Reading the tea leaves: JR will be a Spur. [Archive]

SPARKY

06-26-2006, 09:02 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2501057

Updated: June 26, 2006, 3:16 PM ET

Hornets coach Scott says he's agreed to new deal

Associated Press

EDMOND, Okla. -- Coach Byron Scott said Monday he had agreed to terms on a contract extension that could keep him with the New Orleans Hornets for three more seasons.

Scott guided the Hornets to a 20-win improvement in his second season with the team, even as it endured a temporary move from New Orleans to Oklahoma City caused by Hurricane Katrina.

"The deal is pretty much finalized and I'm happy about it and looking forward to getting the season under way," Scott said.

Scott led the Hornets to an 18-64 record in his first season then oversaw the largest improvement in the league last season. The Hornets were in the playoff race until the final week of the season, and Scott was voted fifth in the NBA's coach of the year balloting.

In his tenure with New Jersey, his Nets team also had a sizable improvement -- 26 wins -- in his second season and made its first of back-to-back berths in the NBA Finals in 2002 and 2003.

Scott was replaced by Lawrence Frank after a 22-20 start in 2003-04 and signed on with the Hornets the following season. The new deal would guarantee the two remaining option years on Scott's four-year contract and add an option for 2008-09, Scott said.

"I'm happy about it. I think it's a good deal," Scott said. "It's mostly incentive-based, which I kind of like."

Scott did not reveal the contract's exact financial terms, but he said it included bonuses for wins, reaching the playoffs and other milestones.

"Whatever you can think of, we tried to put it in there and try to make it more incentive-based," Scott said.

Scott's business manager, Brian McInerney, was in Oklahoma last week to visit Scott and work on the extension. He said Scott's priority was keeping his coaching staff together.

"We wanted to make sure that we were on the same page with [general manager] Jeff [Bower] and they could go forward as a unified coaching staff," McInerney said.

Following the Hornets' pre-draft workout on Monday, Bower said he could not confirm Scott's new extension but said negotiations with Scott and his staff were ongoing.

"We're real happy with where we're at with all of our talks, and we're hopeful we'll have an announcement soon," Bower said.

After the season, Hornets owner George Shinn said he had hoped to re-sign Scott for the long term.

"I'm confident because he loves his team and he sees a good one and he wants to stay," Shinn said last month. "We're going to do everything to make that happen."

Shinn has also said he wants to re-sign Bower, who took over as general manager when Allan Bristow resigned in October.

"We're in the middle, in the process and moving along and talking," Bower said. "Everything is going great."

ChumpDumper

06-26-2006, 09:09 PM

Well, at least JR is going elsewhere. We'll find out after the draft.

Mr. Body

06-26-2006, 09:11 PM

He'll be a Spur? Is that reading every third letter or something?

Phil Hellmuth

06-26-2006, 09:19 PM

He'll be a Spur? Is that reading every third letter or something?

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

Kori Ellis

06-26-2006, 09:23 PM

I don't know why Spurs fans are dying for JR Smith when he's a shooting guard.

IMO, the Spurs need forwards.

Mr. Body

06-26-2006, 09:25 PM

Yeah, Kori, but he's an athlete!!

SPARKY

06-26-2006, 09:26 PM

Scott retained as coach, Smith still on the block, and Barry still expendable. It's not exactly a trade you pass up.

Kori Ellis

06-26-2006, 09:26 PM

:lol

Well I'm all for adding athletes. But I'd like some 6'9 athlete, not a 6'5 or so athlete who doesn't come to practice.

Phenomanul

06-26-2006, 09:27 PM

Yeah, Kori, but he's an athlete!!

Or in the words of one famous Marcus Bryant.... he's a balla!!!

SPARKY

06-26-2006, 09:28 PM

Or in the words of one famous Marcus Bryant.... he's a balla!!!

Wrong legend.

tempest186

06-26-2006, 09:34 PM

Or in the words of one famous Marcus Bryant.... he's a balla!!!

That'd be GW

SPARKY

06-26-2006, 09:35 PM

Amoeba

Join Date: 05-28-2004

Damn newbies.

Phenomanul

06-26-2006, 09:36 PM

Damn newbies.

I second guessed myself... I had it between MB and GW....

BTW I'm past the newbie phase....

SPARKY

06-26-2006, 09:38 PM

Not in SPARKY years.

Phenomanul

06-26-2006, 09:40 PM

Not in SPARKY years.

True... but I knew that one of them was 'afta dem ballas!!! I was around to know that tidbit of info... cut me some slack PARKSY... :spin

ShoogarBear

06-26-2006, 09:43 PM

Ah, you blew it again. SPANKY would have been a stronger comeback.

Phenomanul

06-26-2006, 09:45 PM

Ah, you blew it again. SPANKY would have been a stronger comeback.

he used the letters in my username... his username was not as flexible...

Extra Stout

06-26-2006, 09:47 PM

Not in SPARKY years.
SPARKY is so old he remembers when I was called TrappedinHTown.

ShoogarBear

06-26-2006, 09:59 PM

he used the letters in my username... his username was not as flexible...KRAPY?

Nesterofish

06-26-2006, 10:00 PM

Spurs don't need ny uncoachable gangsta players like JR Smith.

exstatic

06-26-2006, 10:14 PM

Spurs don't need ny uncoachable gangsta players like JR Smith.
If we can rent him cheap for two years and get a championship like the last time we got a player labeled "uncoachable" by Byron Scott, it's worth shedding Barry's salary.

exstatic

06-26-2006, 10:24 PM

I don't know why Spurs fans are dying for JR Smith when he's a shooting guard.

IMO, the Spurs need forwards.
Our SGs are: 29 next month , 33, 34. Between Manu's NT obssession and Finley playing for Nellie all those years, I would categorize them as an old 28.9 and an old 33.

wildbill2u

06-26-2006, 10:45 PM

I don't know why Spurs fans are dying for JR Smith when he's a shooting guard.

IMO, the Spurs need forwards.

Amen, Sister. Keep preaching. :madrun

SPARKY

06-26-2006, 10:57 PM

Our SGs are: 29 next month , 33, 34. Between Manu's NT obssession and Finley playing for Nellie all those years, I would categorize them as an old 28.9 and an old 33.

...and your 29 year old SG struggles to break 30 minutes a night.

ShoogarBear

06-26-2006, 11:08 PM

The Spurs shouldn't be looking down their noses at talented young legs at any position.

In truth, their entire youth right now consists of Parker.

SPARKY

06-26-2006, 11:12 PM

The Spurs shouldn't be looking down their noses at talented young legs at any position.

In truth, their entire youth right now consists of Parker.

Sure. Young legs is also under a rookie contract 'til 2008.

ShoogarBear

06-26-2006, 11:21 PM

That's two cheap years to figure out if he's going to pan out to be anything.

SPARKY

06-26-2006, 11:25 PM

That's two cheap years to figure out if he's going to pan out to be anything.

They could do cheap with the rest of the supporting cast.

Eric Williams...in for...BRUCE BOWEN.

C'mon, help 'em out!

:/

Nesterofish

06-27-2006, 08:26 AM

If we can rent him cheap for two years and get a championship like the last time we got a player labeled "uncoachable" by Byron Scott, it's worth shedding Barry's salary.
Yeah let's get Stephe Ajckson back so he can assault people in the stands.

Quadzilla99

06-27-2006, 08:28 AM

Yeah let's get Stephe Ajckson back so he can assault people in the stands.

Yeah they didn't want him here because he had too many run-ins with Pop, but he's done a lot to rehab his image since then.

(That's sarcasm in case I'm not being clear.)

MoSpur

06-27-2006, 09:48 AM

I don't know why Spurs fans are dying for JR Smith when he's a shooting guard.

IMO, the Spurs need forwards.

I agree. We do need a forwards. However, if we trade Brent for JR Smith, we get rid of Barry's contract, which to many is not worth it or too much. In exchange we get younger and save a bunch of money. I think this is the main reason why people (Spurs fans) are excited about the possibility of getting Smith.

Obstructed_View

06-27-2006, 10:45 AM

Has he done anything since the McDonalds game of note?

Kori Ellis

06-27-2006, 10:50 AM

I agree. We do need a forwards. However, if we trade Brent for JR Smith, we get rid of Barry's contract, which to many is not worth it or too much. In exchange we get younger and save a bunch of money. I think this is the main reason why people (Spurs fans) are excited about the possibility of getting Smith.

Yeah I get that. It's just that 11 roster spaces are already filled. I'm interested in trading Barry for a more needed piece, seeing as there aren't many roster spots available.

furry_spurry

06-27-2006, 11:11 AM

Yeah I get that. It's just that 11 roster spaces are already filled. I'm interested in trading Barry for a more needed piece, seeing as there aren't many roster spots available.
That is part of what I wonder... It seems like NO would want to include another player in a trade for Brent- not using all that cap space just to get Brent Barry. In that case people are celebrating getting rid of Rasho's and Brent's contracts but they will have taken back 4 players for 2- having 12 guys already- and still not have another point guard, a long 3, or a traditional center of any type. They will have a bunch of PF's- none of which are the type the Spurs need- and SG's.

Tim
Rob
Fabricio
Bonner
Williams-- will he even ever be a Spur??
Bruce
Finley
Manu
JR Smith
Tony
Beno
NO player #2

This does not even inlcude Robertas- who would be #13.

So far to me it appears that the Spurs are making decisions that are purely financial and not basketball-related- surely not addressing the basketball needs of the team, but the bottom line money-wise. Sorry if I don't get excited about those moves. Pop is noticeably absent from all the press conferences, media interviews, and radio broadcasts. He is the coach now and I am sure his priorities are about the game, but the organization seems to be focused on the money right now.

Que Gee

06-27-2006, 11:12 AM

Yeah I get that. It's just that 11 roster spaces are already filled. I'm interested in trading Barry for a more needed piece, seeing as there aren't many roster spots available.

Mikale Pietrus is a possiblity for you.

Kori Ellis

06-27-2006, 11:14 AM

Mikale Pietrus is a possiblity for you.

Are the Warriors looking to move him?

Que Gee

06-27-2006, 11:19 AM

Are the Warriors looking to move him?

So I have heard...he's athletic and a great defender with a bigger upside offensively than Bruce. He'd be a good replacement.

And I didn't pick him out of thin air.
:spin

Que Gee

06-27-2006, 11:20 AM

Stojakovic also opted out of his last year with Indiana, so he's a free agent.

Kori Ellis

06-27-2006, 11:22 AM

So I have heard...he's athletic and a great defender with a bigger upside offensively than Bruce. He'd be a good replacement.

And I didn't pick him out of thin air.
:spin

:)

There'd have to be more to it than just Pietrus for Barry though. Any other names?

furry_spurry

06-27-2006, 11:25 AM

Mikale Pietrus is a possiblity for you.
Second time you have mentioned him-- could there be discussion of Brent for Pietrus. I had thought the only way to get him was to take on Derek Fisher's awful contract.

Brent/Beno for Pietrus/Fisher

Aggie Hoopsfan

06-27-2006, 11:27 AM

furry,

So far to me it appears that the Spurs are making decisions that are purely financial and not basketball-related- surely not addressing the basketball needs of the team, but the bottom line money-wise.

Give them some credit. They need to do some adjusting on the money aspect to address the needs of the team. Kinda hard to tackle what we need (PG, long 3, starting PF) with the LLE and MLE.

You don't know what other trades are coming down the pipe so it's kind of weak to be criticizing them for addressing needs, it's not even July 1 yet.

Sorry if I don't get excited about those moves. Pop is noticeably absent from all the press conferences, media interviews, and radio broadcasts.

Pop's never been at the PCs, media interviews, and radio broadcasts during the off-season, not sure why you're bent out of shape about that.

NorCal510

06-27-2006, 11:29 AM

Pietrus is a baller, but I doubt we get him

Kori Ellis

06-27-2006, 11:31 AM

Pop's never been at the PCs, media interviews, and radio broadcasts during the off-season, not sure why you're bent out of shape about that.

I believe he's been out of town.

furry_spurry

06-27-2006, 11:34 AM

I believe he's been out of town.
With the Spurs working out draft prospects, Pop is out of town?

Kori Ellis

06-27-2006, 11:35 AM

With the Spurs working out draft prospects, Pop is out of town?

I don't know how long he's been out of town. I just heard he wasn't in town the day that Bonner arrived.

furry_spurry

06-27-2006, 11:36 AM

Stojakovic also opted out of his last year with Indiana, so he's a free agent.
I would not be shocked if he joined Rasho in Toronto.

MaNu4Tres

06-27-2006, 11:42 AM

For the fans that wouldn't take J.R. Smith....aare u serious??.Just because he is 6'6" not 6'8" please...I would take J.R. Smith for many reasons....one is that he is a young athletic wing that is quick enough to guard a josh howard or a jerry stackhouse....all of our wing players except manu and bruce got exposed by stackhouse and howard everytime the mavs ran isolation with howard and stack....2. he can shoot the three with effeciency, penetrate, and finish around the rim with authority......3. hes only 21 and has a bright future ahead of him ...with the guidence of pop and tim he has a world of potential......with manu turning 30 and finley turning 34...J.R. Smith would be a huge pickup...for us next year and the future...

MaNu4Tres

06-27-2006, 11:44 AM

lol and by the way...if we got j.r smith he would be in the 8 man rotation NOT the 11th man...ahead of bonner oberto williams and even beno as beno would see 15 minutes as the 9th man backing up tony

MaNu4Tres

06-27-2006, 11:47 AM

Where can i post J.R. Smith's youtube highlights? anyone?

MoSpur

06-27-2006, 11:47 AM

The only way I take JR Smith if I am the Spurs, is I get rid of one of the guards, which is more than likely going to be Barry. I think thats the way it goes down if it goes down. I'd love to have him with the Spurs. He is only 21 and needs a change of atmosphere.

ducks

06-27-2006, 11:47 AM

smith does not fill the need the spurs need the MOST
a long three for small ball
barry played great
spurs did not lose because they were old like some think and the media

do you think smith would beat out mike
I DO NOT

MaNu4Tres

06-27-2006, 12:00 PM

number 1. I agree with spurs need a long 3....but who's out there in free agency to make that happen lol seriously?/....the only "long 3's" 6'9" and up.in the nba....are darius miles...josh smith..lou deng....rashard lewis..lamar odom....and jared jeffries( who is a REstricted free agent)...<im all for getting him...but id bet all my money wizards match any offer in the Mid level exception........all the rest of the free agents rasual bulter...jamaine jones...are 6'7"-6'8".....id take a 6'6" JR smith over them anyday..because of his ability..age...and potential

number 2. Barry played up to his potential( which is good not great).. for a month and a half out of two full seasons....he is effecient from the 3....but all the other aspects of his game are dimenished ..and u can see it with the lack of confidence he plays with every time he gets his 19 minutes a game

MaNu4Tres

06-27-2006, 12:02 PM

....J.R. smith wouldnt take Finley's first wing off the bench role...but J.R. smith would be the second and still get 22-24 minutes a game

Que Gee

06-27-2006, 12:19 PM

:)

There'd have to be more to it than just Pietrus for Barry though. Any other names?

Probably Nazr. And from the W's, I don't know...Just a rumor I heard, I don't know how legit it is.

MaNu4Tres

06-27-2006, 12:21 PM

Warriors already spend 8 million a year on the center position with adonal foyle.....there's No way warriors trade pietrus for barry

MoSpur

06-27-2006, 12:39 PM

I doubt a trade with the Warriors goes down.

Bruno

06-27-2006, 01:16 PM

Probably Nazr. And from the W's, I don't know...Just a rumor I heard, I don't know how legit it is.

:worthy: Troy Murphy :worthy:

MoSpur

06-27-2006, 01:19 PM

:worthy: Troy Murphy :worthy:

I seriously doubt it. He is owed something like $50 + mil until like 2011.

SPARKY

06-27-2006, 01:41 PM

:worthy: Troy Murphy :worthy:

:smokin

Brutalis

06-27-2006, 02:12 PM

What you guys don't seem to understand fully is what could we get for Barry that's better than JR?

ducks

06-27-2006, 02:14 PM

why do spurs need to trade him
they could get more for him next year his contract is shorter
who knows if he plays like he did after the trade deadline he never would have been almost traded

Mr. Body

06-27-2006, 02:21 PM

why do spurs need to trade him
they could get more for him next year his contract is shorter
who knows if he plays like he did after the trade deadline he never would have been almost traded

I would rather keep him, too.

I'm expecting a complete overhaul of the Spurs' bench, even including Ben Udrih, with Michael Finley and Robert Horry being the only remaining pieces. With young guards and Javtokas coming in, why not retain the ball-handler and glue-guy that is Brent Barry? He's still valuable for at least one year - after which he's even more attractive to teams.

If you don't need him halfway through the season, couple him with Eric Williams and you have a $9 million cap slot to go out and get what you need.

Big P

06-27-2006, 02:56 PM

I can understand why people would want Pietrus over Smith, myself included, but Pietrus is not a forward, he is also 6'6 & a SG...there's basically no chance to get Pietrus without taking one of their horrendous contracts with him, ie. Foyle, Fisher, Murphy...without one of those guys included, you wont get Pietrus.

MI21

06-27-2006, 03:34 PM

JR Smith would be a fan favourite after about 10 games, no doubt. Make it happy.

Barry is deemed ineffective somehwat because the Spurs already have an old 3pt shooting backup swingman, and he is better than Brent.

Bring Smith in and watch Tony not be alone on those fast breaks :spin

Mr. Body

06-27-2006, 03:39 PM

Matt Bonner will be a fan favorite, too. We'll let both fairly useless players duke it out.

What we need are players to play hard and well, not fan favorites.

tempest186

06-27-2006, 03:49 PM

Any package from the Spurs that didn't involve the big 3 and netted Pietrus and Murphy would be a steal. I don't see it happening. Even if Murphy's contract is large he is still a double double machine that can stretch defenses.

MI21

06-27-2006, 04:02 PM

Matt Bonner will be a fan favorite, too. We'll let both fairly useless players duke it out.

What we need are players to play hard and well, not fan favorites.

Gee, really? :blah

Smith would be a fan favourite because of his play. Not a fan favourite because he is useless, like you are implying.

T Park

06-27-2006, 04:03 PM

With the Spurs working out draft prospects, Pop is out of town?

Pop hardly attends those things.

:lol

your acting like he attends EVERYTHING.

Theres a reason hes promoted guys like Budenholzer, Presti, Buford, and Demps.

They know how to evaluate talent, especially Presti and Buford.

Chill.

Mr. Body

06-27-2006, 04:16 PM

Gee, really? :blah

Smith would be a fan favourite because of his play. Not a fan favourite because he is useless, like you are implying.

I'd be stunned if he's worth more than useless. That's my point.

Bonner and Smith are career deep bench players. One because of his piss-poor attitude.

MoSpur

06-27-2006, 04:27 PM

I'd be stunned if he's worth more than useless. That's my point.

Bonner and Smith are career deep bench players. One because of his piss-poor attitude.

A lot of people thought that about a lot of guys who are pretty good.

Slinkyman

06-27-2006, 05:23 PM

I'd be stunned if he's worth more than useless. That's my point.

Bonner and Smith are career deep bench players. One because of his piss-poor attitude.

Smith is a career bench player? he's only been in the league 2 years and started 81 out of 131 games yeah career bench player indeed.

T Park

06-27-2006, 05:31 PM

JR Smith, if people arent all over getting this guy, for a career scrub like Barry, is nuts...

Mr. Body

06-27-2006, 05:33 PM

He has Ron Mercer written all over him. Probably has a Mercer tattoo.

T Park

06-27-2006, 05:35 PM

:lol

good lord....

Kori Ellis

06-27-2006, 05:42 PM

JR Smith, if people arent all over getting this guy, for a career scrub like Barry, is nuts...

How much have you seen of JR Smith?

He doesn't shoot well (sub 40 percent), can't rebound, doesn't pass, etc. I know he's a good athlete with some potential if he actually shows up to practice. But I don't get why Spurs fans have a collective hard-on for him. Barry isn't a career scrub. The Spurs might be able to get more than JR Smith for him (maybe, maybe not). But I just don't understand why Spurs fan are dying for Smith.

Everyone compares Smith to SJax's situation with NJ, but I don't think it's the same. SJ complained about playing time and whined/rolled his eyes about being at the end of the bench, but he didn't disrespect the coaching staff like JR has.

JR has refused to come to practice. Refused to come to meetings with the coaches. Shown up to practice with only 10 or 15 minutes left and not addressed the coaches or his teammates and just shot alone at the other end of the gym.

SJax never behaved like that.

T Park

06-27-2006, 05:49 PM

No but a guy named Devin Brown did.

This guy is Devin and Jackson combined.

Mark my words.

How much have you seen of JR Smith?

Quite a bit a couple years ago when he was the man.

The kid is a stud, and a future all star.

Kori Ellis

06-27-2006, 05:51 PM

No but a guy named Devin Brown did.

This guy is Devin and Jackson combined.

Mark my words.
Devin Brown did??

Quite a bit a couple years ago when he was the man.

The kid is a stud, and a future all star.

Where?

In highschool?

Slinkyman

06-27-2006, 05:53 PM

Smith has potential and with Manu and Finley the spurs can take a flyer on a SG with potential, it doesn't solve the need as SF but maybe the spurs have another deal for that. Smith is a cheap, low risk experiment that the spurs could end after just one season and right now we're stuck with barry's contract for the next 2 years at over 10 million dollars. That's alot for a 3rd string SG.

Barkley always said he was lucky to go to a team (76ers) that had alot of veterans who could show him the way, how to be a star, be a man, etc. Putting Smith on the spurs with Fin, Tim, and Horry could have that same effect where JR grows up realizes his potential. Maybe not but it's worth the risk and in the end the spurs still save a shit load of money.

T Park

06-27-2006, 05:55 PM

Where?

In highschool?

:lol

no his rookie year when he got a BUNCH of playing time.

Devin Brown did??

I believe Brown wasn't the most punctual nor the hardest worker, when he was with the Spurs and when Elie was coaching.

Mr. Body

06-27-2006, 05:56 PM

I believe Brown wasn't the most punctual nor the hardest worker, when he was with the Spurs and when Elie was coaching.

That's a major reason they got rid of him, eh?

Kori Ellis

06-27-2006, 06:00 PM

That's a major reason they got rid of him, eh?

Devin was late and called in "sick" on occasion to practice. But the main reason they got rid of him was concerns regarding his back.

However, he never just didn't come to practice (without even calling) like JR Smith has made a habit of doing.

I know Scott sucks when relating to young players, but I think the Spurs should look to move Barry to get a forward or a backup point guard before they go for a shooting guard.

Mr. Body

06-27-2006, 06:02 PM

Barry for JR Smith was a salary dump trade when Barry was whiffing and sucking. Now he's playing better and the Spurs have gotten rid of Rasho's salary. Why revisit it now?

T Park

06-27-2006, 06:02 PM

That's a major reason they got rid of him, eh?

Michael Finley, and his back were reasons.

T Park

06-27-2006, 06:03 PM

Now he's playing better and the Spurs have gotten rid of Rasho's salary

rewatch the dallas series and tell me again ow hes "playing better"

Mr. Body

06-27-2006, 06:04 PM

rewatch the dallas series and tell me again ow hes "playing better"

Seriously, dude, you're on crack if you think JR Smith would have done anything but suck massive ass against Dallas.

Kori Ellis

06-27-2006, 06:11 PM

That all being said, I wouldn't mind JR Smith here. Eventually the Spurs need to pickup some young, athletic guys.

But with 11 roster spots filled and Javtokas reportedly coming to make 12, I think if the Spurs make moves it should be for a forward and a point guard.

T Park

06-27-2006, 06:12 PM

Seriously, dude, you're on crack if you think JR Smith would have done anything but suck massive ass against Dallas

couldn't have sucked any more ass than that scared bitch Barry did.

Mr. Body

06-27-2006, 06:31 PM

Um... good one. You've convinced me - JR Smith's teh BESTS!!!1!

ChumpDumper

06-27-2006, 06:37 PM

JR would be first and foremost a salary dump. If he develops into a useful player it's gravy.

shaggy17

06-27-2006, 07:29 PM

How much have you seen of JR Smith?

He doesn't shoot well (sub 40 percent), can't rebound, doesn't pass, etc. I know he's a good athlete with some potential if he actually shows up to practice. But I don't get why Spurs fans have a collective hard-on for him. Barry isn't a career scrub. The Spurs might be able to get more than JR Smith for him (maybe, maybe not). But I just don't understand why Spurs fan are dying for Smith.

Everyone compares Smith to SJax's situation with NJ, but I don't think it's the same. SJ complained about playing time and whined/rolled his eyes about being at the end of the bench, but he didn't disrespect the coaching staff like JR has.

JR has refused to come to practice. Refused to come to meetings with the coaches. Shown up to practice with only 10 or 15 minutes left and not addressed the coaches or his teammates and just shot alone at the other end of the gym.

SJax never behaved like that.

I am a HUGE Barry homer but even I am for this trade. Think about it Kori...I know JR isnt a long 3 but he is a 20-21 year old who has a ton of upside for a cheap price and we will be dealing a 34 year for him. If we screw around trying for other options that could be very risky and this situation may not occur again. Yeah he has issues with his coach but this is the friggin Hornets (crappy ownership and have been lottery bound which doesnt make the situation better) and their coach hasnt had all that great of luck with rookies. Cory Dillon didnt cause hell when he joined the Pats now did he?? Not saying this is a guarntee to occur but he is cheap and Barry isnt getting younger. Plus his actions wont be tolerated here but it could be a nice steal if he plays to his potiental and matures and no better place to do it then the Spurs! If you have a chance to deal a 34 year old role player for a 20-21 year old who is cheaper with potiental..you do it!!

Kori Ellis

06-27-2006, 07:35 PM

I am a HUGE Barry homer but even I am for this trade. Think about it Kori...I know JR isnt a long 3 but he is a 20-21 year old who has a ton of upside for a cheap price and we will be dealing a 34 year for him. If we screw around trying for other options that could be very risky and this situation may not occur again. Yeah he has issues with his coach but this is the friggin Hornets (crappy ownership and have been lottery bound which doesnt make the situation better) and their coach hasnt had all that great of luck with rookies. Cory Dillon didnt cause hell when he joined the Pats now did he?? Not saying this is a guarntee to occur but he is cheap and Barry isnt getting younger. Plus his actions wont be tolerated here but it could be a nice steal if he plays to his potiental and matures and no better place to do it then the Spurs! If you have a chance to deal a 34 year old role player for a 20-21 year old who is cheaper with potiental..you do it!!

Yeah I would agree with all that, if the Spurs didn't have any other needs. If I'm the Spurs I would still look to dump Barry for a player they desperately need (an athletic forward or a point guard) before JR Smith.

SpursWoman

06-27-2006, 08:06 PM

:smokin

:tu :lol

Big P

06-27-2006, 08:22 PM

It all comes down to, what true long, 6'9-6'10 SF is available? Realistically? Jared Jefferies, Rashard Lewis, Jalen Rose...who else?..I don't see what SF we could trade Barry for...the Barry for Smith/Macijauskas trade would be a very good move on the Spurs part..we get an influx of youth & atleticism in Smith & hopefully, if Macijauskas is included we get a dead-eye 3 point shooter, while also losing Barrys contract....one player that I wouldn't mind, if we could trade with Phoenix again, would be James Jones..6'8, SF ..can shoot, rebound & block..he's on a reasonable contract making about $2.5 mil. for the next few years & the Suns might be looking to trade him to free up money for TT this year & Diaw next year...not sure if we would trade with Phoenix or vice versa, but JJ would seem like a good fit & he MIGHT be available.

spurschick

06-27-2006, 08:54 PM

Yeah I would agree with all that, if the Spurs didn't have any other needs. If I'm the Spurs I would still look to dump Barry for a player they desperately need (an athletic forward or a point guard) before JR Smith.

I'd like to see Macijauskas in that trade.

Kori Ellis

06-27-2006, 08:58 PM

Macijauskas' shot has sucked so far in the NBA (small sample size, I know). I think maybe he's too slow (and has too low of a release) to get off his shot in this league.

Mr. Body

06-27-2006, 08:58 PM

The problem I have with Macijauskas is he's expensive. Not terribly expensive, but it may be dead weight if he doesn't contribute anything.

spurschick

06-27-2006, 09:00 PM

Macijauskas' shot has sucked so far in the NBA (small sample size, I know). I think maybe he's too slow (and has too low of a release) to get off his shot in this league.

He did seem a lot better in Europe, but he brought a lot of energy with what little PT he got here. I would like to see what he could do with more minutes. Who knows - maybe Pop would give him some time at 3rd PG. Scott certainly isn't going to do anything with him.

Kori Ellis

06-27-2006, 09:01 PM

He did seem a lot better in Europe, but he brought a lot of energy with what little PT he got here. I would like to see what he could do with more minutes. Who knows - maybe Pop would give him some time at 3rd PG. Scott certainly isn't going to do anything with him.

For the minimum, I'd agree. I don't know if I'd want to pay him 2.5M though.

spurschick

06-27-2006, 09:02 PM

For the minimum, I'd agree. I don't know if I'd want to pay him 2.5M though.

Oh, hell no! :lol But if the guy wants another chance to prove himself here, he's probably going to have to take the minimum. He hasn't proven himself enough for more than that.

Big P

06-27-2006, 09:10 PM

exstatic

06-27-2006, 09:13 PM

Oh, hell no! :lol But if the guy wants another chance to prove himself here, he's probably going to have to take the minimum. He hasn't proven himself enough for more than that.
Unfortunately, his current contract IS worth about 2.5M and lasts thru next season.

exstatic

06-27-2006, 09:14 PM

There had to be some type of interest from the Spurs for Macijauskas..he was part of the original deal...I think he could really blossom with all the double teams on Timmy..he just needs the time..he is a little expensive at $2.5, but its for 2 years only & he would be off the books in 08' which is when we need him to be off the books.

Repeat after me: SALARY BALLAST. Smith made about 1.5M and Barry about 4.7M last year. Both teams were over the cap during the season, so the salaries had to be within 25% +- some small figure. They weren't.