Long 3 vs Small 4/5

[Please_dont_ban_me]

Which should be our priority?

I've heard people talk about how we are looking for a long 3. Is that conjecture, or something Pop has discussed? Going off the playoffs, I think a smaller 5 we can play on Dirk would be more appropiate. No? A Haslem...Kenny Thomas...Horry mold of a player.

[Kori Ellis]

To me, a Long 3 = Small 4.

A 6'9 or so player who is athletic, can rebound, swing to both forward spots.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

ie. Danny Granger... (in our dreams!)

[Please_dont_ban_me]

To me, a Long 3 = Small 4.

A 6'9 or so player who is athletic, can rebound, swing to both forward spots.

In my opinion a long 3 is a Tayshaun Prince type player.

A small 4/5 is a Kenny Thomas type player.





I doubt Tayshaun could slide over to the 4/5 for more than a few scattered plays.

I doubt Kenny Thomas could slide down to the 3 for more than a few scattered plays.




So if I had to choose, I would go with a small 4/5 who can be a little physical with Dirk while still staying with him laterally. We already have a long 3 who can get under his skin. We need someone that can bully him chest to chest a little as well.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

ie. Danny Granger... (in our dreams!)

Is he a free agent?

He's a young artest...minus the head case.

[Kori Ellis]

I don't think they need any kind of 5. I'm just saying that I think they need an athletic forward. Someone who can play 3/4 depending on the circumstances.

And we don't have a long 3 who can get under his skin. Bruce is short 3 not a long 3.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

How much longer than Bruce Bowen can you get?

[polandprzem]

please_just_ban_me was taking about our center position I think.
An atletic forward on a center position in modern NBA yugh

[ChumpDumper]

I think long threes are a slightly rare commodity so the small 4s have to be considered, especially given our history with Malik Rose and our rebounding woes when going small.

I wouldn't pass up a Chuck Hayes or Eric Hicks if they wanted a shot here.

[Kori Ellis]

How much longer than Bruce Bowen can you get?

Bruce is shorter than 6'7.

When people talk about long 3 they are talking about players that are around 6'9.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

Bruce is shorter than 6'7.

When people talk about long 3 they are talking about players that are around 6'9.

Who is a small forward in the NBA and is 6'9?

One guy that comes to mind is Big Dogg...Glenn Robinson. But he was a freak as far as height at the small forward. Is that the type of height you're referring to? Who are some other small forwards that fit that mold...

[Please_dont_ban_me]

I think long threes are a slightly rare commodity so the small 4s have to be considered, especially given our history with Malik Rose and our rebounding woes when going small.

I wouldn't pass up a Chuck Hayes or Eric Hicks if they wanted a shot here.

Since it seems like we're losing Nazro, having that small 4 to pair with Rasho would be a nice 1-2 punch off the bench.

[Kori Ellis]

Who is a small forward in the NBA and is 6'9?

One guy that comes to mind is Big Dogg...Glenn Robinson. But he was a freak as far as height at the small forward. Is that the type of height you're referring to? Who are some other small forwards that fit that mold...

"Long 3" is like Stephen Jackson, Jared Jeffries, etc. Glenn Robinson is only 6'7.

Pop has said they are looking for an athletic forward is around 6'9/6'10. So that means long 3 or athletic 4, whatever you want to call it. Just meaning an athletic, long forward who can rebound and possibly play both forward spots.

[ChumpDumper]

Since it seems like we're losing Nazro, having that small 4 to pair with Rasho would be a nice 1-2 punch off the bench.Either way, rebounding seems to be a premium for this spot along with athleticism. Looks like you could find both in a long 3 or short 4.

[velik_m]

Who is a small forward in the NBA and is 6'9?

One guy that comes to mind is Big Dogg...Glenn Robinson. But he was a freak as far as height at the small forward. Is that the type of height you're referring to? Who are some other small forwards that fit that mold...

there are out there. Nachbar (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/bostjan_nachbar/index.html) for instance

[Kori Ellis]

Either way, rebounding seems to be a premium for this spot along with athleticism. Looks like you could find both in a long 3 or short 4.

Exactly. Just an athletic guy who can rebound and play some D.

[ChumpDumper]

there are out there. Nachbar (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/bostjan_nachbar/index.html) for instanceYeah I had a whole list going then I hit the wrong key. :drunk

[Please_dont_ban_me]

Yeah I had a whole list going then I hit the wrong key. :drunk

Hahaha

Don't you hate it when that happens? For some reason it happens when I have those longggg replies in the quick reply. Then I proceed to hit the back button to no avail. ='(


I feel like it should have a disclaimr with the new post "no really, i promise...the original reply really souned like i gave a fuck. im sorry, man".

[polandprzem]

Well if the spurs would get so superb long 3 who can play both Forward positions and be in S5 then Duncan probably will be a center next year

[SlovenianGuy]

SFs, who are over 6'9 (yahoo.com)

Ryan Bowen
Mike Dunleavy
Viktor Khryapa
Rashard Lewis
Darius Miles
Bostjan Nachbar
Tayshaun Prince
Peja Stojakovic
Keith Van Horn

[Kori Ellis]

Rashard Lewis is being shopped but he wants a lot of money, doesn't play D, and doesn't rebound. :lol

[SlovenianGuy]

i'm adding those who are listed as forwards:

Shareef Abdur Rahim
Jonathan Bender
Andray Blatche
Zarko Cabarkapa
Justin Davis
Noel Felix
Sharrod Ford
Hiram fuller
Deng Gai
Kevin Garnett
Pat Garrity
Danny Granger
Al Harrington
Randy Holcomb
Juwan Howard
Kris Humphries
Ersan Ilyasova
Jan Jagla
Antawn Jamison
Amir Johnson
Andrei Kirilenko
Yaroslav Korolev
Toni Kukoc
Herve Lamizana
Maciej Lampe
David Lee
Erazem Lorbek
Donyell Marshall
Walter McCarty
Terence Morris
Lamar Odom
Travis Outlaw
Josh Powell
Shavlik Randolph
Darius Rice
Lawrence Roberts
Ricky Sanchez
Eric Sandrin
Wayne Simien
Uros Slokar
Tommy Smith
Chris Taft
Tim Thomas
Lucas Tischer
Ronny Turiaf
Anderson Varejao
Charlie Villanueva
Antoine Walker
Hakim Warrick
Jawad Williams
Marvin Williams

[Ariel]

SFs, who are over 6'9 (yahoo.com)

Ryan Bowen
Mike Dunleavy
Viktor Khryapa
Rashard Lewis
Darius Miles
Bostjan Nachbar
Tayshaun Prince
Peja Stojakovic
Keith Van Horn
Yeah, plus Lamar Odom, Jarred Jeffries, Luol Deng, Hedo Turkoglu, Josh Smith, Marvin Williams...

--EDIT: you just had to go ahead and embarrass me, didn't you... :lol

[ChumpDumper]

I would hope we consider revisiting Sharrod Ford. I really liked what we did with him on halfcourt traps and other such things in the few times I saw him.

[polandprzem]

Yeah, plus Lamar Odom, Jarred Jeffries, Luol Deng, Hedo Turkoglu, Josh Smith, Marvin Williams...

--EDIT: you just had to go ahead and embarrass me, didn't you... :lol

Boriss Diaw would make the mix although he is 6-8 :drunk :drunk :drunk

[ChumpDumper]

Dude, you said the "H" word....

[whottt]

We want what has been traditionally known as a long 3, basically a tall athletic and quick guy, that can shoot from the perimeter and rebound.

The line is blurred now because there are a ton of SF's playing at the PF and even C positions now...like Marion, Odom, Diaw, and yes, Dirk Nowitzki.


BTW, this trend was started by our own Robert Horry, who was a SF when he first entered the league(even though he was a C in college).

When I hear small 4 I think, Maurice Williams(height wise anyway)...that's not what we need.

We need a SF that can play PF in a small ball lineup...that's all guys like Marion and Odom are doing really.

This is why I am not big on Reggie Evans, to me Evans is a 4 in the traditional sense.

Anyway the Spurs know the body type and skill set they need...basically Horry 10 years younger.

[spurster]

The Spurs do have long 3s, but they are in Europe not ready yet.

[SPARKY]

What the Spurs need are rebounders on the frontline. It's not like either Radoslav or Nazr are that great. Beyond that, they need a rebounder and defender who can play the 4 in an uptempo game. Having a true backup at the 3 who can rebound and defend would also be nice.

[SenorSpur]

What the Spurs need are rebounders on the frontline. It's not like either Radoslav or Nazr are that great. Beyond that, they need a rebounder and defender who can play the 4 in an uptempo game. Having a true backup at the 3 who can rebound and defend would also be nice.

Amen.

[MrChug]

Hakim Warrick. A winner. Mature, I'd love to see him in a black and silver uni. Also Jarred Jeffries, but I don't think we could afford him. He's pretty valuable to the Wiz :(.

Also, I think Jonathen Bender retired this summer, didn't he?

[strangeweather]

Rashard Lewis is being shopped but he wants a lot of money, doesn't play D, and doesn't rebound. :lol
Sounds perfect! :spin

[whottt]

What the Spurs need are rebounders on the frontline. It's not like either Radoslav or Nazr are that great. Beyond that, they need a rebounder and defender who can play the 4 in an uptempo game. Having a true backup at the 3 who can rebound and defend would also be nice.


Nazr is an above average rebounder(above average for our team), especially on offensive glass...when he isn't stepping on his own hands.

[strangeweather]

Nazr is an above average rebounder(above average for our team), especially on offensive glass...when he isn't stepping on his own hands.
He's a good offensive rebounder, but we need a good defensive rebounder far more. It's nice to have a guy that can get us second chances, but what killed us was giving up second chances to the Mavs.

[Solid D]

Unfortunately, Lamar Odom is sort of tied up right now.

[sickdsm]

you need a slightly smaller version of Eddie Griffen (available)


But in all likeliness, i think Ebi is the guy you should have had 3 years ago, its not too late for him.

[exstatic]

Even though he doesn't have the length, the guy I like who would be a realistic acquisition is James Posey. He's got kind of a nasty streak, and has better height and size than Bowen and is a better rebounder (4.9 career vs 2.9). He's younger (29) than Bowen was when we signed him, and shoots 34% from downtown, career, including some poor years early on in Denver. Playing off Shaq, he shot 40% from downtown this year.

[strangeweather]

Even though he doesn't have the length, the guy I like who would be a realistic acquisition is James Posey. He's got kind of a nasty streak, and has better height and size than Bowen and is a better rebounder (4.9 career vs 2.9). He's younger (29) than Bowen was when we signed him, and shoots 34% from downtown, career, including some poor years early on in Denver. Playing off Shaq, he shot 40% from downtown this year.
The $6.3M (player option) he's getting this year is pretty high, but at least it's the last year of the deal.

Is he really available for anything we want to trade? I can't see Miami calling Brent Barry an upgrade.

[exstatic]

The $6.3M (player option) he's getting this year is pretty high, but at least it's the last year of the deal.

Is he really available for anything we want to trade? I can't see Miami calling Brent Barry an upgrade.
What if Zo retires? They won't really have anyone to spell Shaq. Two years of Rasho might actually look GOOD to them. :lol

[NCaliSpurs]

This has been said and mocked before (but not by all), but does anyone wish we had swiped Shareef Abdur-Rahim? He is a decent rebounder, has some low-post game (imagine him putting josh howard or dirk in foul trouble), and is pretty long.

[texas84]

How much longer than Bruce Bowen can you get?

I think a long 3 is Josh Howard, Tayshaun Prince, James Posey... your short 3's are Bowen, Adrian Griffin, etc.

I'm not a Spurs fan, but what would a Corey Maggette or Mike Dunleavy do for you?

[FromWayDowntown]

I think a long 3 is Josh Howard, Tayshaun Prince, James Posey... your short 3's are Bowen, Adrian Griffin, etc.

I'm not a Spurs fan, but what would a Corey Maggette or Mike Dunleavy do for you?

I don't think of Howard as long, but Prince is sort of the prototype for the sort of player we've been discussing here for a couple of years.

The need for a long 3 may be eliminated by a decision to pursue some athletic 4-types. To that end, there's a part of me that thinks that if the Spurs are to pursue a player on the Warriors' roster, Troy Murphy would be the most logical fit. That would assume, of course, that Murphy could be available, which I doubt. Dunleavy strikes me as a longer version of Brent Barry without the great stroke from behind the arc. Maggette is intriguing, but: (1) he's not really either a long 3 or an athletic 4; and (2) he's a guy who would demand the basketball a lot, which would take too many touches away from Duncan, Parker, and Ginobili. For that matter, Murphy brings the 2nd problem as well.

Again, there's a reason that Pop identified the need as a Derrick McKey-type. It's all about a defensive-minded, long, athletic player who can be efficient on the offensive end and content to be a relatively minor offensive contributor.

[SenorSpur]

I think a long 3 is Josh Howard, Tayshaun Prince, James Posey... your short 3's are Bowen, Adrian Griffin, etc.

I'm not a Spurs fan, but what would a Corey Maggette or Mike Dunleavy do for you?

Spurs could've had Josh Howard, but.......

Don't get me started on that one again.

[texas84]

Spurs could've had Josh Howard, but.......

Don't get me started on that one again.

I won't. The Mavs made a great pickup that day, no regrets from Mavs fan from that year's draft.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

I think a long 3 is Josh Howard, Tayshaun Prince, James Posey... your short 3's are Bowen, Adrian Griffin, etc.

I'm not a Spurs fan, but what would a Corey Maggette or Mike Dunleavy do for you?

Dunleavy is a nice player.

He's on Baron Davis's shit list, which sucks because...he's the point guard.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

Many teams "could've had Josh Howard".

[Nikos]

I don't think of Howard as long, but Prince is sort of the prototype for the sort of player we've been discussing here for a couple of years.

The need for a long 3 may be eliminated by a decision to pursue some athletic 4-types. To that end, there's a part of me that thinks that if the Spurs are to pursue a player on the Warriors' roster, Troy Murphy would be the most logical fit. That would assume, of course, that Murphy could be available, which I doubt. Dunleavy strikes me as a longer version of Brent Barry without the great stroke from behind the arc. Maggette is intriguing, but: (1) he's not really either a long 3 or an athletic 4; and (2) he's a guy who would demand the basketball a lot, which would take too many touches away from Duncan, Parker, and Ginobili. For that matter, Murphy brings the 2nd problem as well.

Again, there's a reason that Pop identified the need as a Derrick McKey-type. It's all about a defensive-minded, long, athletic player who can be efficient on the offensive end and content to be a relatively minor offensive contributor.


How about Hedo as the Derrick Mckey?

[NCaliSpurs]

Hedo wasn't half bad defensively and could rebound a little bit. But he didn't show in '04. Not a good way to get traded for, again. You might say Robert Horry also didn't show and still managed a great '05 showing, and I would say that Hedo is no Horry.

[FromWayDowntown]

How about Hedo as the Derrick Mckey?

Been there and done that. Hedo isn't a defensive minded player and he has shown us already that he needs shots to be an effective offensive player. Frankly, I think the Spurs are looking for someone who does more of the little things than Hedo does.

[SPARKY]

Been there and done that. Hedo isn't a defensive minded player and he has shown us already that he needs shots to be an effective offensive player. Frankly, I think the Spurs are looking for someone who does more of the little things than Hedo does.

Hedo worked defensively because of his size at the 2. He wasn't a bad defender, but I wouldn't expect him to do that well at the 3 and 4.