How high could we move up in the draft...

[xcoriate]

with a package of Mohammed (S+T) and Scola?

Scola by himself should be enough for a mid first rounder... could we get to the top 5 or so picks with this package?

Would you want to?

Who would we draft?

[TDMVPDPOY]

nazr is approachin 30, scola 26, no thanks

[Ariel]

with a package of Mohammed (S+T) and Scola?

Scola by himself should be enough for a mid first rounder... could we get to the top 5 or so picks with this package?

Would you want to?

Who would we draft?
Nazr's value isn't high enough to warrant a S&T, and he's likely gone without getting anything in return.

As for Scola, I think you might at best get a first round pick, say in the 20s range. Fact is, for every single one of his many virtues, he remains an NBA unproven, slightly undersized, likely potential capped player at a strong position in the NBA, with a difficult contractual situation and clear flaws.

It always stroke me as a funny thing that most people hold him in high regard when assessing his trade value, yet come signing time they expect him to settle for peanuts. A kind of 'sell him like a champ, pay him like a chump' scheme.

In any case, to me it's clear that his market value isn't going to be any higher that it is right now, at his prime and having already received every individual award he could have. Eventually this has to come to a conclusion, and I don't see why one would expect the future to hold opportunities that haven't presented themselves thus far. Make it happen, or move on. The window of opportunity for the Spurs is now.

[ChumpDumper]

Scola could get you a mid-first rounder.

Nazr+Scola would get you a mid-second rounder.

[Duncanoypi]

^lol...

[kobyz]

it will be nice to get a first round pic for next year draft, bc it will be a great draft

[Winnipeg_Spur]

Is it really possible to sign and trade a player for a pick in this year's draft? Doesn't the draft take place before free agency begins?

[Despot]

it will be nice to get a first round pic for next year draft, bc it will be a great draft

Exactly, If we were to let scola go, I would much rather it be for a pick in next years draft. Alot of teams are preoccupied with NOW, so future picks are valued a little less, so we could maximize our chances to get a better pick in a much better draft next year.

[ploto]

Actually no one has mentioned a trade of Beno for a first round draft pick- it could happen.

[IcemanCometh]

no one is gonna trade anything for scola or mohammed.

Scola doesn't even have a contract why the hell would anyone trade for him?
Mohammed has pretty much shown what hes gonna show, a stupid team might overpay him (Knicks) but no one will bother with a sign and trade for a 30 year old serviceable backup bigman.

[BgT]

Scola could get you a mid-first rounder.

Nazr+Scola would get you a mid-second rounder.

:lol

[Ariel]

Scola doesn't even have a contract why the hell would anyone trade for him?
Huh?

The Spurs hold the rights to Scola, in order for anyone to sign him, they would have to trade for him first.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

The only problem I see is who would want Scola instead of drafting a younger bench warmer in his stead

[SPARKY]

The Spurs can trade Scola's rights. Obviously a team would get in touch with his agent before they made a deal but the Spurs can definitely get a pick for him, probably mid to low 1st round in this draft.

[Mr. Body]

Beno would get you a second rounder, maybe.

Scola could possibly net a late first rounder, but not in a current draft. Poster above was correct, that teams don't like to give up tangible current-year draft picks.

Nobody will trade away first round draft picks for next year. If they do, they're stupid.

Next year is the Greg Oden draft and any team even sniffing the lottery is hanging on to theirs, waiting for a miracle. The rest of the draft is probably pretty deep, too.

[Leetonidas]

Scola could probably get you the 16 pick from the Bulls.

[SPARKY]

This draft isn't that great. If Scola is ready to come over then you have a polished player in his mid-twenties ready to contribute. The Argies definitely have some respect in the L thanks to Manu and Nocioni. Spurs could probably sell a team in the latter half of the 1st round on Scola.

[Mr. Body]

Scola could probably get you the 16 pick from the Bulls.

If that happens, I'd expect a package with a S&Traded Nazr.

Draftexpress is projecting Sefalosha at 16. He'd be an interesting prospect, but not better than Scola.

[ploto]

If that happens, I'd expect a package with a S&Traded Nazr.

Can't do that before the draft.

[Mr. Body]

Can't do that before the draft.

You're right; thanks.

The only way I see that trade (Scola for 2006 pick) is if the Spurs like a SF in the draft very much --- and know he'll be available there.

[SPARKY]

Should the Spurs necessarily want to pass on Scola? It seems like the sticking point is his asking price. If he gets a deal on par with the one Manu did (2 yrs, $3 mil) then I'd be more inclined to see the Spurs bring him in. That's not too much of a stretch. After all, Manu inked that deal after blowing up in Europe.

[JamStone]

I'm no NBA GM or scout, but I wouldn't trade a first rounder for Scola. Maybe one of the last 3 or 4 pics in the first round, but not a mid first rounder.

As has been said, he's undersized. Isn't he a 6-8 power forward?

He has contract buyout issues.

He's unproven in the NBA. And, he's already old, relative to most prospects.

If I remember correctly, an NBA team loses its right to a player overseas after three years of drafting him. So, if that's correct, Spurs won't have his rights for much longer. At which point, any NBA team could go after him if they really wanted him. If he isn't going to come to the NBA next season, it would behoove a team that really likes him to wait until Spurs no longer have his rights.

[SPARKY]

Why trade a mid-1st for Manu in 2002 then? It's not like size is the major concern for a big in the L today, especially with the primacy of athleticism. The Euroleague has greater respect today.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

This year's draft is weak. Using Scola to move into the first round wouldn't be very smart IMO. Now, if you want them to trade him for a first rounder next year, then we can talk.

[picnroll]

Scola is one of the Argentina's big three, Manu, Nocioni and Scola. They all share the same fire and in international play usaully it's Manu then Scola carrying the day for Argentina. We've seen what Manu and Nocioni have done in the NBA.

Scola is no draft pick, particularly mid-range, that will take a few years refining his game, Scola has a refined game. And now is the Spurs window, not four years from now when some mid-range draft pick might pan out. It's either a high pick, above 12 or a good player in a trade or the Spurs should roll with Scola.

[SPARKY]

Getting something for Scola at some point is smart. If the Spurs hadn't dealt away two 1st rounders for a year's rental of Mohammed might the thought of getting a 1st rounder this season not come to mind.

[ploto]

If I remember correctly, an NBA team loses its right to a player overseas after three years of drafting him.
Spurs will hold Scola's rights as long as he is playing elsewhere.

[SPARKY]

The one thing that concerns me is Scola's weak rebounding during his Euroleague career.

[picnroll]

I don't think Scola will be a great rebounder but right now in the ACB playoffs after 5 games he's averaging 11.0 a game, first in the league. Garbojosa that the Raps are signing is at 6.75. Scola seems to have a particular knack for offensive rebounds and putbacks. The area that I think is the greatest concern is Scola's defense, particularly his post D. He may make Oberto seem like DRob guarding the paint.

Scola's playoff performance is awesome.

link (http://www.acb.com/stsindiv.php?cod_competicion=LACB&cod_edicion=50&cod_fase=PT)

[SPARKY]

IIRC, this summer is the last that Scola has a buyout to worry about. It might make sense to bring Javtokas in this summer and then Scola the next when Horry might be hanging it up.

[JamStone]

Spurs will hold Scola's rights as long as he is playing elsewhere.

Reference? Cite?

I'm not saying you're wrong. I just don't recall specifically, but I remember reading after a certain amount of time, an NBA team will lose its rights to a player who is playing overseas. I thought it was three years. I don't remember anything about as long as the player is playing somewhere, they don't lose his rights.

[picnroll]

JamStone Sacramento still holds Bodiroga's rights after about 100 years now. Portland held Sabonis's rights for about two hundred years before they signed him. If Scola sits out of pro basketball for a year with no contract then he becomes a free man.

[JamStone]

Again, not saying you guys are wrong. I'd just like to see a reference, cite, link that says as much.

[SPARKY]

Again, not saying you guys are wrong. I'd just like to see a reference, cite, link that says as much.

http://www.nbpa.com/cba.php

[Ariel]

I'm no NBA GM or scout, but I wouldn't trade a first rounder for Scola. Maybe one of the last 3 or 4 pics in the first round, but not a mid first rounder.

As has been said, he's undersized. Isn't he a 6-8 power forward?

He has contract buyout issues.

He's unproven in the NBA. And, he's already old, relative to most prospects.

If I remember correctly, an NBA team loses its right to a player overseas after three years of drafting him. So, if that's correct, Spurs won't have his rights for much longer. At which point, any NBA team could go after him if they really wanted him. If he isn't going to come to the NBA next season, it would behoove a team that really likes him to wait until Spurs no longer have his rights.
Two things:
He's 6'9"
An NBA team holds an overseas player's rights indefinitely, unless he doesn't sign a contract for a whole year. Thus, as long as Scola is playing, his NBA rights belong to the Spurs. For a reference, go to www.cbafaq.com, it's there somewhere
Other than that, you're right.

[Ariel]

Here, I found it:

42. What if the team and player can't agree to a contract? What options does the player have? How long does the team keep his draft rights? (http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#42):

[...]

* If the player is already under contract to, or signs a contract with a non-NBA team, the team retains the player's draft rights for one year after the player's obligation to the non-NBA team ends. Essentially, the clock stops as long as the player plays pro ball outside the NBA.

[JamStone]

Thanks, Ariel.