Crossroads: Beno Udrih

[SPARKY]

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Beno Udrih | 14
Position: G
Born: Jul 5, 1982
Height: 6-3 / 1,91
Weight: 200 lbs. / 90,7 kg.
From : Slovenia

Info (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/beno_udrih/index.html?nav=page)

After a promising rookie season it's been downhill for Boy Beno since the end of the 3rd quarter in Game 4 of the '05 Finals. Pop seems to have lost any confidence he ever had in Udrih's game. Ideally, Beno finds himself this summer and takes that backup point spot for good next season. The Spurs would be better off focusing their offseason efforts at other spots. But the question mark remains on his game. Is it time to give up on him?

[superfedja]

yes we should give up on him ... he's not athletic enough to play in the NBA and we might get something decent in return

[SPARKY]

Problem is, who is your backup point? NVE is retired.

[exstatic]

I think Pop already ruined his confidence.

[SPARKY]

Pop's ridden young players before. Pop's pulled guys before in the postseason (TP in '03, for example). All they need is 15 minutes a night from Beno. Nothing more, nothing less.

[sprrs]

If we can get Speedy, I wouldn't mind getting rid of Beno. Otherwise, we definitely need a back-up PG, which Beno can do for a few minutes a night.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

3rd string.

If he's anything higher than that, we're in a bad spot. He doesn't bring anything defensively to the table, and he gets intimidated on offense. Get rid of him, or keep him cheap at 3rd string. Fucking pansy.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

If we can get Speedy, I wouldn't mind getting rid of Beno. Otherwise, we definitely need a back-up PG, which Beno can do for a few minutes a night.

Bless.

If Speedy comes back, we're set.

[SequSpur]

Beno sucks.

[SPARKY]

If the Spurs went with Udrih as their backup point next season then that would simplify things this summer. The MLE would be freed up to go after the ever elusive long 3 or Scola and the LLE could go to Javtokas.

[V-2]

Javtokas is a scrub. Udrih is a cheap 3rd string PG, Spurs need a better backup PG.

[SPARKY]

Spurs seem to think otherwise in re Javtokas.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

If the Spurs went with Udrih as their backup point next season then that would simplify things this summer. The MLE would be freed up to go after the ever elusive long 3 or Scola and the LLE could go to Javtokas.

I'm starting to think a backup PG (read: Speedy) would be a better investment.

[SPARKY]

Then your MLE is gone and you've done nothing to address the 3 spot.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

Then your MLE is gone and you've done nothing to address the 3 spot.

But is the 3 spot that big of a concern?

I think backup PG is a spot we NEED to sure up...if TP keeps choking at this rate.

[SPARKY]

Name the small forwards on the Spurs' roster.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

Name the small forwards on the Spurs' roster.

Guys who can guard that position...

+Manu
+Bowen
+Finley
+Horry
+Barry (ok maybe not GUARD)

Those are the few that come to mind.




Ok now your turn. Name the backup PG's that don't suck. :D

[TDMVPDPOY]

i think benos soul was sold in bone thugs n harmony - crossroads....

[SPARKY]

Guys who can guard that position...

+Manu
+Bowen
+Finley
+Horry
+Barry (ok maybe not GUARD)

Those are the few that come to mind.




Ok now your turn. Name the backup PG's that don't suck. :D


Other than Bowen they don't really have anyone, especially a young guy ready to take over. They also have no size whatsoever at that spot. I also don't care how well Bowen maintains his conditioning, he's 35 this summer.

[ManuTim_best of Fwiendz]

The only upside to Beno is his youth.

He has shown nothing for us to keep him.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

Other than Bowen they don't really have anyone, especially a young guy ready to take over. They also have no size whatsoever at that spot. I also don't care how well Bowen maintains his conditioning, he's 35 this summer.

That's true. But I think we have a good 2-3 seasons left from Bowen.

Remember how much we're paying him, little to nothing. We need a solid backup PG (which might cost a bit) and we can worry about replacing Bowen later.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

The only upside to Beno is his youth.

He has shown nothing for us to keep him.

I'm 21.

I'll be sure to email the Spurs. I'm right-handed though. =(

[ploto]

The problem for the Spurs back-up point guard will always be that this person plays such few minutes. No one wants to come here and play 10 mintes a night except an old veteran who has done his time and wants to win a championship. A young player wants to get onto the court and get some experiece. Also, the Spurs will not justify spending Speedy-type money on a guy who plays so few minutes. I have proposed all along the use of Brent as the back-up point guard and he does double-duty as the fourth swing man, in case Manu or someone else gets hurt or there is foul trouble. You "justify" his salary because he fills two needs with one player.

I adore Beno but for his development it might be better for him to go elsewhere where he will get onto the court. The guy is the best passer on the team and really knows how to run an offense, given the opportunity. One season as the third string point guard was OK, but if the Spurs are not going to play him this year, they need to trade him somewhere where he can get some playing time.

[SPARKY]

The problem for Beno is not running an offense it is playing in pressure situations.

[TDMVPDPOY]

brent barry can do the job

[SPARKY]

Sure he can. In New Orleans, Okie City or wherever.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

The problem for the Spurs back-up point guard will always be that this person plays such few minutes. No one wants to come here and play 10 mintes a night except an old veteran who has done his time and wants to win a championship. A young player wants to get onto the court and get some experiece. Also, the Spurs will not justify spending Speedy-type money on a guy who plays so few minutes. I have proposed all along the use of Brent as the back-up point guard and he does double-duty as the fourth swing man, in case Manu or someone else gets hurt or there is foul trouble. You "justify" his salary because he fills two needs with one player.

I adore Beno but for his development it might be better for him to go elsewhere where he will get onto the court. The guy is the best passer on the team and really knows how to run an offense, given the opportunity. One season as the third string point guard was OK, but if the Spurs are not going to play him this year, they need to trade him somewhere where he can get some playing time.

I think one guy who would be happy with those minutes is Pargo (from the Bulls).

He's getting no minutes right now behind Duhon and Heinrich...and he brings much to the table defensively. If you saw him in the playoffs last year, you know he's not too shabby on the offensive side either. He can hit the open the 3's, and he's not afraid to take big shots.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

The problem for the Spurs back-up point guard will always be that this person plays such few minutes. No one wants to come here and play 10 mintes a night except an old veteran who has done his time and wants to win a championship. A young player wants to get onto the court and get some experiece. Also, the Spurs will not justify spending Speedy-type money on a guy who plays so few minutes. I have proposed all along the use of Brent as the back-up point guard and he does double-duty as the fourth swing man, in case Manu or someone else gets hurt or there is foul trouble. You "justify" his salary because he fills two needs with one player.

I adore Beno but for his development it might be better for him to go elsewhere where he will get onto the court. The guy is the best passer on the team and really knows how to run an offense, given the opportunity. One season as the third string point guard was OK, but if the Spurs are not going to play him this year, they need to trade him somewhere where he can get some playing time.

Also

Beno is not a bad player. He's just not what the Spurs need. Beno can go to a team like the Pistons, or the Heat, or some other contender and fill in and play ok minutes (ala Arroyo or Gary Payton) but this teams NEEDS a defensive punch off the bench at PG...somebody who can play against guys TP can't, somebody who can step in big when TP is choking. Beno isn't that guy.

[Bruno]

Beno is good enough to be our back up PG for next year.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

Beno is good enough to be our back up PG for next year.

:rolleyes

[ChumpDumper]

I'm sure we'll play Houston in the preseason. If Chuck Hayes owns him again, cut him. Aaron Miles is going to make a better NBA point guard than Beno Udrih.

[angel_luv]

Beno belongs on our roster next year. Tony, even according to Pop, went through the same growing pains and look at Tony now.

Beno is talented and getting better all the time. At the very least, he deserves one more season.

[genghisrex]

Beno is talented and getting better all the time.
Beno still can't dribble the ball up the court. That would be a nice first step in getting better.

[Rescueone]

Beno stinks, I'd rather have JR Smith as the back up.

[Bruno]

Beno rocks.

Keep the No. :)

[SPARKY]

If the Spurs sign one of the top free agent point guards then their MLE will be gone. Otherwise, they will be likely to pull the same quality of point if they offer the minimum that they can sign with, oh, say half of the MLE. I'd rather keep the MLE for the best 3 available and sign a point to a minimum contract.

[ducks]

you know barry can run the pointif they can not trade him he is your vet and you make beno your 3 string
no he is not as fast as tp but if you tell him that and he works on that during trainging camp I think he can give you 10 minutes a night.

[ducks]

Beno belongs on our roster next year. Tony, even according to Pop, went through the same growing pains and look at Tony now.

Beno is talented and getting better all the time. At the very least, he deserves one more season.
this is the nba this is not a church league


he is overweight so I question his work ethic

[ducks]

the point guard postion is going to be hard to fill with only handful out there
and it would free money up for your long three which needs to be addressed. only bad thing with barry would be if tp did miss 10 games. but manu no t his best postion can fill in to.

[angel_luv]

this is the nba this is not a church league


he is overweight so I question his work ethic

"For right now I can say that Beno is a very talented young man. His rookie year he played very well for us, for a rookie. Very well. This year we made the decision to go with Nick's maturity and experience. That was tough for Beno, so I think he deserves an opportunity to come in and see what he can do."

That was not me; the quote is from Coach Pop.

[ploto]

Beno will only get better if he plays. For a young guy in the league with his talent, you need to play him or trade him. Spurs need to decide which they are going to do, and despite quotes from Pop, I think that if they find another vet, Beno will be back on the bench. For the Spurs, he is a great, cheap option at third string point guard, but for him, that just is not conducive to his development as a player.

[angel_luv]

Let Beno play.

[SPARKY]

I don't see any veteran points likely to be acquired for the minimum. At this point, you give Beno his final shot, IMO.

[Texas_Ranger]

He should stay in the team and he needs to get more minutes from Pop

[Slomo]

he is overweight so I question his work ethic???

[SPARKY]

ducks likes his Slovenes thin.

[Slomo]

ducks likes his Slovenes thin.:lol

I actually wanted to know if there was more behind his statement than just personal preferences :).

[ducks]

did not timpv post that spurs wanted him to lose 15 pounds?

[Slomo]

Okay, I've found timvp's post.

Actually it's timvp's opinion that Beno should lose 15 pounds -not the Spurs'.

It surprised me a little since the only reference to his weight in the news that I remembered was D'Antoni's smack talk in the Playoffs last year.

[SPARKY]

It's up to Beno to make this offseason a success for the Spurs.

[spurschick]

There needs to be a mutual committment here. If we're going to see what Beno really has to offer, he needs to be given the minutes. If Pop is still uncertain enough that he brings someone else in to play backup, we should just try and trade Beno. If Pop opts to bring in a third string PG and gives Beno the shot at backup, Beno needs to seriously bring it.

[picnroll]

Does anyone want to go into the season with all the back up the SPurs PG eggs in Beno's basket?

[SPARKY]

Does anyone want to go into the season with all the back up the SPurs PG eggs in Beno's basket?

What's the alternative? Blow the MLE on a point and then hope they can improve the team's other spots with the LLE and minimum contracts?

[picnroll]

Don't know what the alterantive is now but every PG that won't be getting much better than a minimum contract is going to be looking at SA and seeing potential minutes on a high caliber team same. Spurs can probably get near pick of the litter of PGs that are not in the first tier or getting a reasonably substantial contract offer for a lesser offer than what it will take for many other teams to attract those players.

[ducks]

pop sees beno practice I am sure he knws what he can do
he is not 100% sold on him like most spur fans

[SPARKY]

Don't know what the alterantive is now but every PG that won't be getting much better than a minimum contract is going to be looking at SA and seeing potential minutes on a high caliber team same. Spurs can probably get near pick of the litter of PGs that are not in the first tier or getting a reasonably substantial contract offer for a lesser offer than what it will take for many other teams to attract those players.

Who are those guys?

[Bruno]

My scenario for the backup PG spot :
- Give confidence to beno : that what he needs. Pop should say him that he is the backup PG at the start of the season.
- Sign to the min a solid 3rd string PG who can be a solid backup if Beno chokes but who isn't talented enough to threaten Beno's spot.

Some names for the 3rd PG : Vaughn, Pargo, McLeod, Ivey, Hart, Norris, Wilks, Palacio. They are solid ballahndler and good defender.

[Kori Ellis]

My scenario for the backup PG spot :
- Give confidence to beno : that what he needs. Pop should say him that he is the backup PG at the start of the season.
- Sign to the min a solid 3rd string PG who can be a solid backup if Beno chokes but who isn't talented enough to threaten Beno's spot.

Some names for the 3rd PG : Vaughn, Pargo, McLeod, Ivey, Hart, Norris, Wilks, Palacio. They are solid ballahndler and good defender.

I sort of agree to this, but I don't think Pop should tell him that he is the backup PG at the start. He has to earn it in training camp. No Spur is guaranteed a starting spot or a certain amount of minutes. So Pop doesn't need to coddle Beno and tell him that he is assured the backup PG role.

However, I do think that we will be fine if the pickup one of the players that you listed above and have them battle it out with Beno for the backup spot.

I think getting a young, athletic forward and figuring out what to do with the bigs is more pressing than going out and spending a lot of money on a backup PG. However I'm not sure that Pop agrees .. he has said that taking care of the point guard depth is a top priority.

[picnroll]

Who are those guys?

If I knew I'd ask for Buford's or Presti's job.

Take your pick. Go naked with Beno. See what is left availbale for minimum or a little more, maybe LLE. Spend more money than that on a backup PG, money you could use addressing other needs. Hope you can pick up one in a trade say for Barry, rights to Scola, whatever. Those are your options.

You said "What's the alternative? Blow the MLE on a point and then hope they can improve the team's other spots with the LLE and minimum contracts?" so I guess you don't want to go the spend for aback up route.

Does this mean you want to go with Parker and Beno?

Kori I heard two signals from Pop about the priority, 1) geting a backup PG and 2) getting a McKey type player.

[timvp]

The Spurs have holes to fill and not that much money to do so. They may be trapped into praying that Beno can do the job as backup point guard. A trade for a veteran would be nice. I just don't see them using part of the MLE, when getting a long three or a quick four is a much bigger need.

Beno has good natural skill. Now he just needs to get in shape and get tougher. There's no excuse for being the fattest point guard in the league. If Beno can slim down and play with an edge next season, the Spurs are fine.

I want Pargo as a third point guard, though. Also wouldn't mind someone like Andre Barrett or Will Bynum.

[Brodels]

I don't see any veteran points likely to be acquired for the minimum. At this point, you give Beno his final shot, IMO.

I agree. A point guard rotation of Parker, Beno, and vet minimum player would suffice. In a perfect world, the Spurs bring in the best available backup. But there are other needs.

Your swing rotation consists of four small-ish players, and only one isn't well into his 30s. The Spurs got killed here again this season defensively because they didn't have enough size. I also worry about the level of athleticism at the swing positions. A lack of athleticism there has killed the Spurs in past years. Adding a young-ish, athletic small forward with some size needs to be a priority over securing a backup point guard.

There are also problems up front. The Spurs currently have Duncan and Rasho to rely on. Beyond that, everything is uncertain. An athletic big man with some size would give the Spurs some flexibility (use Rasho for defense and against bigger players, use an athletic big against smaller teams), and the team will need to invest some money to make it happen.

To me, the Spurs could have a very successful offseason by simply using their resources (money and trade) to acquire a long-ish, young-ish small forward and an athletic big man. It's going to be tough to get two quality players in who can fill these roles, but I think it could be possible.

The Spurs can again explore trading Barry and can look at the financial ramifications of a sign-and-trade with Nazr if he and another team are interested (maybe not feasible, but certainly worth exploring). I would rather see the team explore these and other possibilities (the rights to Scola, for example) to acquire one of the two needed quality players and use the full MLE on another player.

Fill out the roster with a vet minimum point guard, a player like Javtokas, and maybe another project.

PG - Tony, Beno, vet minimum player
SG/SF - Mike, Bruce, Manu, long-ish three
PF/C - Tim, Oh Boy, Rasho, athletic big, Javtokas

[GoSpurs21]

Problem is, who is your backup point? NVE is retired.you spelt it wrong...it should have been NVE is retarded or plays retarded or retards the offense when he on the court. The biggest problem is that Beno's development was postponed by one year because of the HITA NVE.

People always tend to over react to the Spurs pissing away 3 games. If Beno would have played in all three of those games instead of NVE, the Spurs would have won at least one of those games.

[ata]

Beno has one season left with Spurs and for the season 2007/08 there is team option. When is the deadline for Spurs to use/not-use their option?
What are the rules behind?

[Bruno]

Beno has one season left with Spurs and for the season 2007/08 there is team option. When is the deadline for Spurs to use/not-use their option?
What are the rules behind?

They must pick up the option this summer.

- If they don't pick the option this year : Beno will be an UFA at the end of the year and Spurs won't even have Bird Rights on him to pay him more than what he should have earned during the 4th year on his rookie deal.

- if they pick up the option : Beno will be a RFA during the 2008 summer.

[ata]

So I think it will be clear after training camp. If Beno will earn back-up spot in Pop's eyes, he will get an extension before season start. Without extension he will be benchwarmer, most possibly traded before February deadline.

[Kori Ellis]

For the exact date:


They have until the October 31 preceding the player's third season to exercise their option for the player's fourth season.

[Bruno]

So I think it will be clear after training camp. If Beno will earn back-up spot in Pop's eyes, he will get an extension before season start. Without extension he will be benchwarmer, most possibly traded before February deadline.

Not picking the team option for the fourth year when it's quite cheap ($1.7M for Beno) means that the team has given up on the player.
Last example of that are Marcus Banks with Boston (traded) and Ebi with Minny (waived).

[strangeweather]

I agree with the people who've said Pargo -- I think he's the best guy out there for cheap. As far as I'm concerned, let him and Beno fight it out at camp.

Edited to add: if Beno wins the job in camp, pick up his option.

[spurster]

I think getting a young, athletic forward and figuring out what to do with the bigs is more pressing than going out and spending a lot of money on a backup PG. However I'm not sure that Pop agrees .. he has said that taking care of the point guard depth is a top priority.
Sounds like CIA pop to me. Beno and Brent would be adequate backup PG depth and known quantities. Not anything great, but not bad either. Beno's minutes were reduced but his efficiency per minute this past year was a little bit higher (from 0.382 to 0.416). If we discount garbage minutes, then he played about as well despite the lack of playing time.

It usually takes time and patience to become a decent NBA PG. With the overrated NVE this year (0.315 efficiency/minute), Beno got demoted. I think with more quality minutes, Beno would be good enough.

[nobodi_home]

Compare Beno's turnover ratio with Parker's. I'm talking about adjusting the numbers to account for the vast difference in minutes played by Beno and Parker, which naturally must be done. When you finish, you find it is not Beno but Pin Head Parker is the one you should be wishing to unload. Parker and Ginobili, Mr and Mrs TURNOVER!! No tag-team in the NBA throws the ball away like these two jerks. And you people on here thing SAS should get rid of Beno? Beno is doing the Spurs a favor sticking around. He ought to tell Peter Hold to stick the spurs up his butt and go back to Europe and play and have fun in the process. But like most people, I guess Beno is addicted to the big paychecks, but you guys are really off your noodle to suggest getting rid of Beno. I don't think you know your game very well.

[leemajors]

The problem for the Spurs back-up point guard will always be that this person plays such few minutes. No one wants to come here and play 10 mintes a night except an old veteran who has done his time and wants to win a championship. A young player wants to get onto the court and get some experiece. Also, the Spurs will not justify spending Speedy-type money on a guy who plays so few minutes. I have proposed all along the use of Brent as the back-up point guard and he does double-duty as the fourth swing man, in case Manu or someone else gets hurt or there is foul trouble. You "justify" his salary because he fills two needs with one player.

I adore Beno but for his development it might be better for him to go elsewhere where he will get onto the court. The guy is the best passer on the team and really knows how to run an offense, given the opportunity. One season as the third string point guard was OK, but if the Spurs are not going to play him this year, they need to trade him somewhere where he can get some playing time.

if we had better options at the backup pg spot there would be a lot more minutes for backup pg. problem is, we don't have anyone to spell tony without costing us on both ends of the floor.

[leemajors]

Compare Beno's turnover ratio with Parker's. I'm talking about adjusting the numbers to account for the vast difference in minutes played by Beno and Parker, which naturally must be done. When you finish, you find it is not Beno but Pin Head Parker is the one you should be wishing to unload. Parker and Ginobili, Mr and Mrs TURNOVER!! No tag-team in the NBA throws the ball away like these two jerks. And you people on here thing SAS should get rid of Beno? Beno is doing the Spurs a favor sticking around. He ought to tell Peter Hold to stick the spurs up his butt and go back to Europe and play and have fun in the process. But like most people, I guess Beno is addicted to the big paychecks, but you guys are really off your noodle to suggest getting rid of Beno. I don't think you know your game very well.

that's all well and good, but tony more than makes up for his turnovers.

[beachbarbie948]

I say keep Beno as a 3rd string player maybe.

He's cheap.

[ploto]

if we had better options at the backup pg spot there would be a lot more minutes for backup pg. problem is, we don't have anyone to spell tony without costing us on both ends of the floor.
True- but it hasn't really seemed to matter who we used- Speedy, Beno, NVE. The past 4 seasons Tony has averaged 33.8; 34.4; 34.2; 33.9 minutes per game.

[SPARKY]

Right now you go with Udrih as your backup point and sign someone to be the 3rd point. There's not really anyone out there who would be a definitive backup that you could sign for the minimum. I'd really rather see the team address other areas of need before the backup point. If need be, you can go to Manu bringing the ball upcourt if Beno struggles again in the postseason. Then you use your MLE on a backup.

[T Park]

As much as I dissaprove of what im gonna say.

Bring back Beno.

One last shot.

you tell him to work out, tell him to drop the weight, and you sign a Pargo, who is proven in the playoffs, ala 2005, and sign higher priorities like long 3 and rebounders.

[SPARKY]

Everything was going well until Games 3 and 4 of the '05 Finals. He needs his confidence rebuilt.

[MannyIsGod]

Beno's main 2 problems are huge. Yes, he has tons of potential on the offensive end in the way he runs the offense and with his shot, but he has a huge hole in his game regarding bringing the ball up the court against any kind of pressure. There were signs in this season that he was going get better at this, but in the end he revereted back to his old game.

And to top that off, he can't guard a stick. It is disgusting how easily opposing point guards take him into the lane. I'm not sure how he can work on this, but dropping weight and working on his quickness is a damn fine place to start.

Whether or not Beno gets a shot depends entirely on what trade offers come through this summer as well as what FA signings are made. If there is no way to get a SF/PF in here of quality, I can easily see Pop using the MLE to go out and sign a PG. Who could blame him at that point? You need to do the best thing possible for your team and that may be it in the end. If we can go pickup a forward, then of course we won't have the money to go after a top notch backup pg as well. Also, I'm pretty sure Beno is a firm fixture on the trade block at this time. There is no way the Spurs aren't shopping him around the leauge but his value being so low I'm not expecting any offers to come through that make sense for this team. He has potential but I don't think many teams value that potential very highly given how the Spurs gave up on him this year.

I personally would rather not see the ball in Beno's hands next year when Parker heads to the bench. Quite frankly, I feel some of the guys people mentioned as 3rd stringers are players I would rather see playing 2nd string in front of Beno. However, with as little room as the Spurs have to manevour this year, I understand the most likely course of action involves brining him back in the hopes he can fill the backup PG spot. I think that he'll get a shot in camp and I think he'll blow it. I hope he proves me wrong, but unless he works extremely hard in the offseason the Spurs can find a veteran for the minimum who will give this team more than Beno does.

[ChumpDumper]

Well, assuming Nazr-for-Wallace isn't happeneing, I'd work on Nazr for Duhon + trade exception.

If Beno seems like he might be able to be a real #2 PG, go to the D-League for a guy like Aaron Miles or Ramel Curry - projects who could actually push Beno for minutes if he starts sucking again.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

And to top that off, he can't guard a stick. It is disgusting how easily opposing point guards take him into the lane. I'm not sure how he can work on this, but dropping weight and working on his quickness is a damn fine place to start.



I'm not sure he can.

It's not sure it's his height/weight problem as much as a mentality problem. We turned Ferry into a good defender but he's the pesky type. He just looks annoying. Beno doesn't seem to have the types of traits you can turn into...what's the word, anyways you get the point. Viva le Speedy.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

Well, assuming Nazr-for-Wallace isn't happeneing, I'd work on Nazr for Duhon + trade exception.

If Beno seems like he might be able to be a real #2 PG, go to the D-League for a guy like Aaron Miles or Ramel Curry - projects who could actually push Beno for minutes if he starts sucking again.

With Sweetney doing well there and Duhon's big role off the bench I don't see why Chicago would be interested in that. But if they are, I'd take Duhon anyday.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

As much as I dissaprove of what im gonna say.

Bring back Beno.

One last shot.

you tell him to work out, tell him to drop the weight, and you sign a Pargo, who is proven in the playoffs, ala 2005, and sign higher priorities like long 3 and rebounders.

Sure.

Bring him back. As a 3rd string PG :D

[ChumpDumper]

They are always looking for size, and I read in some non-Sam Smith article that they were shopping Duhon.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

If that's the case I hope it's not b/c he's not happy with his minutes.

If he thought playing behind Kirk and Gordan was bad, wait until he gets behind TP/Manu :D

[zwbgr]

I tell you Beno won't be traded. And no other backup point guard will be bringed. Remeber this. Spurs need backup wing with solid defense and not point guard. If Beno will really be so bad that you think he'll be, there are still Barry and Manu, who can play PG for some minutes.
BTW, staying with Spurs is bad for Beno. If he were somewhere like Atlanta i believe he would show much more.
Beno haters - you're silly with those games against Detroit in last year finals. This was 1 year ago. Have you ever heard for development in players game? If i read your posts i most suppose you haven't.

[Mavschick]

TOR could draft Aldridge for the Bulls and get the Bulls to draft Bargnani for them with the 2nd pick. Then TOR could trade Aldridge and backup PG J. Calderon to the Bulls for Bargnani and PG Chris Duhon.

[leemajors]

Well, assuming Nazr-for-Wallace isn't happeneing, I'd work on Nazr for Duhon + trade exception.

If Beno seems like he might be able to be a real #2 PG, go to the D-League for a guy like Aaron Miles or Ramel Curry - projects who could actually push Beno for minutes if he starts sucking again.

miles played for kansas right? how did he do in the d-league. i remember he was pretty damn quick, but his shot was pretty inconsistent. was he hinrich's backup at kansas or did he play sg? i can't remember.

[Mavschick]

I like Beno, but if SA wants another PG, why not Jay Williams? Although their injuries were quite different, maybe Williams can make a stirring comeback like T. J. Ford did. Sign him to a 2-year contract with a team option on the 2nd. That way if he looks like he just doesn't have it, SA can just decline the option and end up only having spent 1 year on the experiment. The first year could be for a low base salary and highly incentivized, ie. if he plays so many games, he gets $$$, etc. Or maybe Williams would be happy with a 1-year contract in that he'd want to use this year to show he's back and have the flexibility to subsequently sign a big contract the next year.

[ducks]

SUNS HAVE 2 draft picks 21 and 27

[ChumpDumper]

miles played for kansas right? how did he do in the d-league. i remember he was pretty damn quick, but his shot was pretty inconsistent. was he hinrich's backup at kansas or did he play sg? i can't remember.That's the guy. Got an appointment right now, but I'll tell you what I saw of him later. He "developed" nicely.


STATS (http://www.nba.com/dleague/playerfile/aaron_miles/index.html)

Check out his splits and log too.

[leemajors]

That's the guy. Got an appointment right now, but I'll tell you what I saw of him later. He "developed" nicely.


STATS (http://www.nba.com/dleague/playerfile/aaron_miles/index.html)

Check out his splits and log too.

damn 10 pts. 6.6 assists per game... played great on the road. did he get benched in the last month? seemed more productive in starts.

[MannyIsGod]

I tell you Beno won't be traded. And no other backup point guard will be bringed. Remeber this. Spurs need backup wing with solid defense and not point guard. If Beno will really be so bad that you think he'll be, there are still Barry and Manu, who can play PG for some minutes.
BTW, staying with Spurs is bad for Beno. If he were somewhere like Atlanta i believe he would show much more.
Beno haters - you're silly with those games against Detroit in last year finals. This was 1 year ago. Have you ever heard for development in players game? If i read your posts i most suppose you haven't.:lmao

[ChumpDumper]

You might want to go to Google and download this season's final regular season game against Houston and tell me how much Beno had developed.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1689381783601586176

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I forgot he was a two-time champion with the San Antonio Spurs. Good for Beno.

[CGD]

I forgot he was a two-time champion with the San Antonio Spurs. Good for Beno.

Yeah, and Nando de Colo was robbed a championship with the spurs in 2014 when he was traded for Daye. He actually played decently (like 12th man decently) for the spurs that season.

[exstatic]

Yeah, and Nando de Colo was robbed a championship with the spurs in 2014 when he was traded for Daye. He actually played decently (like 12th man decently) for the spurs that season.

De Colo was a whiner. He wasn't traded in a vacuum. I believe he asked out because of playing time issues.

[exstatic]

Beno would have been good in today's game. He was famous for his PUJIT, pull up jumper in transition, and that probably punched his ticket out of town when you have Duncan in the post and the rules in his favor.

[SpursWoman]

I forgot he was a two-time champion with the San Antonio Spurs. Good for Beno.

Seriously, good for him. :tu

Craziness...I was just looking through some old pictures of a season ticket holder party we went to at Dave & Buster's one year and have pictures of Beno and hadn't heard his name in years. I also had a bunch of pictures of Rasho from that party. :wtf :lol

[Dex]

Beno would have been good in today's game. He was famous for his PUJIT, pull up jumper in transition, and that probably punched his ticket out of town when you have Duncan in the post and the rules in his favor.

Yeah, he was a good player and kinda filled that Steve Kerr / Speedy Claxton / Cory Joseph role well. Backup guard, not playing huge minutes but was good to throw in for a change of pace and mostly steady...except for when he started getting cooked by Billups in the 2005 Finals and had to be benched

[GAustex]

Yeah that one dude for Detroit wouldn’t let Brno bring the ball over half court was also Benos demise

[GAustex]

Lindsey Hunter

[JPB]

Yeah, he was a good player and kinda filled that Steve Kerr / Speedy Claxton / Cory Joseph role well. Backup guard, not playing huge minutes but was good to throw in for a change of pace and mostly steady...except for when he started getting cooked by Billups in the 2005 Finals and had to be benched

Remember when people wanted Claxton over TP because of a few POs games? Trade Tony for a long 3 and make Speedy our starting PG. ... Claxton got paid in GS then played a total of 6 seasons after the spurs as a back up PG in 3 different teams, disappearing at 30 from the NBA, avering 5.2pt and 2.5 his last 2 seasons.

O.V.E.R.R.E.A.C.T.I.N.G.

[Dex]

Remember when people wanted Claxton over TP because of a few POs games? Trade Tony for a long 3 and make Speedy our starting PG. ... Claxton got paid in GS then played a total of 6 seasons after the spurs as a back up PG in 3 different teams, disappearing at 30 from the NBA, avering 5.2pt and 2.5 his last 2 seasons.

O.V.E.R.R.E.A.C.T.I.N.G.

I don't disagree with you, but at the same time...Spurs probably don't win 2003 without Speedy. Tony wasn't ready yet.

Not implying we should have given Claxton a long-term contract, just saying...you need those bench players.

Just like how Kerr stepped up in the 2003 WCF Game 6 against Dallas, and the dunk Joseph put on OKC in Game Game 4 in 2014 (a game the Spurs lost but still stirred up the team).

These moments were pivotal for larger and better things.

[KingKev]

I don't disagree with you, but at the same time...Spurs probably don't win 2003 without Speedy. Tony wasn't ready yet.

Not implying we should have given Claxton a long-term contract, just saying...you need those bench players.

Just like how Kerr stepped up in the 2003 WCF Game 6 against Dallas, and the dunk Joseph put on OKC in Game Game 4 in 2014 (a game the Spurs lost but still stirred up the team).

These moments were pivotal for larger and better things.

Completely agree dude! Kerr 2003 game 6 WCF is one of my favourite Spurs performances of all time!!!

[CGD]

I don't disagree with you, but at the same time...Spurs probably don't win 2003 without Speedy. Tony wasn't ready yet.

Not implying we should have given Claxton a long-term contract, just saying...you need those bench players.

Just like how Kerr stepped up in the 2003 WCF Game 6 against Dallas, and the dunk Joseph put on OKC in Game Game 4 in 2014 (a game the Spurs lost but still stirred up the team).

These moments were pivotal for larger and better things.

100 percent. Speedy saved Tony’s bacon in 2003.

[Extra Stout]

I remember back in the 2000s there were old Spurs fans who reminisced with one another about the 1970s and 1980s. Now in the 2020s there are old Spurs fans who reminisce about the 2000s.

We’re old. And gray.

[exstatic]

Yeah that one dude for Detroit wouldn’t let Brno bring the ball over half court was also Benos demise

Lindsay Hunter. It wasn't just Beno, either. After Detroit Tied it up at 2-2, SA implemented a rule that the ball was ONLY to be inbounded to the guard that was NOT being checked by Hunter.

[Dex]

I remember back in the 2000s there were old Spurs fans who reminisced with one another about the 1970s and 1980s. Now in the 2020s there are old Spurs fans who reminisce about the 2000s.

We’re old. And gray.

Time keeps on slipping...into the fuuuuutuuuuure

[benefactor]

I remember back in the 2000s there were old Spurs fans who reminisced with one another about the 1970s and 1980s. Now in the 2020s there are old Spurs fans who reminisce about the 2000s.

We’re old. And gray.
Only in the beard. My hair is still holding on for now:lol

[JPB]

I don't disagree with you, but at the same time...Spurs probably don't win 2003 without Speedy. Tony wasn't ready yet.

Not implying we should have given Claxton a long-term contract, just saying...you need those bench players.

Just like how Kerr stepped up in the 2003 WCF Game 6 against Dallas, and the dunk Joseph put on OKC in Game Game 4 in 2014 (a game the Spurs lost but still stirred up the team).

These moments were pivotal for larger and better things.

You're right about these guys, and it's the same for every team and their second hand PO heroes, but the thing is many of those spurs role players were generated by the system, and then replaceable...Reason why spurs were letting other teams overpaying them, knowing they could produce another one, when he wasn't already on the team...

Yes Claxton ate Tony's breakfast that year, but Tony was ofc the better prospect on the long term and you should never let a couple PO games fool you...Speedy's attitude and personality certainly helped PATFO in that...

20 years later, It's the opposite...PATFO isn't trying to find role players for their stars... they're trying to find stars for their roster is full or potential role players, with all all the Tres, Champagnies, Barlows, Basseys or Mamus of the world..

[lefty]

Weird player

Was a good backup for us then he couldn't handle the Pistons' defensive pressure in 2005

Then he became decent again after leaving the Spurs

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

Beno Time!

[JPB]

Where's the "here's your balls, Beno" pic tbh?

[Proxy]

I don't disagree with you, but at the same time...Spurs probably don't win 2003 without Speedy. Tony wasn't ready yet.

Not implying we should have given Claxton a long-term contract, just saying...you need those bench players.

Just like how Kerr stepped up in the 2003 WCF Game 6 against Dallas, and the dunk Joseph put on OKC in Game Game 4 in 2014 (a game the Spurs lost but still stirred up the team).

These moments were pivotal for larger and better things.
Can’t remember which game exactly anymore, think it was the close out G5 against Denver first round 05… but Glenn Robinson gave us a little spark that I always remember.

Watched his interview with Q Richardson and Darius Miles the other day and he mentioned Beno by name when talking about Pop digging into everyone from Timmy to Beno. Something along those lines. Had some funny comments about Manu putting his hair behind his ears too