in the balls?

STFU Nuggets troll.

how many guys has Terry kicked in the back, undercut, kicked in the face?

:lol :smokin

[picnroll]

Is there technically such a thing as a Nugget's troll? If you're team sucks ass can you be a troll? Wouldn't you be more like a Nugget's gnome?

[angel_luv]

Van Horn with the and one?

Phoenix!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[angel_luv]

Get a rebound oh my gosh!!!!!!!

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

remind me again why Nash is MVP and not Dirk? The award is a joke

[Spurologist]

So who won the mvp this year?

[RON ARTEST]

So who won the mvp this year?
nash

[conneaut615]

Get a rebound oh my gosh!!!!!!!

Turnovers and those long rebounds are killing the Suns. They have to pull this series out. The thought of Cuban et al at the Finals with the accompanying media hype is just too much to comprhend. What did Marv just say - Suns need a sense of urgency? Guess so. .. At least the lead's down to 6. . .

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

Nash makes me eat crow.....

oh well, Dirk is still much more deserving :smokin

[angel_luv]

Mojo Suns!

[Spurologist]

So who won the mvp this year?

I think it was Nash. :lol

[RON ARTEST]

damn the suns came back quick.

[angel_luv]

That was stupid

[strangeweather]

Dallas has done a great job of controlling the tempo of this game. Who would have figured that Suns-Mavs would be 88-84 with a little over 2 minutes to go?

[angel_luv]

Suns what is the use of coming back if you are going to throw it away????

Goodness.

Rebound!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Spurologist]

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/6/web/450000-450999/450865_14_full.jpg

[picnroll]

Javie has fucked up several calls again

[angel_luv]

I don't think that hit the rim. Look like it touched glass.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Aaaaaaaaaaaand the refs fuck it up again. Horrible call Javie.

[RON ARTEST]

where all those suns fans that said they play defense? :lol

[ShoogarBear]

That did not hit the rim.

[Spurologist]

Javie admits guilt. Get the fuck outta here.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Mavs win game 3*.

* did not hit rim.

The officiating has sucked ass all the way around. East, west, fucking joke.

[ShoogarBear]

I can't wait for the next post from Steve Javie. "My fault".

[angel_luv]

Suns deserve this lost for their lack of rebounds alone.

Darn it though!

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

WWE with a ball.

Welcome to the NBA.

[picnroll]

Javie also blew two out of bounds call that should have been off Dallas in this game. Is Cuban blowing him this playoffs?

[RON ARTEST]

why does terry always do that ugly ass face! that shit is annoying.

[Spurologist]

Is Jason Terry retarded? That is a serious question. I don't think developing a face deformity during a game normal.

[picnroll]

It's officially Steve "My Fault" Javie

[windboy226]

The ball did hit the rim...watch the right replay...it clearly hit...

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I used to think Javie was a good ref but the playoffs this year he is calling games like a little league ref.

[conneaut615]

Suns deserve this lost for their lack of rebounds alone.

Darn it though!

Lack of rebounds and they weren't the least bit aggressive. Never went after loose balls. And it sure didn't look like that ball hit the rim.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

The ball did hit the rim...watch the right replay...it clearly hit...

They showed it from six different angles, and it didn't hit in any of them :lol

[picnroll]

The ball did hit the rim...watch the right replay...it clearly hit... Listen homeboy Javie even acknowledged he fucked up.

[conneaut615]

why does terry always do that ugly ass face! that shit is annoying.

And Dirk always looks like he's smelling something really nasty.

[Spurologist]

The ball did hit the rim...watch the right replay...it clearly hit...

Gorillas vs. Mark Cuban

Cuban needs all the help he can get. Care to join him?

[braeden0613]

The ball did hit the rim...watch the right replay...it clearly hit...
??? i watched it 3 times and didnt see it

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I love how the TNT crew is trying to rationalize the officiating not having an impact.

[makedamnsure]

That shit didn't hit the rim.

Cannot wait to see all the stupid bulletins from Mavs fans on Myspace

[ShoogarBear]

The ball did hit the rim...watch the right replay...it clearly hit...
Mav Fan reinforces his reputation.

[Winnipeg_Spur]

A controversial call going the Mavs way in a playoff game? I'm shocked, really...

[angel_luv]

Suns- you had better win the next game!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You can do it!

[strangeweather]

The ball did hit the rim...watch the right replay...it clearly hit...

I wouldn't say it was clear, but from the angle where you saw the backboard head-on, it looked like it grazed the rim and deflected slightly.

[conneaut615]

I love how the TNT crew is trying to rationalize the officiating not having an impact.

Yep. And now it's all about the Thomas turnover. They'll run that one into the ground.

[windboy226]

yeah it didnt...but they slowed it down on one angle and it showed it grazed the rim and went to the side...once again steve kerr is the only one to get it right.

[DubMcDub]

A controversial call going the Mavs way in a playoff game? I'm shocked, really...

Says the fan whose team outshot Dallas from the foul line by the boatload in Games 5, 6, and 7.

Please. Dallas won this game because they played 10x better in the second half. Sour grapes sure are fun...

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

yeah it didnt...but they slowed it down on one angle and it showed it grazed the rim and went to the side...once again steve kerr is the only one to get it right.

Actually Kerr said he still wasn't sure.

[windboy226]

Listen homeboy Javie even acknowledged he fucked up.

Javie's so dumb he'll admit he got it wrong even when he got it right...They showed it only once at that angle but it grazed the rim before hitting the backboard. TNT should spend more time showing the game than talking to Hasslehoff or TP...it's annoying really.

[Spurologist]

How do you fuck up a routine nba call. Shot clock violation happen every game. Fucking useless to have a brain fart in that situation. Man up Javie. If you saw it hit rim stick to your fucking decision. If it did, call it. Stick to your call, moron. Fucking pathetic.

[picnroll]

Javie's so dumb he'll admit he got it wrong even when he got it right...
*

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

Says the fan whose team outshot Dallas from the foul line by the boatload in Games 5, 6, and 7.

Please. Dallas won this game because they played 10x better in the second half. Sour grapes sure are fun...

yeh its easy to see the Mavs are better , they can play the suns way or slow it down , play some D and still win

its all good, Spurs fans are just jealous coz the Spurs can't match the Mavs :smokin

Mavs are clearly the best team in the NBA at the moment. Pistons are average and the Heat im yet to decide on, a Mavs-Heat finals will be interesting. Who will stop Dirk and Howard and who will stop Wade and Shaq?

[Winnipeg_Spur]

Says the fan whose team outshot Dallas from the foul line by the boatload in Games 5, 6, and 7.

Please. Dallas won this game because they played 10x better in the second half. Sour grapes sure are fun...
All Dallas did on defense was grab Duncan, so of course the Spurs shot a lot of FTs...

[DubMcDub]

yeh its easy to see the Mavs are better , they can play the suns way or slow it down , play some D and still win

its all good, Spurs fans are just jealous coz the Spurs can't match the Mavs :smokin

Mavs are clearly the best team in the NBA at the moment. Pistons are average and the Heat im yet to decide on, a Mavs-Heat finals will be interesting. Who will stop Dirk and Howard and who will stop Wade and Shaq?

Mavs would have the advantage because nobody on the Heat can slow down Dirk, whereas Howard is feasibly capable of at least holding Wade to 20 or so points every now and again.

Shaq, nobody can stop him. You just have to hope he gets into foul trouble or has a day where he can't get good lift.

[strangeweather]

Mavs are clearly the best team in the NBA at the moment. Pistons are average and the Heat im yet to decide on, a Mavs-Heat finals will be interesting. Who will stop Dirk and Howard and who will stop Wade and Shaq?

I would have thought a Nuggets fan would know average when he saw it.

The Pistons seem like they need their backs against the wall before they put everything into a series, but my ass they're average.

Having said that, Dallas is looking really good right now.

[DubMcDub]

All Dallas did on defense was grab Duncan, so of course the Spurs shot a lot of FTs...

There were questionable calls ALL SERIES both ways, and there have been questionable calls in this series both ways.

You have to understand that my argument isn't even that the Spurs got preferential treatment--it's simply that the calls even out over time. Mavs had the ref advantage in games 2 3 and 4, Spurs had it in 1 5 6 and 7.

And again in the WCF, it evens out. Harris was called for a BULLSHIT offensive foul at the end of Game 1 which the Suns end up winning. Suns get a likely bullshit 24 second non-call in Game 3 which the Mavs end up winning. It evens out.

[strangeweather]

Mavs would have the advantage because nobody on the Heat can slow down Dirk, whereas Howard is feasibly capable of at least holding Wade to 20 or so points every now and again.

Shaq, nobody can stop him. You just have to hope he gets into foul trouble or has a day where he can't get good lift.

Actually, Diop and Dampier is a pretty nice tandem for defending Shaq. You might foul him a fair bit, but he's not going to bull through either of those guys for the easy and-1.

[DubMcDub]

Actually, Diop and Dampier is a pretty nice tandem for defending Shaq. You might foul him a fair bit, but he's not going to bull through either of those guys for the easy and-1.

You think so? I have my doubts that either of them can slow him down.

You might be right. He is older and slower these days, and Diop and Damp are big guys....

[MissAllThat]

Javie's so dumb he'll admit he got it wrong even when he got it right...They showed it only once at that angle but it grazed the rim before hitting the backboard. TNT should spend more time showing the game than talking to Hasslehoff or TP...it's annoying really.

I'm not saying I agree that it hit the rim, but they kept showing stupid angles. Thats what pisses me off, is that they sit there debating a call (or no call) while pondering if its right on the wrong angles. An above the rim or ground cam would have shown if it did (or did not) touch the rim. That's all they had to show (and yes, I know they have these angles), not the same damn angle from half court that doesn't help at all.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

its all good, Spurs fans are just jealous coz the Spurs can't match the Mavs

Howabout them Nuggets, troll?

[Horry For 3!]

Game 2 was here. Where were you at. Gotta keep the traffic. A great game in store.
I was visiting with my friend when she was here, I don't give a shit about this series or any other if Spurs are not in it.

[picnroll]

Diop and Dumpy will be in foul trouble from the get go, particularly Diop and Mav fans will be whining about the unfirness of them getting "touch" fouls call on them trying to sumo wrestle Shaq like they did Duncan.

[MissAllThat]

yeh its easy to see the Mavs are better , they can play the suns way or slow it down , play some D and still win

its all good, Spurs fans are just jealous coz the Spurs can't match the Mavs :smokin

Mavs are clearly the best team in the NBA at the moment. Pistons are average and the Heat im yet to decide on, a Mavs-Heat finals will be interesting. Who will stop Dirk and Howard and who will stop Wade and Shaq?

Who gave you a right to speak? Please cease talking until your team makes it out of the first round.

[picnroll]

Nuggets won't make the playoffs next year. So hang on to those Mavs' coat tails Nug gnome.

[Spurologist]

I was visiting with my friend when she was here, I don't give a shit about this series or any other if Spurs are not in it.

Good because you missed another fuck up special by Javie

[Slinkyman]

Mavs would have the advantage because nobody on the Heat can slow down Dirk, whereas Howard is feasibly capable of at least holding Wade to 20 or so points every now and again.

Shaq, nobody can stop him. You just have to hope he gets into foul trouble or has a day where he can't get good lift.

You're fucking stupid if you think Josh Howard is going to even slow down D.Wade. Howard will be in foul trouble the whole series and wade will get 20 points from the foul line.

[picnroll]

They showed two angles on TNT just now. It did not hit the rim. Any Mav fan that says it did is totally full of shit. No surprise there though.

[leemajors]

You think so? I have my doubts that either of them can slow him down.

You might be right. He is older and slower these days, and Diop and Damp are big guys....

even old and slow, they will need mbenga's 6 fouls too. dallas would have to hope for him picking up offensive fouls. the best center in the wnba will not come close to holding shaq back.

[DubMcDub]

You're fucking stupid if you think Josh Howard is going to even slow down D.Wade. Howard will be in foul trouble the whole series and wade will get 20 points from the foul line.

Sigh. I love it when people call other people "fucking stupid" as they have absolutely no idea what they're talking about:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore?gid=2005112514 Wade 7/19 for 23 pts

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore?gid=2006020906 Wade 6/13 for 16 points.

Guess who defended Wade in both those games. Tell me more about how stupid I am, though. :rolleyes

[dieman8686]

You guys bitching about the refs again??? Your acting as if the refs could have seen the play on slow motion...it was a long fast shot that hit the board(not sure if it grazed the rim or not hard to tell) that without replay everyone would have probably agreed with the call. The crowd only reacted only after the replay, and then you guys bitch out the refs....
Clearly we outplayed the Suns in the second half with some good defense and hustling for the rebounds(reason why we really won), especially at the end of regulation. So stop your BS bitching that I hear after every fucking game with the suns, aside from game one becase they won...hmm)which aslo happened the same way with the Spurs series.

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

Howabout them Nuggets, troll?


fishing, just like your spurs........ :smokin

they have as much to show for this season as the Nuggets :lol

[Slinkyman]

Sigh. I love it when people call other people "fucking stupid" as they have absolutely no idea what they're talking about:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore?gid=2005112514

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore?gid=2006020906

Guess who defended Wade in both those games. Tell me more about how stupid I am, though. :rolleyes

because the regular season is the same as the playoffs, much less the finals :rolleyes Detroit, which is the far better defensive team can't stop wade how does dallas?

holy shit i just realized one of those games was from nov. before riley and Shaq was still injured. :rolleyes Are you serious? Honestly it's a good match up because the heat's bench is as good or better then dallas', so it comes down to individual match up and dallas doesn't have an answer for shaq or wade while posey and walker can guard dirk.

[spurster]

Maybe it didn't hit the rim, but it's an easy mistake for the officials to make given how close it was.

[strangeweather]

You think so? I have my doubts that either of them can slow him down.

You might be right. He is older and slower these days, and Diop and Damp are big guys....

Nobody's going to stop Shaq. And your guys are going to rack up the fouls, like they did against Timmy.

But compare Diop and Damp with guys like Krstic or Ilgauskas or Kaman -- a lot of centers aren't nearly strong enough to keep Shaq from pushing them around all game. Your guys can come pretty close to holding their own on the block, which means that when he draws hard contact, he may not also get the basket.

That's mostly what you want when defending Shaq. The only thing that would be better would be guys who could also make Shaq work his ass off on offense, but those guys are really hard to find.

[DubMcDub]

because the regular season is the same as the playoffs, much less the finals :rolleyes Detroit, which is the far better defensive team can't stop wade how does dallas?

Oh give me a break. Wade isn't playing any better in the playoffs than he was playing in the early season. He's been kicking ass all year.

Your bitterness is pretty astounding though. And it's quite humorous how, when confronted with facts that completely disproved your bullshit argument, you resort to "buhhh uhhh ummm well it's the playoffs!!!!"

Pathetic. Get back to me when you can substantiate an argument with something other than pure conjecture.

[windboy226]

They showed two angles on TNT just now. It did not hit the rim. Any Mav fan that says it did is totally full of shit. No surprise there though.

I don't know why but this is driving me crazy...I can't believe these people(Barkley, Smith) get so much money and don't even pay attention to the game. They only showed it once at the angle but it showed it grazing the rim which led it to hit the backboard...Javie made the right call and they show all the crappy angles over and over again but don't show the one at the best angle.

[Spurologist]

Sigh. I love it when people call other people "fucking stupid" as they have absolutely no idea what they're talking about:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore?gid=2005112514 Wade 7/19 for 23 pts

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore?gid=2006020906 6/13 for 16 points.

Guess who defended Wade in both those games. Tell me more about how stupid I am, though. :rolleyes

WTF is your point. Wade still played well in those games. This is the playoffs. Who the fuck is Howard guarding now? J. Jones? House? His ass will be in for a wake up call if Howard meets him in the playoffs. Is he 100% after the ankle injury. He might needs some extra wrap around it just because it might get tweaked.

[dieman8686]

You're fucking stupid if you think Josh Howard is going to even slow down D.Wade. Howard will be in foul trouble the whole series and wade will get 20 points from the foul line.
Sorry but you got :owned . By Dub
Also, take a look at the fouls that Josh had (3 and 2) he sure was in foul trouble there.... Wait what happened to the Detriot sweep over Dallas? What happened to Detriot?

[DubMcDub]

WTF is your point. Wade still played well in those games. This is the playoffs. Who the fuck is Howard guarding now? J. Jones? House? His ass will be in for a wake up call if Howard meets him in the playoffs. Is he 100% after the ankle injury. He might needs some extra wrap around it just because it might get tweaked.

7 for 19 (36%) on your home court is "good" for a top 8-10 NBA player?

Ok. If you say so. :lol :lol :lol

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Guess who defended Wade in both those games. Tell me more about how stupid I am, though

You are really fucking stupid if you think Wade played the regular season at anywhere near the level he's playing at right now.


they have as much to show for this season as the Nuggets

Considering the league gives players bonuses for how far they make it in the post-season, I'm going to have to disagree.

[Slinkyman]

Sorry but you got http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/8821/123230730495be.gif . By Dub
Also, take a look at the fouls that Josh had (3 and 2) he sure was in foul trouble there.... Wait what happened to the Detriot sweep over Dallas? What happened to Detriot?

Find where i said anything about detriot beating the heat? like i said the regular season doesn't mean shit so what happened in november doesn't matter now. If the heat and mavs advance the heat will win in 6 based on match ups.

[DubMcDub]

You are really fucking stupid if you think Wade played the regular season at anywhere near the level he's playing at right now.

Wade averaged 27.2 points a game in the regular season. He's averaging 26.9 points a game in the playoffs.

He averaged 6.7 assists per game in the regular season, he's averaging 7 a game in the playoffs.

You guys are making it way too easy. To save yourselves some time, maybe you should actually look up the numbers before throwing out nonsense that's going to be immediately knocked down with facts.

[dieman8686]

WTF is your point. Wade still played well in those games. This is the playoffs. Who the fuck is Howard guarding now? J. Jones? House? His ass will be in for a wake up call if Howard meets him in the playoffs. Is he 100% after the ankle injury. He might needs some extra wrap around it just because it might get tweaked.
Wow, before Detriot would be unstoppable if the Mavs played them, since they losing the series now you guys come up with some BS about how we can't win against some else, heck you guys would even bitch and say how we could not win against Portland.....morons.

[Spurologist]

7 for 19 (36%) on your home court is "good" for a top 8-10 NBA player?

Ok. If you say so. :lol :lol :lol

You didn't mention his other game. I didn't say great. I said well as in decent. Please read. How about playing a team that is not suffering through injuries. Miami seems to be peaking at the right time of the season injury free. If they get past Detroit, they will have Shaq, Mourning, J-Will etc. playing healthy and well. Care to tell me if Shaq or Mourning was missing during the games you played them. It shouldn't be that hard. Just look for the name and read to see if they played. Thanks

[DubMcDub]

Find where i said anything about detriot beating the heat? like i said the regular season doesn't mean shit so what happened in november doesn't matter now. If the heat and mavs advance the heat will win in 6 based on match ups.

Matchups? You're right, I suppose James Posey, Udonis Haslem, or Antoine Walker has the potential to slow down Dirk...

:lol :lol :lol :lol

[DubMcDub]

You didn't mention his other game. I didn't say great. I said well as in decent. Please read. How about playing a team that is not suffering through injuries. Miami seems to be peaking at the right time of the season injury free. If they get past Detroit, they will have Shaq, Mourning, J-Will etc. playing healthy and well. Care to tell me if Shaq or Mourning was missing during the games you played them. It shouldn't be that hard. Just look for the name and read to see if they played. Thanks

I didn't mention his 16 point, under 50% shooting game. You're right. Once we add that into the argument you clearly are correct. :lol

How's this for "please read": Why don't YOU go back and read my original post about Wade, where I said Howard could "slow him down and hold him to 20 or so points a couple times in the series." That statement would imply that the other games he will score 30 or so and have great games. I don't recall saying anywhere that we would stop him, or that we would ever cause him to have a "terrible" game.

Seeing as though he was held to under 50% shooting 2 out of 2 times by Howard in the regular season, I'd say my argument that he can be held to similar numbers 2 or 3 times in a potential finals series is much more substantiated than your completely subjective argument that he'll dominate for 7 games.

[Slinkyman]

Matchups? You're right, I suppose James Posey, Udonis Haslem, or Antoine Walker has the potential to slow down Dirk...

:lol :lol :lol :lol

Those 3 guys are going to have more success then anybody on the spurs(except bowen) and anybody on PHX especially Posey who's a very good defender. They won't stop him but they will slow him down and Miami has 2 good centers in the middle in Shaq and Zo which means no eazy lay ups for dallas. Dirk will not get 17 boards a game in a series against Miami that's for sure, the x-factor is Shaq IMO and i can see him getting 25 and 12 against Diop and Dampier while doing what SA and PHX couldn't do and that's clog the lane with bigs.

[Drbio]

Maybe we should eliminate Phoenix before looking to Miami. :hat

[dieman8686]

Find where i said anything about detriot beating the heat? like i said the regular season doesn't mean shit so what happened in november doesn't matter now. If the heat and mavs advance the heat will win in 6 based on match ups.
No, my man, you tell me where I said that you said that Detriot beats heat(wow :lol ). Wait but you claiming about how Howard will be owned by Wade, that you just pulled from your ass and with no facts is better than proof of what happened in the regular season? Its like me saying Tim will suck throughout the DAL VS SAS series that I just pulled out of my ass.

[DubMcDub]

Those 3 guys are going to have more success then anybody on the spurs(except bowen) and anybody on PHX especially Posey who's a very good defender. They won't stop him but they will slow him down and Miami has 2 good centers in the middle in Shaq and Zo which means no eazy lay ups for dallas. Dirk will not get 17 boards a game in a series against Miami that's for sure, the x-factor is Shaq IMO and i can see him getting 25 and 12 against Diop and Dampier.

Marion is just as good a defender as Posey. And neither are even 1/10th as good as Bowen, the only person in the entire NBA really who can semi-consistently knock Dirk off his game a bit.

Dirk will dominate. Wade and Shaq will be awesome. It comes down to the other guys--and Dallas's are much, much better.

[Sii]

why are fucking mav fags hanging out on a Spurs board to talk about the Mavs/Suns series? how absurd

[Son of Mavs Man]

Marion is just as good a defender as Posey. And neither are even 1/10th as good as Bowen, the only person in the entire NBA really who can semi-consistently knock Dirk off his game a bit.

Dirk will dominate. Wade and Shaq will be awesome. It comes down to the other guys--and Dallas's are much, much better.

Agreed, except Marion is such an overrated defender. Great weak side blocker, not a great man-on-man defender. Bowen is amazing at that, and that's why the stats don't show it. On paper, Marion seems as good or better, but it's because his stats are bloated like Ben Wallace's. Weak side blocks and interceptions.

But you are definitely right about our periferals being much better, because they are.

[Spurologist]

I didn't mention his 16 point, under 50% shooting game. You're right. Once we add that into the argument you clearly are correct. :lol

How's this for "please read": Why don't YOU go back and read my original post about Wade, where I said Howard could "slow him down and hold him to 20 or so points a couple times in the series." That statement would imply that the other games he will score 30 or so and have great games. I don't recall saying anywhere that we would stop him, or that we would ever cause him to have a "terrible" game.

Seeing as though he was held to under 50% shooting 2 out of 2 times by Howard in the regular season, I'd say my argument that he can be held to similar numbers 2 or 3 times in a potential finals series is much more substantiated than your completely subjective argument that he'll dominate for 7 games.

Howard slow him down. Congrats for that. You seem to have ignored my other arguement concerning injuries. This is why they have been up and down all season. They are now getting better and playing well together. Shaq and Lonzo are both healthy and are domesticating the wallace boys right now. Because Shaq is playing well, the focus is a bit off of him. That's my whole fucking point. Wade had to jack up every fucking shot against Howard who I am not even sure defended him the whole game because the rest his team couldn't do shit. I wonder why. Injuries. Yes it's legit. They closed out a very good bulls quickly. Wade will have off night of course, but his imprint will be all over that potential series. Points, assists, rebounds, whatever.

[Son of Mavs Man]

why are fucking mav fags hanging out on a Spurs board to talk about the Mavs/Suns series? how absurd

Bitter?

[DubMcDub]

Howard slow him down. Congrats for that. You seem to have ignored my other arguement concerning injuries. This is why they have been up and down all season. They are now getting better and playing well together. Shaq and Lonzo are both healthy and are domesticating the wallace boys right now. Because Shaq is playing well, the focus is a bit off of him. That's my whole fucking point. Wade had to jack up every fucking shot against Howard who I am not even sure defended him the whole game because the rest his team couldn't do shit. I wonder why. Injuries. Yes it's legit. They closed out a very good bulls quickly. Wade will have off night of course, but his imprint will be all over that potential series. Points, assists, rebounds, whatever.

I agree completely with your point here.

All I said in the first place was that Howard is capable of slowing down Wade from time to time. That's ALL I said. My argument for the Mavs over the heat has absolutely nothing to do with some contingent that Howard will "dominate" Wade.

Like I said before, Dirk, Wade, and Shaq will all be monsters. The difference comes from the fact that Dallas's other players are MUCH better than Miami's other players.

[DubMcDub]

Agreed, except Marion is such an overrated defender. Great weak side blocker, not a great man-on-man defender. Bowen is amazing at that, and that's why the stats don't show it. On paper, Marion seems as good or better, but it's because his stats are bloated like Ben Wallace's. Weak side blocks and interceptions.

But you are definitely right about our periferals being much better, because they are.

Marion is overrated. But Posey's no better. He's not "overrated" because nobody really talks about Posey's defensive abilities. He's not bad, though.

[Drbio]

why are fucking mav fags hanging out on a Spurs board to talk about the Mavs/Suns series? how absurd
When I was invited to this site by some very classy Spurs fans I was told it was a site that welcomed all. I guess you would rather have spursreport where any poster Spurs fan or not who says something critical of the team or doesn't praise the team is summarily banned. That is unfortunate. Please don't be offended as I dismiss that as garbage.

[Wu banga]

Sigh. I love it when people call other people "fucking stupid" as they have absolutely no idea what they're talking about:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore?gid=2005112514 Wade 7/19 for 23 pts

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore?gid=2006020906 Wade 6/13 for 16 points.

Guess who defended Wade in both those games. Tell me more about how stupid I am, though. :rolleyes

Sorry to say this but you got to give some credit to griffin credit for 1 of those games. Griffin was on him all game for one of those, josh never gaurded him. I remember us starting threads on if griffin was are best defender back on our website.

But the point is we can slow him down with griffin, howard and daniels.

[Sii]

Bitter?

no but I dont see the point

isnt there some gay MAvs forum like MavsTalk for you to post in...you need a game comments on a Spurs board? Mav fans can go fuck themselves with an aids infected dildo for all I care. They still act like tools for a team thats never won shit

[DubMcDub]

Sorry to say this but you got to give some credit to griffin credit for 1 of those games. Griffin was on him all game for one of those, josh never gaurded him. I remember us starting threads on if griffin was are best defender back on our website.

But the point is we can slow him down with griffin, howard and daniels.

You're absolutely right and I apologize for the error.

[Spurologist]

The difference comes from the fact that Dallas's other players are MUCH better than Miami's other players.

The mavs have ZERO championship experience. That will be a factor. You don't want players choking in the finals. I'm not sure if I would be confident with players like Harris/Stack/Horn in crunch time.

[DubMcDub]

The mavs have ZERO championship experience. That will be a factor. You don't want players choking in the finals. I'm not sure if I would be confident with players like Harris/Stack/Horn in crunch time.

Who on the Heat besides Shaq has "championship experience"? I guess you could make a case for Payton. He's never won one but he's definitely a seasoned verteran. Who else? Am I missing someone?

You've gotta start somewhere, in any case. The Lakers had 10x the championship mojo of the Pistons in 2004 didn't they? Now the Pistons themselves are considered a big time "championship tested team."

I agree that the experience can play a big part, but I would still take our bench and role players over guys like Jason Williams and Walker (even though neither of them are bench players) any day.

[Wu banga]

The mavs have ZERO championship experience. That will be a factor. You don't want players choking in the finals. I'm not sure if I would be confident with players like Harris/Stack/Horn in crunch time.

I didn't seem so much of a factor when the pistons alomst swept the lakers a couple years ago. The lakers had malone payton george kobe shaq fisher and a couple of other guys with championship expirence, it didn't do them much good.

And the back then the pistons had none. At least our coach has some finals expirence.

[Nashfan]

Marion pulled a casper in this game instead of Barbosa this time. All around poor game from the team in terms of hustle. We were up eleven right before half time and let them get within five points. Came out in the third quarter flat as could be. Seems like since Raja got hurt we have no fire or heart. Frustrating game all around. Thanks for the support anyway. Hope we can come back strong in the next game. Need to play our game not theirs, too much half court and not enough running. :depressed

[Spurologist]

Who on the Heat besides Shaq has "championship experience"? I guess you could make a case for Payton. He's never won one but he's definitely a seasoned verteran. Who else? Am I missing someone?

You've gotta start somewhere, in any case. The Lakers had 10x the championship mojo of the Pistons in 2004 didn't they? Now the Pistons themselves are considered a big time "championship tested team."

I agree that the experience can play a big part, but I would still take our bench and role players over guys like Jason Williams and Walker (even though neither of them are bench players) any day.

Better talent on the bench? Obviously. That will balance out with the experience of the playing in the finals by the heat. The heat have players the can get them prepared off and on the court like no coach can (Avery is your sole champ experience). Talent won't matter in that series. It will be about desire. It would be a nice final and David Stern :jack

[MissAllThat]

At least our coach has some finals expirence.

Please tell me this comment is a joke. You have at least heard of Pat Riley haven't you?

[DubMcDub]

Better talent on the bench? Obviously. That will balance out with the experience of the playing in the finals by the heat. The heat have players the can get them prepared off and on the court like no coach can (Avery is your sole champ experience). Talent won't matter in that series. It will be about desire. It would be a nice final and David Stern :jack

And you've yet to answer my question of who on the Heat has played in the finals besides Shaq and Payton sort of.

[Son of Mavs Man]

no but I dont see the point

isnt there some gay MAvs forum like MavsTalk for you to post in...you need a game comments on a Spurs board? Mav fans can go fuck themselves with an aids infected dildo for all I care. They still act like tools for a team thats never won shit

I too was invited here by a Spurs fan who said it was a great place to talk about basketball (which I still think it is). Some of you guys like to throw out stuff like this guy did and it is just so obviously bitter. Do most of the Spurs fans on SpursTalk think this way? I know there are dipshits on both sides, and there always will be. Just wondering if you guys think this dumbass represents the majority.

[Spurologist]

I didn't seem so much of a factor when the pistons alomst swept the lakers a couple years ago. The lakers had malone payton george kobe shaq fisher and a couple of other guys with championship expirence, it didn't do them much good.

And the back then the pistons had none. At least our coach has some finals expirence.



Better talent on the bench? Obviously. That will balance out with the experience of the playing in the finals by the heat. The heat have players the can get them prepared off and on the court like no coach can (Avery is your sole champ experience). Talent won't matter in that series. It will be about desire. It would be a nice final and David Stern :jack

That's what won the title for them

[Spurologist]

And you've yet to answer my question of who on the Heat has played in the finals besides Shaq and Payton sort of.

Why are you being an ass-clown. It's still two more than Dallas as far as players are concerned.

[DubMcDub]

Why are you being an ass-clown. It's still two more than Dallas as far as players are concerned.

I'm not. It was a serious question.

But I also think you're nuts if you think 2 guys who have played in the Finals (one of which hasn't even won one) is enough to make up for the pretty massive disparity in talent between our "2nd tier" players and theirs.

Not to mention you never responded to the counter-argument that the Pistons somehow managed to beat the 2004 Lakers in 5 games despite the Lakers 3 titles in the past 4 years and slew of "championship experience."

You can talk about desire all you want and I agree. But experience does not equal desire. The 2004 Pistons proved that.

[Shank]

This thread is hilarious. The bitterness of Spurs fan still lingers and is just as delicious as the day the Mavs sent those whining bitches packing.

Talking about the ball not hitting the rim on that Dirk shot? Wasn't there a similar call in the Spurs-Mavs series where Frenchman threw one up that didn't hit rim and SA got the ball back? Besides, it's not as though that one play decided the game for the Suns. They're slowing leaking any gas they have left. No depth and tired legs = fishing time.

[Spurologist]

I'm not. It was a serious question.

But I also think you're nuts if you think 2 guys who have played in the Finals (one of which hasn't even won one) is enough to make up for the pretty massive disparity in talent between our "2nd tier" players and theirs.

Not to mention you never responded to the counter-argument that the Pistons somehow managed to beat the 2004 Lakers in 5 games despite the Lakers 3 titles in the past 4 years and slew of "championship experience."

You can talk about desire all you want and I agree. But experience does not equal desire. The 2004 Pistons proved that.

Since when did I say experience equals desire. I stated in the mavs - heat series it will come down to desire because talent = experience in that series. Devin who has played great is not a magic johnson type persona that can ignore the pressure of the finals. Stackhouse has been known to choke games away when he was the focal point of the offense. Van Horn is the same. Do you notice that all your bench is used that scoring mentality. They want to score first. That's why the mavs assists total are so low. 95% of mavs plays are isolations, back downs, pull up jumpers. i.e Dirk, Stack, Terrty. They haven't taken in the duty to be role players like so many of the heat players have.

Even Walter was once the focal point of the offense but he doesn't mind distributing or doing what is right for the team. Same with Posey, J-will and others. They know that they have to play off of Wade and Shaq for them to succeed. I don't think the mavs understand that yet. The mavs have very young guys will a lot of talent but it's the abuse of talent that you should be concerned about. That is what will make this series all about desire, want, passion, heart - WHO WANTS IT MORE?

[BigD1]

Showed a replay of that bitch Terry continuing his dirty play throwing an elbow to Nash's forehead and cutting him. Parker was right, the guy is a cheap shot artist. Somebody needs to lay that fucker out.no more or less than Bowen(kicking people in the back) or Horry(biting people's ear) ala Mike Tyson. Quit hatin' cause the Mavs ended your run.

[BigD1]

Dirk bumps Nash on the drive and no call. Duncan made the same bumps and got called everytime.u mean like the 3 hard bumps Bowen put on Dirk at the end of game 1. besides no one complained...not even Nash. Haters!!

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

no more or less than Bowen(kicking people in the back) or Horry(biting people's ear) ala Mike Tyson. Quit hatin' cause the Mavs ended your run.

Actually we just hate them and you because it's fun to watch you get your panties in a bunch.

Just like Dirk, you're a walking vagina.

[Spurologist]

Actually we just hate them and you because you're all a bunch of fudgepackers.

:lol I'll agree with that.

[BigD1]

Did Dirk just catch the ball, do a hop step and dribble the ball again. What a Move. Did Duncan push off to get every freakin rebound in that Dallas series? What a move by Duncan! gotta get him next season.



By this guy:

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/6/web/450000-450999/450865_14_full.jpg

[adrienne]

Can't we all just get along, Mavs fans and Spurs fans and....other fans, alike? :lol

Some of these threads are getting touchy and bitter.

[Spurologist]

BigD1, are you fucking retarded. If you are going to edit someone's post you make as well make sense. Why would I want to get Duncan when he's already with the spurs, num-nuts.

[spurs=bling]

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NOT A CHANCE IN HELL!!!!!!!!!

[Spurologist]

I'll give peace a chance when Mark Cuban gets gang raped by gorillas. That will be the peace agreement. Send it over to Cubie.

[spurs=bling]

I'll give peace a chance when Mark Cuban gets gang raped by gorillas. That will be the peace agreement. Send it over to Cubie.
:lol

[BigD1]

Mavs win game 3*.

* did not hit rim.

The officiating has sucked ass all the way around. East, west, fucking joke.Dallas was still up by 6, and the momentum had already quickly shifted back to Dallas after Thomas got his pass deflected. PHX grabbed no rebounds at the end and Dallas held them to under 90...not just under 100. Fuckin Incredible. Dallas is clearly catching on to PHX's tempo. This series was over right before halftime. Quit blaminng the officials. PHX is 0-7 this entire series when they score under a 100. No way do they win this game tonight. Even Marv,Steve Kerr and the entire TNT crew said that call was totally irrelevent to the outcome of the game. Quit hatin'.

[BigD1]

Javie also blew two out of bounds call that should have been off Dallas in this game. Is Cuban blowing him this playoffs?aaaghh!! still bitter from that Dallas victory.
Always remember this...if Terry plays game 6...the series is over in 6.

[Spurologist]

Dallas was still up by 6, and the momentum had already quickly shifted back to Dallas after Thomas got his pass deflected. PHX grabbed no rebounds at the end and Dallas held them to under 90...not just under 100. Fuckin Incredible. Dallas is clearly catching on to PHX's tempo. This series was over right before halftime. Quit blaminng the officials. PHX is 0-7 this entire series when they score under a 100. No way do they win this game tonight. Even Marv,Steve Kerr and the entire TNT crew said that call was totally irrelevent to the outcome of the game. Quit hatin'.

Let me refresh your memory. The suns won a very close game in game 1 because Dallas for one choked and the suns made plays. Is Javie fucked up in game 1 like he did tonight, mavs win. Who knows what would have happened if the Javie had stuck the whistle where it properly belongs: up his ass.

[BigD1]

Is Jason Terry retarded? That is a serious question. I don't think developing a face deformity during a game normal.no more or less than Duncan with that endless "what did I do" expression with his palms up and his eyes practically hanging by his veins.

[BigD1]

A controversial call going the Mavs way in a playoff game? I'm shocked, really...you guys got about 20 controversial calls in game 7 that literally kept u in it and u still couldn't pull it off. now that is shocking!

[Spurologist]

no more or less than Duncan with that endless "what did I do" expression with his palms up and his eyes practically hanging by his veins.

:lol Are you making my arguement for me. Check out your new logo. It is directly due to it. Didn't you catch Dirk whining like a little bitch when Thomas blocked his shot. He was literally hoping up and down like a little girl who just had her ice cream stolen.

For logo, click here. http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/6/web/450000-450999/450865_14_full.jpg

[BigD1]

How do you fuck up a routine nba call. Shot clock violation happen every game. Fucking useless to have a brain fart in that situation. Man up Javie. If you saw it hit rim stick to your fucking decision. If it did, call it. Stick to your call, moron. Fucking pathetic.Chill out...Dallas wins that game with or withot the call.

[Shank]

Majoring in "Spurology" must include a minor in basketball ignorance and conspiracy theories 101. You seriously need to get over it and shut the fuck up.

Only losers blame the refs for things their team can't accomplish on the court.

[BigD1]

All Dallas did on defense was grab Duncan, so of course the Spurs shot a lot of FTs...From what I saw, all Dallas' big men did was simply hold their ground and keep their hands up(most of the time)...yet Duncan got the call everytime. Unbelievable. u can't even breath on Duncan. Not to mention, the guy always pushes off to get a rebound and the refs NEVER call that shit. Anyway...should've, could've, would've.

[Spurologist]

Majoring in "Spurology" must include a minor in basketball ignorance and conspiracy theories 101. You seriously need to get over it and shut the fuck up.

Only losers blame the refs for things their team can't accomplish on the court.

If you read my posts during the game blog and after the game, I said it came down to game 7 and mavs made their shots. I gave them credit and I even said critisized others for getting on the refs.

I am bringing it back up because it always seems that the mavs get the benefit of the whistle at imoportune times. The picture was a joke and I was playing off of it. Dallas is clearly better but I would liked to have seen the Javie make the correct call on the shot clock violation. It's a routine call that happens in every game. You can't miss that call.

[ponky]

Majoring in "Spurology" must include a minor in basketball ignorance and conspiracy theories 101. You seriously need to get over it and shut the fuck up.

Only losers blame the refs for things their team can't accomplish on the court.

Haha, I'm with you. I just couldn't resiste getting on this board tonight to view the whining Spurs fans. Of course, not all Spurs fans are ref whiners but the few who are provide great entertainment!

[Kori Ellis]

Okay to get back to the original topic instead of all the lame bitching ....


I didn't watch the game (because I'm sick and was asleep) so someone give me a fair rundown of what happened. Did the Suns just suck offensively or Dallas played good D? Who guarded Marion? What was the little scuffle about? And Suns fans, why is D'Antoni only going 7 deep? (I know they have injuries, but 7 is still light)

[BigD1]

Mavs would have the advantage because nobody on the Heat can slow down Dirk, whereas Howard is feasibly capable of at least holding Wade to 20 or so points every now and again.

Shaq, nobody can stop him. You just have to hope he gets into foul trouble or has a day where he can't get good lift.I'm not too worried about Shaq. He isn't going to dominate the paint and put all our men in foul trouble any better than what Duncan did. No way does Shaq(big man) have a better series than Duncan. In fact I think Damp and Diop will find it a little easier guarding Shaq. He is not as crafty or fundamental as Duncan and he is not the same dominant force on a consistent basis. On the other hand, who guards Dirk...Haslem...Posey. Dirk has already played against the best perimeter defensive player in the playoffs(Bowen) and is currently burning another top 5 in Marion. The dude is unstoppable. They're gonna have to double team him...and when they do..well u guys know what happens next. Wade will get his points, but Howard and Harris can contain him somwhat. After that, there's no on to worry about.

[ChumpDumper]

why is D'Antoni only going 7 deep?He took on Pop as a consultant....

[BigD1]

Good because you missed another fuck up special by Javie
hardly a "fuck up" if it is completely irrelevent to the outcome of the game. "fuck up" is letting Stackhouse grab like 3 consecutive rebounds in the final 45 secs.

[windboy226]

If you read my posts during the game blog and after the game, I said it came down to game 7 and mavs made their shots. I gave them credit and I even said critisized others for getting on the refs.

I am bringing it back up because it always seems that the mavs get the benefit of the whistle at imoportune times. The picture was a joke and I was playing off of it. Dallas is clearly better but I would liked to have seen the Javie make the correct call on the shot clock violation. It's a routine call that happens in every game. You can't miss that call.

He did make the right call...and you're right he should have just stuck to it.. I'm not a Mavs homer and I'll admit when things go in favor for the Mavs(like the call on Duncan where Dirk stepped on his foot) but I am absolutely positively certain that the ball grazed the rim on that play. If any of you have TIVOs(and for some reason TIVOed the game:)) slow-mo the replay from the side and you'll see it grazed the rim. On the Van Horn up and down no call I am much less certain :lol God, I cringe in fear everytime I see him in the game.

[BigD1]

You're fucking stupid if you think Josh Howard is going to even slow down D.Wade. Howard will be in foul trouble the whole series and wade will get 20 points from the foul line.maybe D.Wade does get his 25-30 pts. But who stops Dirk,Howard,Terry, Harris, Stack, KVH(when he's wide open). Too much to touch. Even Daniels can get 8-10 pts in limited minutes.

[SpursInvasion]

Fuck the Mavs. All of sudden they think they are destined for greatness. Fuck them.

[ponky]

He did make the right call...and you're right he should have just stuck to it.. I'm not a Mavs homer and I'll admit when things go in favor for the Mavs(like the call on Duncan where Dirk stepped on his foot) but I am absolutely positively certain that the ball grazed the rim on that play. If any of you have TIVOs(and for some reason TIVOed the game:)) slow-mo the replay from the side and you'll see it grazed the rim.

I did the slo-mo at least 10X with Tivo (it's the only way i watch games) and it looked to me like it just barely grazed the side which is why it bounced off and didn't come off straight. I have a 42" HD plasma so it's pretty clear but I wish someone would show it from the top angle rather than straight on or left.

[BigD1]

because the regular season is the same as the playoffs, much less the finals :rolleyes Detroit, which is the far better defensive team can't stop wade how does dallas?

holy shit i just realized one of those games was from nov. before riley and Shaq was still injured. :rolleyes Are you serious? Honestly it's a good match up because the heat's bench is as good or better then dallas', so it comes down to individual match up and dallas doesn't have an answer for shaq or wade while posey and walker can guard dirk.bench better than Dallas? please. other than Mourning, they have no one off the bench that compares to what the Mavs can offer. Mavs starting 5 is better and the bench is better. I'm not worried about 50 yr old Payton, or "20% 3- pt shootin', let's chuck em up all day, cause I'm stupid Walker or 50 yr old Tony Delk.

[BigD1]

Wade averaged 27.2 points a game in the regular season. He's averaging 26.9 points a game in the playoffs.

He averaged 6.7 assists per game in the regular season, he's averaging 7 a game in the playoffs.

You guys are making it way too easy. To save yourselves some time, maybe you should actually look up the numbers before throwing out nonsense that's going to be immediately knocked down with facts.
and to add to that...look at who they played in those 1st 2 series. Chicago and Jersey have got to be the some of the weaskest defensive teams in this year's playoffs. His ppg and apg should have gone up considerably.

[ponky]

Okay to get back to the original topic instead of all the lame bitching ....


I didn't watch the game (because I'm sick and was asleep) so someone give me a fair rundown of what happened. Did the Suns just suck offensively or Dallas played good D? Who guarded Marion? What was the little scuffle about? And Suns fans, why is D'Antoni only going 7 deep? (I know they have injuries, but 7 is still light)

Nash took more shots this time around and while it looked like Barbosa was going to play better, he didn't. Everytime he made a shot and got his confidence he tried to make another one that was either blocked or didn't go in and was rebounded by the Mavs. The game was close most of the way until JHo and Dirk stepped it up in the second half. The scuffle was silly. Tim Thomas and Dirk got into it on the other end of the floor, guess Dirk thought he was fouled. Thomas got fouled hard by JHo on the next possession, they called a flagrant 1. Thomas, when he walked up to shoot the FTs, purposely walked in-between where four Mavs players where standing, bumping Terry from behind. Terry shoved him, another technical called. Not a big deal. Suns always have a short rotation, they did last year and it worked so I guess D'Antoni figures he can do it again with success.

[Spurologist]

I didn't watch the game (because I'm sick and was asleep) so someone give me a fair rundown of what happened.

Sorry about the illness. Fair rundown? A millions versions can be found here.


Did the Suns just suck offensively or Dallas played good D?

It was a typical suns game. When they played well they led the game especially in the first half. They ran up and down and hit some outside shots, but they never had their fast pace going. Diaw was especially effective. They missed Raja's scoring but more importantly Marion was almost a non factor. He had a monster game rebounding but he missed a lot of close shots. He didn't really attack the basket like he did the previous games. I don't even think he had one dunk to give him confidence. Nash "only" having 7 dimes is partly due to this. I don't think one of them was to Marion.

In the third, Dallas stepped up the D and started scoring at will almost. Their D was effective. The suns missed shots and made some careless turnovers. This is the quarter where Terry/Howard when off offensively. With all the that aggressiveness from Dallas, Nash kept the suns afloat with tough shots. The fourth was more like the third. The shots that Diaw was making early weren't falling. Diop was a little more agressive on him and I think that made him settle for outside jumpers.

There was a clear bone head call down the stretch. I don't remember what the score was. The clock was running down and Dirk took a fall away shot. I ball clearly didn't hit rim by various replays but the ref let the play go on thinking it didn't hit rim. Javie later apologized for the call saying, "It will my fault" Mavs got the offensive rebound and I think they scored. They must have had like 3 straight offensive rebounds on that possesion. Rebouding + suns turnovers + lack of shooting sealed the suns' fate at the end.


Who guarded Marion?

Nobody in particular. Not many plays were run for him. Except for a nice turn around shot in the post over Terry in the post, all of his points were either off rebouding or in transition. His mainly stood like a statue of offense or shot a contested shot all night. It was Nash and Diaw all night in the set offense on pick and rolls.

[ChumpDumper]

Chicago and Jersey have got to be the some of the weaskest defensive teams in this year's playoffs.Yeah! and he's only averaging 31 against the Pistons!

Worst D in the league!

[Spurologist]

hardly a "fuck up" if it is completely irrelevent to the outcome of the game. "fuck up" is letting Stackhouse grab like 3 consecutive rebounds in the final 45 secs.

The definition of fuck up is: A failure, someone who really messes up. Got it. It has nothing to do with outcome of games. Javie messed up on that play and thus it is considered a fuck up. Got it.

[BigD1]

Fuck the Mavs. All of sudden they think they are destined for greatness. Fuck them.hate...hate...hate...hate...hate!!!
no one is saying anything about destiny or greatness. just rebutting every ludricrous comment made by Spur's fans. Not all fans I might add. Just the haters who refuse to think rationally or objectively. like "refs blew another game" or "refs blew the SA series" or "Terry is a little dirty playing bitch" and on and on and on!!! Get over it!

[BigD1]

why are fucking mav fags hanging out on a Spurs board to talk about the Mavs/Suns series? how absurdwhy are fuckin Spurs fans feeding fuel to the fire. This thread is hot because of guys like u. Thanks TimDuncanManu! now that is laughably absurd.

[MissAllThat]

For Kori:

The Suns offense wasn't really on today. They started off pretty horribly, and had a nice stint in the 2nd quarter for a few minutes, but then it went away. They finished the game shooting awfully and couldn't get a rebound on D to save their lives. Then the one time they did play D and caused the Mavs to run out the shot clock, the refs let Dallas keep the ball. Had Phoenix gotten the ball righ then they might have been able to tie up the game before it ended, but with the way they were shooting at that point, they probably would have lost anyway.

[Kori Ellis]

Thanks.

Now everyone can go back to whining and bitching about the refs or whatever other garbage was being discussed. :lol

[BigD1]

Howard slow him down. Congrats for that. You seem to have ignored my other arguement concerning injuries. This is why they have been up and down all season. They are now getting better and playing well together. Shaq and Lonzo are both healthy and are domesticating the wallace boys right now. Because Shaq is playing well, the focus is a bit off of him. That's my whole fucking point. Wade had to jack up every fucking shot against Howard who I am not even sure defended him the whole game because the rest his team couldn't do shit. I wonder why. Injuries. Yes it's legit. They closed out a very good bulls quickly. Wade will have off night of course, but his imprint will be all over that potential series. Points, assists, rebounds, whatever.r u comparing the victory over the Bulls to the victory over the World Champs!??? Dallas by far has accomplished more than the Heat have. not to mention I think Memphis beats Chicago in a 7 game series and Dallas roasted them. Chicago is not that good. Dallas beats those chumps in 4.

[BigD1]

Why are you being an ass-clown. It's still two more than Dallas as far as players are concerned.if you're gonna throw Payton in there, you mind as well throw Darrell Armstron in there. C'mon, experience or no experience, Payton doesn't have the foot speed to hang with Harris or Terry.

[MissAllThat]

Thanks.

Now everyone can go back to whining and bitching about the refs or whatever other garbage was being discussed. :lol

Oh and one more thing, Phoenix REALLY needs Raja Bell to play in the next game and be healthy. I will pray for him now.

[BigD1]

Yeah! and he's only averaging 31 against the Pistons!

Worst D in the league!Yeah! and Detroit has been playing like shit this entire playoffs.

[BigD1]

The definition of fuck up is: A failure, someone who really messes up. Got it. It has nothing to do with outcome of games. Javie messed up on that play and thus it is considered a fuck up. Got it.
"really messing up" IS to effect the outcome of a very crucial game 3 in the Western Conference Finals. not miscalling a play no one could tell one way or the other, until the replay was shown about a hundred times. I'm still not so sure if that ball did indeed hit the rim.

[BigD1]

Thanks.

Now everyone can go back to whining and bitching about the refs or whatever other garbage was being discussed. :lolHey Kori. Bottom line. PHX was held to 88 pts. and they couldn't grab a rebound late in the game if their lives depended on it. U win by the 3 and u die by the 3. They're slowly but surley dying now.

[Horry For 3!]

Good because you missed another fuck up special by Javie
I was talking about Game 2 but yeah I saw some of Game 3, a little bit in the 4th and yeah I saw Javie fuck up.

[pking]

Fuck the Mavs. All of sudden they think they are destined for greatness. Fuck them.

What gives you that impression? I'm not trying to be smart-assy here :lol I'm just curious.

I understand people bitching about their fans acting like they've accomplished something -- Although not all of us feel that way -- but the team, to me, doesn't act like they're high and mighty. In fact, they constantly say that they haven't done shit yet and they have bigger goals than winning these beginning series.

[pking]

That ball didn't hit the rim but acting like that call would've definently changed the outcome is pretty dumb. Could have -- no doubt. But it's not like that no-call lost the game for the Suns.

[MissAllThat]

yeah I saw some of Game 3, a little bit in the 4th and yeah I saw Javie fuck up.

A blind man could see Javie fuck up...unless of course that blind man happened to be a Mavs fan.

[ponky]

A blind man could see Javie fuck up...unless of course that blind man happened to be a Mavs fan.

One fuck up doesn't assure a Suns win...how many points were they down by before that possession and how many points did they score after that possession? Better yet, how many points total did they score after the technical on Terry and Thomas? Remember, Javie called game 7 during the Mavs/Spurs series, I didn't see a lot of Javie whining from the Spurs in that game...in fact, that was a gift-wrapped game to the Spurs from the refs but your team couldn't capitalize. It's ridiculous how some viewers get hung up on one frickin' call in a game and ignore the rest of the game and the reasons that the Suns lost cause let me tell you, everyone knows the loss wasn't due to that one call.

[windboy226]

A blind man could see Javie fuck up...unless of course that blind man happened to be a Mavs fan.

Hey, I'll admit whenever the Mavs get a call their way but as far as tonight's game he made the right call.

[MissAllThat]

One fuck up doesn't assure a Suns win...how many points were they down by before that possession and how many points did they score after that possession? Better yet, how many points total did they score after the technical on Terry and Thomas? Remember, Javie called game 7 during the Mavs/Spurs series, I didn't see a lot of Javie whining from the Spurs in that game...in fact, that was a gift-wrapped game to the Spurs from the refs but your team couldn't capitalize. It's ridiculous how some viewers get hung up on one frickin' call in a game and ignore the rest of the game and the reasons that the Suns lost cause let me tell you, everyone knows the loss wasn't due to that one call.

Did I say that call was the one and only reason the Suns lost? No, in fact, I'm pretty sure I said that it probably didn't matter because they couldn't make a basket or grab a rebound to save their lives. I don't really think it was the only bad call in the game or even a huge turning point. I saw lots of bad calls in the game. This series (in fact the whole playoffs) is making me want to barf because of the officiating. Its almost worse than the refs we saw bail out the Lakers for so many years. And please don't even get me started on Javie in game 7. I don't even want to go there. If there wasnt much complaining about him on this board during/after that game then perhaps it was because Bavetta was there. Personally, I hate Javie more, but I'm not a fan of Bavetta's either. They both need to go jump off a cliff IMO.

[Pandaemonaeon]

haha I had an argument with my Suns fan friend during the game and it went like this...

Me: Where's the 24-second violation?
Friend: I think it grazed the rim.
Me: No it didn't. We got a break on that one!
Friend: [sees replay] See? The ball bounces off the board and hits the side by a hair.

Very surreal. I think KVH got away with a travel as well although it might have been tipped by a Sun. But no matter what happens: Dallas deserved to win this. They controlled the tempo, made shots, hustled their asses off and played defense while Phoenix didn't play with a sense of urgency.

[mabber]

Boris Diaw for Rasho straight up. The money matches and the suns needs a slow big man to run their offense.

Yeah the suns would do that. :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

[Spurologist]

"really messing up" IS to effect the outcome of a very crucial game 3 in the Western Conference Finals. not miscalling a play no one could tell one way or the other, until the replay was shown about a hundred times. I'm still not so sure if that ball did indeed hit the rim.

Get yourself a dictionary.

This is the princeton definition

botch: make a mess of, destroy or ruin; "I botched the dinner and we had to eat out"; "the pianist screwed up the difficult passage in the second movement" That is a fuck up. Plain and simple.

Is that clear enough.

Please. You blind. With today's technology of 100 angles, you head would have to be stuck up your ass if you didn't see the ball miss rim.

[Spurologist]

if you're gonna throw Payton in there, you mind as well throw Darrell Armstron in there. C'mon, experience or no experience, Payton doesn't have the foot speed to hang with Harris or Terry.

Darrel armstrong is a nobody in the league right now. He has lost a step and the quickness that once defined his game is slow dteriorating. TP blew by him time and time again. I was surprised Avery kept him in there.

Payton has been in the finals. He knows how hard it is to get there and has been through all the pre-game, during, and after game preparations. That is different from a rookie making a finals debut. The nba games is very emotional and psychological. His shot gets tight and his start doubting himself. He found that out in a GAME 7 in San Antonio. In the finals, the pressure will only be TEN TIMES greater. Experience matters my friend.

[Holmes_Fans]

I'm having deja vu. I could of sworn that the spurs had the exact same non shotclock violation call go there way during round 2.

[1Parker1]

I can't believe a MAVS FAN is still complaining about calls in a series they WON. :lol

[LEONARD]

LMAO!!!! :lol

To the few bitter Spurs fans here, you have NO IDEA how great your replies are to Mavs fans. It brings such joy to our hearts to see some of you still whine about officiating, wish AIDS on Mark Cuban, etc etc...too freakin' funny!!

If anything, some of you are keeping them here by complaining about them being here...keep it up betweens casts... :lol :lol :lol