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Mavs<Spurs
06-03-2006, 02:47 AM
It appears that Mavs vs Heat for our NBA Finals.

I am concerned about the matchups. I hate the Mavs, but there are some good reasons to believe that the Mavs can beat the Heat. However, I think that it is slightly more likely that the Heat will win.

Things which should scare Heat fans (and/or Mavericks haters like me):

(a)The quickness and athleticism of the guards/small forwards of Dallas.

(1) Miami does not defend the perimeter well. Dallas' guards may be able to score at will on the perimeter or break down Miami's defense.

(2) Miami does not get back well on transition defense. Therefore, Dallas may get a lot of easy hoops in transition.

(3) Miami turns the ball over. This will lead to the problems associated with
(2).

(4) and most importantly, if the Dallas guards get into the paint, it is very likely that they will get Shaq in foul trouble. If that happens, Miami is finished.

(b) Dirk will be tough for Miami to defend. Haslem can guard him reasonably well, but if Dirk gets it going, then nobody can stop him. However, it may be more difficult for Dirk to score in the paint.

(c) Dallas actually probably plays better defense than the Heat. However, Miami did play better defense this series against the Pistons (although Pistons did miss a lot of open shots). Also, Mavs defense against the Suns has not been stellar.


However, Heat do have some obvious major advantages on their side.

The first advantage is so big that he is hard to miss (unless your last name is Jones and you played on the Heat last year), namely Shaq who had 28 points, 16 rebounds and 5 blocks in game 6.

Shaq vs Dampier, Diop, Mbenga (whenever he is eligible to play). That sounds like as many points as Shaq wants every game. If you foul him every time and put him on the line, you are saying that your defense is so bad that you cannot hold the Heat to a lower field goal percentage than he will shoot at the free throw line (a guess at his career free throw average = 50%). You put yourself in the penalty and give him opportunities to score every time down the court (ie instead of a turnover) . So, hack a Shaq does not seem like a very good strategy (at least most of the game) since the math does not seem to work.

Clearly, we can make the basketball game a contest between the worst free throw shooters on both teams (ala Shaq vs Ben). I will refrain from what I think of those who would force us to watch this type of game (David Stern knows that will dramatically shrink revenue- hence he will be motivated to stop this- perhaps 1 year you might be able to get away with this).

The second advantage is Wade. Other than when he was sick in game 6, he shot about 60 + % over the first 5 games. Other than game 5, Dirk was not as efficient. Wade gets to the rim against everybody. His size, strength and quickness are not matched by anybody on the Mavs roster. No one player has all 3 of these qualities to the same extent that Wade has.

Miami scores more in the paint than Dallas. Hence, Miami will shoot a higher percentage than Dallas. Shaq shoots about 60 % from the field. So, either understand and accept that Shaq will score every time or quadruple team him and leave everybody else wide open except Wade. But the other 3 unguarded players can make wide open 12 foot shots. Hence, they will score whenever they feel like it.

Now, will Shaq throw Dirk in the basket with the ball? That is the question.

smallball here on the part of Dallas is a mistake. Probably Heat can score on every possession. However, to make that absolutely certain, tell Avery to go small and see what Shaq does. Good luck with that.

Avery says that the Mavericks don't play very well or win very often when their opponents shoot over 50%. I don't think that the Mavericks have a prayer of holding the Heat below 50%.

So, those are the advantages Miami has.


My conclusion is that it is Too easy for Miami to score (not due to bad defense [I admit Dallas is a good defensive team (normally) and greatly improved] but due to the fact that there is no defense for Shaq). So, I think that Miami is a slight favorite to win it all.

Dallas fans, I am loathe to say this, but you all have a great team (that was hard to write). In my opinion, Miami's chances are 50.1 % to win it all and Dallas' chances are 49.9 % and Spurs' and Pistons' chances are 0. And to many people, equally compelling or more compelling arguments can be made (for example by you) for why Dallas is the favorite.


I still love the Spurs and I still love the Pistons!!!

Go Heat!!!

angryllama
06-03-2006, 03:25 AM
Thanks for taking the time to delve a bit deeper into the series. This series would have some classic matchups.

The most dominant force in the playoffs should be addressed first: Dirk Nowitzki.
Miami will rarely play Dirk with Haslem. That just doesnt work. Dirk is taller than him (rebounds, shooting), and quicker. Dirk would make short work of Haslem on offense. I would expect James Posey, Antoine Walker, and Shandon Anderson to all spend time guarding Dirk, as Riley would probably prefer to see Dirk work his jumper than to take lumbering PF's and C's to the basket. Expect to see alot of Posey on Dirk in this series.

Dirk is really the key to the series, because as we all saw in the Mavs/Spurs series, Dirk's mere presence on the court throws the opposition's rotation out of whack. Dirk will not play C when Shaq plays, but will probably see time at C when he rests. Against Miami, Dallas will be able to dicatate matchups.

Dallas will probably throw this one out there first and see if it sticks:
Dampier
Nowitzki
Howard
Griffin
Terry
The first guys off of the bench will be Stackhouse, Harris, and Diop.

They will be matched up with:
O'Neal
Posey
Walker
Wade
Williams

The most interesting matchup of the series will be Howard vs. Wade. Howard has the skills on both ends to counter Wade's production. Howard is also a physical player who could frustrate Wade. I see this one being really fun.

Burn531
06-03-2006, 03:53 AM
Who's gonna guard Dirk? Zo? Haslem? Walker?

Also with the Mavs there guards like Harris and Terry are gonna draw foul after foul on Shaq.

ballhog
06-03-2006, 08:14 AM
Wade will have a field day with Harris and Terry. He can play pretty good D. They'll have to keep up with him driving to the hoop all the time.

Shank
06-03-2006, 08:43 AM
When did Miami become this amazing basketball force? As I recall, they're 0-4 against both Dallas and Phoenix this year.

picnroll
06-03-2006, 09:12 AM
Dirk will give Miami trouble but I think Walker will give Dirk lots of trouble at the other end. Dirk doesn't have the lateral movement or foot speed to stay in front of Walker, Walker is playing well now, fitting into the system. Riley is also going to make those fouls on Dirk count. No more breaths and a flop, he may actually get a bruise or two.

Needless to say Cuban and Dallas fans will be howling about the fouls Shaq draws.

Heat in 6.

texlawman
06-03-2006, 09:14 AM
I think Dallas takes it. I have Miami as the third best team in the playoffs this year behind Dallas and San Antonio.

Shank
06-03-2006, 09:50 AM
Dirk will give Miami trouble but I think Walker will give Dirk lots of trouble at the other end. Dirk doesn't have the lateral movement or foot speed to stay in front of Walker, Walker is playing well now, fitting into the system. Riley is also going to make those fouls on Dirk count. No more breaths and a flop, he may actually get a bruise or two.

No way you just said Antoine FUCKING Walker will give Dirk problems. How much for a dime?

Pandaemonaeon
06-03-2006, 09:53 AM
I know it was the regular season but for those who love looking at it from a 1x1 perspective: y'all probably wanna' watch our 2nd game against the Heat. Dallas took away Wade's penetration and at the same time made Shaq hit a lot of awkward hook shots. Like Rosen said: none of our players were put in the position to guard someone by themselves; it was just great team defense.

On the other side, once again, they had no answer for Dirk who just posted up Posey till' the cows came home. Then we finally broke the game wide open in the 3rd with small ball.

Now, I don't expect it to be another blowout and Miami's obviously going to be coming up fighting but all this talk about Dallas being undermatched and underwhelmed is just plain hating and baseless. Props to this Spurs fan for being unbiased and telling it like it is.

picnroll
06-03-2006, 10:00 AM
No way you just said Antoine FUCKING Walker will give Dirk problems. How much for a dime?
You think Dirk can stay in front of Walker off the dribble isolated at the top of the key? Maybe. The refs certainly have been looking the other way, letting Dirk hip check Nash on penetration.

ducks
06-03-2006, 10:14 AM
yep it appeared that way to to many mavs then dirk scored 11 points and suns kicked mavs butt

suns can and will force game 7

pussyface
06-03-2006, 10:54 AM
"I still love the Spurs and I still love the Pistons!!!"-themanu

hehe...you are really being bold with your "love" for the two overwhelming nba title favorites this year. you remind me of my son, who is in grade school. last year his favorite college teams were duke and florida (once they hit their stride).