thoughts about trading Oberto

[bigdog]

i dont like this guy. i know hes only been in the league one year, but at 30 years old, hes still going to need time to improve, and that means getting older than he already is. i dont see him as a good fit for the spurs, and you people that think he could be the starting center for us is stupid, when he can barely play a good role coming off the bench. i think that would be suicide. so is anyone with me? if you want to jump on my trade Oberto bandwagon,let it be heard here. i dont have any trade scenarios in mind,but we could possibly trade him and luis scola's rights to someone else,because i dont see scola playing for the spurs this year

[Kori Ellis]

I am up for trading anyone outside Bruce, Tim, Manu, Tony and Finley.

[mookie2001]

^id cut manu and finley from that list quicker than you could convince timvp to be conservative

[bigdog]

haha. i am too. if theres any players that i want to see gone, its Beno and Oberto

[Kori Ellis]

^id cut manu and finley from that list quicker than you could convince timvp to be conservative

If the Spurs were getting a star back, I'd agree. But it doesn't seem feasible.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Oberto to the Hawks for a second round pick.

[Bruno]

I am up for trading anyone outside Bruce, Tim, Manu, Tony and Finley.

I add Horry to this list.


I guess that Oberto will be traded.
Spurs need a quality big (a starting PF), there are usualy 5 bigs on an active roster and Oberto/Bonner/javtoaks/Duncan/Horry are still here : Oberto is the odd man.

[timvp]

Only player I don't trade is Tim. Everyone else I don't care if they get traded as long as it's a good trade.

Oberto? If a team out there wants him, I'm all ears.

[T Park]

Id include Parker in on the list of players I wouldn't trade.

Duncan, Parker,


everyone else is fair game.

[timvp]

Parker and Bowen for Chris Paul and David West.

Where do I sign?

[Darkwaters]

Parker and Bowen for Chris Paul and David West.

Where do I sign?

Haha, no way that'd ever go down. You'd have to offer Tim Duncan or a Parker/Ginobili two pack to get Chris Paul off that team.

[timvp]

Haha, no way that'd ever go down. You'd have to offer Tim Duncan or a Parker/Ginobili two pack to get Chris Paul off that team.

True. 'Twas just an example that there are no untradeables on this team outside of Tim.

[Kori Ellis]

If you are going to talk about things that won't happen, then everybody can be traded.

The players I named are those I consider untradeable because I was being realistic. No one is knocking down the door offering Wade for Manu or anything like that.

[texasqb2]

you guys are crazy, like it or not Manu is SA's favorite player. No way from a marketing standpoint you could ever make a case for trading this guy. I can't believe you guys, you blame Manu for going up to block a shot to send us to the next round after he almost single handedly got us back in that game and then put us ahead.

[kris]

Only player I don't trade is Tim. Everyone else I don't care if they get traded as long as it's a good trade.

Oberto? If a team out there wants him, I'm all ears.


:cry

Manu, Parker, and Bowen are the Spurs. I would hate to lose them. Spurs can win championships all day with that core, it's just the role players have to be better.

Look at some of our role players from last season:

Oberto - scrub
Rasho - scrub
Nazr - scrub with moments
Van Exel - scrub because of age
Beno - overconfident scrub
Barry - wishy washy

Finley was an awesome pick up and Horry is still good for 10-15 minutes a game, but the Spurs were using Horry like he was 25 years old and playing him 30 minutes in the playoffs.

It's a credit to the big 4, the Spurs did as well as they did with all of these guys bringing them down.

Also, the Spurs were basically centerless. Horry was usually our big man for prime time minutes.

Tim raised his game big in the playoffs, but the Spurs front office screwed themselves over by not making any moves. They get Tim Thomas and the Spurs are having their little river parade today.

Getting rid of Rasho was huge.

If they get rid of Oberto, make that x2.

[WalterBenitez]

Oberto to the Hawks for a second round pick.
Sounds good, Oberto will have more time to play and Spurs will get sth for the future.

[Spurs Dynasty 21]

If the Spurs were getting a star back, I'd agree. But it doesn't seem feasible.



J Oneal for Manu

[DarrinS]

I am up for trading anyone outside Bruce, Tim, Manu, Tony and Finley.


What she said.


Problem is, will any team want our other players (besides Bruce, Tim, Manu, Tony and Finley)?

[SPARKY]

I wouldn't dump Oberto just to dump him. He's a savvy player. He played well when Pop inserted him into the rotation in the Dallas series and that was with him having sat for quite a while.

[wildbill2u]

I am up for trading anyone outside Bruce, Tim, Manu, Tony and Finley.

me too. Do you know what Oberto's contract is? I know he's not making big bucks and probably not guaranteed for long.

How tradeable is he, since he didn't get a chance to show much this year--or maybe he didn't have much to show when it came time to play in the big show.

What would some GM see in him that makes him tradeable>

Of course, I'm not talking about Isaiah Thomas.

[Mr. Body]

Oberto makes $2.5 this year and has a player option for one more year, so he's not very expensive.

I'd hate to trade him at this point, especially as we're suddenly weak down low. While he has little athleticism, we'd be hard-pressed to find a smarter and harder working player to come willingly off the bench.

[Phenomanul]

J Oneal for Manu


Ummm... no.

[Fabbs]

Seems like The Spurs had lost their FA and personell touch.
After hitting gold with Manu and Parker, last years keeping VanEx and Beno seems like a total waste for one of the two.

Ditto Fabs. If he was only gonna be a one year deal, why sign him to three?
Somebody dropped the ball.

I know you Pop lovers will cringe, but how long is Pops contract?

[ChumpDumper]

:rolleyes

[bdictjames]

Its ok with me as log as they dont trade Tim, Tony, Manu, Horry and Barry.. theyre the ones shining in the Spurs

[T Park]

I know you Pop lovers will cringe, but how long is Pops contract?

oh for fucks sake......

[Mr. Body]

Yeah, too bad Finley didn't sign with us after all.

[Spurs9]

Pop won't get rid of duncan, manu, parker....

[tim_duncan_fan]

^id cut manu and finley from that list quicker than you could convince timvp to be conservative

Me too.

[FromWayDowntown]

This thing begins and ends with Tim Duncan. I think he's the only piece that cannot be touched. For the next several seasons, as long as Tim Duncan is in San Antonio, the Spurs are automatically contenders.

Everyone else is tradeable, but the prices vary. The likelihood of the Spurs getting their price for Parker is remote. The chances they get their price for Ginobili is better, but still pretty unlikely. I think Bowen fits with both of those -- the Spurs would be willing to deal but the price they'd exact to make that deal is pretty steep.

[Russ]

Oberto's value is hovering around zero -- he could be a slight net positive or slight net negative.

In other words, he likely has no trade value.

[v2freak]

I'd consider trading any player outside of Duncan. So, if the Spurs get quality, I wouldn't mind an Oberto trade too much

[baseline bum]

The offer would have to be real damn sweet for me to consider losing Manu. He's the guard this team had been searching for since the team traded Alvin for TC in '89. Manu is almost up there with Tim on the untouchables list for me, because generally Manu is a fourth quarter assassin.

I'd also never trade Bruce. You can say it's a business, but he's never looked at us from a business standpoint, and I think the team owes it to him to repay the favor and not send him to some shithole like Atlanta or Minnesota. He turned down a 3 year MLE deal from Portland to sign here for $700k in 2002, and then restructured his deal to help us sign Manu and Tony.

[Mijo]

I can't believe you guys, you blame Manu for going up to block a shot Well he did foul Dirk and a strong case could be made for him costing the Spurs but I'd rather reconize that there were other numerous screwups. Manu gets the rap because it happened at the end of a game 7. There were plenty of other Spurs making critical mistakes all series long that could've changed the outcome of more than one game. Other than game 2 we were in every one and had a chance to win it late.

[upTD]

you guys are crazy, like it or not Manu is SA's favorite player. No way from a marketing standpoint you could ever make a case for trading this guy. I can't believe you guys, you blame Manu for going up to block a shot to send us to the next round after he almost single handedly got us back in that game and then put us ahead.

he almost single handedly got us back in that game and then put us ahead?

what a blind man u r! it is Fin & tim get the spurs back and then manu made a 3-p. In the first qr, manu has 0 pointer\1 reb\ 2 to's,and that is the reason we digged the hole, he reserves for the 4th qr to act as the finisher while tim and other player try to keep up with mavs. and once manu made some shot in 4th qr your guys would think it is manu's contribution. what a joke your guys say like this in the condition that manu had waste our defending champion chance.

[Fabbs]

oh for fucks sake......

Surely you, ChumpDumper and the rest of the lovers of Stand n Veg
Offensive Pop Ball could continue your relationship with him.

I know hiring and submitting to an O coordinator like Phil Jackson did with Tex Winters is out of the Pop question.

Instead he'll bail when Duncan does IMO.
Back to Fabs Oberto, how about Fabs in exchange for an appearance at the stadium by Jessica Alba in a bikini?

[AFE7FATMAN]

^id cut manu and finley from that list quicker than you could convince timvp to be conservative

I would cut Bruce faster than that :lol

I'm going to suggest we hold off on trading Oberto till December.

He was a 30 year old ROOKIE and I think he was completely engulfed
in the fact that he was with the SPURS and in the NBA. I may be
seeing things that I want to see, i.e. potential.

[ChumpDumper]

Surely you, ChumpDumper and the rest of the lovers of Stand n Veg
Offensive Pop Ball could continue your relationship with him.English next time, douchebag.

[AFE7FATMAN]

Surely you, ChumpDumper and the rest of the lovers of Stand n Veg
Offensive Pop Ball could continue your relationship with him.

I know hiring and submitting to an O coordinator like Phil Jackson did with Tex Winters is out of the Pop question.

Instead he'll bail when Duncan does IMO......

Would you suggest that since POP would NEVER hire or listen to an O coordinator? :lol perhaps he should read

Mulitple choice Offense by Aca Petrovic
The Argentina Offense by Ruben Magnano
Plays to run as the shot clock expires by Phil Melillo
Attacking the Unorthodox Zone by Dragan Sakota
Offensive Out-of-Bounds Situations by Bob Huggins
Notre Dame Basketball: Motion Offense by Sean Kearney
Zone Offense by Victorino Cunha

I got several others I would suggest but nevermind. just forget it, :rolleyes its going to be small ball and pound it in to TD no matter who we have for our 15 players.


Pop is more than likely rewritting
The Game Philisophy of the San Antonio Spurs.

[strangeweather]

I'm going to suggest we hold off on trading Oberto till December.

He was a 30 year old ROOKIE and I think he was completely engulfed
in the fact that he was with the SPURS and in the NBA. I may be
seeing things that I want to see, i.e. potential.
If he's what we need to make a deal work, we ship him out now, simple. Even if he gets better, he would have a long way to climb to be a difference maker.

Besides, he's probably already our 5th big, and we're still likely to bring in a starter. That would likely put him on the inactive list, which means he doesn't even get a chance to show he can play. Shipping him out is a lot better option than playing him $2.5M to wear a suit.