Barry trade rumors per Fox Sports

[DFW Spurs]

Take it for what its worth. Here's an article from Foxsports about trade rumors. Spurs reference is short and in bold.

Marion trade coming?
Jun 26, 2006 | 5:36AM | report this While Bulls and Suns officials denied the recent trade rumor involving Shawn Marion, another Matrix rumor has popped up in a deal that would send Marion and Phoenix’s No. 27 draft pick to the Sonics for Rashard Lewis and Seattle’s No. 10 pick.

If you’re wondering why Marion’s name keeps coming up in trade rumors, it’s because given Phoenix’s salary-cap situation, it’s believed that the team won’t be able to sign Boris Diaw and Leandro Barbosa to contract extensions as well as keep Marion around.

In other trade rumors, the Philadelphia Inquirer has one where Toronto sends Mike James (in a sign-and-trade) to the Mavericks for a package involving Marquis Daniels, and the New York Daily News reported a J.R. Smith-to-San Antonio rumor in exchange for Brent Barry.

The same paper also says Isiah Thomas is looking to unload Quentin Richardson. From a basketball standpoint, trading Q-Rich makes no sense, considering that Isiah wants to switch to a Phoenix Suns-type system and Q flourished in that exact same system. But here’s where it gets interesting: Richardson was reportedly known to be Larry Brown’s biggest supporter amongst the Knicks players.

University of Washington coach Lorenzo Romar in the Stamford Advocate about Nate Robinson: “You can’t tell Nate, ‘You’ve got to go from A to B to C to get this done.’ You’ve got to bypass A and B and just tell him, ‘We need you to get to C,’ and he’ll get there.”

Speaking of undersized guards Khalid El-Amin is pulling down $850,000 a year playing pro ball in the Ukraine, according to the St. Paul Pioneer Press

Newsday reported that the Mimi Heat put off their championship parade by one day so Shaq could attend the Superman movie premiere in Hollywood.

We told you over the weekend that we’d have a full recap of the EA Sports Madden 07 preview party that we attended on Friday night for you this morning Check it out and then read our Q&A with Shaun Alexander .

We read a report that some college coaches are pushing the NCAA to expand the Big Dance to 128 teams. “It’s based on several things,” said Jim Haney, executive director of the National Association of Basketball Coaches. “First, there are a lot of good teams worthy of making the NCAA field, and second, the size of 64 or 65 has been in place for a number of years.” Our first reaction is if it ain’t broke, why fix it? While the thought of adding a few more rounds and new teams into the mix sounds cool as hell, this past year's Dance was one of the best in recent memory. We can't recall another one that had so many great games come down to the wire.

We’re out like expanding the Big Dance.

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[Bruno]

New York Daily News article (source of this article):
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/story/429614p-362240c.html


What separates Dallas from San Antonio is Nowitzki, a 7-footer with quickness who gives the Spurs matchup problems on the perimeter. While it might seem like an overreaction to their playoff loss, the Spurs feel as if they have to change with the times and find an answer for Nowitzki.

So they began to adjust to the new-world NBA this past week when they traded center Rasho Nesterovic to Toronto. Now, they can play Duncan more in the middle. As for a power forward, they're like a lot of teams who see Phoenix's Boris Diaw as the new big thing. The Spurs think they drafted such a player last June in 6-10 Ian Mahinmi, also of France. But they believe he's still at least a year away.

The Spurs also want to get more athletic on the wing. So they're looking to revive a deal for the Hornets' J.R. Smith, who had problems with coach Byron Scott in his rookie season. The deal for Smith, a Newark product who came right in from high school, fell through at the last minute at the trading deadline. But now, Brent Barry could be on his way to the Hornets.

The Spurs are also trying to use Luis Scola, a 6-7 Argentinian, as trade bait. They drafted Ginobili's national teammate in 2002, thinking he'd one day join Duncan up front. But in the new age NBA, where quickness is becoming a bigger priority up front than traditional power players, they think Scola's rugged low-post game is only going to get in Duncan's way.

[MoSpur]

I say do it. Now. Wait. Its not 7/1/06.

[MoSpur]

Does that even matter?

[Old School Chic]

Does that even matter?

Get over it.

[picnroll]

Mavs signing James and letting Terry go would be a pretty good move for them. They could lose Daniles contract and the net on signing James wouldn't be so bad as signing Terry. Also James is a better playmaker.

[angel_luv]

Sigh! Sorry Brent, if it is true. :(

[SPARKY]

A Barry for Smith deal is unlikely to happen within the week since the Hornets seem to be offering Smith in order to move up in the draft and also a straight up swap would require the Hornets to have the cap room necessary to absord Barry's deal so you can be assured they will want to know the new salary cap #.

[boutons_]

"7-footer with quickness"

Dirk quick? He has lots of good attributes, but he's not quick.

[Mr. Body]

I don't see any teams leaping at an offer of J.R. Smith to move up in the draft. He's pretty poisonous at this point.

I'm down on the Barry trade and see it as universally a salary dump, which is too bad. Smith may somehow get his head and attitude fixed, but see no time for him in front of Finley. Meanwhile, we miss the good attitude, locker room presence, and all around court play of Barry.

[texlawman]

A James for Marquis Daniels trade would help the Mavs out alot if that happens. That would give us a veteran who can play the 1 and 2 and could move a resigned Terry to the offguard. I can only hope.

[Boston George]

mospur knows nothing of basketball

[Quadzilla99]

"7-footer with quickness"

Dirk quick? He has lots of good attributes, but he's not quick.

Yeah I hate it when people say that Dirk has real good athleticism-he doesn't. At all. His jumper is so phenomenal and he is so tall that you have to get right up on him and it makes it easier for him to go by you. Also you have to respect it when he pump fakes and he uses that to get by you too.

[picnroll]

Terry won't be re-signed in a deal to acquire James. In fact Mavs will almost certainly have to deal more than Daniels to match whatever James would sign for in a S&T. Not sure who else they could throw in that Toronto might want.

[MoSpur]

A Barry for Smith deal is unlikely to happen within the week since the Hornets seem to be offering Smith in order to move up in the draft and also a straight up swap would require the Hornets to have the cap room necessary to absord Barry's deal so you can be assured they will want to know the new salary cap #.

The Hornets are under the cap. They can take on Barry's contract with no problem. They don't have that $$ committed.

As far as using him as trade bait to move up makes sense too. It would be a good move for the Hornets.

[SPARKY]

The Hornets are under the cap. They can take on Barry's contract with no problem. They don't have that $$ committed.

As far as using him as trade bait to move up makes sense too. It would be a good move for the Hornets.


I know they are likely under the cap. But they don't know by how much. That's rather important info.

[MoSpur]

I know they are likely under the cap. But they don't know by how much. That's rather important info.

The figure isn't known, but they are under the cap by a lot at this point.

[SPARKY]

The figure isn't known, but they are under the cap by a lot at this point.

The exact amount is important. Acquiring Brent Barry isn't the only thing on the Hornets' FO agenda for this offseason.

[MoSpur]

They have around $32 mil committed for 06/07.

[clubalien]

Bowen=kobe stoper
so now we need a dirk stopper?

[SPARKY]

They have around $32 mil committed for 06/07.

Sure and they have Speedy Claxton as a free agent so maybe they will have some S&T offers for him. With their cap room they can take back more salary than they send out in other deals. Just because they seem likely to have a shitload of cap room doesn't mean that they don't need to know how much in order to properly plan.

[MoSpur]

Sure and they have Speedy Claxton as a free agent so maybe they will have some S&T offers for him. With their cap room they can take back more salary than they send out in other deals. Just because they seem likely to have a shitload of cap room doesn't mean that they don't need to know how much in order to properly plan.

Understood, but taking on Barry's contract isn't going to break the bank. You said it is unlikely they do the deal because of his contract. That isn't true. They have a good idea as to what the cap figure will be. It will be more than last year and they are far under last year's figure. Now, I do agree that they will be more willing to trade Smith to move up. That I can see.

[SPARKY]

I said it is unlikely they will do the deal before the new cap figure is announced.

[clubalien]

the new big thing. The Spurs think they drafted such a player last June in 6-10 Ian Mahinmi, also of France. But they believe he's still at least a year away.
ian in 07 is the new BIG THING to change and dominate the league!

sounds like am intresting nick name "Big thing" too

[picnroll]

New Orleans needs a center and they need some outside shooting, particularly if they don't resign Butler. They won't be likely to rely on having solved their outside shooting needs with any rookie draft choice. Speedy has said he doesn't want to go back to New Orleans.

[Texas_Ranger]

Trade Barry for JR, PLEASE!!!

[texasqb2]

Sure and they have Speedy Claxton as a free agent so maybe they will have some S&T offers for him. With their cap room they can take back more salary than they send out in other deals. Just because they seem likely to have a shitload of cap room doesn't mean that they don't need to know how much in order to properly plan.

You don't just get sign and trade offers....Speedy has to want to go to that certain team.

[SenorSpur]

Since he left S.A. on extremely "good terms", I don't see any reason Speedy wouldn't want to come back to the Spurs. Unless, of course, Cuban decides to totally outbid the competition by throwing some "crazy cash" his way.

[SPARKY]

You don't just get sign and trade offers....Speedy has to want to go to that certain team.

No kidding. You also end up taking salary back.

[TheTruth]

Ehh, i think they could package barry with nazr and get more in return.

[Slinkyman]

I would do that deal for many reasons and the first being that we get a good young kid that can play and has all star potential. NO is a young team without veteran leadership, now put JR on the spurs and he'll have more then enough guys to show him the way. two, we save around 4 million this season which puts a gap between us and the luxury tax threshold and gives us more flexibility now and in the future.

Also, JR Smith may have had problems with Byron Scott but he's not the first and won't be the last. SJax didn't get along with him in NJ (look how that turned out) and even JKidd didn't like him and had him fired. Scott has a history and we shouldn't judge JR because of that.

JR Smith has all the physical tools to be a superstar we can only hope that under Pop he realizes that potential but if he doesn't we can dump him and in the end we saved alot of money.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Unless, of course, Cuban decides to totally outbid the competition by throwing some "crazy cash" his way.

How does a team 30 million over the salary cap throw 'crazy cash' his way?

[SPARKY]

How does a team 30 million over the salary cap throw 'crazy cash' his way?

MLE for the max years or, of course, via sign and trade.

[SenorSpur]

How does a team 30 million over the salary cap throw 'crazy cash' his way?

We're talking Mark Cuban here as the owner of said team. Now word is he may be backing off a bit on making heavy financial commitments. However if the Mavs don't land Mike James, as has been rumored, or if they decide they want Speedy bad enough, Cuban will not allow himself to be outbid.

[T Park]

could JR Smith, be the 06 07 version, of the 02 03 Stephen Jackson?


Sees they are quite similar players.

JR just being a little more famous due to being in the dunk contest.

[polandprzem]

Penny is far more famous

[Spurs Dynasty 21]

Trade Barry for JR, PLEASE!!!

[GrandeDavid]

Prolly need to trade Barry, but man would I miss his personality. So quotable, so fan-friendly. But, he's at the tail end of his career, obviously...

[ducks]

maybe the spurs could get pj brown involved....

[MoSpur]

maybe the spurs could get pj brown involved....

PJ was someone the Spurs looked at before they signed Rasho. I wouldn't him on the Spurs roster. He only has one year left as far as I remember. Good character guy.

[TwoHandJam]

I don't understand the fascination with Smith. Yes, he's young and athletic but his fg% leaves much to be desired. Why do we want a sg who is such a poor shooter?

[MoSpur]

Well, he is younger and more athletic. The Spurs do need to get younger. Barry is being paid too much. So you kill two birds with one stone.

Now, PJ Brown is owed $8 mil for one more year and that's it. The Spurs would do themselves good financially if they pick up JR Smith and PJ Brown.

[texasqb2]

I don't understand the fascination with Smith. Yes, he's young and athletic but his fg% leaves much to be desired. Why do we want a sg who is such a poor shooter?

Well as we are seeing currently, you can teach good shooting skills (see Tony Parker), but I think RC/Pop see JR as an extremely athletic player and as you can see, this is becoming the new trend (just put out your 5 best athletic players). But anyone who has this much athletic ability has great potential to be a terrific defender and that's what intrigues all of us so much with him and that doing a Barry for Smith deal also gives us more financial wiggle room.

[SenorSpur]

I don't understand the fascination with Smith. Yes, he's young and athletic but his fg% leaves much to be desired. Why do we want a sg who is such a poor shooter?

Try the fact that he's young, athletic, still-developing and cheap. He's not unlike many young players (college or high school) in that he's not a good shooter at this point in his early career.

Smith can always develop his shooting touch, his FG% and defensive ability. On the other hand, you cannot develop or teach youth or athleticism.

The Spurs cannot afford to continue stocking the roster with older, slower, unathletic players who are past their primes and may be willing to play for less money.

[Knoxville Spur]

Now, PJ Brown is owed $8 mil for one more year and that's it. The Spurs would do themselves good financially if they pick up JR Smith and PJ Brown.

Then we could let PJ go and consider Scola again next year.

[Darkwaters]

I don't understand the fascination with Smith. Yes, he's young and athletic but his fg% leaves much to be desired. Why do we want a sg who is such a poor shooter?

Hes not so much a poor shooter as he has poor shot selection. Two years ago in his rookie season when Baron Davis, Jamaal Magloire and David West were all injured he pretty much got to do whatever he wanted. Notice, they only won 18 games that season. Now with Chris Paul running the show and David West and Speedy Claxton playing admirably, he has to play smart in order to win. If Pop sits him down and brings him back to earth I think he could be a solid player. Barry is at the twilight of his career, it'd be a good idea to have a look at a solid young talent.

[Mr. Body]

Are the Spurs gonna do a kind of Lovecraftian brain swap thing with him with someone who cares about team basketball? Hey, is Shane Heal still around?

[Quadzilla99]

Hes not so much a poor shooter as he has poor shot selection. Two years ago in his rookie season when Baron Davis, Jamaal Magloire and David West were all injured he pretty much got to do whatever he wanted. Notice, they only won 18 games that season. Now with Chris Paul running the show and David West and Speedy Claxton playing admirably, he has to play smart in order to win. If Pop sits him down and brings him back to earth I think he could be a solid player. Barry is at the twilight of his career, it'd be a good idea to have a look at a solid young talent.

That's what I was going to say he shot 37.1% from three last year while taking almost 3 a game. So he can shoot but without having watched him play a lot he must settle for bad jumpers. With his athleticism he should shoot threes off the catch only and drive to the paint the rest of the time. When his midrange jumper off the dribble improves, if it does, then he can take a bunch of pull up jumpers.

[SenorSpur]

That's what I was going to say he shot 37.1% from three last year while taking almost 3 a game. So he can shoot but without having watched him play a lot he must settle for bad jumpers. With his athleticism he should shoot threes off the catch only and drive to the paint the rest of the time. When his midrange jumper off the dribble improves, if it does, then he can take a bunch of pull up jumpers.

Exactly! His athleticism, upside and price all work to make this trade a no-brainer.

If all that isn't enough, the fact that the Spurs have now acquired a 42% 3-pt FG shooter in Bonner makes Barry expendable.

[Mr. Body]

Exactly! His athleticism, upside and price all work to make this trade a no-brainer.

If all that isn't enough, the fact that the Spurs have now acquired a 42% 3-pt FG shooter in Bonner makes Barry expendable.

You make it sound like that's the only thing Barry brought to the table.

[SenorSpur]

You make it sound like that's the only thing Barry brought to the table.

Hmmm. Let's see. Barry was a 40% 3-pt FG shooter during his day in Seattle. However, I don't recall him shooting 40% behind the arc since he's been a Spur.

Also, he ran the point for a good part of his last couple of seasons with Seattle, yet somehow Pop never found it necessary to utilize him in this role. Personally, I think he would have been fine running the point in a pinch.

There's no question that Barry is an intelligent ball player with some diverse skills, yet he often plays too passively. Whatever he brought to the table, the fact is he's evolved into only a 3-pt shooter only at this point in his career - like it or not.

[kalikot_boy_kr]

dirk quickness????whatttt are u kiddng me?? he's a fuckin flukes!!!

[jman3000]

you really should post more kalikot ... at least 10x per day.

[ducks]

trade beno for him and let barry play backup point

barry knows the system to

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

We're talking Mark Cuban here as the owner of said team. Now word is he may be backing off a bit on making heavy financial commitments. However if the Mavs don't land Mike James, as has been rumored, or if they decide they want Speedy bad enough, Cuban will not allow himself to be outbid.

Um, the point of my question was the fact that with Dallas being capped out, the most they could offer him is the MLE for the max # of years. Which, coincidentally, is the same offer that we could offer him.

So, all this 'Cuban will not allow himself to be outbid' shit is moot, because he can't offer him anything more than we can.

I swear we need a salary cap/CBA 101 thread, and all new posters should be required to pass a test on it before they can advance FA signing opinions or trade ideas.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

LoL

What NY paper took credit for that rumor, it's not so much a "rumor" as much as it is a "it almost happened before and probably still will".

[exstatic]

Parker shot 42% at about JR's age. Last year he shot 55%. Learning shot selection and that you must have both a mid range game and a finishing touch at the rim is part of the maturing process of a player. JR is 20. I'd be surprised if he DID have any kind of shot selection. He has two things going for him: He's as athletic as they come and he can dial in from downtown with ease. Put those two together and you can have one hell of a SG.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

Um, the point of my question was the fact that with Dallas being capped out, the most they could offer him is the MLE for the max # of years. Which, coincidentally, is the same offer that we could offer him.

So, all this 'Cuban will not allow himself to be outbid' shit is moot, because he can't offer him anything more than we can.

I swear we need a salary cap/CBA 101 thread, and all new posters should be required to pass a test on it before they can advance FA signing opinions or trade ideas.

I haven't passed that test, but...

Isn't the general idea if you go over the cap you end up paying luxury tax? So wouldn't the point be that Cuban is willing to pay the tax, and the Spurs aren't? In effect, letting Cuban "not be outbid"?

[exstatic]

I haven't passed that test, but...

Isn't the general idea if you go over the cap you end up paying luxury tax? So wouldn't the point be that Cuban is willing to pay the tax, and the Spurs aren't? In effect, letting Cuban "not be outbid"?
Word is that he's not willing.

[Quadzilla99]

Yeah Speedy is gonna take a little more money to be a 3rd string point guard. Besides even Cuban isn't stupid enough to break the bank for a third string point as re-signing Terry is their #1 priority. With the way Terry played most of the playoffs, combined with Cuban's deep pockets, it looks like he will definitely be back. Plus Harris the backup point is under contract too. Makes zero sense.

[SenorSpur]

Um, the point of my question was the fact that with Dallas being capped out, the most they could offer him is the MLE for the max # of years. Which, coincidentally, is the same offer that we could offer him.

So, all this 'Cuban will not allow himself to be outbid' shit is moot, because he can't offer him anything more than we can.

I swear we need a salary cap/CBA 101 thread, and all new posters should be required to pass a test on it before they can advance FA signing opinions or trade ideas.

I see your point and Dallas is already in luxury tax hell.

Even still, that's still no reason for you to come across like an "asshole" in making your point.

[bdictjames]

Trade Barry for JR, PLEASE!!!

Heck No! Spurs need Barry!

[T Park]

Yeah Barry really stepped it up against Dallas, LETS KEEP HIM!!!!

:rolleyes

[George W Bush]

Yeah Barry really stepped it up against Dallas, LET ME EAT HIM!!!!


Thats' more like it. :tu

[ducks]

beno stepped up so much against mavs to

[Quadzilla99]

Nazr and Rasho were Twin Towers like also. Dominated the paint.

[exstatic]

Heck No! Spurs need Barry!
I'd rather have a 20 YO apprentice 3rd string SG than a 34 YO veteran 3rd string SG.

[T Park]

Hey George W errrrrrr Sa210

why dont you post under your real name and say it like a man chickenshit?

[Darkwaters]

trade beno for him and let barry play backup point

barry knows the system to

Hornets don't need another PG if Speedy stays. Besides, thats a very weak bid for a pretty strong trading commodity. With the weak class of free agent off guards, Barry is about the cheapest the Spurs could wrestle him away from OKC.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

Hey George W errrrrrr Sa210

why dont you post under your real name and say it like a man chickenshit?

LoL

Somebody discovered IP checks.

[ChumpDumper]

LoL

Somebody discovered IP checks.Or bad guessing....

[T Park]

or knows someone that knows a guy that knows a guy, that can tell me this stuff.

[ChumpDumper]

--who may also be a bad guesser. Anything's possible.

[T Park]

Highly doubtfull this person is a bad guesser.

[venitian navigator]

We could make three different trades with N.O. (actually, one trade at all, but three consierin NBA rules about E. Williams).

P.J. Brown (last year of contract and, probably, of an NBA career; has expressed interest to play for a contender in his last year) for a sign and traded Mohammed (N.O. is starving for a legitimate center and Moha is the best the market could offer...this trade, is clearly in N.O. advantage and makes the more money possible for Nazr...at least what S.A. was available to give him last year - 7 million range).


J.R. Smith (with Byron re-signed, no way he stays there...the earlier he's traded the best) for Beno Udrih I see that trade as even, considering that both players, in their respective role, as played quite good when given decent time...


S. Claxton sign and traded (wants to go out of N.O., is a free agent and has expressed interest in coming back to S.A.) for E. Williams.
This trade is clearly in advantage of S.A. but, given the other trades on, it makes sense for both...