wheres eric williams?

[violentkitten]

so bonner made it to san antonio where is williams? we need to retire his # for helping dispose of rashos contract. seriously, if hes going to be a part of the team wouldnt he show up for the obligatory meet and greet?

[ChumpDumper]

Still fishin'.

[timvp]

so bonner made it to san antonio where is williams? we need to retire his # for helping dispose of rashos contract. seriously, if hes going to be a part of the team wouldnt he show up for the obligatory meet and greet?

Well, if it wasn't obvious right after the trade, it's obvious now that the player the Spurs wanted in this trade was Bonner. I'm guessing that the Oberto for Bonner rumor was real too and would have gone down if Eric Williams hadn't excerised his player option for this year.

But yeah, it is weird that Williams hasn't been heard from yet. He was actually pretty good the last time he was getting minutes. I can see him potentially filling a Jerome Kersey/James Posey type role with the Spurs as a thick 6-foot-8 defender who can rebound a little bit.

He'll be 34 next year, but he doesn't have much wear and tear on his body. Chances are he doesn't do much in a Spurs uniform and could very well be traded sometime between now and February, but who knows.

It'd be nice to hear him say whether he even wants to play for the Spurs. I knew one of his problems with Toronto is he wanted to closer to his son in NY. San Antonio isn't exactly an East Coast city either.

[T Park]

If Im the Spurs, I don't want to give up on him yet.

I like his numbers pre VC trade, and I think hes still got it in him.

Hes the original LONG three. Plus hes a scrappy SOB that will board and get tough.


If he can bring a touch of what he did for the Nets, then this will go down in top 5 all time Spurs trades.

[ChumpDumper]

It's barely been a day.

[djohn14]

Maybe we realesed him.Under your name how do you change the words?

[Bruno]

No news about him. :depressed
I wonder if he really wants to play with us. (Texas is far from NJ)

Idea of the sunday :
Trading Williams to NJ for Jeff McInnis.

[alamo50]

NBA players have vacation too.

:fro

[exstatic]

No news about him. :depressed
I wonder if he really wants to play with us. (Texas is far from NJ)

Idea of the sunday :
Trading Williams to NJ for Jeff McInnis.
McInnis sucks, and if Eric REALLY wanted to be close to home, he wouldn't have exercised his player option. Since he did, he's at the mercy of the NBA trade winds.

[strangeweather]

if Eric REALLY wanted to be close to home, he wouldn't have exercised his player option. Since he did, he's at the mercy of the NBA trade winds.
:tu

Besides, depending on what deals are floating around this summer, he may never see a Spurs uniform anyway. It could be that the front office called him to tell him not to cancel his fishing trip.

[Spurs Dynasty 21]

so bonner made it to san antonio where is williams? we need to retire his # for helping dispose of rashos contract. seriously, if hes going to be a part of the team wouldnt he show up for the obligatory meet and greet?


:lol

[SPARKY]

Williams' contract is another tradeable asset for the team until 2/24/2007 or thereabouts. Spurs have to be willing to take on a contract that extends past 2006-07, though.

[Bruno]

NBA players have vacation too.


I know that but his agent has said nothing and no words from Williams.



McInnis sucks, and if Eric REALLY wanted to be close to home, he wouldn't have exercised his player option. Since he did, he's at the mercy of the NBA trade winds.

It's not that simple.
When he was with Raptors, he has ever said that he will pick up his option while he asked to be traded : you don't renounce at $4.3M like that.

McInnis isn't a worse player than Williams and fills a need for us (backup PG). Last year he was a starting PG who averages 13pts/5 ast.
I rather have a player who wants to play with us. My only concern about McInnis is that he has a quite bad reputation but if he is motivated, he can be a great backup PG.
Another edge is that McInnis is $700K cheaper than Williams.

[exstatic]

It's not that simple.
When he was with Raptors, he has ever said that he will pick up his option while he asked to be traded : you don't renounce at $4.3M like that.

Sure it is. If you want to be near your kid, you make it happen. If you want the money, you make that happen. We see what his choice was. I'm not knocking his choice, or saying what he should have done, just what he could have done.


McInnis isn't a worse player than Williams and fills a need for us (backup PG). Last year he was a starting PG who averages 13pts/5 ast.
I rather have a player who wants to play with us. My only concern about McInnis is that he has a quite bad reputation but if he is motivated, he can be a great backup PG.
Another edge is that McInnis is $700K cheaper than Williams.
McInnis is a cancer, and has been moved from every team he's been on. He's not a young player any more, to be molded by strong locker room presences. He is what he is, which in reality is a short, ornery shooting guard who passes on occasion.

We can do MUCH better than the 32 YO McInnis with that ending contract. He's so off the radar that nba.com doesn't even list him in the player section.

[Bruno]

Sure it is. If you want to be near your kid, you make it happen. If you want the money, you make that happen. We see what his choice was. I'm not knocking his choice, or saying what he should have done, just what he could have done.

And if he want the money and to be near his kid ?
He had to stay with the team to get paid but he can decide to be a cancer and he will be useless. It's not that simple.



McInnis is a cancer, and has been moved from every team he's been on. He's not a young player any more, to be molded by strong locker room presences. He is what he is, which in reality is a short, ornery shooting guard who passes on occasion.

Quite agree, but it can work for only one year. It's not like he has a 5 years contract.



We can do MUCH better than the 32 YO McInnis with that ending contract. He's so off the radar that nba.com doesn't even list him in the player section.

Disagree, we can only do much better if we take a player with a longer contract or if he we add some incentives like draft picks. I rather keep picks and keep the cap flexibility.
He isn't listed because he won't play for Nets anymore : they will waive him or trade him.

If Williasm doesn't wan to play with us : it's basicly trading a useless player with a $4.3M contract for a player with a $3.6M contract who cna be maybe usefuul. To me, it's a no brainer.

[exstatic]

And if he want the money and to be near his kid ?
Life is about choices, most times. You can want what you want, but he doesn't have the star power to force the issue.


Quite agree, but it can work for only one year. It's not like he has a 5 years contract.
Not it can't. Bad news is bad news. You don't let a fuckoff like McInnis into your locker room for even 5 minutes.

Disagree, we can only do much better if we take a player with a longer contract...
And considering that we've shed both Malik's and Rasho's deals, if the right player comes along, the Spurs may well jump on it.

Don't always think in terms of ending contracts for our ending contracts. Cap flexibility ended in 2005 with the signings of Parker and Manu. SA will be over the cap until at least 2010. It's not that the Spurs don't want to pay, they just don't want to pay non-contributors. Nazr/Malik's slot comes off the books clean this summer, so that puts them out of tax danger, and gives them flexibility in shopping William's contract (part of Rasho's slot) for a contributing player this summer or at the deadline in February.

[Bruno]

Life is about choices, most times. You can want what you want, but he doesn't have the star power to force the issue.

Theory and reality aren't the same thing.
Players have a lot of power. He can come here and :
- not practising hard.
- being not in shape.
- not speaking with his teammates.
- not playing hard when he enters in the game.

He has the power to force the issue, just look at Tim Thomas last year.




Not it can't. Bad news is bad news. You don't let a fuckoff like McInnis into your locker room for even 5 minutes.

I disagree.
Anyway, even if McInnis is a cancer we lose nothing by doing this trade.
If Williams doesn't want to play with us and if he doesn't want to negociate a reasonable buyout, this trade can't be bad.
Worst case scenario : we gain $700k
Best case scenario : we gain $700k and a good backup PG.

Give me one reason why this trade is bad ?



And considering that we've shed both Malik's and Rasho's deals, if the right player comes along, the Spurs may well jump on it.

Don't always think in terms of ending contracts for our ending contracts. Cap flexibility ended in 2005 with the signings of Parker and Manu. SA will be over the cap until at least 2010. It's not that the Spurs don't want to pay, they just don't want to pay non-contributors.

If the right offer come, we will still be able to trade McInnis. The other team won't care if he is a cancer or not since he will be traded as an expiring contract. No downside to do this trade.




Nazr/Malik's slot comes off the books clean this summer, so that puts them out of tax danger, and gives them flexibility in shopping William's contract (part of Rasho's slot) for a contributing player this summer or at the deadline in February.

Check numbers, we will be close to the luxury tax next year.

[beirmeistr]

I have never see Eric Williams play, but judging from some of the comments here and from his bio on HoopsHype.com, he is a defensive specialist and he is "intense." Those of you who have seen him play, is he a Greg Buckner type of defender?

[spurschick]

Spurs will trade Williams for Dwight Howard straight up.

What a really fantastic dream I'm having!!! :spin

[Spurologist]

Eric Williams is busy at at party. That explains it. The hot guest list included Popeye Jones, Sam Cassel, Tyrone Hill and Jerome Williams. The paparazzi were no where to be found.

Go figure.

[Quadzilla99]

The Spurs got Eric Williams!?! Man he was awesome until his weight start getting outta control. If he gets his weight down he can be a big help. I still remember all those awesome battles he had with Reggie White.

[bendmz]

rumors had it the Spurs were going to waieve his contract...... could be

[exstatic]

I doubt they just waive him outright. Ending contracts are a commodity. If they waive him it would be because they couldn't do a deal, and they reached a buyout for a lower salary figure, usually 50% of the contract value.

[Nbadan]

This is interesting, unless I'm mistaken, Eric Williams has been replaced by the rookie Eric Williams on the Official NBA players list (http://www.nba.com/players/) and Bonner and Williams still aren't listed on the Spurs roster. (http://www.nba.com/spurs/stats/)

[NBA Junkie]

It looks as though Eric Williams doesn't even fit in the Spurs plans. He was only included in the deal for salary cap purposes.

[Dre_7]

It'd be nice to hear him say whether he even wants to play for the Spurs. I knew one of his problems with Toronto is he wanted to closer to his son in NY. San Antonio isn't exactly an East Coast city either.

Isnt SA actually further/farther (whichever word it is) from Ny than Toronto?

[Streakyshooter08]

This is interesting, unless I'm mistaken, Eric Williams has been replaced by the rookie Eric Williams on the Official NBA players list (http://www.nba.com/players/) and Bonner and Williams still aren't listed on the Spurs roster. (http://www.nba.com/spurs/stats/)


Well actually they are listed: http://www.nba.com/spurs/roster/

(If it was a joke I did not get ignore my post.) :)

[Solid D]

Isnt SA actually further/farther (whichever word it is) from Ny than Toronto?

Yes. 3x