Nightline Demolishes Anti-Kerry Swift Boat Story !!

[JohnnyMarzetti]

Anyone see Ted Koppel last night - he had O'Neill on the ropes. For those that missed it:


Nightline Demolishes Anti-Kerry Swift Boat Story


ABC News Nightline went to Vietnam and interviewed villagers who witnessed the firefight in February 1969 that led to John Kerry being awarded a Silver Star. The incident is a center piece of the allegations made by the so-called 'Swift Boat Veterans for Truth', whose leader John O'Neill has claimed that there was no firefight and that Kerry shot dead a fleeing teenager. Nightline's detailed interviews with the villagers, including former Viet Cong fighters who took part in the incident, verified Kerry's account of events. When confronted by Nightline's Ted Koppel, a clearly rattled O'Neill refused to address the content of the report. The entire Nightline report is HERE. (http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/Vote2004/story?id=166434&page=1)



At least some media outlets try to refute the repug lies and bring balance to reporting.

[Samurai Jane]

Not that it's relevant, but I read the story and none of those witnesses could confirm Kerry's account. Not exactly what I would call a demolition.

[Useruser666]

I'm not sure that the article you linked really refuted the swift boat story. I really take all of these "recolections" with a grain of salt. The testemony from the local villagers is also rather vague and doesn't really support either account of what happened that day. I also don't know how much faith you can put into these people, who were at the time, sworn enimies of the US. Either way, I don't believe the Swift boat issue is a key point of this election.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

So some commie villagers get a camera stuck in their face, get asked leading questions, ramble on about some firefight 30 years ago where they were probably more concerned with keeping their heads from getting blown off than seeing who was doing what, and that's supposed to trump 200+ Vietnam Vets, including one who was on Kerry's boat under Kerry's command.

Only a liberal could come up with logic like that.

[CosmicCowboy]

Nightline's detailed interviews with the villagers, including former Viet Cong fighters who took part in the incident, verified Kerry's account of events.

First Bin Laden and now the Viet Cong...damn...Kerry is really rackin up the support there... :lol

[Nbadan]

Nevermind that Kerry's own Swift Boat crewmates support John Kerry's story and that John O'Neill's story, on which the Swift boat lies are founded, has been contridicted by his own award report which said that they were under fire.

[JohnnyMarzetti]

Yeah, but those that support Kerry are not worthy veterans in the eyes of conservatives.

[Samurai Jane]

I never said that...

However, you guys are saying that veterans that don't support Kerry are not worthy and even worse, that they are liars.

[LandShark]

...you guys are saying that veterans that don't support Kerry are not worthy and even worse, that they are liars.
That's what they say about anyone who is not a Kerry supporter.

[Spurminator]

Still don't give a fuck, and neither do undecideds.

[JohnnyMarzetti]

That's what they say about anyone who is not a Kerry supporter.

And that's what you all call anyone who is not a Bush supporter.
Calling them "unpatriotic" or "traitors". :rolleyes

[Samurai Jane]

And that's what you all call anyone who is not a Bush supporter.
Calling them "unpatriotic" or "traitors". :rolleyes

Nope, those words have never crossed my lips or out of my keyboard.. I think some of you don't have a clue why you are supporting Kerry (still waiting for an answer on that from a few days ago), but I never said that made you traitors.

[JohnnyMarzetti]

I'm voting for Kerry because he is the better candidate.
The same reasons you are voting for Bush may apply to why I am voting for Kerry.
No matter what reasons we have for supporting Kerry you will not agree.
So why should I bother?
Perhaps you are the one who is clueless.
I'm not going to get "scared" into voting for Bush.

[Nbadan]

'He makes me feel safe' is no real reason to vote for W, especially since he's put us in more of a position to be attacked than ever, but yet many people will believe it cause they have been lied too and scared to death about Al-Queda by talk radio and FOX news

[ClintSquint]

Voting for Bush scares the hell out of me.

[Samurai Jane]

I'm voting for Kerry because he is the better candidate.
The same reasons you are voting for Bush may apply to why I am voting for Kerry.
No matter what reasons we have for supporting Kerry you will not agree.
So why should I bother?
Perhaps you are the one who is clueless.
I'm not going to get "scared" into voting for Bush.


Because he is the better candidate

Based on????



No matter what reasons we have for supporting Kerry you will not agree.

How will you know that if you don't give one single credible reason??


I'm not going to get "scared" into voting for Bush

Oh ok, guess I left that off my list of why I'm voting for him... I'm shaking in my boots all the way to the polls... :rolleyes

[JohnnyMarzetti]

Kerry has a better plan for healthcare.
Better plan for social security.
Better plan for creating jobs.

Give me one credible reason for voting for Bush?
He's increased spending and the deficit.
He is the first president in over 70 years to lose jobs.

But yeah, he's the one I should vote for. :rolleyes

[Spurminator]

Any plan for Social Security that doesn't involve giving me the option of putting it where I damn well please is bullshit.

[JohnnyMarzetti]

That is what your 401K is for.
Social Security is not a retirement plan.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

yet many people will believe it cause they have been lied too and scared to death about Al-Queda by talk radio and FOX news

Lord knows that my concern over AQ is all based on Fox News, and nothing to do with what happened on 9/11, or in Kenya, or to the USS Cole, or in Asia, or... oops, it's all talk radio's fault.

Johnny, what's his plans for all that? He said in the third debate he had no plans to address social security.

Healthcare? His plan sucks. A country tried that once before - Russia. Didn't work. You know who else tried socialistic health care? England. Talk to anyone from England, they'll tell you their health care systems sucks ass.

Creating jobs? What's his plan? I never heard one.

All I've heard from Kerry is "I have a plan" and "my name is not George Bush."

[Spurminator]

Maybe I wouldn't need a 401K if I had the money I've put into SS.

[JohnnyMarzetti]

Perhaps if Bush didn't run up the largest deficit your Social Security dollars would be safe.

Bush doesn't have any plan to create jobs other than "working hard" to try dupe you all some more.

[Spurminator]

Perhaps if I had control of my SS dollars, it wouldn't matter.

I was paying it under Clinton and I'm paying it under Bush. For the near future, it really doesn't matter to me where they go.

[JoeChalupa]

I don't give a crap about these hate ads from either side.
Both men served.
End of story.

[xrayzebra]

Kerry has a better plan for healthcare.
Better plan for social security.
Better plan for creating jobs.

Give me one credible reason for voting for Bush?
He's increased spending and the deficit.
He is the first president in over 70 years to lose jobs.

But yeah, he's the one I should vote for. :rolleyes


One credible reason for voting for Bush: He is not a fraud like Kerry.
Pure, simple truth. Kerry will whisper sweet nothings in your ear, till he
gets into your pants and then you got nothing but......well surely you
know the rest of the story. I mean he traded up in his marriage, didn't he?
:smokin :smokin :smokin :smokin :smokin :smokin

[Nbadan]

W is such a methodical liar he doesn't even know when he's lying any more. I honestly think he was serious when he said in the debate that he never claimed Bin Laden wasn't important even though its obvious he did. How can anyone take him seriously?

[2pac]

Kerry has a better plan for healthcare.
Better plan for social security.
Better plan for creating jobs.

What are these plans you believe in so much?

Guess what - the President doesn't create jobs unless he makes the government bigger.

Explain to me Kerry's plan for SS and healthcare and why that is better than Bush's plan.



He's increased spending and the deficit.

There is always a deficit during wartime and there is always a surplus during economic boom. When the economy starting falling off the tech boom in early 2000, we were destined for a recession, because the economy was artificially high.


He is the first president in over 70 years to lose jobs.

The unemployment rate for people over the age of 20 is below 4.5%. That is an amazing and great number, and a sign of a strong and growing economy after we learned from the mistakes of the tech boom.

[2pac]

Perhaps if Bush didn't run up the largest deficit your Social Security dollars would be safe.

Bush doesn't have any plan to create jobs other than "working hard" to try dupe you all some more.

The deficit and SS are two completely seperate entities. SS is safe until all the baby boomers retire and there arent enough people to support them. SS was a flawed plan and was based upon faulty logic. When it was started, the average age of death was right around when they start getting SS. People now live 20-30 years longer, and view it as a retirement plan, when it was only supposed to be a supplement.

If there were term limits, and politicians were doing what actually needed to be done instead of pandering to voting parties (AARP), SS would have been scrapped long ago like it should have been. It is pretty much the largest expenditure our government has, and we would all live better lives with that money back in our pocket. There needs to be incentives to save and prepare for retirement - but it should not be in the way that it is now.


Again - without creating new departments in the government, the President does not create jobs.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

W is such a methodical liar he doesn't even know when he's lying any more. I honestly think he was serious when he said in the debate that he never claimed Bin Laden wasn't important even though its obvious he did. How can anyone take him seriously?

Yeah, we all know Kerry has NEVER lied. Pot, meet kettle.

As for Bush's comment about Osama, as you so often scream at us YOU NEED TO LOOK AT THE WHOLE QUOTE AND TAKE IT IN CONTEXT.

I guess like everything else, it's only lying/unfair if Bush does it. If it's Kerry, it's just a case of being misunderstood/balanced.

BTW Dan, I saw last night you were still ducking the bet on the election, what's up with that? Chicken?