Dwayne Wade is Better than Kobe Bryant

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That is all.

[strikemode14]

O...k?

[RON ARTEST]

That is all.
im glad that is all because its a very dumb thing to say. your name shouldnt be obstructed view it should be retarded view. hopefully you are joking.

[1Parker1]

:wtf

[Shank]

As much of a prick he is, Kobe is still better than Dwyayayayayne.

[RON ARTEST]

As much of a prick he is, Kobe is still better than Dwyayayayayne.
i love your avatar. i didnt notice it until just now. :lol

[Mavs<Spurs]

that is obvious.

down 13 in game 3 in the fourth quarter with 6 minutes 30 seconds left (in your season) and Wade dominates that game and puts the team on his back, helping them win 4 straight, scores almost 40 points a game during games 3,4,5 and 6, grabs a boatload of rebounds and dishes some dimes too.
One of the most amazing finals performances ever.

It's not exaggeration to say that was Jordanesque. To be the next Jordan, he needs to do it 6 more times. On the other hand, Jordan wasn't good enough to lead his team to become champions in only his 3rd year in the league at age 24?

[LEONARD]

Kobe's rape allegations caused him to lose a lot of respect in the eyes of the officials... (and fans everywhere)

Wade's respect is sky high...

I like Wade better...Kobe can eat $hit and die :fro

[RON ARTEST]

that is obvious.

down 13 in game 3 in the fourth quarter with 6 minutes 30 seconds left (in your season) and Wade dominates that game and puts the team on his back, helping them win 4 straight, scores almost 40 points a game during games 3,4,5 and 6, grabs a boatload of rebounds and dishes some dimes too.
One of the most amazing finals performances ever.

It's not exaggeration to say that was Jordanesque. To be the next Jordan, he needs to do it 6 more times. On the other hand, Jordan wasn't good enough to lead his team to become champions in only his 3rd year in the league at age 24?
jordan didnt have shaq in his third year either. dwyane will figure out how hard it is to have all the attention on him during games when shaq is gone.

[RON ARTEST]

Kobe can eat $hit and die :froi hate kobe but not that much. :lol

[MadDog73]

Who would you take right now if you were starting a team?

I'd take Wade over Kobe. Call me crazy, but Wade doesn't give up in a Game 7 to make a point.

[strikemode14]

Who would you take right now if you were starting a team?

I'd take Wade over Kobe. Call me crazy, but Wade doesn't give up in a Game 7 to make a point.


You mean the team gave up on Kobe. Kobe could have went for 50 and lakers still lose. Only difference it might be by only 15 instead of 25. The only way to beat Phx is to slow the game down and let the other guys get in the post and score and hope that motivates them to play D which didn't happen.

[Rip-Hamilton32]

wade..has better court vision then kobe and he is still very young..he might not be better now but just wait.

[Shank]

You've all been feeding off of the ESPN hype machine.

As much as I dislike Kobe for the way he carries himself and some of the off-court issues, he's still a better player on the court than Wade is. I can't believe that Wade wins one title, the national media is annointing him as the next Jordan and you guys are eating it up like this. If given the same opportunities, Kobe would have done the same things that Wade did in the Finals if not better. If Wade continues his play from the Finals into and through the next season, then it should be considered. But as it is now, and though it may not be by a large margin, Kobe is still the better player.

[atxrocker]

You've all been feeding off of the ESPN hype machine.

As much as I dislike Kobe for the way he carries himself and some of the off-court issues, he's still a better player on the court than Wade is. I can't believe that Wade wins one title, the national media is annointing him as the next Jordan and you guys are eating it up like this. If given the same opportunities, Kobe would have done the same things that Wade did in the Finals if not better. If Wade continues his play from the Finals into and through the next season, then it should be considered. But as it is now, and though it may not be by a large margin, Kobe is still the better player.


your just a hater. for me it doesn't have to do with the media hype. fuck that shit. its his 3rd year in the league. 3RD. shaq is on the decline. wade brought the heat back into this series on his own with amazing efforts. its not about me eating up shit anybody gots to say. im seeing this shit with my own eyes. if you cant give him his props and dues then your just a hater.

[RON ARTEST]

your just a hater. for me it doesn't have to do with the media hype. fuck that shit. its his 3rd year in the league. 3RD. shaq is on the decline. wade brought the heat back into this series on his own with amazing efforts. its not about me eating up shit anybody gots to say. im seeing this shit with my own eyes. if you cant give him his props and dues then your just a hater.
hes a great player and if i had to start a team right now i would pick him but kobe is the better player. you agree with that part right?

[MadDog73]

hes a great player and if i had to start a team right now i would pick him but kobe is the better player. you agree with that part right?

So, you're saying Kobe is the better player, but Wade is the best for the team?

I agree with that.

[atxrocker]

hes a great player and if i had to start a team right now i would pick him but kobe is the better player. you agree with that part right?


if im a gm, im stoked to have either guy on my team. both are crazy talented. on a different note, if im a player im hoping its wade on my team. its not a matter of whos better for me, just says alot that wade is a champ 3 years into the league and took out the potent mavs by willing miami to a title. i was very impressed to say the least.

[Texas_Ranger]

Kobe > Dwyane

That is all what can I say.

[Amare_32]

Wade unlike Kobe would be happy scoring 10 points if it means his team wins the game. Wade unlike Kobe will not stop scoring to prove a point.
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[Rip-Hamilton32]

lol you think that if kobe only had 10 ppg the lakers would have made the playoffs

[RON ARTEST]

Wade unlike Kobe would be happy scoring 10 points if it means his team wins the game. Wade unlike Kobe will not stop scoring to prove a point.
who told you wade would be happy scoring 10 points? did you watch the suns versus the lakers in the first round? he was happy scoring 20 points or less as long as it meant they won. and when it was time to take over he did it. i would love to see wade with the roster kobe had to work with.

[resistanze]

I love DWade, and he's impoving his jumphot. But tell me when he steps up his D & I'll agree.

[atxrocker]

I love DWade, and he's impoving his jumphot. But tell me when he steps up his D & I'll agree.


actually he is a decent defender right now and will only get better. in this sense he is definitely better than lebron, who has no D at all.

[ALVAREZ6]

your name shouldnt be obstructed view it should be retarded view.
:lol



for some reason, I agree

[RON ARTEST]

actually he is a decent defender right now and will only get better. in this sense he is definitely better than lebron, who has no D at all.
i never got to ask you this but why do you hate lebron so much? do you hate him as much as i hate wade because i cant stand how overdramatic he is when he falls down.

[Rip-Hamilton32]

lol..why do they always talk about wades flopping..i'd rather wade flop then jump in the crowd and beat up a fat guy

[Obstructed_View]

You've all been feeding off of the ESPN hype machine.

As much as I dislike Kobe for the way he carries himself and some of the off-court issues, he's still a better player on the court than Wade is. I can't believe that Wade wins one title, the national media is annointing him as the next Jordan and you guys are eating it up like this. If given the same opportunities, Kobe would have done the same things that Wade did in the Finals if not better. If Wade continues his play from the Finals into and through the next season, then it should be considered. But as it is now, and though it may not be by a large margin, Kobe is still the better player.
Well, Kobe did outscore your whole team. Wade just made them his bitch for four straight.

[1Parker1]

:lol Didn't Kobe outsocre the same Mavs team 63-62 after three quarters all on his own?

[atxrocker]

Well, Kobe did outscore your whole team. Wade just made them his bitch for four straight.


:lmao

[Shank]

Well, Kobe did outscore your whole team. Wade just made them his bitch for four straight.

Way to bring nothing to the conversation at hand.

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Way to bring nothing to the conversation at hand.
This from the guy who says Kobe's better because he won a title with a more healthy, younger, more dominant Shaq and far better role players.

Besides, you aren't here for the conversation anyway.

[jman3000]

Kobe has the better all around package. He's a streaky 3 point shooter ... but when he gets going he can rain them down like he's the best 3 pt shooter in the league. Wade is more of a slasher/midrange player while Kobe is a slasher/midrange/3 pt threat + he gives you an all nba level of defense (when he feels like it)

[1Parker1]

Kobe has the better all around package. He's a streaky 3 point shooter ... but when he gets going he can rain them down like he's the best 3 pt shooter in the league. Wade is more of a slasher/midrange player while Kobe is a slasher/midrange/3 pt threat + he gives you an all nba level of defense (when he feels like it)

:tu

[FUCKMARKCUBAN]

i like wade, but if we are choosing for our own teams id say kobe when he was in his 3rd yr.

[Holmes_Fans]

When dwade shows he can be good without shaq like kobe has, then you can make the comparison..

[atxrocker]

i like wade, but if we are choosing for our own teams id say kobe when he was in his 3rd yr.

based on what? wade has out performed kobe at this point of his respective career. compare kobes 19.9 ppg and 3.8 apg to wades 27.2 ppg and 6.7 apg and winning the title and i would have to go with wade easily.

[atxrocker]

When dwade shows he can be good without shaq like kobe has, then you can make the comparison..


dude shaq is on the decline. he is hardly a shell of the dominant player he was when he was by kobe's side. get real. dwayne alone brought his club back from the brink of elimination being down 0-2. hes a stud and if you deny it then you know nothing about basketball

[jman3000]

Wade is 24 in his 3rd year. Kobe was maybe 21. I don't think it's fair to compare them based on # of years they've been in the league. Compare their stats when they were both 24 and tell me whose stats are more impressive.

[mabber]

im glad that is all because its a very dumb thing to say. your name shouldnt be obstructed view it should be retarded view. hopefully you are joking.

:lol :lol :lol

[Holmes_Fans]

There is no way in hell the heat win the championship without Shaq. If he had been injured before the playoffs or even before the season and was out, the heat wouldn't of made it passed detroit if even making it to them.

[mabber]

You've all been feeding off of the ESPN hype machine.

As much as I dislike Kobe for the way he carries himself and some of the off-court issues, he's still a better player on the court than Wade is. I can't believe that Wade wins one title, the national media is annointing him as the next Jordan and you guys are eating it up like this. If given the same opportunities, Kobe would have done the same things that Wade did in the Finals if not better. If Wade continues his play from the Finals into and through the next season, then it should be considered. But as it is now, and though it may not be by a large margin, Kobe is still the better player.

I couldn't have said it any better, and I'm a much bigger fan of Wade than I am of Kobe.

[DirkAB]

Kobe has the better all around package. He's a streaky 3 point shooter ... but when he gets going he can rain them down like he's the best 3 pt shooter in the league. Wade is more of a slasher/midrange player while Kobe is a slasher/midrange/3 pt threat + he gives you an all nba level of defense (when he feels like it)


Better all around package my ass, he has yet to figure out how to be a team player, and I doubt he ever will. Team play is way more important than 3-point shooting. Plus, even though Kobe has more range he also settles for way too many outside shots, he shoots too many 3's and outside jumpers. Wade is a better player, Kobe is a better scorer.

[atxrocker]

Wade is 24 in his 3rd year. Kobe was maybe 21. I don't think it's fair to compare them based on # of years they've been in the league. Compare their stats when they were both 24 and tell me whose stats are more impressive.


actually, even with this perspective wade has more than held his own. at 24 kobe averaged 30 ppg and 5.9 apg in 41.5 mins compared to wades 27.2 and 6.7 in 37.9 mins i would still stick with wade

[DirkAB]

actually, even with this perspective wade has more than held his own. at 24 kobe averaged 30 ppg and 5.9 apg in 41.5 mins compared to wades 27.2 and 6.7 in 37.9 mins i would still stick with wade

Can you imagine how many more assists Wade would have if he had Shaq on his team in his prime???????

[mabber]

I'd take Kobe if I were putting together a team for next season and I'd take Wade if I were putting together a team for the next 10 years. All Wade is lacking is a little better defense, maybe a little better long range jumper and to perfect a fadeaway shot. He won't last long in this league playing like he does. Jordan & Kobe both realized that and perfected the fadeaway out of preservation and I'm sure Wade will as well.

[Winnipeg_Spur]

No question in my mind. Wade just got done carrying his team to a championship, so he's the best player in the league, at least right now. You play to win the game and that's what Wade did.

[atxrocker]

No question in my mind. Wade just got done carrying his team to a championship, so he's the best player in the league, at least right now. You play to win the game and that's what Wade did.



:tu :tu

[jman3000]

vbookie on why bakrid has such an attitude problem?

[strikemode14]

Wade unlike Kobe would be happy scoring 10 points if it means his team wins the game. Wade unlike Kobe will not stop scoring to prove a point.


Yeah you are right. Kobe would be unhappy scoring 10 points...You know why becuase that meant it was a 30 pt blowout and Phil just pulls Kobe out for the second half.

Kobe in the Suns series sacrificed his offense for the good of the team. As for Kobe not scoring in game 7 it was part of Phil's plan to get everyone involved.

[Lp26]

Kobe >>>> Wade

I'm not biased, I hate them both equally

[atxrocker]

Kobe >>>> Wade

I'm not biased, I hate them both equally


why? how? are there actual REASONS behind this or just blind hate?

[DirkAB]

vbookie on why bakrid has such an attitude problem?

What have I done to lead you to believe that I have an attitude problem? Is it because I responded to your post with a different point of view on this subject?

[Lp26]

why? how? are there actual REASONS behind this or just blind hate?

I dislike them both.

I just think Kobe is an all-around a better basketball player. He's a better defender, better long-range shooter, and he can do everything Wade does at the same if not higher level (slashing/mid-range game).

Wade gets turn-over happy when you put pressure on him (double/triple teams) which Kobe (w/o Shaq) faces all the time now and he's still able to be extremely effective. Kobe's also a better passer (when he chooses to pass)

Wade is a great basketball player, but his game is more flash then substance right now compared to Kobe's. I've seen Kobe make some really difficult shots. I've seen Wade make some as well, but more often than not i've just seen him at the free-throw line.

While they're both talented, Kobe's more fundamentally sound.

Ask me again in a few years, and i might have a different opinion

[DirkAB]

Kobe's also a better passer (when he chooses to pass)

Wade is a great basketball player, but his game is more flash then substance right now compared to Kobe's.

Are you joking? Because this really made me laugh, I just hope it was on purpose. Better passer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! More substance!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How much value do you put on playing a team game? I personally think it is one of the most, if not the most important aspect to having a winning team and a being a great player. Wade is unselfish, Kobe is not, period. Until Kobe proves he can play with anybody else or make anybody else a better player, then I really don't see how this is even a debate, unless you don't care about being a team player. I know that Kobe can do it, he did it for 5 games against the Suns, the question is will he do it.

[Tanya]

Wade is better NOW only because he's this year's champion.
He is not better than Kobe.
On the current laker team, Kobe had to face double even triple team EVERY game during both regular season and playoffs. Wade didn't. Yes, Shaq is not his old self, but Wade is obviously on a better team than Kobe's this year. Therefore, It's not a fair comparison.

[awmyplace]

Wade is better NOW only because he's this year's champion.
He is not better than Kobe.
On the current laker team, Kobe had to face double even triple team EVERY game during both regular season and playoffs. Wade didn't. Yes, Shaq is not his old self, but Wade is obviously on a better team than Kobe's this year. Therefore, It's not a fair comparison.

Exactly!!!

[Lp26]

Are you joking? Because this really made me laugh, I just hope it was on purpose. Better passer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! More substance!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How much value do you put on playing a team game? I personally think it is one of the most, if not the most important aspect to having a winning team and a being a great player. Wade is unselfish, Kobe is not, period. Until Kobe proves he can play with anybody else or make anybody else a better player, then I really don't see how this is even a debate, unless you don't care about being a team player. I know that Kobe can do it, he did it for 5 games against the Suns, the question is will he do it.

His passing skill/ability is better. Notice how i said when he chooses to pass. Wade has trouble passing out of double teams and to be honest i dont remember him making many spectacular passes in general. Kobe's more skilled. Period.

This topic wasn't who's the better team player? It was who's better Wade or Kobe. As for having a winning team look at Wade's supporting cast, and Kobe's. Kobe was a "team player" in the Suns series and ultimately his team fell short, but they competed. He made them better. As for him making them a championship-caliber team, he's not god. His team (minus Odom) is awful.

Until Wade doesn't have Shaq, I don't see how this point is debatable.

[DirkAB]

His passing skill/ability is better. Notice how i said when he chooses to pass. Wade has trouble passing out of double teams and to be honest i dont remember him making many spectacular passes in general. Kobe's more skilled. Period.

This topic wasn't who's the better team player? It was who's better Wade or Kobe. As for having a winning team look at Wade's supporting cast, and Kobe's. Kobe was a "team player" in the Suns series and ultimately his team fell short, but they competed. He made them better. As for him making them a championship-caliber team, he's not god. His team (minus Odom) is awful.

Until Wade doesn't have Shaq, I don't see how this point is debatable.

This is a team game, so it is about who makes the biggest difference to a team, that is who is better. Kobe played team ball for five games, and you can't tell me that he did in game 6 or 7. He's not a god? Well that is true, but it didn't take a god to close out the Suns after they got up 3-1. I've seen Kobe on a "stacked" team, and he isn't as good of a player as Wade. And he probably does make fancier passes, which makes it even worse that he doesn't choose to play team ball because you know that he has all the ability in the world to do so.

[Spurologist]

When Wade gets three rings, I'll consider it.

[E20]

No.

[DirkAB]

When Wade gets three rings, I'll consider it.

By that line of thinking, Robert Horry is better than Kobe, but I know that isn't true. I don't think that Kobe can lead his team to a ring like Wade did, Kobe has yet to prove that he can win a ring without being the second fiddle. Maybe people should be comparing Kobe to Pippen.

[Lp26]

This is a team game, so it is about who makes the biggest difference to a team, that is who is better. Kobe played team ball for five games, and you can't tell me that he did in game 6 or 7. He's not a god? Well that is true, but it didn't take a god to close out the Suns after they got up 3-1.

The thing is it wasn't up to Kobe to close the series out. It was up to the Lakers. He played within the system for the most part, although i'll give you Game 7 (2nd half) where he threw a tantrum, but at that point the game had already slipped away. They were getting blown out. It was over. The only times i saw him try to take over is when his teammates could not do anything and he tried to put them on his back. I didn't see selfish Kobe in the majority of that series. It's not his fault the rest of the players choked. Had the roles been reversed, I don't really see Wade faring much better.


I've seen Kobe on a "stacked" team, and he isn't as good of a player as Wade.

I disagree with you.


And he probably does make fancier passes, which makes it even worse that he doesn't choose to play team ball because you know that he has all the ability in the world to do so.

I didn't mean spectacular passes as in fancy passes. I meant it as difficult passes, or passes that put other players in a good position.

You can find fault with Kobe's team play, but when it comes down to it, his team is just not that good.

As for Wade, he does alot of things that are not conducive to team-play. I can't tell you how many times Rip (who Wade was supposed to be guarding) scored b/c Wade is too busy whining at the other end about not getting a call. He also leaks out alot instead oftrying to rebounding which is why he's always miraculously on the other end to dunk if there's a turnover.

Point it, they both have their flaws.

Yes, basketball is a team sport, but i think Wade looks better b/c he just happens to be on a better team.

[RON ARTEST]

By that line of thinking, Robert Horry is better than Kobe, but I know that isn't true. I don't think that Kobe can lead his team to a ring like Wade did, Kobe has yet to prove that he can win a ring without being the second fiddle. Maybe people should be comparing Kobe to Pippen.
kobe is better at everything. whatever wade can do kobe can do better except rebounding. and even the rebounding is very close. kobe is helping "dwade" with his game this summer, not the other way around.

[DirkAB]

kobe is better at everything. whatever wade can do kobe can do better except rebounding. and even the rebounding is very close. kobe is helping "dwade" with his game this summer, not the other way around.


So Kobe plays as unselfish as Wade? News to me.

BTW, where did you hear that Kobe was helping Wade out this summer?

[RON ARTEST]

So Kobe plays as unselfish as Wade? News to me.

BTW, where did you hear that Kobe was helping Wade out this summer?
abc and espn. and wade said it himself, if that doesnt prove who the better player is then i dont know what does. unselfish? is wade unselfish because he averages 6 assists and kobe averages 4? because if thats your reasoning then your nuts.

[Spurologist]

By that line of thinking, Robert Horry is better than Kobe, but I know that isn't true. I don't think that Kobe can lead his team to a ring like Wade did, Kobe has yet to prove that he can win a ring without being the second fiddle. Maybe people should be comparing Kobe to Pippen.

That line of thinking comes from the fact that I already think Kobe is better than Wade. I am only adding the "3 rings" to the equation because I won't even compare him and kobe until he can get three rings. Don't read much into it.

Wade < Kobe

[atxrocker]

this whole argument is fuckin crazy. seriously, anyone who thinks otherwise if fuckin crazy. as it stands all you need to do for any sort of validation is compare their respective stats and surely you will see Wade is the victor. dont waste my goddamn time any further, please. thats all you are proving to be is a waste of fuckin time. get real and get a clue and you will see that you are just being absolutely ridiculous.

[RON ARTEST]

this whole argument is fuckin crazy. seriously, anyone who thinks otherwise if fuckin crazy. as it stands all you need to do for any sort of validation is compare their respective stats and surely you will see Wade is the victor. dont waste my goddamn time any further, please. thats all you are proving to be is a waste of fuckin time. get real and get a clue and you will see that you are just being absolutely ridiculous.
yeah but stats dont mean anything. lebron has better overall stats then kobe also but do you think lebron is better than kobe? i hope not.

[Spurologist]

this whole argument is fuckin crazy. seriously, anyone who thinks otherwise if fuckin crazy. as it stands all you need to do for any sort of validation is compare their respective stats and surely you will see Wade is the victor. dont waste my goddamn time any further, please. thats all you are proving to be is a waste of fuckin time. get real and get a clue and you will see that you are just being absolutely ridiculous.

Please don't own yourself on this board. It can get ugly

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/headToHeadResults?statsId1=3708&statsId2=3118&season=playoffs&view=regular

or you can change WADE to KOBE

[RON ARTEST]

Please don't own yourself on this board. It can get ugly

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/headToHeadResults?statsId1=3708&statsId2=3118&season=playoffs&view=regular

or you can change WADE to KOBE
damn kobe owns wade more then i thought. where are all the dumb heat fans now? click this link and you will see how wrong all of you were.

[E20]

If weren't for Dallas or any other team worrying about Shaq, there was no way Wade could have led his team to anything.

[atxrocker]

Please don't own yourself on this board. It can get ugly

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/headToHeadResults?statsId1=3708&statsId2=3118&season=playoffs&view=regular

or you can change WADE to KOBE

dude dont try to be a prick.. you want comparable stats..cool. i give you both age 24 statistics.. with the advantage going to kobe with more years in the league. here you go.. @ 24 kobe with 30 ppg on .451 fg shooting in 41.5 mins of action and 5.9 a.p.g with 6.9 r.p.g in 7 yrs in the nba at that stage in his career to wades 27.2 ppg in 38.6 mins pg on .495 shooting and 5.7 r.p.g nd 6.7 assists per game.. again i would much rather have dwayne 6 days a week and twice on sundays...

[E20]

dude dont try to be a prick.. you want comparable stats..cool. i give you both age 24 statistics.. with the advantage going to kobe with more years in the league. here you go.. @ 24 kobe with 30 ppg on .451 fg shooting in 41.5 mins of action and 5.9 a.p.g with 6.9 r.p.g in 7 yrs in the nba at that stage in his career to wades 27.2 ppg in 38.6 mins pg on .495 shooting and 5.7 r.p.g nd 6.7 assists per game.. again i would much rather have dwayne 6 days a week and twice on sundays...
IMO those stats don't help your arguement at all.

Kobe > Wade

[RON ARTEST]

dude dont try to be a prick.. you want comparable stats..cool. i give you both age 24 statistics.. with the advantage going to kobe with more years in the league. here you go.. @ 24 kobe with 30 ppg on .451 fg shooting in 41.5 mins of action and 5.9 a.p.g with 6.9 r.p.g in 7 yrs in the nba at that stage in his career to wades 27.2 ppg in 38.6 mins pg on .495 shooting and 5.7 r.p.g nd 6.7 assists per game.. again i would much rather have dwayne 6 days a week and twice on sundays...
i wanna see what wade does without shaq before i crown him better than kobe. kobe is putting up all of these number while getting double and tripple teamed while wade is mostly being guarded by one person. when shaq is gone wade will need to shoot better then 17 percent from the three point line and learn how to guard somebody.

[Obstructed_View]

i wanna see what wade does without shaq before i crown him better than kobe. kobe is putting up all of these number while getting double and tripple teamed while wade is mostly being guarded by one person. when shaq is gone wade will need to shoot better then 17 percent from the three point line and learn how to guard somebody.
Wade was guarded by one person in the finals? If you think that it proves you weren't actually watching. I started this thread just to kind of fuck with you but you keep coming up with reasons for me to defend Wade. It's funny how a slasher that plays alongside Shaq ends up being called the best young player in the game three times in a row. Surely that's not a coincidence.

[awmyplace]

Wade was guarded by one person in the finals? If you think that it proves you weren't actually watching. I started this thread just to kind of fuck with you but you keep coming up with reasons for me to defend Wade. It's funny how a slasher that plays alongside Shaq ends up being called the best young player in the game three times in a row. Surely that's not a coincidence.

Exactly!

[ALVAREZ6]

your name shouldnt be obstructed view it should be retarded view.


your name shouldnt be obstructed view it should be retarded view.


your name shouldnt be obstructed view it should be retarded view.


your name shouldnt be obstructed view it should be retarded view.


your name shouldnt be obstructed view it should be retarded view.


your name shouldnt be obstructed view it should be retarded view.




:lmao :lmao :lmao

[1Parker1]

The problem when it comes to comparing Kobe to any other NBA player (past or present) is that people often let his off court drama and personality diffuse his actual basketball talent. It's true that Wade single handedly won Miami the championship this season, yet you have to look at who they were playing. Dallas, for all their qualms about improving their defense is still an average defensive team at best. Even Kobe managed to outscore this Dallas team after 3 quarters all by himself.

If you look at the overall picture, I have to say that Kobe Bryant is the better player. He can defend, he can hit the 3 pointer, he can pass if he chooses to, and he can score 81 points at will if he chooses to. Wade showed his clutchness and drive in these last four games of the playoffs, however, people are forgetting that Kobe showed the same thing during the Lakers 3-peat run. I still remember those Spurs/Lakers playoff games where it was Kobe who hurt us even more than Shaq.

Bottom line, if I'm an opposing team and I have to deal with a "hot" Kobe vs. a "hot" Wade, I'd be more scared of Kobe.

[Sportcamper]

Dwayne Wade may be better than Kobe Bryant & Michael Jordan but no way is he better than Tony Parker!

[1Parker1]

:wtf Laker fans :rolleyes

[resistanze]

The problem when it comes to comparing Kobe to any other NBA player (past or present) is that people often let his off court drama and personality diffuse his actual basketball talent. It's true that Wade single handedly won Miami the championship this season, yet you have to look at who they were playing. Dallas, for all their qualms about improving their defense is still an average defensive team at best. Even Kobe managed to outscore this Dallas team after 3 quarters all by himself.

If you look at the overall picture, I have to say that Kobe Bryant is the better player. He can defend, he can hit the 3 pointer, he can pass if he chooses to, and he can score 81 points at will if he chooses to. Wade showed his clutchness and drive in these last four games of the playoffs, however, people are forgetting that Kobe showed the same thing during the Lakers 3-peat run. I still remember those Spurs/Lakers playoff games where it was Kobe who hurt us even more than Shaq.

Bottom line, if I'm an opposing team and I have to deal with a "hot" Kobe vs. a "hot" Wade, I'd be more scared of Kobe.


:tu

[Mavs<Spurs]

jordan didnt have shaq in his third year either. dwyane will figure out how hard it is to have all the attention on him during games when shaq is gone.


You don't think that all of the attention was focused on Wade.

Did you not watch the Finals?

Remember game 5 where they trade to guard Wade with 4 players and failed?


Wade averaged about 40 points a game in the last 4 games.

Shaq averaged 14 points and 10 boards a game. Pretty modest contribution.

Shaq<Kaman now.

[Mavs<Spurs]

The problem when it comes to comparing Kobe to any other NBA player (past or present) is that people often let his off court drama and personality diffuse his actual basketball talent. It's true that Wade single handedly won Miami the championship this season, yet you have to look at who they were playing. Dallas, for all their qualms about improving their defense is still an average defensive team at best. Even Kobe managed to outscore this Dallas team after 3 quarters all by himself.

If you look at the overall picture, I have to say that Kobe Bryant is the better player. He can defend, he can hit the 3 pointer, he can pass if he chooses to, and he can score 81 points at will if he chooses to. Wade showed his clutchness and drive in these last four games of the playoffs, however, people are forgetting that Kobe showed the same thing during the Lakers 3-peat run. I still remember those Spurs/Lakers playoff games where it was Kobe who hurt us even more than Shaq.




Bottom line, if I'm an opposing team and I have to deal with a "hot" Kobe vs. a "hot" Wade, I'd be more scared of Kobe.

Kobe did this when Shaq was his monstrous self. Now, he has been emasculated.

Wade won playing alongside a very average center. Kobe won and put up points alongside a monster.

Big difference.

[Mavs<Spurs]

When Wade gets three rings, I'll consider it.


When Kobe wins a ring with a very average to mediocre center, I'll consider your point.

Until then with very average, mediocre centers the score is

Wade 1 and Kobe 0

Or we can phrase it like this: how many Finals MVPs does Kobe have? How many will he ever have?

And he has been in the league a pretty long time already. Its the mileage not the years.

And he's a guard where quickness and athleticism are even more important.

[Mavs<Spurs]

The flash vs substance is funny:


who has the best midrange bank shot in the game?

It's Wade by a mile.

That's substance.

That's fundamental and consistent.

[TheSanityAnnex]

Kobe>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Wade



Kobe w/ teammates<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Wade w/ teammates

[Sportcamper]

The Fans Speak... (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2496823)

1.Dwyane Wade
2. LeBron James
3. Kobe Bryant :depressed
4. Allen Iverson
5. Shaquille O'Neal
6. Stephon Marbury
7. Tracy McGrady
8. Vince Carter
9. Carmelo Anthony
10. Dirk Nowitzki :lol

[Mavs<Spurs]

Kobe>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Wade



Kobe w/ teammates<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Wade w/ teammates


basketball is a team game and winning championships is the measuring stick and Wade was the Finals MVP and the reason why Miami won the Finals

with the Lakers when they won, it was not primarily because of Kobe and that's why Shaq got the MVP and not Kobe


Kobe was Robin and Shaq was Batman

Now,

Wade is Batman and Shaq is Robin.

[MadDog73]

The Fans Speak... (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2496823)

1.Dwyane Wade
2. LeBron James
3. Kobe Bryant :depressed
4. Allen Iverson
5. Shaquille O'Neal
6. Stephon Marbury
7. Tracy McGrady
8. Vince Carter
9. Carmelo Anthony
10. Dirk Nowitzki :lol


Where's Manu and Tim?

Thankfully, popularity contests prove nothing about greatness...

[Mavs<Spurs]

Where's Manu and Tim?

Thankfully, popularity contests prove nothing about greatness...


Manu, this year, didn't belong there. Most of the year, Tim marginally belonged. In the playoffs, Tim did belong there.



Perhaps at the bottom of the ladder, there is more room for varied opinions. Probably at the top, if someone is not around there, there's a reason.


In any event, it's certainly not my argument and I agree that it has flaws.

[Obstructed_View]

yeah but stats dont mean anything. lebron has better overall stats then kobe also but do you think lebron is better than kobe? i hope not.
Dude you have some serious fucking man love for Kobe Bryant. Is it just because he made your team his bitch so many times or what?

[RON ARTEST]

Dude you have some serious fucking man love for Kobe Bryant. Is it just because he made your team his bitch so many times or what?
man love? i hate him more then any spurs fan alive for the reason you just stated dumbfuck. but unlike your retarded ass i recognize greatness when i see it. i think you made this thread for attention and sadly you got it.

[RON ARTEST]

im still trying to figure out how this thread got to 4 fucking pages. especially when its started by one of the dumbest people on the forum.

[Obstructed_View]

man love? i hate him more then any spurs fan alive for the reason you just stated dumbfuck. but unlike your retarded ass i recognize greatness when i see it. i think you made this thread for attention and sadly you got it.
I made this thread to illustrate how fucking stupid you are for calling people names that have an opinion that differs from yours. You reinforce that stupidity with every subsequent post. Ray Allen made your team his bitch in the playoffs two years ago, is he the second best player in the league? Don't forget to spew as much venom as possible at anyone who happens not to agree with you, fucktard.

[Obstructed_View]

im still trying to figure out how this thread got to 4 fucking pages. especially when its started by one of the dumbest people on the forum.
Well it couldn't have anything to do with the fact that you have posted to it fourteen times. :lol

[RON ARTEST]

Well it couldn't have anything to do with the fact that you have posted to it fourteen times. :lol
im trying to change your dumb ways.

[Obstructed_View]

Fifteen times, and I don't think you've failed to insult someone who disagrees with you in a single post.

Yeah, how dare someone disagree with you on a discussion board. :)

[RON ARTEST]

I made this thread to illustrate how fucking stupid you are for calling people names that have an opinion that differs from yours. You reinforce that stupidity with every subsequent post. Ray Allen made your team his bitch in the playoffs two years ago, is he the second best player in the league? Don't forget to spew as much venom as possible at anyone who happens not to agree with you, fucktard.
i didnt call them names because they had different opinions. i called them names because they didnt just say wade was a better they said a whole bunch of other dumb shit that didnt make any sense. im calling you names because every name that i have called you SO FAR is exactly what the fuck you are.

[RON ARTEST]

Yeah, how dare someone disagree with you on a discussion board. :)
thats not why i called them names. what are you 5? stop being so damn sensitive. you made this thread because of me saying things to other dumb posters like yourself?

[Obstructed_View]

i didnt call them names because they had different opinions. i called them names because they didnt just say wade was a better they said a whole bunch of other dumb shit that didnt make any sense. im calling you names because every name that i have called you SO FAR is exactly what the fuck you are.
Actually, I started this thread with the statement that Wade was better than Kobe and you responded exactly the way you had up to that point. Don't be a little pussy now and deny what you are doing.

[RON ARTEST]

Actually, I started this thread with the statement that Wade was better than Kobe and you responded exactly the way you had up to that point. Don't be a little pussy now and deny what you are doing.
deny what? you are a retard. even if you were joking there is no way that wade is better than kobe. kobe is a better shooter and a better defender, not to mention he has won more.

[RON ARTEST]

Actually, I started this thread with the statement that Wade was better than Kobe and you responded exactly the way you had up to that point. Don't be a little pussy now and deny what you are doing.
i bet you 3,629 of your posts are stupid as hell. the ones that are smart are probably emoticons.

[Obstructed_View]

:lol

[awmyplace]

I just don't understand why some of you are comparing Wade and Kobe.If you're a real Miami Heat you would say Dwade is better than Kobe.

[RON ARTEST]

If you're a real Miami Heat you would say Dwade is better than Kobe.
no you would be a real homer.

[DirkAB]

abc and espn. and wade said it himself, if that doesnt prove who the better player is then i dont know what does. unselfish? is wade unselfish because he averages 6 assists and kobe averages 4? because if thats your reasoning then your nuts.


Assists aren't at all what I'm talking about. Assists are misleading in showing how selfish or unselfish a player is in a lot of cases. Marbury averages quite a few assists and is at the top of the league most seasons, but you would have to be a complete moron to believe that he is an unselfish player, same with Francis. Some players assists are a result of dominating the ball so much. There are players in the league that average 4-5 assists per game just like Kobe, but they are much more unselfish because they are able to do it in the flow of the offense, and they don't need the ball in their hands for over 50% of the game to get those numbers.

From watching Kobe and Wade, it is completely obvious to me that one is unselfish and the other is selfish, from watching them is ultimately how you have to judge it since stats can be very misleading. Seriously, I think that you would need a crowbar to get the ball out of Kobe's hands a lot of the time. He dominates the ball in such a manner that makes him his team's biggest enemy at times. He is more capable of taking his teammates out of a game than the defense. Wade has shown that he is able to defer to his teammates at the right time in order to get them involved in the game and make them more effective, hence he makes his team better and is a much better team player. He is way more conducive to ball movement for his team, and to me it makes him the smarter player.

I think that Kobe has fewer weaknesses in his game, but his lack of teamwork is such a huge weakness and such an important part of the game that it puts him below Wade, IMO. Kobe is definitely is a better outside shooter, less turnover prone, and is a better defender at this point (but Wade is also a great defender, IMO). I don't believe that Kobe makes his teammates better like Wade, but maybe he will someday. I've seen him do it at times, which is the most maddening thing about it, because it is so obvious that he is so very capable of doing so. But he has only shown that he is willing to do so in spurts.

[awmyplace]

no you would be a real homer.

Yeah!

[fevertrees]

probably true right now

[Calispursfan11]

probably true right now

You are probably better than Kobe right now seeing as how he can barely walk.

[Stabula]

:lol at this 7 year old bump