troy murphy?

[silk]

He couls opens things up for TD. Three team trade maybe could get him us.Warriors wants to unload his salary.

[SPARKY]

:smokin

[Kori Ellis]

I talked about this in another thread a couple days ago. He's one guy I would like to see on the Spurs even though his contract is a little long.

[FromWayDowntown]

I'll join the chorus in pimping Murphy as a solution. Not a perfect solution, but a pretty good one.

[silk]

do you have a link toward this thread? what about his defense? decent quickness and IQ?

[Quadzilla99]

He has a ridiculous contract if I remember correctly.

[CubanMustGo]

I talked about this in another thread a couple days ago. He's one guy I would like to see on the Spurs even though his contract is a little long.

Yow! Signed thru at least 2010-11 at $8.3->$12M PA. No wonder GS wants to unload his contract. Still, 14 and 10 wouldn't be bad if he could play some center.

78% career FT shooting makes him an unlikely Spur :lol

[MrChug]

The guys is a b-tier player with an a-tier contract. Yes, he could definitely help ANY team, but not their long-term goals. Too expensive. Smart, hard-nosed, polished player, maniacal rebounder, rangy shooter that stretches defenses. Serviceable at best on the defensive end, maybe even a liability. No shot-blocking ability or capacity to stay with quicker forwards. Slow of foot. Fit into our defensive philosophy? Probably not...and I consider myself a fan!

[MoSpur]

Too expensive.

[ChumpDumper]

what about his defense? decent quickness and IQ?No, no and yes.

Has the range and rebounding to work here, but Goddam Mullin and his stupid contracts.

[Bruno]

If we want a starting PF without trading one of the big 3, he can't be perfect.
We don't have enough trade assets to get a cheap, not injury prone, with a good attitude, quite young starting PF.
Yes, Murphy is quite overpaid but that's why we can get him. We have save some money with Rasho/Malik trades, Murphy isn't a bad investisment.

[ducks]

murphy did a good job defending duncan

[SpursChampsIII]

I would take this guy in a heartbeat. He can do the things we need most...score and rebound. I'm not sure about defense, but it looks like we are going small-ball anyway.

[ChumpDumper]

Is he still BYC?

[Bruno]

Is he still BYC?

He won't be BYC after july 1st.

[boutons_]

yeah, I like Murphy. likes to mix it up, board, defend, body on body, take some of the dirty work off/run interference for Tim. Only 5 years in the league, he could even have some significant development left in him. 6'11", 250, big enough.

Ok, his contract is hard to swallow, but I think the guy could be serious contributor, difference maker.

But I'd rather see if Robertas could provide the same kick and hustle for a lot cheaper.

[Quadzilla99]

Heres the ESPN Insider analysis by sportswriter John Hollinger. It is from before the 2004-05 season:
One of the best shooting big men in the game, Murphy was uncharacteristically inaccurate last year because of a broken thumb on his shooting hand. He suffered a brutal shooting stretch upon his return, shooting 32 percent in his first 10 games back to drag down his season totals. Murphy is deadly from middle ranges and moved out to the 3-point line last season, hitting 39.9 percent from downtown. He should continue to focus on that shot, as it will make him a much more valuable player than the long two-pointers he had been hoisting previously.

Murphy gets the rest of his points on put-backs from offensive rebounds. Although he's not a leaper, he has a knack for tipping balls to himself and excels at muscling opponents out of the way for position. He has a limited post game, though, and has to learn how to make a lay-up with his right hand.

Also, Murphy struggled on defense, as his Defensive PER shows. He has slow feet, he's a poor shot-blocker, and his post defense needs work. His inability to defend is a major reason Foyle is so important for Golden State, because Montgomery can hide Murphy on the opponent's weakest interior player. However, Murphy partly makes up for those deficiencies with his work on the boards.

Mullin rewarded Murphy with a six-year, $58 million extension before last season, and while Murphy probably won't justify that valuation, he's become a solid starter. Only by improving the defense and adding 3-point range would he be worth the extravagant contract.

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He shoots a low percentage in the low to mid 40s wich is low for a PF. I don't like him personally but he has positives.

[ducks]

he played very well against spurs

[jman3000]

he played very well against spurs

If I recall correctly, he hit a couple (a few?) 3's against us one of the times he played us and had a big game.

[T Park]

Murphy next to Duncan, could play a Nowitzki like game.

Making jumpers, getting to the rim when he wants, but hes one HELL of a rebounder.


Murphy would be a great fit.

[SPARKY]

Troy Murphy would be an excellent bigman to start alongside Tim Duncan for the rest of his career. He's a strong rebounder, not afraid to mix it up inside, he has great range on his jumper, gets to his spots on the court, etc...a modern day Lambeer. TD needs someone up front who isn't soft. Someone who isn't afraid to dunk the rock and play in the paint. Also someone who can step outside and his the J to open up some space inside. His contract is the one obstacle, but this I will ask you, Spurs fans: would you rather have paid Radoslav $24 mil over 3 years to be a giant vagina in the post?

[ChumpDumper]

Um, we traded Rasho.

[ducks]

so how do spurs get him?

[SPARKY]

Um, we traded Rasho.

Um, yeah. So what?

[Quadzilla99]

He can't guard anybody. It's as simple as this: you can score 40 but if you give up 55 it don't matter.

[SPARKY]

TMurph has $50 mil and 5 years left on his contract. A bit on the pricey side, but I'd rather see him get that than Nesterovic or Mohammed.

[ChumpDumper]

So complain about Holt not wanting to spend the money on Murphy. We all know where this is going.

[SPARKY]

He can't guard nobody. It's as simple as this: you can score 40 but if you give up 55 it don't matter.

Sure he can.

[ducks]

so what 10 million are you going to give gs to say yes?

[SPARKY]

So complain about Holt not wanting to spend the money on Murphy. We all know where this is going.

Much better than making excuses as to why they can't spend any despite dropping Rose and Rasho's deals in the last 16 months.

[ChumpDumper]

Who's making excuses?

[ducks]

who are you going to offer gs for murphy

[Beer is Good]

who are you going to offer gs for murphy
Oberto + Beno + two translators :lol

[shaggy17]

I talked about this in another thread a couple days ago. He's one guy I would like to see on the Spurs even though his contract is a little long.
Ummm first of all who would we give up in order to get murphy? We would have to trad 3-4 guys just to add up to his bloated contract. Hell we need a backup pg lets get Derek Fisher while we are at it. He would be a perfect backup pg even though his contract is bloated :lol . NO on getting murphy because of that bloated contract and us having to trade and in ways blowup the team in order to get him.

[Quadzilla99]

Sure he can.

Dude read the Insider report I just posted in this thread. I thought he was Ok then I read that. His defense has been downgraded from suspect to a full blown liability.

[silk]

Getting him would certainly require a three team trade. We have a couple of asset in scola, expiring contracts, williams, bonner, barry, oberto, udrih....Buford is certainly smarter than us whan it comes to this type of things lol...but i don't think it's taht impossible..

[Buddy Holly]

Getting him would certainly require a three team trade. We have a couple of asset in scola, expiring contracts, williams, bonner, barry, oberto, udrih....Buford is certainly smarter than us whan it comes to this type of things lol...but i don't think it's taht impossible..

For the 18th million time, you can't trade Bonner and Williams in package until like December.

[Mr. Body]

A $10 mill contract is a huge risk for the Spurs at this point, for that long. Effectively, if Troy Murphy doesn't work out, there's no way of moving that contract, plus any other moves are hamstrung.

No can do.

[ducks]

For the 18th million time, you can't trade Bonner and Williams in package until like December.

for the 18 million time it is 2 months
aug 21 I believe is the date

DO YOUR HOMEWORK BEFORE YOU ACT LIKE YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT :lol :angel

[T Park]

lol

SUPRISE!!

MRBODY REJECTS ANOTHER PLAYER!!!!

[exstatic]

For the 18th million time, you can't trade Bonner and Williams in package until like December.
August 21st.

[ducks]

bump

[Bob Lanier]

PER is a crock of shit.

Murphy is a decent defender. Not great, but a hell of a lot better than Matt Bonner. He can defend the post (especially against big men who like the turnaround jumpshot, although he can bang with power players as well) and the perimeter, and he's tough. However, his weakside defense is nonexistent and he can be broken down off the dribble by more athletic big men.

[ducks]

gs beat dallas three times this last year right?

murphy could have been a key

[ducks]

PER is a crock of shit.

Murphy is a decent defender. Not great, but a hell of a lot better than Matt Bonner. He can defend the post (especially against big men who like the turnaround jumpshot, although he can bang with power players as well) and the perimeter, and he's tough. However, his weakside defense is nonexistent and he can be broken down off the dribble by more athletic big men.


that is where MR DUNCAN COMES IN :elephant :elephant :elephant :elephant :elephant :elephant :elephant :elephant :elephant :elephant :elephant

[strangeweather]

Murphy is a decent defender. Not great, but a hell of a lot better than Matt Bonner. He can defend the post (especially against big men who like the turnaround jumpshot, although he can bang with power players as well) and the perimeter, and he's tough. However, his weakside defense is nonexistent and he can be broken down off the dribble by more athletic big men.
Sounds like an upgrade over Nazr's defense (though not Rasho's).

[itzsoweezee]

golden state doesn't want him and there're good reasons why. overpaid, plays ZERO defense, afraid to take it inside. he can rebound, but that's the only aspect of his game that would help the spurs. nazr could rebound too, but that wasn't good enough, i guess. i don't see why murphy would be.

[itzsoweezee]

PER is a crock of shit.

Murphy is a decent defender. Not great, but a hell of a lot better than Matt Bonner. He can defend the post (especially against big men who like the turnaround jumpshot, although he can bang with power players as well) and the perimeter, and he's tough. However, his weakside defense is nonexistent and he can be broken down off the dribble by more athletic big men.


you're full of shit. ask any golden state fan, they'll tell you that he's a horrible defender.

[ducks]

T. Murphy 28 7-10 1-2 1-2 2 6 3 1 0 0 2 16 against dallas gs won
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore?gid=2006041209

T. Murphy 28 2-5 1-1 3-3 0 3 2 0 0 0 4 8
in dallas gs won dirk goes off for 50 though
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore?gid=2006032306

T. Murphy 39 9-15 1-2 3-4 3 14 1 2 0 0 3 22 dallas won
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore?gid=2006012509

T. Murphy 40 7-12 0-1 4-6 5 14 1 3 1 0 4 18 gs won http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore?gid=2005123006

[Mr. Body]

That contract is absolutely disgusting.

[Quadzilla99]

PER is a crock of shit.

Murphy is a decent defender. Not great, but a hell of a lot better than Matt Bonner. He can defend the post (especially against big men who like the turnaround jumpshot, although he can bang with power players as well) and the perimeter, and he's tough. However, his weakside defense is nonexistent and he can be broken down off the dribble by more athletic big men.

I agree PER is not going to catch on and is stupid. But I can't stand big men who can't block shots whatsoever, also his quickness and help defense are non-existent. He is soft from what I've seen too and is one of the reasons GS is such a weak defensive team. At least he can rebound that helps on the defensive end. .

[Mr. Body]

With his size he should be able to block shots, but has averaged 0.4 per game.

I like him and ordinarily would jump at this, but don't think the Spurs can afford 4 players with $10M+ contracts per season, with Duncan soon approaching $20M/year. This means you are put well over the cap with just 4/5 of a starting unit. The only way this F.O. takes on a contract this size, IMO, is getting rid of one of those other guys, obviously a bad idea.

Facts are facts, sadly, and the ugly fact of this one is his horrid contract.

[Quadzilla99]

Maybe Cuban wants him. He traded for Croshere when he already had KVH and Dirk maybe he's trying to corner the market on 6'10 and up white jump shooting power forwards (who can't play defense). He's off to great start.

[Mr. Body]

Cuban seems a no-brainer. He wants to corner the market on J-shooting soft white guys he always wanted to be.

[DDS4]

I've watched almost every Warrior game since Murphy has been there.

Murphy is a good fit IF:

1) he changes his defensive habits...hard to do, but if there's one team that can change that, it's the Spurs.

2) Spurs aren't looking for a conventional post-up 4/5. Murphy is a face-up shooter from 15 feet and back. He has no post-up game to speak of. But he's added 3-point range. His favorite spots are the top of the key and the elbows. That could complement Bowen's 3-point spots on the side quite nicely.

3) Spurs are willing to take on his contract.

That's a lot of if's.