Now This Is Pathetic.............

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Look at this article from HoopsWorld.com about Ben Wallace:

Ben Wallace (unrestricted) – There are two prevailing thoughts regarding Ben – one is that he does not like Flip Saunder’s system, and that he has decided to explore life elsewhere, the other is that Ben’s standoffish approach is more playing the cards to insure he gets a maximum contract. Its highly unlikely the Pistons let Ben walk, especially over money – but there are more than a couple of NBA sources who say its not a leap to believe the Pistons let Ben’s people shop him out and establish his value and make their decision from there. A source close to the Spurs said that if Ben wants to a Spur, they would answer that phone call – a deal sending Rasho Nesterovic and Manu Ginobili, gets the money right for Ben, but would such a package interest the Pistons enough to move their best defensive player?- HoopsWorld.com

Now that is just bullcrap. This is now the "Tell Off Hoopsworld For Their Lame Ass Staff" Thread.

[MadDog73]

Maybe Rasho and Nazr... hell, send them Oberto, too.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Nazr and Oberto and 2-3 picks for Wallace then Rasho to Jazz for Jarron Collins.

[Pistons < Spurs]

Rasho and Manu for Ben? No thanks. We'll keep Ben!

[Old School Chic]

They can have Rasho... Manu we keep!

[angel_luv]

They can't have Rasho... Manu we keep!


Fixed. :angel

[K-State Spur]

Rasho and Manu for Ben? No thanks. We'll keep Ben!

good luck finding any spurs fans who would trade manu for ben straight up.

[ShoogarBear]

http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/fifa/gen/xp/20060506/i/3552464030.jpg

Did Menudo reunite?

[1Parker1]

Where do these rumors come from? I am 99.9% sure that Pop would never even think of trading away Manu...even for Ben Wallace.

[Darrin]

Look at this article from HoopsWorld.com about Ben Wallace:

Ben Wallace (unrestricted) – There are two prevailing thoughts regarding Ben – one is that he does not like Flip Saunder’s system, and that he has decided to explore life elsewhere, the other is that Ben’s standoffish approach is more playing the cards to insure he gets a maximum contract. Its highly unlikely the Pistons let Ben walk, especially over money – but there are more than a couple of NBA sources who say its not a leap to believe the Pistons let Ben’s people shop him out and establish his value and make their decision from there. A source close to the Spurs said that if Ben wants to a Spur, they would answer that phone call – a deal sending Rasho Nesterovic and Manu Ginobili, gets the money right for Ben, but would such a package interest the Pistons enough to move their best defensive player?- HoopsWorld.com

Now that is just bullcrap. This is now the "Tell Off Hoopsworld For Their Lame Ass Staff" Thread.

What's wrong with that deal? :lol

Honestly, because of Flip's system, I would do it. Rasho has played for Flip before, and a 3-guard rotation of Manu, Chauncey, and Rip? Beautiful.

It's really not that bad for the Spurs, either. The Spurs get a defensive force in Ben Wallace they haven't had at that center spot since David Robinson. And there's more than enough shooting guards out there that can be replaced. If Tony Parker hadn't emerged earlier this season, I wouldn't do that trade from a Spurs standpoint. This gives cap relief, and sets up a situation where San Antonio is able to contend immdiately, with salary cap relief down the pike.

[rayray2k8]

Look at this article from HoopsWorld.com about Ben Wallace:

Ben Wallace (unrestricted) – There are two prevailing thoughts regarding Ben – one is that he does not like Flip Saunder’s system, and that he has decided to explore life elsewhere, the other is that Ben’s standoffish approach is more playing the cards to insure he gets a maximum contract. Its highly unlikely the Pistons let Ben walk, especially over money – but there are more than a couple of NBA sources who say its not a leap to believe the Pistons let Ben’s people shop him out and establish his value and make their decision from there. A source close to the Spurs said that if Ben wants to a Spur, they would answer that phone call – a deal sending Rasho Nesterovic and Manu Ginobili, gets the money right for Ben, but would such a package interest the Pistons enough to move their best defensive player?- HoopsWorld.com

Now that is just bullcrap. This is now the "Tell Off Hoopsworld For Their Lame Ass Staff" Thread.
Then you need to stop going there man.
99.9 percent of what they say there is complete bullshit anyway. :rolleyes

[GrandeDavid]

I think Manu is almost untradeable. He's such an icon among San Antonio fans worldwide. You love his winning attitude, toughness and class. I would NEVER do that deal if I were the Spurs. That's a joke to me.

[GrandeDavid]

Now if Manu were to become an unproductive icon, well its a business...

[Leetonidas]

If Pop wasn't going to trade Manu for Tracy McGrady two years ago, he's not going to trade him now for Ben Wallace.

[J.T.]

Oh damn, this sucks. Anyone know where I can preorder a Manu Pistons jersey now? :lol

[Bruno]

If Ben doesn't want to re-sign with Detroit, Pistons will get nothing near the level of Ginobili (if they get something). The best thing to do for Detroit is to try to re-sign Ben.

[zeleni]

I think Pop would like the deal.

Manu would be in the east and San Antonio would have the weapon to go against and frontcourt anywhere. Pop would then coach only the young backcourt of potential PGs and rotate Barry, Finley, Bowen, Saunders at SF and SG. Not a bad deal.

Tim would have his team back and TP and TD could be primadonnas again. Personaly this is where we have the problem. Duncan wants to win and that means not to play against Manu.

Rasho and Manu in Detroit. Hours of fun just thinking about the plays that Detroit team could win with sober Rasheed and aggresive Manu. Personaly i think the trade wouldn't change the game of either teams. Detroit would still have the problem of a weak coach. Spurs would still want some veteran around Tony Parker running the ball where something gets ugly. But Spurs would, I would bet, deal with Parker issue a lot better.

[MoSpur]

No way. The Spurs would not send Manu to the Pistons. Manu does too many intangibles. Its not just the scoring. Its so much more. There isn't another player in the league like Manu. There are better scorers and better offensive players than Manu at his position, but none of those does the things Manu does.

[dmac]

http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/fifa/gen/xp/20060506/i/3552464030.jpg

Did Menudo reunite?

:rollin


nice!

[SenorSpur]

Agreed. If Ben can be had for a combination of players including Rasho, Oberto and anyone else not named Duncan, Parker Ginobili, Bowen or Finley, then it would make sense.

Notice I didn't include Barry. I'm saving him for the J.R. Smith deal.

[ChumpDumper]

If Ben doesn't want to go back to Detroit, why would we just give them Manu as a thank you gift? We'd be taking a step back to 2002 while giving Detroit a free pass to the finals for the next four years.

[Oh, Gee!!]

I'll start growing the 'fro.

[T Park]

rotate Barry, Finley, Bowen, Saunders at SF and SG. Not a bad deal.


oh god, no thank you.

What are you drinking....

[MoSpur]

Manu is not an ordinary two guard. He is so different from a lot of players. He made a dumb mistake, but I'd still want him as a Spur. Ben is a free agent. He can sign anywhere he wants. The Spurs don't have to give up anything to acquire him. However, they can do a sign and trade to relieve themselves of some contracts.

[pache100]

I think Manu is almost untradeable. He's such an icon among San Antonio fans worldwide.

That has never kept the Spurs (or any other team that I know of) from trading anyone if they thought it was the best strategic and financial move for the team.

I would love to have Ben Wallace on this team. I think playing for Pop would be an eye-opening and humbling experience for him (don't misunderstand, I'm a BIG Ben fan, but he has never played for anyone like Pop...LB doesn't count). I think he would be successful here. I think the fans (and the team) would love it. But, from a strictly personal standpoint...there's not a Spur that they would take, that I'm willing to give up for him.

[MadDog73]

That has never kept the Spurs (or any other team that I know of) from trading anyone if they thought it was the best strategic and financial move for the team.

I would love to have Ben Wallace on this team. I think playing for Pop would be an eye-opening and humbling experience for him (don't misunderstand, I'm a BIG Ben fan, but he has never played for anyone like Pop...LB doesn't count). I think he would be successful here. I think the fans (and the team) would love it. But, from a strictly personal standpoint...there's not a Spur that they would take, that I'm willing to give up for him.

As Chump Dumper mentioned, they may not have a choice.

Who did LA get for Shaq again?

[pache100]

As Chump Dumper mentioned, they may not have a choice.

Who did LA get for Shaq again?

All I was saying is that whether they do/don't trade (whatever they do), it won't be based on what the fans think or want. The NBA is a business. They don't care what us peons want.

[Trainwreck2100]

For the love of God, IT'S FROM HOOPSWORLD. These are the same people that said MAlone was going to be a Spur.

[Bruno]

Link to the article :
http://www.hoopsworld.com/article_17765.shtml

BTW, this article is another proof of the low quality of some articles on this website : this guy doesn't even know the CBA.


The Timberwolves are not out of the hunt, they are one of the few teams that could offer Marcus more than the $5 plus million per year he’d receive in a median exception deal.



And this deal is horrible for San Antonio : Don't forget that Ben Wallace is a unrestricted free agent, he isn't under contract with Detroit. Detroit won't get something great for him in a S&T if he doesn't want to play for Detroit next year (see what Boston get for Walker last summer).

[polandprzem]

Ben for MLE :lol

[Spurs Dynasty 21]

Look at this article from HoopsWorld.com about Ben Wallace:

Ben Wallace (unrestricted) – There are two prevailing thoughts regarding Ben – one is that he does not like Flip Saunder’s system, and that he has decided to explore life elsewhere, the other is that Ben’s standoffish approach is more playing the cards to insure he gets a maximum contract. Its highly unlikely the Pistons let Ben walk, especially over money – but there are more than a couple of NBA sources who say its not a leap to believe the Pistons let Ben’s people shop him out and establish his value and make their decision from there. A source close to the Spurs said that if Ben wants to a Spur, they would answer that phone call – a deal sending Rasho Nesterovic and Manu Ginobili, gets the money right for Ben, but would such a package interest the Pistons enough to move their best defensive player?- HoopsWorld.com

Now that is just bullcrap. This is now the "Tell Off Hoopsworld For Their Lame Ass Staff" Thread.



damn I hope this happens

[z0sa]

I would really hate to lose Manu... but Ben Wallace as a Spur? We would definitely be the best defensive team in the league. Tim would reform to a more 2003 MVP role, with Tony the second leading scorer. I could see this being very good... but still, Manu not a spur? =(

[tim_duncan_fan]

I would do this trade in a heartbeat.

[itzsoweezee]

HELL NO

parker, ginobili, duncan = untouchable

[FUCKMARKCUBAN]

if i were in charge of the spurs....that trade would never happen. ginobili is a spur till death!

[SPARKY]

Still, if all the Spurs are offering back is Radoslav or Mohammed back in a S&T I think the Pistons tell Ben 'it's been nice'...

[exstatic]

Pop and RC are WAAAAAAAY to smart to take on a MAX contract for a 32 YO one way interior player. After two years, you could kiss the Tim Duncan era goodbye, because we'd never be able to sign anyone to anything but minimum contracts. That contract would be an albatross, which is why Wallace hired an agent: Detroit doesn't really want to do it, either.

[SequSpur]

the spurs don't need an out of control control guard as much as they need help for duncan down low

[furry_spurry]

Manu and Rasho will be making a combined $15,500,000 next season- like the Spurs would give Ben Wallace anything close to that!!

[Darrin]

Manu and Rasho will be making a combined $15,500,000 next season- like the Spurs would give Ben Wallace anything close to that!!

4-years, 62-million dollars? You can't see Ben Wallace having that kind of an impact on the Spurs? It's better to pay Rasho Nesterovic and Nazr Mohammad a combined 12.2 million this season?

[furry_spurry]

Try more like 4 years and $71,000,000 with the built-in raises-- and you really think he only wants a four year deal?

[Winnipeg_Spur]

I've seen Wallace phone in performances too often (in the playoffs no less) to give up Manu for him. No thanks.

[Darrin]

I've seen Wallace phone in performances too often (in the playoffs no less) to give up Manu for him. No thanks.

I about fell out of my chair after reading that. Ben Wallace phoning it in...

[Darrin]

Try more like 4 years and $71,000,000 with the built-in raises-- and you really think he only wants a four year deal?

He won't get more than 4 years here unless he takes a significant paycut. 4 years allows him to make more money over the long-term because 15 million a season is pushing it at 36, but it's unacceptable at 38, 39.



Short memories. I remember a certain Spurs center making 14 million at 36-years-old, and that was five years ago.

[Obstructed_View]

Fuck Ben Wallace. Flip doesn't even want him. I wouldn't trade Manu for him straight up.

[Darrin]

Flip doesn't even want him. I wouldn't trade Manu for him straight up.

That's because Flip doesn't know how to utilize him; he's not a Larry Brown disciple. Who was Gregg Popovich so close to? I can't put my finger on his name. :smokin I wouldn't trade him straight-up for Manu, either. The Pistons do need a replacement at center, and Rasho has been successful in Flip's system before (11.2 ppg, 6.5 rpg, and 1.51 bpg for 50-32 Minnesota Timberwolves in last year).

[Darrin]

A defensive force on the back on the frontline with Tim Duncan. That's great. There's a big man who can change up weak-side and man-on-man. He can switch the pick and roll, crashes the offensive boards (led the league last year), creates cleaner looks at the basket by sealing off defenders, and would be a larger offensive threat around the rim with the double-teams on Duncan, the penetration of Parker, and spot-shooting by Bowen.

This solves a huge area of concern for the Spurs and leaves them the MLE to pursue a man like DeShawn Stevenson or Speedy Claxton. Brent Barry and Michael Finley are still on the roster - capable trade bait that can either hold down the fort in Manu's place or land someone more in Manu's style. Overall, at every position, the Spurs get better defensively.

Wallace isn't just capable, he's also Championship experienced. He's played for similarly-demanding coaches in Rick Carlisle and Larry Brown.

[Obstructed_View]

A defensive force on the back on the frontline with Tim Duncan. That's great. There's a big man who can change up weak-side and man-on-man. He can switch the pick and roll, crashes the offensive boards (led the league last year), creates cleaner looks at the basket by sealing off defenders, and would be a larger offensive threat around the rim with the double-teams on Duncan, the penetration of Parker, and spot-shooting by Bowen.

This solves a huge area of concern for the Spurs and leaves them the MLE to pursue a man like DeShawn Stevenson or Speedy Claxton. Brent Barry and Michael Finley are still on the roster - capable trade bait that can either hold down the fort in Manu's place or land someone more in Manu's style. Overall, at every position, the Spurs get better defensively.

Wallace isn't just capable, he's also Championship experienced. He's played for similarly-demanding coaches in Rick Carlisle and Larry Brown.
You want Manu so bad you can taste it.

[orhe]

haha lol

let's do that deal...
that deal would haunt us... who the fuck would guard manu if we play the spurs? bruce? then who would guard rip... the moment manu gets his drive going duncan can't do shit (check olympics)

[angel_luv]

Manu and Rasho will be making a combined $15,500,000 next season


Wow! Nice job guys! :)

[MrChug]

Manu's untouchable. Period.

[Bruno]

4-years, 62-million dollars? You can't see Ben Wallace having that kind of an impact on the Spurs?

Ben will be BYC : you can get Manu and Rasho for him even with a $62M/4 years trade.



It's better to pay Rasho Nesterovic and Nazr Mohammad a combined 12.2 million this season?

Pointless : Nazr won't be a Spurs next year.



Short memories. I remember a certain Spurs center making 14 million at 36-years-old, and that was five years ago.

:lmao
Short memories. I remember Spurs giving that amount for a way better player than Wallace.


I wouldn't trade him straight-up for Manu, either

You can't trade Wallace. He isn't a Piston anymore.
Manu for Wallace is a steal for the Pistons because Ben Wallace is an unrestricted free agent.


In case Ben Wallace doesn't want to re-sign with Detroit and want to sign with Spurs, a fair trade can be :

Spurs trade Barry + Rasho + Rights to Scola + 2007 first round pick for Ben Wallace (S&T, $48M/4 years, $12M/year with no raise)

Pistons trade Ben Wallace for Rasho + Rights to Scola + 2007 first round pick

Charlotte trade nothing for Barry.

[polandprzem]

Charlotte trade nothing for Barry.

:lol

I'm sorry but :lol

:lmao

[furry_spurry]

In case Ben Wallace doesn't want to re-sign with Detroit and want to sign with Spurs...
Without Detroit's cooperation, Wallace gets the MLE. :lol

[Bruno]

Without Detroit's cooperation, Wallace gets the MLE. :lol

Except that Wallace can sign too with a team under the cap like Toronto or Chicago.
The way it works for an unrestricted free agent is quite different : it's either nothing or Spur's package.
See what Boston get for Walker to get a clue of UFA value in a S&T.

[Spurs Dynasty 21]

HELL NO

parker, ginobili, duncan = untouchable




that's why we won the title this year? :rolleyes

[Darrin]

You want Manu so bad you can taste it.

You know me so well.

Ben Wallace is my favorite player on the Pistons roster, and the system he's in - he's not being utilized. You'll notice that I've brought up Larry Brown and Gregg Popovich's relationship six or seven times. I don't want to see him go to the Bulls because I'd have to turn in my Ben Wallace fanclub card or my Detroit Pistons card, on top of which, I don't think he'd be very successful in Chicago. It reminds me of the Miami Heat's expectations of John Salley.

Also, Wallace would still be contending. I don't want him to play for a team that thinks making the Conference Finals is an achievement. I don't want him to join the contigent of exiled Pistons in New York. If he's going to leave the Pistons, I'd take a little comfort knowing that he'd go to a team that doesn't treat defense like a chore, and wouldn't be put-off by his quiet nature. Alabama is a hop, skip, and jump just like with Karl Malone when he considered the Dallas Mavericks a few years ago.

To be honest, I think Manu's a little erratic. He fulfills certain needs for this specific Pistons group, but I'm in no way drooling over Ginobili specifically.