San Antonio now 7th largest city in U.S.

[SA210]

San Antonio Moves Up On City Population List

LAST UPDATE: 6/21/2006 5:55:44 PM
Posted By: Michael Campion ([email protected])


Well San Antonio just keeps on growing, the list for the top-10 most largest cities in the United States is out and the Alamo City has moved up!

According to the U.S Census Bureau, San Antonio moved from number eight in 2004 to number seven in 2005.

There are now 1,256,509 people living in San Antonio, barley edging out San Diego by just 969 people. New York City tops the list with more than 8.1 million people. Los Angeles came in second with over 3.8 residents, followed by Chicago, Houston, Philadelphia, and Phoenix.

http://www.woai.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=9E26C307-2EC5-4447-994C-1DC09C7E4B1F

[jman3000]

:pctoss
Can't really say I'm happy about this. Although I reckon we're still in the high 20's when it comes to MSA.

[SA210]

Growth stretches areas of the Sun Belt
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/census/2006-06-21-census-figures_x.htm

Posted 6/21/2006 12:10 AM ET
By Haya El Nasser and Paul Overberg, USA TODAY

Americans' unquenchable thirst for more space and cheaper housing is creating another boom in parts of the Sun Belt and redrawing the map of the USA halfway through the decade.

The 2005 city population estimates released by the Census Bureau Wednesday show that growth is shifting from large central cities that grew rapidly years ago to smaller, outlying communities in California, Texas, Arizona and Florida.

"Smaller places are grabbing more than half the growth this decade," says William Frey, demographer at the Brookings Institution, a think tank. "It wasn't so in the 1990s."

Among the top gainers since 2000: Gilbert (near Phoenix), Miramar (Miami), Elk Grove (Sacramento), Rancho Cucamonga and Irvine (Los Angeles).

Elk Grove grew the fastest from July 1, 2004, to July 1, 2005: up 12%, to 112,338.

It's not clear whether more people are moving within their state or are flocking from other regions to more remote Sun Belt communities. Big cities such as Dallas and Phoenix are not growing as fast as in recent years.

Texas is scoring big. San Antonio has overtaken San Diego as the No. 7 city, at 1.26 million. Four of the seven fastest-growing cities that have populations above 500,000 are in Texas: Fort Worth, San Antonio, Austin and El Paso.

"Across Texas, we've seen a resurgence in the last two years," says Steve Murdock, Texas state demographer.

Fort Worth had the biggest gain among the nation's large cities from 2004 to 2005: up 3.5% to 624,067. San Antonio was fifth at 1.7%. Both grew at faster rates than Dallas and Houston.

"Dallas ... really has no place to grow," Murdock says. Fort Worth "still has substantial room for expansion. Same is true of San Antonio."

San Diego registered a 0.7% decline to less than 1.3 million from 2004 to 2005. State estimates, however, show the city still growing a little bit, says Beth Jarosz, analyst at the San Diego Association of Governments.

"Regardless, San Diego is growing extraordinarily slowly, and we think part of the reason is high housing prices," she says. "There's a shift away from expensive coastal areas. ... It takes a little bit of pressure off our housing market."

Other highlights:

• Washington had a 0.7% drop to 550,521, from 2004 to 2005. The nation's capital probably will slip below Nashville (549,110) and Las Vegas (545,147) by next year.

• Green Bay, Wis.; Erie, Pa.; Cambridge, Mass; and Berkeley, Calif., could slip under 100,000 by 2010.

• More cities with 100,000-plus residents shrank from 2004 to 2005 than in the previous year: 97 vs. 82. Costly coastal cities are among the new losers: New York, San Diego and Long Beach.

Frey says 20 cities went from loss to gain, including Indianapolis, Wichita, Jersey City and Fort Wayne, Ind.

[scott]

The growth in San Antonio and Texas in general make sense. I'd expect a continued influx of West Coasters who can cash out 1.5 mil of equity in their price inflated homes and come to San Antonio and buy a house 3 times as big for $300k.

[ShoogarBear]

Did you steal this post from an N'Sync forum?

[spurs=bling]

one day SA shall be my home.

[jman3000]

the growth is nice and all I guess, but 1604 is a parking lot in the morning and most of the growth the city is seeing is along 1604. Why 1604 is 2 lanes in most places and still has traffic lights in major junctions is beyond me. Growing pains is what I guess it amounts to, so I suppose it's for the better.

[exstatic]

Did you steal this post from an N'Sync forum?
Fuck, man. That shit's harsh. Still...
















:elephant :elephant :elephant :elephant

[braeden0613]

sa is growing fast but we are still 29th in metro...the stat that really matters

[tw05baller]

more proof california sucks

[atxrocker]

more proof california sucks


dude cali doesn't suck. whats your beef?

[ALVAREZ6]

sa is growing fast but we are still 29th in metro...the stat that really matters
You hit it on the head.




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_metropolitan_statistical_are as_by_population

[1Parker1]

Philly 5th largest. Great.

[ALVAREZ6]

World Metro populations:

http://www.answers.com/topic/list-of-metropolitan-areas-by-population


8. Buenos Aires :smokin

[tlongII]

Hot. Flat. Dusty.

[ShoogarBear]

Hot. Flat. Dusty.

Just like your women.

[tlongII]

Just like your women.


Nothin wrong with that.

[Jimcs50]

I used to like to go to SA, but it is too big, too crowded, crime is horrible and the traffic sucks.

I liked it better when it was the 12th largest city.

[SA210]

sa is growing fast but we are still 29th in metro...the stat that really matters
Well, I think, those other metro areas that get so much praise :rolleyes have pretty much grown to their capabilities;

Whereas San Antonio may be 29th metro, but We are the fastest growing big city in America with LOTS of room to grow, while the other metroplexes have pretty much maxed out or getting there, many are even declining.

So, I believe that alot of these Texas cities, like SA, Austin, El Paso which have exploded, will be the future, along with Dallas and Houston.

Texas will be the next Hollywood state and the next "California" and "New York" powerhouses someday.

Lots of room to grow in Texas, and it's happening.

The scary thing to me is, I believe San Antonio just got started.
Let's hope our city leadership keeps going where Hardberger leaves off.

[boutons_]

metro area population and per-capita income are the important numbers.

It looks to me that smaller Austin is much wealthier than SA.

[Dimm-O-Crap]

This town needs more dimm-o-craps.

[Buddy Holly]

metro area population and per-capita income are the important numbers.

It looks to me that smaller Austin is much wealthier than SA.

Not really.

San Antonio is larger and the numbers are murky because they're mixed with sections of the city that are poor.

Just look at The Shop at La Canteras trade area:

819,639 people with average household income : $72,959.

Being larger is the reason places like Phoenix or Las Vegas have such low per capitas or low household incomes.

It's pretty useless to use per capita or any type of those lists to judge a cities wealth.

Freakin' Knoxville has a higher per capita than Phoenix and SA. :lol

[jman3000]

Just look at The Shop at La Canteras trade area:

819,639 people with average household income : $72,959.


Where did you find that stat? I'm not sure how broad the trade area is, but I have a hard time believing that 80% of the San Antonio population is located within that sector of the city.

[Buddy Holly]

Where did you find that stat? I'm not sure how broad the trade area is, but I have a hard time believing that 80% of the San Antonio population is located within that sector of the city.

http://www.generalgrowth.com/properties/demoinfo.asp?smuid=744

They're trade area is everything north of 410 and between 35 to the east and 151 to the rest and up to Boerne to the north.

[SA210]

http://www.generalgrowth.com/properties/demoinfo.asp?smuid=744

They're trade area is everything north of 410 and between 35 to the east and 151 to the rest and up to Boerne to the north.
Wow, that is very interesting.

[jman3000]

hmmm... i'm thinking that 28,000 dollar per capita is what's should really be looked at. I'm no financial expert, and I know that side of town is prosperous, but some of the numbers don't make sense. I'm guessing that the trade area includes the majority of the hill country to the northwest and perhaps strecthing further northeast as well. It's the population numbers that perk my curiosity.

[jman3000]

bingo

[Buddy Holly]

hmmm... i'm thinking that 28,000 dollar per capita is what's should really be looked at. I'm no financial expert, and I know that side of town is prosperous, but some of the numbers don't make sense. I'm guessing that the trade area includes the majority of the hill country to the northwest and perhaps strecthing further northeast as well. It's the population numbers that perk my curiosity.

Per capita is a bogus number.

Why? Because a city can be the poorest place in america, not one single person could have a job, eeveryone could be homeless but if Bill Gates called it home the per capita would be higher than most other cities.

Look at Phoenix, would you call it poor? I wouldn't. Yet if we went by per capita, we would apparently.

[Buddy Holly]

Wow, that is very interesting.

Why is it interesting?

[SA210]

hmmm... i'm thinking that 28,000 dollar per capita is what's should really be looked at. I'm no financial expert, and I know that side of town is prosperous, but some of the numbers don't make sense. I'm guessing that the trade area includes the majority of the hill country to the northwest and perhaps strecthing further northeast as well. It's the population numbers that perk my curiosity.
The link has a map of the area.

Although the southside has been ignored far too long, I think it's on the right track now, and in the future will be like the northside. Toyota is here, and other things to come.

We'll get there. :tu

[SA210]

Why is it interesting?That SA is so underrated, but many don't know little facts like this. I just can't wait till the southside becomes like that as well.

[jman3000]

But Bill Gates already has an established fortune. I'm not sure what he makes annually now, but I'm sure it's in line with other highly paid ceo's... it might even be lower due to his already established position as richest man on earth. i could be a millionaire and not make a penny this year and i've contributed nothing to this years annual pci.

do they have a similar statistic for the brooks-city base region? (or whatever they call that now)

[jman3000]

the most impressive thing is that when you have demographic studies with such a high population involved, it's hard to dilute the information. Like if you did a study for just a particularly rich enclave in a city, you'd obviously have inflated numbers. That population number was pushing 1 million and that is very impressive to keep up the ahi to what it's at.

[Buddy Holly]

the most impressive thing is that when you have demographic studies with such a high population involved, it's hard to dilute the information. Like if you did a study for just a particularly rich enclave in a city, you'd obviously have inflated numbers. That population number was pushing 1 million and that is very impressive to keep up the ahi to what it's at.

That same trade area is said to add 100,000 within 5 years (more like 3 or 4).

I actually expect it to add more than that.

[SA210]

That same trade area is said to add 100,000 within 5 years (more like 3 or 4).

I actually expect it to add more than that.
The way things are going, I agree.
We gotta keep up the work on the Southside though.

[atxrocker]

who here thinks its possible that the san antonio area merge with the san marcos/austin/georgetown area? i could see it happening.. and if it ever does this would be a mean market to fuck with.

[jman3000]

who here thinks its possible that the san antonio area merge with the san marcos/austin/georgetown area? i could see it happening.. and if it ever does this would be a mean market to fuck with.

It's bound to happen. If they ever get some sort of light rail or at least a way for people to commute back and forth between austin and sa quickly it certaintly would be a step towards that. If you combine the 2 msa's i'd reckon you'd get a population approaching 4 million. which is only 3 or so million behind the the DFW msa.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

who here thinks its possible that the san antonio area merge with the san marcos/austin/georgetown area? i could see it happening.. and if it ever does this would be a mean market to fuck with.

I don't know if that would ever happen, but the growth would be massive for Texas State University. It'll be interesting as the admin was predicting 30K in two years. Plus, with going for the god-awful Hispanic Serving Institution status, a lot of people are going to be on the outs of State.

[Silver21_Black20]

The way things are going, I agree.
We gotta keep up the work on the Southside though.

The "new" Southside looks awesome.

[Buddy Holly]

which is only 3 or so million behind the the DFW msa.

A little less than two million actually.

[midgetonadonkey]

Fuck that. I say keep the Southside dirty. Let's keep the gringos away.

[jman3000]

The "new" Southside looks awesome.
This is a man's thread. Get out little girl.

[TxJudsonRocketTx]

I would kill myself if all of these pompous west coast people began moving to Texas and next thing you know it seems like you're in California. Same thing that happened to Phoenix I guess

[Silver21_Black20]

This is a man's thread. Get out little girl.

Then you should see yourself out of it too.

[SA210]

who here thinks its possible that the san antonio area merge with the san marcos/austin/georgetown area? i could see it happening.. and if it ever does this would be a mean market to fuck with.
I have predicted this many years ago. It's very possible, because we are all going at a fast rate.

One day, this will be true. Like Dallas/Fort Worth.

I moved here from Austin in 84.

We always took trips back to Austin to visit family and the ride to New Braunfels was long and I just remember alot of country.

That ride now, I see alot of business going on and the ride to New Braunfels isn't what it used to be.

Now when I get to Thousand Oaks and 35, I see a sign to New Braunfels that read like 15 miles or something like that. :lol

[jman3000]

Like I said when this thread first popped up, if SA doesn't get the 1604 situation fixed up then we're gonna be on our way to becoming another commuter hell. I always dreaded taking trips to houston because i knew what was going to happen. I get that same feeling when i get up to make the trek to utsa.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

I have predicted this many years ago. It's very possible, because we are all going at a fast rate.

One day, this will be true. Like Dallas/Fort Worth.

I moved here from Austin in 84.

We always took trips back to Austin to visit family and the ride to New Braunfels was long and I just remember alot of country.

That ride now, I see alot of business going on and the ride to New Braunfels isn't what it used to be.

Now when I get to Thousand Oaks and 35, I see a sign to New Braunfels that read like 15 miles or something like that. :lol

I know what you mean, kinda. Try making that drive once or twice a week for about two years recently. It got so I knew the trees and other quirky spots along I-35 from SA to SM.

[SA210]

SA/Austin and everything in between will be the future of America.

Mark my words.

[Buddy Holly]

This is the city population growth from 2000-2005 for Texas cities.

Top 20 gainers from 2000 to 2005:

1. San Antonio city, 101,134
2. Fort Worth city, 80,066
3. Houston city, 55,100
4. McKinney city, 40,511
5. Frisco city, 35,501
6. El Paso city, 33,516
7. Laredo city, 29,613
8. Arlington city, 27,983
9. Austin city, 26,692
10. Plano city, 25,975
11. Brownsville city, 24,328
12. Allen city, 24,134
13. Round Rock city, 23,705
14. Dallas city, 23,342
15. Cedar Park city, 21,018
16. Denton city, 20,778
17. Pearland city, 18,764
18. McAllen city, 16,568
19. Missouri City city, 16,409
20. Grand Prairie city, 16,275

[atxrocker]

I have predicted this many years ago. It's very possible, because we are all going at a fast rate.

One day, this will be true. Like Dallas/Fort Worth.

I moved here from Austin in 84.

We always took trips back to Austin to visit family and the ride to New Braunfels was long and I just remember alot of country.

That ride now, I see alot of business going on and the ride to New Braunfels isn't what it used to be.

Now when I get to Thousand Oaks and 35, I see a sign to New Braunfels that read like 15 miles or something like that. :lol


its unfortunate that this is the way you view this part of texas. since i am originally not from here i view it as a very progressive and cultured part of texas. austin is unique in the fact that it cannot be categorized by any pre-set stereotype of texas and is unique in that right now its the most educated texas city out there. these things should remain in its identity but i would absolutely love to see austin designed as part of the san antonio boundries in the future. i personally love san antonio and would love nothing better than this happening but I do hope it happens sooner rather than later.

[atxrocker]

SA/Austin and everything in between will be the future of America.

Mark my words.




:tu :tu

[jman3000]

I doubt that austin is #9 after that explosive growth it had during the early 00's

[Buddy Holly]

The "new" Southside looks awesome.

Yep.

A lot of things most people (northsiders) don't see that I do because I have lots of family on the south side, is things like the next gated communites going up on the southeast side near the Rigsby and 410 area or the 4 different highend apartment complexs going up just east of Goliad and Military Dr.

Also, a new 5 million dollar VIA HUb is going to be built near South Park Mall and hopefully jumpo start a light rail system.

[Buddy Holly]

I doubt that austin is #9 after that explosive growth it had during the early 00's

Tech bust.

Those are the census numbers.

Also, it wasn't their city numbers that were booming, it was their metro numbers.

And actually, Metro SA has been growing faster for the past few years as well.

The boom came and went.

Thank god SA has a very diverse economy.

[Buddy Holly]

San Antonio and New Braunfels are only 6 miles apart if you look at far northeast SA developments and southside New Braunfels.

The gap is closing quick.

Hell, Cibolo has nearly tripled its population since 2000.

[SA210]

San Antonio and New Braunfels are only 6 miles apart if you look at far northeast SA developments and southside New Braunfels.

The gap is closing quick.

Hell, Cibolo has nearly tripled its population since 2000.
Yea, it's amazing the difference from 20 years ago.

[ShoogarBear]

Per capita is a bogus number.

Why? Because a city can be the poorest place in america, not one single person could have a job, eeveryone could be homeless but if Bill Gates called it home the per capita would be higher than most other cities.


Um, no. Hard as it may be to believe, people have already thought of this.

That's why they usually use medians instead of means.

[1Parker1]

Um, no. Hard as it may be to believe, people have already thought of this.

That's why they usually use medians instead of means.

:lol I was just going to say, I didn't think Per Capita took the average since there would always be outliers that would skew the results....

[Extra Stout]

SA and Austin will always have ties, but they are never going to merge like DFW, any more than Chicago and Milwaukee will, or Sacramento and the Bay Area will, or Philadelphia and New York will.

[Extra Stout]

SA/Austin and everything in between will be the future of America.

Mark my words.
At least in terms of demographics, you're probably right.

[Kori's Big Sis]

The numbers all off by, my guess, about a couple hundred thousand, thats about how many illegals are there that didn't get counted!!

[SA210]

The numbers all off by, my guess, about a couple hundred thousand, thats about how many illegals are there that didn't get counted!!
T Park, is that you?

[Kori's Big Sis]

Nope, I'm Kori's sister.

[SpursWoman]

I know what you mean, kinda. Try making that drive once or twice a week for about two years recently. It got so I knew the trees and other quirky spots along I-35 from SA to SM.

:tu

I commuted to New Braunfels to work every day for 7 years .... I used to pass cows, for Pete's sake. :lol

I imagine they will be gone within the next 10-15 years. :depressed