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xrayzebra
06-20-2006, 08:35 AM
Here you go folks. Something to get your teeth into this morning along
with your toast. The man makes some very good points. Like some on
this board who worry about the rain forest and drilling in the Gulf and
other places.


Why liberals fear global warming far more than conservatives do

By Dennis Prager

Jun 20, 2006

Observers of contemporary society will surely have noted that a liberal is far more likely to fear global warming than a conservative. Why is this?

After all, if the science is as conclusive as Al Gore, Time, Newsweek, The New York Times and virtually every other spokesman of the Left says it is, conservatives are just as likely to be scorched and drowned and otherwise done in by global warming as liberals will. So why aren't non-leftists nearly as exercised as leftists are? Do conservatives handle heat better? Are libertarians better swimmers? Do religious people love their children less?

The usual liberal responses -- to label a conservative position racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic or the like -- obviously don't apply here. So, liberals would have to fall back on the one remaining all-purpose liberal explanation: "big business." They might therefore explain the conservative-liberal divide over global warming thus: Conservatives don't care about global warming because they prefer corporate profits to saving the planet.

But such an explanation could not explain the vast majority of conservatives who are not in any way tied into the corporate world (like this writer, who has no stocks and who, moreover, regards big business as amoral as leftists do).

No, the usual liberal dismissals of conservatives and their positions just don't explain this particularly illuminating difference between liberals and conservatives.

Here are six more likely explanations:

-- The Left is prone to hysteria. The belief that global warming will destroy the world is but one of many hysterical notions held on the Left. As noted in a previous column devoted to the Left and hysteria, many on the Left have been hysterical about the dangers of the PATRIOT Act and the NSA surveillance of phone numbers (incipient fascism); secondhand smoke (killing vast numbers of people); drilling in the remotest area of Alaska (major environmental despoliation); and opposition to same-sex marriage (imminent Christian theocracy).

-- The Left believes that if The New York Times and other liberal news sources report something, it is true. If the cover of Time magazine says, "Global Warming: Be Worried, Very Worried," liberals get worried, very worried, about global warming.

It is noteworthy that liberals, one of whose mottos is "question authority," so rarely question the authority of the mainstream media. Now, of course, conservatives, too, often believe mainstream media. But conservatives have other sources of news that enable them to achieve the liberal ideal of questioning authority. Whereas few liberals ever read non-liberal sources of information or listen to conservative talk radio, the great majority of conservatives are regularly exposed to liberal news, liberal editorials and liberal films, and they have also received many years of liberal education.

-- The Left believes in experts. Of course, every rational person, liberal or conservative, trusts the expertise of experts -- such as when experts in biology explain the workings of mitochondria, or when experts in astronomy describe the moons of Jupiter. But for liberals, "expert" has come to mean far more than greater knowledge in a given area. It now means two additional things: One is that non-experts should defer to experts not only on matters of knowledge, but on matters of policy, as well. The second is that experts possess greater wisdom about life, not merely greater knowledge in their area of expertise.

That is why liberals are far more likely to be impressed when a Nobel Prize winner in, let us say, physics signs an ad against war or against capital punishment. The liberal is bowled over by the title "Nobel laureate." The conservative is more likely to wonder why a Nobel laureate in physics has anything more meaningful to say about war than, let us say, a taxi driver.

-- People who don't confront the greatest evils will confront far lesser ones. Most humans know the world is morally disordered -- and socially conscious humans therefore try to fight what they deem to be most responsible for that disorder. The Right tends to fight human evil such as communism and Islamic totalitarianism. The Left avoids confronting such evils and concentrates its attention instead on socioeconomic inequality, environmental problems and capitalism. Global warming meets all three of these criteria of evil. By burning fossil fuels, rich countries pollute more, the environment is being despoiled and big business increases its profits.

-- The Left is far more likely to revere, even worship, nature. A threat to the environment is regarded by many on the Left as a threat to what is most sacred to them, and therefore deemed to be the greatest threat humanity faces. The cover of Vanity Fair's recent "Special Green Issue" declared: "A Graver Threat Than Terrorism:

Global Warming." Conservatives, more concerned with human evil, hold the very opposite view: Islamic terror is a far graver threat than global warming.

-- Leftists tend to fear dying more. That is one reason they are more exercised about our waging war against evil than about the evils committed by those we fight. The number of Iraqis and others Saddam Hussein murdered troubles the Left considerably less than even the remote possibility than they may one day die of global warming (or secondhand smoke).

One day, our grandchildren may ask us what we did when Islamic fascism threatened the free world. Some of us will say we were preoccupied with fighting that threat wherever possible; others will be able to say they fought carbon dioxide emissions. One of us will look bad.

Dennis Prager is a radio talk show host, author, and contributing columnist for Townhall.com.

Copyright © 2006 Creators

Find this story at: http://www.townhall.com/opinion/columns/dennisprager/2006/06/20/201891.html

pussyface
06-20-2006, 11:59 AM
7.) The Left is on the side of science and research.

xrayzebra
06-20-2006, 12:06 PM
The left is on the side of the left. Go suck a lemon. I have no time for you today.

valluco
06-20-2006, 12:13 PM
Hey man, first of all I do worry about or environment and global warming and I am concerned about the threat of terrorism as well. But, why can't we take care of both problems xray? Does it really have to be one or the other? Why should it be a left or right issue. These things affect all of us around the world and not just Americans. But what can I expect from someone like you. Pull the apple pie out of your flag waving ass and look at the big picture man. Terrorism needs to be fought, but big business needs to be held accountable for what they do to the planet. The author of your little article is a fucking twat.

xrayzebra
06-20-2006, 12:39 PM
Hey man, first of all I do worry about or environment and global warming and I am concerned about the threat of terrorism as well. But, why can't we take care of both problems xray? Does it really have to be one or the other? Why should it be a left or right issue. These things affect all of us around the world and not just Americans. But what can I expect from someone like you. Pull the apple pie out of your flag waving ass and look at the big picture man. Terrorism needs to be fought, but big business needs to be held accountable for what they do to the planet. The author of your little article is a fucking twat.


Mister I have looked at the big picture. And you picture of the world is
small as a pin head. Enviornment my foot. Enviornment is your God. Not
mine. And I will wave my flag. Try it sometime.

turambar85
06-20-2006, 12:44 PM
The way I look at this global warming shit is that you should always err towards caution.

Sure, maybe you can argue that the science isn't perfect or indisputable. Well, if we accept it, and make some changes, not wholesale change, mind you, then the worst case scenario is we have slightly cleaner air and a little less profits....but we can always change that in the future.

If we deny its existence and continue down this path, the worst case is that it is correct, and our great-grandchildren suffer or die.

Also, look at what both sides have to gain. Both sides can use it for political purposes, so that is a wash, but conservatives gain money if they win...liberals gain nothing but smug satisfaction.

I know this may be a simplistic way of looking at things, but sometimes if science won't be wholly trusted we have to turn to other ways of thinking.

pussyface
06-20-2006, 12:44 PM
haha...anti environment...pro flag!
gotta love this guy.

"Enviornment my foot. Enviornment is your God. Not
mine."-xray

he also equates environmental conservationism with being the same as worshipping the environment as a diety.

back before the GOP morphed into its current bastardized form, CONSERVATIVES used to care about CONSERVING natural resources as well. It was a major staple of the Nixon platform for instance.

Again, this goes to you valuing the party over real conservative principal. I really pegged you on this in the "Deficit" thread you started. If you have any response at all, it would be much appreciated. Go ahead and check out Page 2 on that thread. I think my post describes where you are in life intellectually with devastating accuracy.

valluco
06-20-2006, 12:49 PM
haha...anti environment...pro flag!
gotta love this guy.

"Enviornment my foot. Enviornment is your God. Not
mine."-xray

he also equates environmental conservationism with being the same as worshipping the environment as a diety.

back before the GOP morphed into its current bastardized form, CONSERVATIVES used to care about CONSERVING natural resources as well. It was a major staple of the Nixon platform for instance.

Again, this goes to you valuing the party over real conservative principal. I really pegged you on this in the "Deficit" thread you started. If you have any response at all, it would be much appreciated. Go ahead and check out Page 2 on that thread. I think my post describes where you are in life intellectually with devastating accuracy.
Theodore Roosevelt ring a bell xray?

clambake
06-20-2006, 12:53 PM
What beverage will Bush be serving today, xray?

xrayzebra
06-20-2006, 01:04 PM
haha...anti environment...pro flag!
gotta love this guy.

"Enviornment my foot. Enviornment is your God. Not
mine."-xray

he also equates environmental conservationism with being the same as worshipping the environment as a diety.

back before the GOP morphed into its current bastardized form, CONSERVATIVES used to care about CONSERVING natural resources as well. It was a major staple of the Nixon platform for instance.

Again, this goes to you valuing the party over real conservative principal. I really pegged you on this in the "Deficit" thread you started. If you have any response at all, it would be much appreciated. Go ahead and check out Page 2 on that thread. I think my post describes where you are in life intellectually with devastating accuracy.

No you idiot. You and your bunch think we want to destroy the
environment. And your group wants to save it. Once again proving
how dumb you are. No one wants dirty water, wasted resources or
pollution. But we do want to exploit (that bad old word) what is there
for our use in a sound way without destroying everything. Those that
do not follow the rules, make them pay for it. You wouldn't know a
conservative if they came up and kissed you.

About my intellectual ability. I could care less what you think. My
opinion of you is about the same so there you go. Like I tell others,
be very careful you might hurt my feelings.

About deficit, I will get around to it when I have time.

Ocotillo
06-20-2006, 03:39 PM
No you idiot. You and your bunch think we want to destroy the
environment. And your group wants to save it. Once again proving
how dumb you are. No one wants dirty water, wasted resources or
pollution. But we do want to exploit (that bad old word) what is there
for our use in a sound way without destroying everything. Those that
do not follow the rules, make them pay for it. You wouldn't know a
conservative if they came up and kissed you.

About my intellectual ability. I could care less what you think. My
opinion of you is about the same so there you go. Like I tell others,
be very careful you might hurt my feelings.

About deficit, I will get around to it when I have time.


Aah, but you give the benfit of the doubt to the private industry that wants to exploit (your word) the environment and they will do it whichever way is cheapest for them. We want to ensure they keep conservation in mind and use the goverment to enforce it.

As Reagan once said, "Trust but verify"

xrayzebra
06-20-2006, 04:54 PM
Didn't I say, they mess things up, they pay the price. What part of that
don't you understand?

Trust but verify.......oh how nice. But how bout we let someone exploit what
we have. Then we can verify...........

By the way. Without private industry. You wouldn't have railroads,
cars, medicines, clothes, oil, ships in short, nothing.

Government is a non-profit industry. It provides nothing without you
and me and countless thousands like us. In short there is no government
without us.

RandomGuy
06-21-2006, 09:26 AM
Didn't I say, they mess things up, they pay the price. What part of that
don't you understand?

Trust but verify.......oh how nice. But how bout we let someone exploit what
we have. Then we can verify...........

By the way. Without private industry. You wouldn't have railroads,
cars, medicines, clothes, oil, ships in short, nothing.

Government is a non-profit industry. It provides nothing without you
and me and countless thousands like us. In short there is no government
without us.

There is no profit in running a police force, but we all benefit from it.

There is no profit in what the FAA does, but we all benefit from it.

There is no profit in running our courts but we all benefit from it.

Without government there IS no private industry. Somalia is a very good example. If you like no government intervention, try living there for a year and see if you still think that government is unnecessary.

Good government provides the medium in which industry is allowed to flourish. You need protection of property rights, the ability to enforce contracts and settle disputes, and physical and human infrastructure before any meaningful business activity can take place.

To take such a narrow view in looking at the government/private relationship is simply to demonstrate bad decision making: focusing on one small aspect of data at the expense of ignoring everything else.

There is indeed a symbiotic relationship between the two, but to say one can exist without the other is not entirely accurate, don’t you think?