Dallas Paper: Speedy to Spurs?

[Quadzilla99]

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/misc/chat/stories/062806dnspochat.1ee673f.html

What moves will the Spurs make this offseason?

Eddie Sefko: The Spurs are in the running (and might be the prime competition) for Speedy Claxton. And there is a slim chance the Spurs will mine Europe or South America again for support troops. They still are an attractive destination for players. They got rid of a bad contract by dumping Rasho Nesterovic on the Raptors. Now they can keep retooling. The Suns are entertaining offers for Shawn Marion, which seems to indicate they think Amare Stoudemire/Boris Diaw is their forward tandem of the next decade. If they could get Ray Allen out of Seattle for Marion, they would. But the bottom line is both the Spurs and Suns are going to get better. Same goes for Denver, the Clippers and Houston. The Mavericks have to, as well, although they have to be considered the favorite in the Western Conference by virtue of having won it this year.

[MoSpur]

Speedy in SA would be awesome. I have a strong feeling he'd comeback. He just didn't look happy when he was losing in Golden State and in New Orleans. If Stephen Jackson comes back, we're guaranteed another championship. < Joke

[furry_spurry]

The question remains- will the Spurs use their limited assets to spend that kind of money on an oft-injured back-up point guard?

[Quadzilla99]

He averaged 12.3 pppg last season as a sixth man. Plus he played in 71 games. I really hope we get him.

[MoSpur]

He is a step up from Beno even if he only plays 60 games.

[Mr. Body]

He could be dynamite off the bench. He's a handful to cover and we wouldn't lose any speed at the backup point.

[GrandeDavid]

Speedy would be nice in SA. Quick transition, knows the players and their style of play.

[furry_spurry]

He is a step up from Beno even if he only plays 60 games.
But is he a $4M per year step up?

Is this thread people are spending the MLE on Speedy and in the other on Pryz. :lol

[boutons_]

If he comes back to SA, he will have given up his dream of the summer of '03 to be a starter.

Like as 02/03 Spur, he still has problems with fragility, but he did play 71 games last season.

[Beer is Good]

We have to get rid of Beno - the guy is a nice player but a 100% defensive liability. He couldnt stay in front of Rasho if he had too...

[MoSpur]

But is he a $4M per year step up?

Is this thread people are spending the MLE on Speedy and in the other on Pryz. :lol

Not everyone is okay with spending the MLE on Joel.

[Nikos]

Man I really hope the Spurs can get Speedy. He would be an excellent third guard to have.

[picnroll]

Getting Speedy likely means no money to adress other neeeds. Everything else would have to come from trying to trade Barry and his contract.

[Quadzilla99]

Man I really hope the Spurs can get Speedy. He would be an excellent third guard to have.

Ditto. I am really, really excited too.

[SenorSpur]

Spurs could also use both TP and Speedy in the backcourt during some situations.

[Kori Ellis]

I don't think they'll have enough money to get Speedy, but we'll see.

It will be interesting to see if he's wanting the entire MLE (or close to that).

[furry_spurry]

Getting Speedy likely means no money to adress other neeeds. Everything else would have to come from trying to trade Barry and his contract.
My point exactly.

[Nikos]

I don't think they'll have enough money to get Speedy, but we'll see.

It will be interesting to see if he's wanting the entire MLE (or close to that).

Yeah I figure it will be unlikely, but I think he would be an excellent fit if he could stay healthy. I think he would accept the backup role as long as he gets 27mpg+. I think he would deserve it too, and should get more minutes than Finley. A rotation of Parker/Speedy/Manu/Finley/Bowen would be really nice.

[Nikos]

Getting Speedy likely means no money to adress other neeeds. Everything else would have to come from trying to trade Barry and his contract.

Well they have three needs right?

1)Decent big who can rebound and do SOMETHING on offense

2)A Long SF

3)A Backup PG

I doubt they can get all three. Speedy addresses #3 more strongly then anything else the Spurs would probably get at the other two areas. So it wouldn't be a huge risk provided Speedy holds up physically. But I guess we will see, maybe the Spurs can acquire a decent big or solid backup 3 all in one summer. But it is going to be tough just to fill 2/3 needs.

[Obstructed_View]

I'm not sure why everybody thinks Beno is such a poor choice as a backup PG. Considering the way the Spurs were unable to keep anyone in front of them during the playoffs, Beno fits right in.

P.S. Isn't Sefko the one who's been pulling rumors out of thin air?

[Quadzilla99]

Dallas went with two point guards against us and had the speed advantage. Now you tell me who's faster if we match up with TP & Speedy vs Harris & Terry?

[Obstructed_View]

Dallas went with two point guards against us and had the speed advantage. Now you tell me who's faster if we match up TP & Speedy vs Harris & Terry?
Jason Terry isn't that fast. The only reason his nickname is Jet is because it's his initials. Beno is faster than Terry.

[Jimcs50]

Where would the Spurs be today had they not signed NVE last offseason?

I think they would have developed Beno and they might have won the series against Dallas, had Beno had a whole year playing good minutes.

Signing aging PGs has not been beneficial historically. I have not given up on Beno.

[TDMVPDPOY]

trade scolas rights + barry to NOh sign n trade for speedy+smith

[Quadzilla99]

Jason Terry isn't that fast. The only reason his nickname is Jet is because it's his initials. Beno is faster than Terry.


Beginning of the series Manu had trouble staying in front of Harris. End of the series he made him go to his left more which he can't do well, but Harris is not quicker than Speedy. I agree Terry isn't very fast, he gets to the lane because he is a very good shooter and you have to get up on him which makes it easier for him to go by you.

[picnroll]

Well they have three needs right?

1)Decent big who can rebound and do SOMETHING on offense

2)A Long SF

3)A Backup PG

I doubt they can get all three. Speedy addresses #3 more strongly then anything else the Spurs would probably get at the other two areas. So it wouldn't be a huge risk provided Speedy holds up physically. But I guess we will see, maybe the Spurs can acquire a decent big or solid backup 3 all in one summer. But it is going to be tough just to fill 2/3 needs.


1) It's probably hardest to get the decent big so that's where I'd likley put the money.

2) I'd try to adress the long SF with Q Woods.

3) See if Barry could get anything for a backup PG. If nto go with Pargo or the like.

[Quadzilla99]

Q. Woods is not going to be a Spur. SA has never had any patience for people with even a whiff of attitude or behavior problems during the Pop/Duncan era.

[SenorSpur]

Speedy is a better on-the-ball defender than probably anyone the Spurs have in the backcourt at this time. Hell, the dude was only a key contributor to our 2003 championship team. I hope the Spurs can get this done. If not, they should simply continue developing Beno and foucs on getting another "wing" athlete.

[Nikos]

Where would the Spurs be today had they not signed NVE last offseason?

I think they would have developed Beno and they might have won the series against Dallas, had Beno had a whole year playing good minutes.

Signing aging PGs has not been beneficial historically. I have not given up on Beno.

It looks like Pop HAS given up on Beno though. Beno seems like a very good backup PG because he can shoot the ball and run things pretty well. But Pop seems to have lost his confidence in him since his TO fest in the 05 finals. Pop probably doesn't trust him really, considering he let even an ice cold/injured NVE steal all the minutes.

[picnroll]

Q. Woods is not going to be a Spur. SA has never had any patience for people with even a whiff of attitude or behavior problems during the Pop/Duncan era.
You do realize Pop has already tried to get Woods, and after the Portland problems.

[Obstructed_View]

Beginning of the series Manu had trouble staying in front of Harris. End of the series he made him go to his left more which he can't do well, but Harris is not quicker than Speedy. I agree Terry isn't very fast, he gets to the lane because he is a very good shooter and you have to get up on him which makes it easier for him to go by you.
1. Harris is quicker than Speedy.
2. Everybody in a Maverick jersey was blowing by the Spurs, particularly at the beginning of the series. As they got used to not having shot blockers to funnel to, and as they came to terms with the fact that they were going to have to scramble and chase and hack and be out of position, they adjusted about as well as one could expect.
3. If Pop completely overhauls the team philosophy in the middle of the playoffs again, Speedy Claxton isn't going to be enough for the Spurs to advance, but at least the rest of the team won't be caught completely off-guard by it.

[Obstructed_View]

It looks like Pop HAS given up on Beno though. Beno seems like a very good backup PG because he can shoot the ball and run things pretty well. But Pop seems to have lost his confidence in him since his TO fest in the 05 finals. Pop probably doesn't trust him really, considering he let even an ice cold/injured NVE steal all the minutes.
I agree with you, but why they kept him on the fucking roster all season is a complete goddamn mystery.

[Quadzilla99]

1. Harris is quicker than Speedy.
2. Everybody in a Maverick jersey was blowing by the Spurs, particularly at the beginning of the series. As they got used to not having shot blockers to funnel to, and as they came to terms with the fact that they were going to have to scramble and chase and hack and be out of position, they adjusted about as well as one could expect.
3. If Pop completely overhauls the team philosophy in the middle of the playoffs again, Speedy Claxton isn't going to be enough for the Spurs to advance, but at least the rest of the team won't be caught completely off-guard by it.


1. No, he's not. Not even close.
2. Yes, I agree it was eery to see the Spurs "D" up like the Suns. End of series was somewhat better though.
3. We lost by one point. 1 more point in regulation we win. Speedy is plenty of a difference considering we lost by the bounce of a ball. Everybody acts like we are so far behind.

[Nikos]

I think Speedy is quicker than Harris. But both are extremely fast.

[sa_butta]

I feel bad for Beno though, his rookie season he was given a huge task, as back up in the finals. Then he doesnt get much PT partly because of this. I dont think he has really had a chance other than being thrown out with the wolves.

[Quadzilla99]

Nikos is right too. What's the point of even having Beno around if you obviously have absolutely no confidence in him whatsoever?

[sa_butta]

Nikos is right too. What's the point of even having Beno around if you obviously have absolutely no confidence in him whatsoever?Thats true I just think his situation was unfair, I think he can be good in this league. Maybe another coach will do him some good. I really hope for Speedy though we surely missed him.

[Obstructed_View]

I feel bad for Beno though, his rookie season he was given a huge task, as back up in the finals. Then he doesnt get much PT partly because of this. I dont think he has really had a chance other than being thrown out with the wolves.
Why wouldn't you expect a backup rookie point guard to be able to bring up the ball with no help from his teammates in the NBA finals against the best defense with their defensive specialist in the game at the end of the quarter?

[Kori Ellis]

Why wouldn't you expect a backup rookie point guard to be able to bring up the ball with no help from his teammates in the NBA finals against the best defense with their defensive specialist in the game at the end of the quarter?

How about when he couldn't bring it up against Houston in the closing minutes of a meaningless game at the end of the regular season?

I actually think that's the game that secured Beno's place on the bench during the playoffs this year.

[Quadzilla99]

Thats true I just think his situation was unfair, I think he can be good in this league. Maybe another coach will do him some good. I really hope for Speedy though we surely missed him.

I've always thought he was a good back up point guard myself. I mean he is a backup, what are you expecting? Pop disagrees completely apparently. Beno is a little slow but so were/are Steve Kerr, John Paxson, and Jason Williams and teams won titles with them playing important minutes.

[Obstructed_View]

Thats true I just think his situation was unfair, I think he can be good in this league. Maybe another coach will do him some good. I really hope for Speedy though we surely missed him.
I keep waiting for Cleveland to trade for him. I thought they might have traded Gibson for him if Beno had gotten any chance to develop this year. As it stands, they have virtually the same NBA experience. The Cavs don't really need a PG that handles the ball every time up.

[Obstructed_View]

I've always thought he was a good back up point guard myself. I mean he is a backup, what are you expecting? Pop disagrees completely apparently. Beno is a little slow but so were/are Steve Kerr, John Paxson, and Jason Williams. Teams won titles with them playing some minutes.
Good point. Kerr was the backup PG for much of 2003.

[ducks]

spurs have to spend the full mle for backup point

geez

[scolikrose]

Since we are not going to get Scola, Speedy is a good option with mle.

[Texas_Ranger]

Speedy is back, I hope so Yupi!!

[Mr. Body]

spurs have to spend the full mle for backup point

geez

What did you expect? You have to pay for talent.

[TDMVPDPOY]

thumbs for speedy gonzales

[Obstructed_View]

How about when he couldn't bring it up against Houston in the closing minutes of a meaningless game at the end of the regular season?

I actually think that's the game that secured Beno's place on the bench during the playoffs this year.

That makes sense. Beno had two turnovers in 27 minutes, which is just unacceptable.

[CaptainLate]

Where would the Spurs be today had they not signed NVE last offseason?

I think they would have developed Beno and they might have won the series against Dallas, had Beno had a whole year playing good minutes.

Signing aging PGs has not been beneficial historically. I have not given up on Beno.

First sensible comment I've read about the PG situation since the Game 7 loss. And almost everyone wants to get rid of him now. Seems y'all forget (and Pop, too) that Beno was doing quite well late in the season when NVE was resting his elbow for weeks on end. Unfortunately, he got hurt and never was put back in the rotation. Thanks go to Pop for sticking with an aging NVE in the Mavs series. Too bad NVE didn't reinjure that elbow. We'd be holding up trophy #4.

[Jimcs50]

That makes sense. Beno had two turnovers in 27 minutes, which is just unacceptable.


Yes, that was the last straw. He deserves to die.

[Leetonidas]

So we might be looking at...

1. Singing Robertas with the LLE.
2. Singing Speedy with the MLE.
3. Trading Barry for Smith.
4. Somehow aquiring a long SF

[Kori Ellis]

That makes sense. Beno had two turnovers in 27 minutes, which is just unacceptable.

Did you watch the game? :lol

He almost lost the game single handedly in the closing seconds.

[T Park]

:lol

so turning the ball over twice in under a minute and a half, against pressure defenders from the Rockets, is a good thing?


You guys are such morons.

[ducks]

why can not barry play backup point
and this ship beno out
and get a cheap third point guard

[Kori Ellis]

By the way, I'm not saying that Beno shouldn't be the backup point guard. I don't think he's had a legitimate shot. I'm just saying that I think that he would have been given some minutes in the postseason if not for his bad showing in the closing minutes of the Houston game.

If Beno wants to be the backup point, he does need to get in better shape though.

[picnroll]

:lol

so turning the ball over twice in under a minute and a half, against pressure defenders from the Rockets, is a good thing?


You guys are such morons.
Unlike the mega morons who thought NVE was a player and not a POS.

[ducks]

spending the full mle on a backup point and not address a the long three need is stupid

[T Park]

Exactly Kori.

Beno had a great shot at the end of the year in two games.


Game 1 VS the Clippers. Parker was out with injuries and Beno was thrown into the starting spot.

He came out and was falt embarassing.


Game 2, vs Houston
Started and played big minutes, and up until the 4th quarter, played very well and was making his case for minutes in the playoffs, but he comes out in the 4th, shoots stupid shots, horrible turnovers, and literally damn near lost the game single handidly.



Thats why pop has zero confidence in him.


Oh that and showing up all season out of shape and having a pathetic preseason and not showing any give a crap during the year to take it over.

[T Park]

Unlike the mega morons who thought NVE was a player and not a POS.

Yup

Beno would've single handidly stopped Devin harris, because, according to you, hes a better defender than Parker.

[ducks]

beno needs a kick in the ass

[picnroll]

Stop him better than your boy NVE did that's for sure. At least he wouldn't give the and 1s with he FG and put the Spurs in the penalty stiatuion in the first two minutes of the quarter. Buy a clue. You're the only one defending that suckage.

[T Park]

Beno needs a Tai Bo instructor and a set of gonads and a brain.

[T Park]

Stop him better than your boy NVE did that's for sure

rewatch game 6 and see who was playing D on Devin Harris and shut him down.

Oh yeah, NVE.


Go head, rewatch...



At least he wouldn't give the and 1s with he FG and put the Spurs in the penalty stiatuion in the first two minutes of the quarter. Buy a clue. Your the only one defending that suckage.

Actually no im not.

[picnroll]

and what does your boy NVE need? Can't admit you were wrong eh. Keep deflecting to Beno.

[T Park]

NVE is retired.

He doesn't need anything.



Keep deflecting to Beno

Uh yeah,

because hes the reason he didn't play.


Give youd take your hand off Beno's junk for 5 minutes youd realize that.

[windboy226]

It's gonna be interesting to see which team gets Speedy..it's all over the radio the past few days that the Mavs covet Claxton as their backup point guard too. Which probably means that they're gonna get rid of Marquis sometime soon after drafting Ager and if they resign Terry.

[T Park]

For someone that doesn't want to go over the lux tax too much, Cuban sure is planning on blowing alot of money.

If Dallas gets Speedy that could be disasterous.

[picnroll]

I backed off supporting Beno whn he didn't come threw. But he was the third string PG and wasn't being counted on. Van Suck was the backup and supposed to contribute and he was crap. You feel like you invested your rep in him and take a couple of minutes out of the playoffs to make your case rather than admit he was a waste. I think if Pop had played him when he realized Van Suck wasn't getting the job done Spurs might have had a better chance. Instead he rode with Van SUck waiting for him to show up come playoff time. Big mistake.

[CubanMustGo]

Beno has never shown that he can handle pressure. He plays well until he starts getting doubled, then he gets the ol' "deer in the headlights" look and starts playing like shit. It happened this year, it happened last year, and even when the doubling was pretty token he would do dumb things.

And everyone SA plays in the playoffs knows he's a choker under pressure, thus Pop didn't dare play him.

[picnroll]

rewatch game 6 and see who was playing D on Devin Harris and shut him down.

Oh yeah, NVE.


Go head, rewatch...

r.
Game six with no Terry to spread the floor, Van Suck plays 14 minutes, Harris goes 3/14 the whole game. Yeah Van Suck was a real fucking cog. :lol

[Jimcs50]

NVE is retired.



1 year too late.

:depressed

[Spurs Dynasty 21]

would be great to get



then we finally don't have to worry about Mr. Choke Parker in the big games

[TDMVPDPOY]

you said it best when u said nothin at all

[T Park]

Game six with no Terry to spread the floor, Van Suck plays 14 minutes, Harris goes 3/14 the whole game. Yeah Van Suck was a real fucking cog

So he plays good D, and, after looking at numbers, you asses he COULDNT have.


Of course.....


1 year too late.


blame your twinkie boy Beno.

[T Park]

then we finally don't have to worry about Mr. Choke Parker in the big games

:rolleyes :rolleyes :rolleyes


More wonderfull tripe and bullshit stupidity.

[sa_butta]

By the way, I'm not saying that Beno shouldn't be the backup point guard. I don't think he's had a legitimate shot. I'm just saying that I think that he would have been given some minutes in the postseason if not for his bad showing in the closing minutes of the Houston game.

If Beno wants to be the backup point, he does need to get in better shape though.Exactly what I think.

[sa_butta]

would be great to get



then we finally don't have to worry about Mr. Choke Parker in the big games Claxton may have bailed out Parker back then, but lets be real here Claxton is no Parker.

[Mr. Body]

That's why he's a back up

[Quadzilla99]

Everybody keeps saying we need a 3. We do, but not that bad-in half of our games Manu plays the 3 every time BB guards the teams 2 guards, which he does all the time (Kobe, Rip, Ray Allen, D-Wade, Paul Pierce etc. etc.) Manu guards the other teams Sfs and he usually does a good job. (He didn't do that well against Dallas I'll admit). So technically we have 2 guys who can play the three. Manu does it at least 30 games a year. Manu could play the SF in the future if we cant find a 3 but could find a good 2.

[ducks]

manu can only play 30 minutes a game

[Quadzilla99]

manu can only play 30 minutes a game
How is that relevant to what position he plays?

[ChumpDumper]

Flavor of the day: Barry/Beno for Speedy/JR

[T Park]

That would be too good to be true chump....

[ducks]

How is that relevant to what position he plays?


you have to have a backup to play his postion
his backup should be better then some others because they have to play more minutes

[coachmac87]

ok let me set this strait with everyone in the chat room...before the spurs do anything...they are going to have to take care of their center position....thats what they really need..a starting center(altho i see duncan moving to the center) rasho is gone and nazr is a free agent....scola isnt a tall enough...and i wouldnt be comfortable of robertas starting...spurs still have oberto on their damn cap(biggest mistake bringin him over) so before we start dreamin about speedy or jr smith....need to adress the starting lineup with another big!!!!!

[Quadzilla99]

you have to have a backup to play his postion
his backup should be better then some others because they have to play more minutes

I'm not sure what you're getting at, but what I'm saying is if we can't find a 3 in the future Manu could play there like he has in the past and someone else could play the two. It's not that big of a deal Manu guards 3s like I said 30-40 games a year and does fine.

[ChumpDumper]

ok let me set this strait with everyone in the chat room...before the spurs do anything...they are going to have to take care of their center position....thats what they really need..a starting center(altho i see duncan moving to the center) rasho is gone and nazr is a free agent....scola isnt a tall enough...and i wouldnt be comfortable of robertas starting...spurs still have oberto on their damn cap(biggest mistake bringin him over) so before we start dreamin about speedy or jr smith....need to adress the starting lineup with another big!!!!!How difficult is it to dream about more than one player at a time?

Not much at all.

Relax, we'll try to get Ben Wallace first, then work down the list.

[coachmac87]

How difficult is it to dream about more than one player at a time?

Not much at all.

Relax, we'll try to get Ben Wallace first, then work down the list.


your fucking kidding....wow u must be dreaming if u really think the spurs are going to get ben wallace...no way possible...dont have enough cap room...hes going to be lookin around like 10mil a year...we can what offer him the mle if even that??? get the fuck outta here

[ChumpDumper]

I said we'll try.

Don't you understand English?

We'll talk to Ben, float a S&T to Joe which he'll turn down and that will be the end of it.

[coachmac87]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzE0HYjuSuY

this is robertas if u dont kno who this man really is.....better be a spur next year

[ChumpDumper]

Well, you can't type English....

[scolikrose]

My first choice would be Luis Scola with the MLE, dude just has all the intangibles and fire that Malik Rose had, but i guess POP is king.

[Kori Ellis]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzE0HYjuSuY

this is robertas if u dont kno who this man really is.....better be a spur next year

:lol

I think everyone here knows who he is. That video has been up here for quite a while.

[coachmac87]

:lol

I think everyone here knows who he is. That video has been up here for quite a while.


i want you to project the spurs starting lineup

[JGrice02]

"spurs still have oberto on their damn cap(biggest mistake bringin him over)"

For that to be true he would have to be costly and he is not. Oberto is a nice backup to the backup. He is failry smart and we got him on the cheap. Maybe it was a mistake bringing him over, but a big mistake? How can it be a big mistake when he doens't really cost us much?

Resigning Rose was a big mistake. Signing Rasho was a big mistake. But when you are only paying your reserve center $2.5 million I'm not sure you can call that a big mistake.

Heck, only two guys on the roster make less money than him. Beno and Bonner. If anything he will end up being a cheap mistake. But he still has a chance to turn thigns around. Remember, last season he was a rookie in a foreign country.

[T Park]

I see the coach is now making demands :lol

[Kori Ellis]

i want you to project the spurs starting lineup

Duncan
Some guy who isn't on the team yet
Bowen
Ginobili
Parker

[picnroll]

i want you to project the spurs starting lineup
Buford has alraedy said Javtokas isn't a starter. Did he tell you something different?

[Quadzilla99]

"spurs still have oberto on their damn cap(biggest mistake bringin him over)"

For that to be true he would have to be costly and he is not. Oberto is a nice backup to the backup. He is failry smart and we got him on the cheap. Maybe it was a mistake bringing him over, but a big mistake? How can it be a big mistake when he doens't really cost us much?

Resigning Rose was a big mistake. Signing Rasho was a big mistake. But when you are only paying your reserve center $2.5 million I'm not sure you can call that a big mistake.

Heck, only two guys on the roster make less money than him. Beno and Bonner. If anything he will end up being a cheap mistake. But he still has a chance to turn thigns around. Remember, last season he was a rookie in a foreign country.

Yes, but he did have his best friend on the roster that should have made it easier. He will another chance this year it looks like, but we could use that 2.5 mill right now.

[pache100]

then we finally don't have to worry about Mr. Choke Parker in the big games

:madrun :nope :flipoff

[T Park]

no use pache.

Hes one of the morons that doesn't apreciate the rare treat that it is to have an all star point guard who played well in the playoffs this year.

[mabber]

Jason Terry isn't that fast. The only reason his nickname is Jet is because it's his initials. Beno is faster than Terry.

Yeah, JET are his initials. He's really not all that fast. Claxton & Parker would be faster than JET & Harris but I don't see Claxton & Parker playing together that much. Harris & Jet will be the starting backcourt for the Mavs next season. Spurs would have to go really small (put Ginobli at the 3) if they're to use Parker & Claxton at the same time.

[JGrice02]

He will another chance this year it looks like, but we could use that 2.5 mill right now.

Actually, we can't use that 2.5 right now. It could have been better spent last season, like on someone like Evans, but at this time we are more than 2.5 over the cap so dumping his salary makes no difference. Hopefully he gets some meaningful minutes this year and becomes tradeable before the Spurs bring over Ian.

[Quadzilla99]

no use pache.

Hes one of the morons that doesn't apreciate the rare treat that it is to have an all star point guard who played well in the playoffs this year.

Yeah, and some people just like to make absurdly fucking stupid statements just to get a reaction out of people. Ignore him.

[mabber]

For someone that doesn't want to go over the lux tax too much, Cuban sure is planning on blowing alot of money.

If Dallas gets Speedy that could be disasterous.

I've heard & read that getting Speedy is exactly what the Mavs are going to try to do. They want him to back up Harris at PG so Terry can spend all of his time at the 2. I'm guessing that since Speedy has a history with the Spurs that they'll get him if both are offering similar deals.

[T Park]

hope your right Mabber.


I think Speedy coming back to the Spurs, would immediately allow them to get back to the Finals, just alone on letting Parker able to rest more than 5 minutes a game.

[ducks]

I think it had to do with a bad bounce and no long three

[Mr. Body]

Speedy is a game-changer. Our bench sorely lacked guys who could come in and dominate a few minutes at a time and throw things our way.

Barry and Finley, all they can do at this point is throw in a couple threes here and there - but those are got for them by other players.

Speedy is a guy who truly alters the course of games. We need a couple of those guys off the bench. (Scola would undoubtedly be one, too.)

[FreshPrince22]

I gotta think that the Pistons will be in the mix as well for Speedy.

[picnroll]

Only if they pass on Wallace.

[FreshPrince22]

Only if they pass on Wallace.

huh?

[MoSpur]

I will go out on a limb (sort of) and say Speedy plays with the Spurs next season.

[Mr. Body]

I hope you're right, MoSpur, I hope you're right.

[ducks]

so signing speedy with the full mle
and signing jav is considered a successfull offseason?
and getting rid of rasho,nazr and nve

[ducks]

is the backup point guard the weakest postion on the spurs now?

[Mr. Body]

ducks - you practically have to consider Udrih as good as dead/gone. once you're in Pop's doghouse you never come out.

so yes, it's the weakest position.

[Quadzilla99]

I would do faggotass cartwheels if we get Speedy. Especially if it's for like 4-5 years. That's another thing. How long do you think we should sign him for?

[ducks]

3 years at the most

[Mr. Body]

Who signs for 3 year contracts, though? Dallas would give him 4.

[ChumpDumper]

I guess five years would be ok since we could dump him that last year. It's just a matter of guessing when the wheels come off.

[Quadzilla99]

I say 4-5 he's 27 or 28 I think.

[Mr. Body]

I think they have to do 4 with a team option, at least.

[ducks]

cuban does not like to offer long contracts anymore
he did not with nash
ofcourse nash is older and 100 times the player speedy is so

[ducks]

speedy not wanting to start seems to me he would take less years
bench players do not get as long contracts

[Bruno]

so yes, it's the weakest position.

Remain me who is the big who will start with Duncan next year ?

backup PG is far from being the biggest need for Spurs.
Udrih + a vet for the min (like Vaughn, Pargo, Palacio ...) can be enough for next year if we don't find a better solution. A backup PG will only play 12-14 mpg.

[ChumpDumper]

Beno would never play again if we got Vaughn.

[Mr. Body]

no, we have no backup point guard at the moment - Udrih is gone - therefore, it is the weakest, no?

[Bruno]

no, we have no backup point guard at the moment - Udrih is gone - therefore, it is the weakest, no?

We have no starting big to play with Duncan.

Is a starting spot most important than a backup spot, yes.

[Mr. Body]

Whatever -- we're both right -- there are lots of holes.

[ducks]

barry can play backup point along with manu

thereefore it is not the weakest postion

[picnroll]

huh?
How much luxury tax you think the are willing to pay?

[Quadzilla99]

Ducks we get it, you don't like Speedy.

[Bruno]

Beno would never play again if we got Vaughn.

Maybe, it depends on Pop. Udrih is more talented than Vaughn but if Pop has given up on Beno, you're right.
If Pop has given up on Beno, he should trade him : Beno as 3rd string PG make no sense at all.

[ducks]

I do not like speedy because I think the backup point is not the weakest postion?

FUNNY

[ChumpDumper]

Maybe, it depends on Pop.That's why I said he would never play again.

[ducks]

the paper says sa is wanting a 3 guard
not a primary backup point

[Quadzilla99]

the paper says sa is wanting a 3 guard
not a primary backup point

A 3 guard I'm sorry but that is funny!! But we do need one because Pop hates Beno so much for whatever reason. Besides by now he's probably ruined his confidence.

[T Park]

a 3 is a forward.

and Yeah they prob want that more, than a back up point.

But they already have a long 3 for at least 1 year, in Eric WIlliams.

[ChumpDumper]

Williams will be used to even out the salaries when we trade Scola to Washington for Jeffries.

[T Park]

Pop hates Beno so much for whatever.

Uh because hes unreliable?

awww his poo confindence is hurrtt.

awwwww sniff sniff.

[T Park]

Williams will be used to even out the salaries when we trade Scola to Washington for Jeffries.

:lol

yeah right

Like that will happen......

[Mr. Body]

Williams will be used to even out the salaries when we trade Scola to Washington for Jeffries.

Well, at least Jeffries would be a small step above Chucky Brown in the list of small forwards we've had in the Duncan era.

[Quadzilla99]

Uh because hes unreliable?

awww his poo confindence is hurrtt.

awwwww sniff sniff.


It's hard to play your game if everytime you make a mistake you have to look over your shoulder. It's about being nervous on the court not getting your feelings hurt. I think Beno is a good back up point but that's just my opinion.

[ducks]

if you can not handle that you belong in the wnba

[T Park]

Jeffries would be a small step above Chucky Brown

uh

huge.


You forget how bad Brown was, and how much better Jeffries is than you think.

[ChumpDumper]

It's hard to play your game if everytime you make a mistake you have to look over your shoulder. It's about being nervous on the court not getting your feelings hurt.It's about being able to bring up the ball against Chuck Hayes.

[T Park]

It's hard to play your game if everytime you make a mistake you have to look over your shoulder


Save it.

Everything Beno does, is all on himself.

Period.


Quit deflecting blame for the little stiff.

[Mr. Body]

I know Jeffries is better than Brown; I was exaggerating. I just can get lathered up about Jared freakin Jeffries. He's as basic vanilla a player you can get - and I don't mean that in a good way.

[Quadzilla99]

if you can not handle that you belong in the wnba

I could name 500 players who became good when they went to teams or coaching staffs that had confidence in them and let them play through mistakes-Ben Wallace, Chauncey Billups, Jermaine O'Neal, Boris Diaw, etc. etc.

[exstatic]

I could name 500 players who became good when they went to teams or coaching staffs that had confidence in them and let them play through mistakes-Ben Wallace, Chauncey Billups, Jermaine O'Neal, Boris Diaw, etc. etc.
Bruce Bowen. He was a little known defensive oriented player (one second defensive team appearance) who could shoot some. Riley was such an ass. He said that he could train another Bowen, and let him go. Bruce went on to appear twice more on the second team, and put in three first team appearances. He also won a 3 point % crown, and is arguably the best perimeter defender of the last half decade.

[Quadzilla99]

Larry Hughes, Earl Boykins etc. etc.

[SPARKY]

Jeffries added to the rotation is not a bad idea. Jeffries with a guaranteed contract for 6 seasons might just be. I'm feeling a contract like $14 mil/4 yrs is appropriate for him, his skill level and what he has shown in the NBA.

[mattyc]

Bring him back. Speedy was the man.

[rayray2k8]

I think It will probably take the whole MLE to get him back in silver and black.
So chances are, hes not coming.
Hate to break it to you guys. :oops

[SPARKY]

As for Claxton, there is real value in adding a solid backup to the team long-term. I think Claxton and Parker can play together some as well. The Spurs could use some scoring off the bench and they could also use a full 48 minutes of capable point guard play. Last season teams were able to rest when TP went to the bench. This is overlooked with the focus on finding a rebounding big, but it's quite vital to the team's future success.

[Nbadan]

A healthy Claxton would put the Spurs closer to the top, but would Tony mope if Speedy took some of his minutes and shots, especially in the Playoffs? That's the magic question.

[ducks]

tp has matured alot since speedy was here last
tp also has improved his game
tp also has been asked to shot more
speedy and tp could play together some


I think tp was not thrilled with speedy being a spur at first but then was ok with it

[Mr. Body]

Speedy also was gone most the year he was with the Spurs, so it wasn't a huge problem.

I could see the Spurs playing them both together in stretches. Be interesting - though neither can shoot with long range - they could run some teams ragged. Tag them up with Manu at the 3.

[ducks]

tp is suppose work on the three ball this summer
not sure if it will be reliable though

[Nbadan]

tp has matured alot since speedy was here last
tp also has improved his game
tp also has been asked to shot more
speedy and tp could play together some

I think tp was not thrilled with speedy being a spur at first but then was ok with it

I just hope that Speedy can be comfortable playing that role. Neither Beno nor anyone of the vet scrubs the Spurs have signed since Speedy left challenged Tony like Speedy did. Tony is clearly the better PG, but will having a adaquate back-up shake Tony or further inspire him to improve his game?

[Mr. Body]

I just hope that Speedy can be comfortable playing that role. Neither Beno nor anyone of the vet scrubs the Spurs have signed since Speedy left challenged Tony like Speedy did. Tony is clearly the better PG, but will having a adaquate back-up shake Tony or further inspire him to improve his game?

There have been some unsubstantiated quotes floating with Speedy saying he regretting leaving S.A. and how he won't mind playing back-up at this point in his career. Who knows if those have any valence or are true.

[ChumpDumper]

Ah, the "Fragile Tony" myth resurfaces.

[Nbadan]

Blah, all the great PG's in the league average about 40 minutes. This thread could just as easily be about Billups or Nash.

[T Park]

but would Tony mope if Speedy took some of his minutes and shots, especially in the Playoffs?

I doubt it....

[Obstructed_View]

We need to remember that Speedy came into game 6 of the Finals because Parker had 3 points 2 assists and 3 turnovers when he got pulled in the third quarter. By the way, Speedy didn't provide any defensive spark; Jason Kidd abused him, but Speedy hit big shots. What made it so special is the fact that Speedy is a shooter on par with AJ. Why some of you think that's such a huge upgrade from what we already have I don't know. The only reason I'm for it is because I'm sick of seeing Pop refusing to play healthy players.

[FromWayDowntown]

but would Tony mope if Speedy took some of his minutes and shots, especially in the Playoffs? That's the magic question.

Because if there's anything we have seen consistently out of Tony in the last 5 years, it's that he has a tendency to pout and take things personally.

:rolleyes

[Solid D]

Ah, the "Fragile Tony" myth resurfaces.

What about the "Tired, Walking-in-Mud and Ineffective 2nd-Half Tony"? That's a known problem and needs a known cure.

[Taking it to the Hole]

I think spending our fulle MLE on Claxton isn't a smart thing to do when you have more pressing needs at center and SF. I think since we have Beno, maybe we need to give him his shot this year and play him consistently. If he blows it this year, ship him out, but in the meantime you address your other needs in a quality center and a young, athletic SF. Don't forget if Beno blows, we can always ship him off before the trade deadline midseason. I love Claxton as much as the next person, but I don't think it is worth spending all our dough on him and ignoring our other pressing needs.

[ducks]

Knicks GM Isiah Thomas said he's not interested in Mike James and Speedy Claxton, both point guards.

http://www.nypost.com/sports/knicks...marc_berman.htm

[rayray2k8]

Knicks GM Isiah Thomas said he's not interested in Mike James and Speedy Claxton, both point guards.

http://www.nypost.com/sports/knicks...marc_berman.htm
Im sure speedy would be looking foward to being the knicks 6th guard. :lol

[mavsfan1000]

If the spurs get Claxton you can almost declare them 06-07 champions. A backup point guard is very important to have. Especially when Parker disappears.

[ChumpDumper]

All that's left is for the Mavs to get someone for when Dirk disappears.

[Quadzilla99]

I'd give your left nut for Speedy Claxton.

[Quadzilla99]

All that's left is for the Mavs to get someone for when Dirk disappears.

ha ha...That's cold man he was giving us a little props and you had to go and play that card.

EDIT:oops I misread that. sorry getting tired. fuck you bitch Terry pulled a John Starksesque disappearing act in gm 6 of the finals.

[ChumpDumper]

He always slips a turd in the gift box.

[Quadzilla99]

I misread Mavsfan1000s first post but Terry was awesome in gm 6 of the Finals. Zo made a personal highlight reel stuffing his shots. What was it like 5 times he sent him back? One time he turned the corner I saw it coming and said to my brother "He aint going in on Zo is he!?!" He did. And got sent back with extreme prejudice.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

Speedy.

Please. =( Come back, y0.

[tophy7]

If the spurs get Claxton you can almost declare them 06-07 champions. A backup point guard is very important to have. Especially when Parker disappears.

Parker averaged 20.1 ppg while Terry averaged 19.6 ppg during the series

[Please_dont_ban_me]

Parker averaged 20.1 ppg while Terry averaged 19.6 ppg during the series

Horrible logic.

[Quadzilla99]

Speedy is/was considered the best backup point guard in basketball last season. I wouldn't be surprised if he went somewhere to start next year.