View Full Version : For Poker Players...one of the greatest reads I've seen.
SoCalSpursFan
06-27-2006, 05:10 PM
You may or may not have seen this, and it's 4 minutes, but if you love poker, you will enjoy it...
Phil Ivey at his best...he already had a 4:1 chip lead at the time.
One of the greatest reads I've seen... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEfLXr3eSxs)
DarkReign
06-27-2006, 05:16 PM
Total bullshit. Good call by Ivey, but cmon! He was 4:1
DarkReign
06-27-2006, 05:17 PM
And please...when Ivey re-raised and the guy did not go all-in, it was obvious.
T Park
06-27-2006, 05:45 PM
Yeah Dark Reign, you could tell after he didn't go all in Ivey's eyes got a little wide.
Great video.
PS
Im weird this way, but TIMVP and Ivey seem identical.
MannyIsGod
06-27-2006, 06:04 PM
Not really that great of a read. Ivey is incredible, and that was a prety good play but as far as reads go it was nothing I'd cream my pants about.
The flop comes 7JJ and he has a big stack. On average you hit a flop about 1/3 of the time, the rest of the time it complely misses you. When the board is paired, it is even LESS likely the flop helps you.
So, because Ivey has a huge stack and the flop is very unlikely to have helped his oppoent, he fires off a bet. Most of the time he takes down the pot here. Now, this is where his opponent fucked up and didn't have the balls to make the right move. He himself knows that the flop is very unlikely to have helped Ivey so he throws out a raise. But the raise is so small it smells like a reraise with nothing. If he wanted to make a play here, I would have said moving AI was the right one. Commiting that percentage of your stack when you're already short just looks ultra weak. If he had a jack he's not raising here. All In is the only way he wins his pot.
So, Ivey knows at this point he's being played back at becaue Jack woudln't play it that way 95% of the time. Knowing this and being as aggressive as Ivey is, he fires the reraise.
Now, when the other guy reraises back again, he should have definetly moved AI. The fact that he left 300k in chips behind when the pot is so huge just screams weakness.
At this point, Ivey might think he has a 7. But the pot is so huge, that even if he has a 7 moving AI at this point gives him the appropriate odds to play the hand out with the number of outs he has.
It was a well played hand by Ivey, but it just goes to show that making pussy moves only gets you in trouble. Either make a move and make it with force or save your chips and fold.
MannyIsGod
06-27-2006, 06:05 PM
And please...when Ivey re-raised and the guy did not go all-in, it was obvious.Exactly, the other guy could not have transmitted his hand any harder had he tried.
2centsworth
06-27-2006, 06:48 PM
Nice read. Pick-up "One of a Kind" to read about some of the greatest reads of all times. Stuey Ungar will blow your mind.
TheSanityAnnex
06-27-2006, 11:12 PM
I see Ivey a lot in Long Beach playing golf at the local courses. The man may be a poker genius, but he fucking sucks at golf.
SequSpur
06-27-2006, 11:16 PM
Manny > Ivey
Exactly, the other guy could not have transmitted his hand any harder had he tried.
A low reraise like that would have to make me think that he was trying to sucker me in by having me think exactly what you are thinking. The guy made it to the final two with Phil Ivey so I have to give him a little credit. He was right to think Ivey was bluffing, but just didn't have the high card or chip stack to go all-in with.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3Z5Ir6YU7A&mode=related&search=
MannyIsGod
06-28-2006, 04:08 AM
A low reraise like that would have to make me think that he was trying to sucker me in by having me think exactly what you are thinking. The guy made it to the final two with Phil Ivey so I have to give him a little credit. He was right to think Ivey was bluffing, but just didn't have the high card or chip stack to go all-in with.He has to think Ivey is bluffing, and so the only way he wins this hand is by pushing. When you're playing against a bluff, you have to push while you have to maximize your fold equity and he did a real piss poor job of that. The way it played out it was very easy for Phil Ivey to tell what he was doing considering the aggressive reputation Phil Ivey has. I don't know much about the guy, but to be playing in that tournament surely means he's 2403840380284 times the player I'll ever be. Thats not to say he didn't play this hand badly because he did.
In fact, I think it is pretty much impossible to play the hand much worse than he did. He commited a HUGE portin of his chipstack in small meaningless raises that gave him very little chance of taking down the pot. In the end, he crippled himself almost as badly as going all in and getting called would have but gave himself much less of a chance.
He has to think Ivey is bluffing, and so the only way he wins this hand is by pushing. When you're playing against a bluff, you have to push while you have to maximize your fold equity and he did a real piss poor job of that. The way it played out it was very easy for Phil Ivey to tell what he was doing considering the aggressive reputation Phil Ivey has. I don't know much about the guy, but to be playing in that tournament surely means he's 2403840380284 times the player I'll ever be. Thats not to say he didn't play this hand badly because he did.
In fact, I think it is pretty much impossible to play the hand much worse than he did. He commited a HUGE portin of his chipstack in small meaningless raises that gave him very little chance of taking down the pot. In the end, he crippled himself almost as badly as going all in and getting called would have but gave himself much less of a chance.
I can see that.
How come the commentators were saying Phil Ivey has to fold now?
SoCalSpursFan
06-28-2006, 04:50 PM
How come the commentators were saying Phil Ivey has to fold now?
the guys calling the tourny were horrible...prob two of the worst I have ever heard.
the guys calling the tourny were horrible...prob two of the worst I have ever heard.
Icee.
Phil Hellmuth
06-28-2006, 05:34 PM
People forgetting the stakes present here.
Decisions are a lot more strategic when millions are at stake.
This is not some 20 dollar buy in tourney here.
Give Ivey a lot of credit.
great play.
MannyIsGod
06-28-2006, 05:45 PM
People forgetting the stakes present here.
Decisions are a lot more strategic when millions are at stake.
This is not some 20 dollar buy in tourney here.
Give Ivey a lot of credit.
great play.
I think it was a good play, but I don't think the stakes have anything to do with it. I've read about reads/plays much better than this by many high stakes pros. There just aren't TV cameras around most of the time.
Jimcs50
06-29-2006, 09:33 AM
The call was no big deal. Had the guy had a 7, he would have gone all in after Ivey's bet. Had he had a jack, he would have just called Phil.
GINNNNNNNNNNNNOBILI
06-29-2006, 01:50 PM
And please...when Ivey re-raised and the guy did not go all-in, it was obvious.
Alot of pro's would disguise a monster hand as a weak steal attempt, now I do know that Paul Jackson is a well respected internet pro, but I'm not too familiar with his game, but obviously Ivey knew him well enough to know that was not a move that he'd make.
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