KG to SAC?

[TheSanityAnnex]

KG to SAC? (http://www.draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=1341','31') <<<Click here.


Can't copy and paste, sorry.

Seems like they are giving up a lot to get him. Who would play center for the Kings? KG?

I'd do it in a heartbeat, but would Minny?

[davi78239]

What are they giving up?

[TheSanityAnnex]

19th pick, Brad Miller, Kenny Thomas, and a newly signed and traded Bonzi.

I've heard other rumors similar to this but it included a four team trade sending KG to Sac.

[pussyface]

...you guys could be the new '02 Minnesota Twolves.

[Amarelooms]

19th pick, Brad Miller, Kenny Thomas, and a newly signed and traded Bonzi.

I've heard other rumors similar to this but it included a four team trade sending KG to Sac.

Wow that does seem like a bunch. But honestly Miller and Thomas are just role players. 19th pick in this years draft...yawn. Wells played well in the playoffs but dude is not going to bring it like that most games.

[picnroll]

Why would the Pups make that trade? To guarantee suckage for the foreseeable future?

[TheSanityAnnex]

I'm trying to imagine the Starting lineup. Seems like that is soooooo much to give up for one dude. Although, it is KG.

PG: Bibby
SG: Martin
SF: Artest
PF: Garnett/SAR
C: ??????/Garnett

[atxrocker]

...you guys could be the new '02 Minnesota Twolves.


:lol :lol whatever, dude. we get a kg/artest/bibby core and we will be dangerous. however, i do agree to an extent about kg's ability to win. i would make this trade happen. i heard a similar trade that would replace bibby with bonzi to minni... not sure i would pull the trigger on that one.

[TheSanityAnnex]

But honestly Miller and Thomas are just role players.
As much as I personally hate Miller................name five better centers.

[atxrocker]

I'm trying to imagine the Starting lineup. Seems like that is soooooo much to give up for one dude. Although, it is KG.

PG: Bibby
SG: Martin
SF: Artest
PF: Garnett/SAR
C: ??????/Garnett

i was thinking the same thing, honestly. i dunno.. the guy can be a beast and puts up the numbers, but can he win?

[TheSanityAnnex]

. i heard a similar trade that would replace bibby with bonzi to minni... not sure i would pull the trigger on that one.
The whole reason of getting KG would be to pair him with Bibby. So, yeah, I'd say no to that one as well.

[picnroll]

Giving up so much? Miller who has demonstratd twice that he is a eunuch come playoff time. Bonzi who the Kings may not be able to retain anyways as a FA, and the albatross of Kenny Thomas's contract. Sounds like a total BS rumor.

[Texas_Ranger]

If SAC will not have Brad Miller they will not have a good center, that would be a problem.

[pussyface]

...go get the Candy Man. he can be your answer at center.
Throw him out there and we got us one hell of a twolves squad suiting up in norcal.

[TheSanityAnnex]

If the Kings were to offer Bibby instead of Bonzi, I think it would make more sense for Minnesota and they may just bite.

Bibby, Miller, and KT for Kevin Garnett and Hudson?

Artest, Wells, Garnett, Hudson, Sign Pryzbilla with the MLE.

Bench of Martin, Garcia, SAR, Price.....................doesn't sound to bad.

[Stances]

I say sign Ben Wallace if they dont have no solid Center. Big Ben and KG omg I can only wish. :angel

[DirkAB]

I say sign Ben Wallace if they dont have no solid Center. Big Ben and KG omg I can only wish. :angel

At age 32 it will be interesting to see what kind of contract Wallace recieves, some poor team might end up screwing themselves. I think the guy has hit the downslope of his career and he will probably be looking for a 6-7 year deal for big money. Detroit really might want to strongly consider saying goodbye to Ben.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

As much as I personally hate Miller................name five better centers.
Shaq, Dalembert, Curry, Camby, Wallace

[greywheel]

I was determined to beat their copy/paste protection. So, I viewed the source code and found this (I cleaned up the tags):


Garnett to Sacramento? A trade rumor that has been gaining some steam since the conclusion of the NBA pre-draft camp, this potential trade would send the disgruntled Kevin Garnett to Sacramento in return for whoever Minnesota wants with the #19 pick, Brad Miller, Kenny Thomas, and a newly signed and traded Bonzi Wells.

[DirkAB]

Shaq, Dalembert, Curry, Camby, Wallace

Dalembert and Curry? Get real. Especially Dalembert, he sucks bigtime.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Shaq, Dalembert, Curry, Camby, WallaceShaq and Wallace I'll give you. But Wallace only because I believe a Center should be a better on defense than offense. Brad's offense for a Center is comparable to Wallace's defense. Almost a wash but I give the nod to Wallace.

The others you've pointed out, nope. Its not even close. Almost laughable. :lol Check the stats.


Miller's stat line for the season.
15.0 pts, 7.8 rbs, 4.7 ast, .7 blk


Camby's stat line
12.8 pts, 11.9 rbs, 2.1 ast, 2.4 blk


Dalembert's stat line
7.3 pts, 8.2 rbs, .4 ast, 1.9 blk


Curry's stat line
13.6 pts, 6.0 rbs, .03 ast, .78 blk
=======================================

Now at first glance, one would look at Camby's stats and go oh shit, he's way better than Miller. But one also has to realize for his nine years in the league, Camby has averaged around 50 games a season. The most he's ever played is 72 games, and has played 29 games in consecutive seasons. The guy is a walking emergency room. He is not reliable so the nod goes to Miller.

The other two don't even need to be discussed. The numbers simply show that.


I'm really surprised you didn't mention Yao Ming.


My top five centers in order are:

Shaq
Wallace
Yao
Miller
Camby

[picnroll]

Shaq, Howard, Kaman, Camby, Wallace, Yao. I'd prefer all of them to Miller.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Shaq, Howard, Kaman, Camby, Wallace, Yao. I'd prefer all of them to Miller.
Ah yes, I forgot about Kaman. Dude is a stud.

[TheSanityAnnex]

But honestly Miller and Thomas are just role players.
Picnroll-

My comparisons were merely based on Amarelooms calling Miller a role player. He is near the top of the league talentwise at his position. Hardly what one would consider a "role player".

[DirkAB]

Shaq, Howard, Kaman, Camby, Wallace, Yao. I'd prefer all of them to Miller.

Howard is a PF, and before anybody lists him so is Amare.

[picnroll]

Howard is a PF just like Duncan is a PF with Horry on the floor. The future of the Magic is Howard and Darko. Howard will likely be the de facto center. If not then call Darko a center and in truth I'd prefer Darko to Miller. Miller is broken down half the season and he's easily bottom 1/4th defensively. Not to mention the major testicular atrpohy he suffers come playoff time.

[DirkAB]

Howard is a PF just like Duncan is a PF with Horry on the floor. The future of the Magic is Howard and Darko. Howard will likely be the de facto center. If not then call Darko a center and in truth I'd prefer Darko to Miller. Miller is broken down half the season and he's easily bottom 1/4th defensively. Not to mention the major testicular atrpohy he suffers come playoff time.

Darko is not better than Miller, maybe he will be, but it's not even close now. You saying that Miller is hurt a lot when you just got done listing Camby? Come on admit it, Miller is a top 5 center in the NBA, which isn't saying much these days, but still he is.

[picnroll]

Top 5 to you not to me. To me he has three major problems 1) his defense sucks and he's a mediocre rebounder, 2) as a big he's not a low post player and 3) he is often injured and I think he's wearing down. This is not even mentioning that he was a no show in the last two playoffs. Playoffs are when you step up against the elite and the elite put the real pressure on so his no showing is a major negative. Camby is oft injured too but I prefer his skill set and have more confidence he'll show up and have a significant impact at nut cutting time.

I like Darko's potential better than Miller's established and like I said Darko will function more as the PF eventuallly, he's the one developing the outside shot whle Howard's is more of a low post game.

[JamStone]

Timberwolves don't ship KG to Sacramento in that proposed deal. It would take a deal including Bibby or Artest and probably multiple draft picks, not just the 19th pick in a pretty weak draft.

Brad Miller is a bubble top 5 center. But, in today's NBA in which more and more teams are playing two power forwards, that's not saying much.

[picnroll]

Yeah, the number five center in today's NBA would be about the number 15 - 20 in the NBA of the Robinson, Hakeem, Mourning, Ewing, Shaq era. Rik Smits would be easily top 5 if he were playing today

[DirkAB]

I like Darko's potential better than Miller's established and like I said Darko will function more as the PF eventuallly, he's the one developing the outside shot whle Howard's is more of a low post game.

Inside outside game doesn't really determine a players position anymore, Miller plays outside and is still a center. Robinson and Duncan, who played the lowpost position in that lineup? Yet, who was considered the center?

I can't stand Miller anymore, but that doesn't mean that I don't realize that he's a top 5 center. I'd also rather have Darko, but that doesn't mean he currently ranks ahead of Miller.

[picnroll]

Whose rank? Everyone has their own. You and I apparnetly have Darko ranked ahead of Miller in terms of who we'd rather have.

[DirkAB]

Whose rank? Everyone has their own. You and I apparnetly have Darko ranked ahead of Miller in terms of who we'd rather have.

But we are basing that on potential, not what he has proven. Miller is proven that he can average 15,8,5 consistantly. He is on the bubble but he is definitely right there.

I'd rather have at least 10 other players playing center instead of Miller (and a lot of them aren't even centers), but that is mainly based on potential and personal preference of skill set. I don't know if Okur is really a center but I'd rather have him playing center for the Kings than Miller. I'd also take Nazr over Miller, but Miller is probably worth more to most teams in the league and has more trade value.

[picnroll]

Okur is a somewhat soft center who can at times play like a real center. Between Nazr and Miller I think I'd rather have neither.

In Stern's new era where perimeter defense is being outlawed teams will pay a heavy price for slow, unathletic big men like Miller.

[ABDENOUR POWER]

That trade won't hapen because Bonzi is going to Detroit. :spin

[DirkAB]

That trade won't hapen because Bonzi is going to Detroit. :spin

He's never had a big payday, so he'll be looking to make some money this offseason, and his value his fairly high after having a trouble-free season and a great showing in the playoffs, you won't be able to afford him after throwing too much money away on Ben Wallace. He won't take the paycut that it would require Detriot to land him.

[sickdsm]

That second trade is alot better for the wolves than the first.


If Hudson is starting at PG, i think you'r in trouble. Bad contract too, unhealthy body.


But i think if anyone is going to ever get KG, whether it be now or in 3 years i think it will have to include a bad contract.

[TheSanityAnnex]

If the Kings have to use Bibby to land KG, I would go after Sam Cassel for a two year contract. He said that is all he wants from the Clippers. Plus, Sam's leadership qualities may ease tensions between an Artest/Garnett duo.

[kingsfan]

^ You want us to get the alien?http://spurstalk.com/forums/images/smilies/smirolleyes.gif

[ABDENOUR POWER]

He's never had a big payday, so he'll be looking to make some money this offseason, and his value his fairly high after having a trouble-free season and a great showing in the playoffs, you won't be able to afford him after throwing too much money away on Ben Wallace. He won't take the paycut that it would require Detriot to land him.

Stop thinking so much.

He's going to Detroit.

:spin

[picnroll]

sickdsm would you be willing to blow up the Wolves, do KG to the Bulls for ther 2nd this year and the NY 1st next year plus maybe a young talent like Gordon? That would give the Pups two high lottery picks this year and, since they'll suck next year, two high picks next year and two shots at Oden or worse case Durant or Noah.

[MrChug]

As much as I personally hate Miller................name five better centers.

Shaq
Yao
Ilgauskas
Ben Wallace
Marcus Camby
...hell, I'll even throw in a Mehmet Okur and even Chris Kaman for good measure.

There CAN'T be much argument there, can there???????? :king

[kingsfan]

After Brad's performance in the PO's I'd trade him for just about anything.

[atxrocker]

After Brad's performance in the PO's I'd trade him for just about anything.

indeed.

[NBA Junkie]

If the Wolves make this trade, I'm boycotting the NBA and the Wolves for good.

In a nutshell, this trade proposal sucks. Miller is not a good inside scorer, Wells is a notorious cancer in the lockerroom and this years draft features no impact players that will help the team right away.

For the umpteenth time- Garnett is not leaving Minnesota.

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

Camby has way more impact than Miller. Their stats arent all you can go by

Camby alters so many shots, shuts down the inside on a regular basis and grabs heaps of boards. He is the key cog in the Nuggets fastbreak points.

Id never trade Camby for Miller. 60 games of Camby is worth more than 80 games of Miller

[leather_jerk]

Miller isn't a top 5 center, and he isn't on the bubble, unless its a big ass bubble

In no real order

Shaq, Wallace, Yao, Kaman, Mourning, Camby*

Centers that are close, getting the nod (from me) over Miller:

Krstic, Mihm, Granpa Mutombo

*miller misses a ton of time too, especially towards the end of the season. this season is an anomaly. actually, i'd rather have him riding the pine injured than pulling 3 rebs a game in the playoffs

[atxrocker]

Miller isn't a top 5 center, and he isn't on the bubble, unless its a big ass bubble

In no real order

Shaq, Wallace, Yao, Kaman, Mourning, Camby*

Centers that are close, getting the nod (from me) over Miller:

Krstic, Mihm, Granpa Mutombo

*miller misses a ton of time too, especially towards the end of the season. this season is an anomaly. actually, i'd rather have him riding the pine injured than pulling 3 rebs a game in the playoffs

that list is ridiculous. a lakers fan who ranks mihm at all is pretty original. mihm is a piece of shit soft player and has been since his days playing college ball at ut. lets see, you also take mourning, camby, kristic and mutombo off that list too and then it looks more realistic. thanks for the laugh though.

[himat]

As much as I personally hate Miller................name five better centers.

Ben Wallace
Shaq
Yao
Ilgauskas
Kaman
Camby

[atxrocker]

Ben Wallace
Shaq
Yao
Ilgauskas
Kaman
Camby

ben wallace had as much impact during these playoffs as miller: zero.

as for Iigauskas, nah. camby is good and i could see how he could be on this list but one could certainly argue he is not better.

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

ben wallace had as much impact during these playoffs as miller: zero.

as for Iigauskas, nah. camby is good and i could see how he could be on this list but one could certainly argue he is not better.


how many 20/20 or 30/20 games has Miller had in his career?

[atxrocker]

how many 20/20 or 30/20 games has Miller had in his career?

why? whos name that i mentioned being questionable averages that?

[TheSanityAnnex]

how many 20/20 or 30/20 games has Miller had in his career?
How many total games has Camby played in his career over his nine year span?








I'm not saying Camby isn't more talented, but the dude is CONSTANTLY INJURED.

[NuGGeTs-FaN]

why? whos name that i mentioned being questionable averages that?

you said people could argue Miller is better than Camby but i think there is no way anyone could. Ive seen Miller play and he cant defend a fly or grab a board from a 10 year old.

Camby is much better than Miller, no possible argument against it

[TheSanityAnnex]

Camby is much better than Miller, no possible argument against it
No one is arguing that. Camby has to be on the court though, that seems to be his only weakness.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Back to the topic at hand:

Found this on the board I was kicked off and he makes some good points............

xyrin
Junior Member

Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 12

It actually makes a lot of sense. This is what I posted in the topic on the personnel board:


Posted by Xyrin:
Some things to consider about the trade

- Garnett has a no-trade clause in his contract, meaning he can say no to any trade. Garnett wants to be on a winning team, and after this trade, the Kings have plenty of pieces left to become a contender (Artest, Bibby, SAR, Kevin Martin). Most trades with KG and other teams involve giving up most of the team for KG, like Chicago. He wants to be on a winning team, not a team where he is the only option left after the trade. This trade might not be the BEST deal, but it might be the best that is possible.

- McHale is looking BAD as the General Manager, and wants to win ASAP so he isn't fired. Why trade KG for parts that might be better in 2-4 years when there could be a different GM? He will want to go for a trade that will make the Wolves better NOW so that he can redeem himself.

- If they alter the trade (and they will have to for the salaries to work), the TWolves can get rid of their bad contracts (Blount, Hudson, Jaric) for expiring contracts from the Kings (Corliss, Vitaly, and Hart).

- This news is coming from Jonathan Givony, who is the president and founder of DraftExpress. The guy rarely makes trade rumors, as he is a draft expert. Why would he make a trade rumor if drafting is his specialty, and why would he risk his credibility as the president of DraftExpress?

If you look into this, it actually can make A LOT of sense for both teams. Kings become a contender, and the TWolves have a chance for a brighter future by unloading contracts and receiving three legitimate starters.

[Kori Ellis]

This news is coming from Jonathan Givony, who is the president and founder of DraftExpress. The guy rarely makes trade rumors, as he is a draft expert. Why would he make a trade rumor if drafting is his specialty, and why would he risk his credibility as the president of DraftExpress?

Just FYI ...

He got fired from another draft site for completely fabricating stuff about an agent. The agent threatened to sue the site (DraftCity, which was a huge draft site at the time associated with RealGM) and Jonathan was let go.

http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:Vcb9Qt0jYVYJ:draftcity.com/index.php+jonathan+givony+draftcity&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1

I'm not saying this KG rumor is true or not. I actually like Jonathan's work but he does have some credibility issues.

[Leetonidas]

As much as I personally hate Miller................name five better centers.

Shaq
Yao
Ben Wallace
Chris Kaman
Dwight Howard
Zydrunas Illgauskas
Tyson Chandler
Emeka Okafor
Alonzo Mourning
Marcus Camby
Nenê Hilario
Jeff Foster

There's probably more

[Winnipeg_Spur]

This makes no sense. If the Wolves are ever going to trade Garnett you can bet it'll involve some young talents, so they can build for the future. What's the point of trading Garnett for a bunch of decent vets? They won't be any better in the short term or the long term.

Also if you're going to sign and trade Wells, he would have to actually want to go to Minnesota and I really doubt he wants to play there, especially WITHOUT Garnett.

[Sense]

Shaq
Yao
Ben Wallace
Chris Kaman
Dwight Howard
Zydrunas Illgauskas
Tyson Chandler
Emeka Okafor
Alonzo Mourning
Marcus Camby
Nenê Hilario
Jeff Foster

There's probably more

Not Nene nor Foster.....

[Mavtek]

The others you've pointed out, nope. Its not even close. Almost laughable. :lol Check the stats.


Miller's stat line for the season.
15.0 pts, 7.8 rbs, 4.7 ast, .7 blk


Camby's stat line
12.8 pts, 11.9 rbs, 2.1 ast, 2.4 blk



My top five centers in order are:

Shaq
Wallace
Yao
Miller
Camby

I'd still take Camby and I don't think it's at all laughable, 50 games with those numbers would be dynomite!

[Mavtek]

The 5 centers I'd take would be Shaq, Camby, Howard, Stoudamire(he does play center for Phoenix), Yao, Wallace, Okafor, Okur when Boozer is healthy plays center, whoops that's more than 5 sorry.

[Bob Lanier]

Duncan, Yao, Diaw, Shaquille O'Neal, Camby, Ben Wallace, Kaman, Howard, Mourning, Curry, Dampier, Chandler, Boozer...

I'd rather have Brendan Haywood or Theo Ratliff on my team than Brad fucking Miller.

I'd even give Kwame Brown or Samuel Dalembert near even odds against that slow, soft, injury-prone "All-Star".

[DirkAB]

Since when is Carlos Boozer a center? Or a lot of these guys.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

I'd do it.

It makes Sac an instant threat in the West now.

+Bibby
+Artest
+KG
+Whoever
+Miller


That's not a bad lineup at all.

Between KG and Artest...they could guard just about any position on the floor.

[RON ARTEST]

this would be a great trade.

[NBA Junkie]

Too bad it'll never happen.

[texas84]

As much as I personally hate Miller................name five better centers.

Well, strictly centers... Shaq, Yao, Kaman, Wallace, Krstic

[TDMVPDPOY]

did rasho post up better playoff stats this season then miller? :D:D rasho>miller

[TheSanityAnnex]

This makes no sense. If the Wolves are ever going to trade Garnett you can bet it'll involve some young talents, so they can build for the future. What's the point of trading Garnett for a bunch of decent vets? They won't be any better in the short term or the long term.
The Bulls have the young talent to trade, but can Minnesota fans sit around for another two years and handle sucking again? Bibby/Miller/KT/19th or Bonzi/Miller/KT/19th gives them a decent product to put on the floor. Contenders? No, but at least more watchable then they have been.

McHale needs a quick fix. He is on thin ice. He also doesn't want to build some young team only to have it given to the new GM when he's fired.

[VLADIE_FAN21_POSSE]

This is a done deal.

Take it to the bank..... I guarantee it…

My sources inside the Kings org have told me and me alone it is almost done

My personal contacts inside the Maloof family have verified it as well...

Three bee reporters told me the same when we did lunch and the gypsy women told my momma if I rub my lucky rabbit foot and lucky squirrel foot every night for a week it will be so...

[RON ARTEST]

Too bad it'll never happen.
your team will suck either way so it doesnt really matter. :lmao

[NBA Junkie]

Garnett or no Garnett, the Kings are just one Artest meltdown away from having another ruined season.

Take that to the bank, my friends!

[RON ARTEST]

Garnett or no Garnett, the Kings are just one Artest meltdown away from having another ruined season.

Take that to the bank, my friends!
talk to me when your team gets some talent, your gm sucks. :lol

[TheSanityAnnex]

This is a done deal.

Take it to the bank..... I guarantee it…

My sources inside the Kings org have told me and me alone it is almost done

My personal contacts inside the Maloof family have verified it as well...

Three bee reporters told me the same when we did lunch and the gypsy women told my momma if I rub my lucky rabbit foot and lucky squirrel foot every night for a week it will be so...You do have a good track record right? Didn't you predict the Musselman hiring?


And don't lie about the rabbit and squirrel feet, you know you cooked those up last night along with that fish you speared in your creek.

[DirkAB]

Garnett or no Garnett, the Kings are just one Artest meltdown away from having another ruined season.

Take that to the bank, my friends!

Like you wouldn't love to have Artest on the Wolves, it's OK you can admit it. It's not like the Wolves have established themselves as a team of character, two of the biggest malcontents of the decade have played for them in the last couple of years, Sprewell and now "Wrong-way" Ricky Davis. You stay classy Timberwolves.

[NBA Junkie]

Like you wouldn't love to have Artest on the Wolves, it's OK you can admit it. It's not like the Wolves have established themselves as a team of character, two of the biggest malcontents of the decade have played for them in the last couple of years, Sprewell and now "Wrong-way" Ricky Davis. You stay classy Timberwolves.

I may be a T-Wolves fan, but I was no fan of Davis or Sprewell. Both are notoruious for being cancers in the locker room and not the types of players I wanted on this team. As for Artest, I don't think I'd want him as he's the same disruptive presence that Davis and Sprewell are. All might be fine and good for now in Kings town, but what happens when the initial honeymoon period wears off? Year #1 in Minny looked good for Spree, but look what happened in year #2 after he scoffed at the contract extension that the Wolves offered him.

But, who knows? It could very well work out for Artest in Sacto. I recall Chris Webber being a malcontent earlier in his career, but turned things around after he accepted Sacramento and his trade there.

And, Artest, you're right about McHale- he is a joke. Unfortunately, the only person in Minny who thinks highly of McHale is Wolves owner Glen Taylor. :rolleyes

If McHale can pull off some type of trade that actually helps KG in Minny this offseason, all could be forgiven. I'm not holding my breath. :madrun