In Retrospect, In Their Respective Years, Where Would Tony And Manu Be Selected?

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In Retrospect, In Their Respective Years, Where Would Tony And Manu Be Selected?

[mardigan]

Top 10. both of them

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

There was a pretty good ESPN (I think Page 2) article that did this. Check their archives, I remember it being a good read.

[exstatic]

1999 draft wasn't bad. Manu would be probably somewhere in the top 7.

2001 draft was shit in retrospect. In the top 10, only Gasol, Jason Richardson and Joe Johnson are anything. Tony, as a PG, might go #1 overall.

[FromWayDowntown]

There was a pretty good ESPN (I think Page 2) article that did this. Check their archives, I remember it being a good read.

1999 Draft Do-Over (Ginobili) (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft2005/news/story?page=redraft/1999)

2001 Draft Do-Over (Parker) (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft2005/news/story?page=redraft/2001&univLogin02=stateChanged)

[exstatic]

That's probably really helpful if you have Insider access...:rolleyes

[FromWayDowntown]

That's probably really helpful if you have Insider access...:rolleyes

Good point -- here's the summary:

1999 Re-Do (actual pick)
1. Elton Brand (Brand)
2. Andrei Kirilenko (Steve Francis)
3. Shawn Marion (Baron Davis)
4. Manu Ginobili (Lamar Odom)
5. Steve Francis (Johnathan Bender)
6. Andre Miller (Wally Szczerbiak)
7. Baron Davis (Rip Hamilton)
8. Jason Terry (Andre Miller)
9. Lamar Odom (Shawn Marion)
10. Corey Maggette (Jason Terry)
11. Rip Hamilton (Trajon Langdon)
12. Ron Artest (Alexander Radojevic)
13. Wally Szczerbiak (Corey Maggette)

2001 Re-Do (actual pick)
1. Pau Gasol (Kwame Brown)
2. Gilbert Arenas (Tyson Chandler)
3. Zach Randolph (Pau Gasol)
4. Tony Parker (Eddy Curry)
5. Jason Richardson (Richardson)
6. Richard Jefferson (Shane Battier)
7. Tyson Chandler (Eddie Griffin)
8. Eddy Curry (DeSagna Diop)
9. Mehmet Okur (Rodney White)
10. Sam Dalembert (Joe Johnson)
11. Joe Johnson (Kedrick Brown)
12. Troy Murphy (Vladimir Radmanovic)
13. Shane Battier (Richard Jefferson)

[exstatic]

I'd fire a GM who worked for me and picked Zach Randolph over Tony Parker.

Thanks, FWD.

[aaronstampler]

Manu would probably be 3rd in 1999, behind Elton Brand (1) and Shawn Marion (9).

Here's how the top 15 would look, IMO...

1. Elton Brand (1)
2. Shawn Marion (9)
3. Emmanuel Ginobili (57)
4. Richard Hamilton (7)
5. Andrei Kirilenko (24)
6. Ron Artest (16)
7. Lamar Odom (4)
8. Jason Terry (10)
9. Baron Davis (3)
10. Corey Maggette (13)
11. Steve Francis (2)
12. Wally Szczerbiak (6)
13. Andre Miller (8)
14. Jeff Foster (21)
15. James Posey (18)

An interesting draft really, I'm sure a lot of people would quibble with my rankings for 3-12, but a lot of those players are fairly close, guys who aren't superstars but have made an All-Star game or two. The 2nd round of the draft, except for Gino of course, was a complete disaster. Some really fringe players sticking around on rosters, but the best of the lot is Gordan Giricek at # 40.

Tony's draft, 2001, was a lot weaker, and it could be argued that the Warriors actually took the two best players. (In fact, I think they did). But overall, just a mediocre draft, some decent to good starters, but nothing to get too excited about.

1. Gilbert Arenas (31)
2. Pau Gasol (3)
3. Jason Richardson (5)
4. Tony Parker (28)
5. Richard Jefferson (13)
6. Mehmet Okur (38)
7. Joe Johnson (10)
8. Zach Randolph (19)
9. Gerald Wallace (25)
10. Eddy Curry (4)
11.Bobby Simmons (42)
12.Tyson Chandler (2)
13.Troy Murphy (11)
14. Shane Battier (6)
15. Jamaal Tinsley (27)

[FromWayDowntown]

These lists were put together about a year ago, and some of the considerations in play then have changed a bit in the meantime.

On sheer talent, Artest is ridiculously low and I'd think that Hamilton would have been a better pick than Maggette.

I think the 2001 is pretty close to correct.

[strangeweather]

I'd fire a GM who worked for me and picked Zach Randolph over Tony Parker.

Thanks, FWD.
A year ago, that didn't look quite as stupid.

[baseline bum]

1999 do-over

1. Shawn Marion
2. Elton Brand
3. Andrei Kirilenko
4. Manu Ginobili
5. Corey Maggette
6. Baron Davis
7. Rip Hamilton
8. Ron Artest
9. Jason Terry
10. Lamar Odom


2001 do-over

1. Gilbert Arenas
2. Pau Gasol
3. Tony Parker
4. Joe Johnson
5. Richard Jefferson
6. Jason Richardson
7. Mehmet Okur
8. Bobby Simmons
9. Vladimir Radmanovic
10. Earl Watson

[ShoogarBear]

bb, you either hate Zach Randolph or your forgot him in 2001.

[TDMVPDPOY]

tp will not be drafted cose im a hater

[baseline bum]

bb, you either hate Zach Randolph or your forgot him in 2001.

I hate Randolph. He's a cancer and one-dimensional, and his d makes Nazr look like Olajuwon.

[timvp]

1999 do-over

1. Shawn Marion
2. Elton Brand
3. Andrei Kirilenko
4. Manu Ginobili
5. Corey Maggette
6. Baron Davis
7. Rip Hamilton
8. Ron Artest
9. Jason Terry
10. Lamar Odom


2001 do-over

1. Gilbert Arenas
2. Pau Gasol
3. Tony Parker
4. Joe Johnson
5. Richard Jefferson
6. Jason Richardson
7. Mehmet Okur
8. Bobby Simmons
9. Vladimir Radmanovic
10. Earl Watson


How could you put Marion over Brand?

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How could you put Marion over Brand?

You don't...