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DarkReign
06-30-2006, 08:40 AM
By LOLITA C. BALDOR, Associated Press Writer
2 hours, 2 minutes ago



WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court's rebuff of the Bush administration's Guantanamo military tribunals knocks the issue into the halls of Congress, where GOP leaders are already trying to figure out how to give the president the options he wants for dealing with suspected terror detainees.

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That way forward could be long and difficult. Congress will negotiate a highly technical legal road — one fraught with political implications in an election year — under the scrutiny of the international community that has condemned the continued use of the Guantanamo prison.

The ruling does little to clear up the immediate future of the 450 prisoners inside the razor wire at the Guantanamo Bay Naval Base, Cuba, since most have never been charged with crimes and may never go to trial.

Within hours of the high court's ruling that the military tribunals were illegal under U.S. and international law, President Bush said he would work with Congress to fix the problem. Still, Bush vowed that the result "won't cause killers to be put out on the street."

Congress' options include everything from legalizing the administration's proposed military tribunals to using the U.S. court system or enacting laws that, as Justice John Paul Stevens recommended, use military courts-martial as a template.

Stevens, writing for the court in the 5-3 ruling, said the Bush administration lacked the authority to take the "extraordinary measure" of scheduling special military trials for inmates, in which defendants have fewer legal protections than in civilian U.S. courts.

Nothing in the ruling suggests shutting down the facility or challenges Bush's authority to detain enemy combatants.

Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., said he would introduce legislation after the July 4 recess that would authorize military commissions and appropriate due process procedures. Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Arlen Specter, R-Pa., introduced a bill Thursday that did essentially that.

"To keep America safe in the war on terror, I believe we should try terrorists only before military commissions, not in our civilian courts," Frist said.

Sen. John McCain (news, bio, voting record) said Friday that, with the Supreme Court ruling guiding the way, "we can now get this system unstuck."

"I'm confident that we can come up with a framework that guarantees we comply with the court's order but at the same time none of the bad people are set free," McCain, R-Ariz., told NBC's "Today" show.

The court ruling focused on Salim Ahmed Hamdan, a one-time driver for Osama bin Laden who has spent four years at Guantanamo Bay. He faces a single count of conspiring to commit terrorism.

Lt. Cmdr. Charles Swift, Hamdan's Navy lawyer, said he told the Yemeni about the ruling by telephone. "I think he was awe-struck that the court would rule for him, and give a little man like him an equal chance. Where he's from, that is not true," Swift said.

Human rights groups endorsed proposals to use the courts-martial proceedings, saying it is a fairer proceeding. But military officials say changing the procedures to mimic courts-martial — which are largely similar to U.S. court proceedings — would bring problems.

Katherine Newell Bierman, counterterrorism counsel at Human Rights Watch, said courts-martial provide the basic fair trial guarantees that are lacking in the proposed military tribunals.

In the tribunals, she said, the accused have less access to the evidence against them, particularly if it is considered classified. Courts-martial, she said, have rules about how to deal with classified evidence, and they also have more stringent rules about prohibiting evidence that was acquired unlawfully, such as through duress or forced confessions.

Curt Goering, deputy executive director of Amnesty International, said any new rules should specify that evidence obtained under pressure should not be admissible.

"In light of the long years people have spent there, and the physical and mental abuses that have been perpetrated, and the legal limbo they've been subjected to for so long, they should really scrupulously respect international standards that have been developed for trials," he said.

Military officials, however, have said that using courts-martial could handcuff their ability to prosecute suspected terrorists because of the need to protect classified information.

The high court's ruling was viewed as a broad rebuke of the Bush administration's aggressive efforts to root out and jail enemy combatants in the war on terror.

But it may, as another alternative to the trials, accelerate efforts to transfer or release more of the detainees — many of whom have been there for more than three years.

Of the 450 detainees being held, 10 have been charged with crimes and four more have had charges prepared against them but were never formally charged or arraigned.

Another 99 detainees have been deemed eligible for transfer to their home countries and 16 have been found eligible for release. They could be shipped out of the facility as soon as the U.S. negotiates transfers or releases with their home countries.

A key impediment to the transfers, however, is the concern that the detainees might be tortured or killed once they reach their homeland.

The U.S. began using the Guantanamo Bay Naval Base in eastern Cuba in January 2002 to hold people suspected of links to al-Qaida or the Taliban.

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The vote was 5-3. Want to guess the 3 justices dissenting?

boutons_
06-30-2006, 11:08 PM
GOP Seeks Advantage In Ruling On Trials

National Security Is Likely Rallying Cry, Leaders Indicate

By Michael Abramowitz and Jonathan Weisman
Washington Post Staff Writers
Saturday, July 1, 2006; A01

Republicans yesterday looked to wrest a political victory from a legal defeat in the Supreme Court, serving notice to Democrats that they must back President Bush on how to try suspects at Guantanamo Bay or risk being branded as weak on terrorism.

( nothing but slimy, gotcha, cheap politicking from the Rove-ian Repugs over the war on terror, Iraq, Gitmo. The Repugs can't run on their record of incompetence, non-governance, and general shit, so they try to scare the shit out of the US, and slime the Dems as traitors and chickens )
In striking down the military commissions Bush sought for trials of suspected members of al-Qaeda and other terrorist groups, the high court Thursday invited Congress to establish new rules and put the issue prominently before the public four months before the midterm elections. As the White House and lawmakers weighed next steps, House GOP leaders signaled they are ready to use this week's turn of events as a political weapon.

House Majority Leader John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) criticized House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi's comment Thursday that the court decision "affirms the American ideal that all are entitled to the basic guarantees of our justice system." That statement, Boehner said, amounted to Pelosi's advocating "special privileges for terrorists."

( amazing. if they are terrorists, why aren't they charged and tried rather held without charge? Fuck you, boner )
Similar views ricocheted around conservative talk radio -- Rush Limbaugh called Pelosi's comments "deranged" on his show Thursday -- and Republican strategists said they believed that the decision presented Bush a chance to put Democrats on the spot while uniting a Republican coalition that lately has been splintered on immigration, spending and other issues.

"It would be good politics to have a debate about this if Democrats are going to argue for additional rights for terrorists," said Terry Nelson, a prominent GOP political strategist who was political director for Bush's reelection campaign in 2004.

( additional? they have been treated as having no rights, they have been treated as non-humans. additional? )

Mindful of this thinking, Democrats were measured in their comments about how to respond to the ruling, which held that Bush's policy was not authorized by law and violated the Geneva Conventions.

Brendan Daly, Pelosi's spokesman, said Democrats "want to work with" the administration in fashioning new rules for terrorism suspects, and he dismissed Boehner's comments as a sign of desperation. " is not a king -- he has to follow the law," Daly said. "That's all we're saying."

[b] Democrats seemed to gain some support from a few Senate Republicans, who said politics should not dictate how Congress responds to the Supreme Court. "This should not be a party fight," said Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.). "I'm a proud Republican senator, but my nation needs both parties working in collaboration with the executive branch to solve the military commission problem, and both parties will be rewarded by the public if we're seen as working for the common good."

The issue is not without complexity for Republicans. A Washington Post-ABC poll this week suggested that while Americans continue to favor holding suspects at the U.S. military installation at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, they are leery of an administration policy that has resulted in almost all of the 450 detainees being held without charges. Of those polled, 71 percent said the detainees should be either given POW status or charged with a crime.

( fucking Americans! who the fuck gives shit what they think? The govt is run for Repugs, by Repugs )
In many respects, the Guantanamo Bay facility has become an albatross for the Bush administration since its creation in the months after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks as a prison for terrorism suspects picked up in Afghanistan and elsewhere. Bush signed an executive order in November 2001 establishing military commissions to try the inmates, but the process has been in a legal limbo and no suspect has gone through a full trial.

Meanwhile, the United States has attracted intense international criticism for holding the detainees in limbo, and Bush has said repeatedly that he wants to close the prison.

( Gitmo is like Iraq. The Repugs didn't think through all the options, and exit/closure strategy, events turned sour, and now the Repugs are fucked )
Some lawmakers want Congress to endorse a plan to have the commissions operate by the rules of a regular court-martial, which would give the detainees more rights than they would have under the current commission structure. But administration lawyers have been concerned that it would be difficult to win convictions under that scenario, in large measure because the standard of proof would be higher.

White House spokeswoman Dana M. Perino said the administration is reviewing how to respond to the court.

A senior administration official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the issue is still being debated internally, seemed to hint at the potential political implications in Congress. "Members of both parties will have to decide whether terrorists who cherish the killing of innocents deserve the same protections as our men and women who wear the uniform," this official said.

(... if they have killed innocents, they where is the evidence, where are the charges,and when is the trial? Certanly Poco Alberto can invent something out of this air? )

The House Armed Services Committee and the Senate Judiciary Committee have called for hearings as soon as Congress returns from the week-long July 4 break.

Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Arlen Specter (R-Pa.) yesterday outlined his plan to conduct military tribunals in a manner consistent with the court's decision.

Under the Specter bill, a three-judge panel of military lawyers would preside. Defendants would be present in court with their lawyers, who would be granted the right to gather evidence, cross-examine witnesses and review classified information after it had been reviewed by a judge. Defendants would be granted the right to appeal verdicts to a court of military appeals and, ultimately, the Supreme Court.

"I would suggest that the rhetoric be cooled at least long enough for people to read the opinion," Specter said of the Supreme Court decision. "We're going to have to dot all the i's and cross all the t's on this legislation to make sure it passes muster."

Sen. Carl M. Levin (D-Mich.), a key figure on detainee policy, noted that the court pointedly ruled that military tribunals had to comport with the Geneva Conventions, so any effort to simply grant Bush the power he wants would not pass the scrutiny of the court. If Republicans ignore the court's prescription, military lawyers would be quick to speak out, granting Democrats political cover, he predicted.

"That kind of excess, I think, backfires," Levin said of the House Republican broadsides. "The American public has too much common sense to put much stock in that kind of diatribe. Americans respect the Supreme Court."

But some GOP allies said they suspect that the decision will help energize a Republican base that has been angry at some Bush policies. Tom Liddy, a conservative talk show host in Phoenix, said that the decision has been a big topic on his show and that it could be another terrorism issue that works to the GOP's advantage.

( ... exactly. The Repugs are fighting the Dems, exploiting the terrorists, rather than fighting the terrorists, rather than running the country. )

Liddy noted that House Republicans pushed through a resolution Thursday, over Democratic objections, criticizing the news media for publishing classified information about a secret anti-terrorism program that monitors bank transactions.

"It will be worse for the Democrats to be seen as favoring the terrorists than favoring the New York Times," Liddy said.

( Liddy rousing the rabble. Democrats, and most Americans, don't "favor" the terrorists (who still aren't proven to be terrorists). People want the prisoners limbo to be resolved. The problem is the Repugs don't have clue what the fuck to do with the prisoners. )

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The Repugs descend lower and lower into abject levels of silliness and cheap politics.

Ya Vez
07-01-2006, 12:44 AM
I could care less about those prisoners club gitmo is nothing compared to the dungeons the egyptians, pakastani's have waiting for them.... so send them back to their host countries I am sure they treat their prisoners a billion times better....

boutons_
07-01-2006, 07:19 AM
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boutons_
07-01-2006, 07:24 AM
"I could care less about those prisoners"

Of course, treating human beings like dogs in cages for years and years is The Repug American Way.

Charge them and try them, or let them go.

Obviously, the Repugs don't know what the fuck to do with them. The incredible incompetence continues. One interpretation is that the poor fuckers in Gitmo are just window-dressing in the Repugs' advertizing, (ie, lying) campaign, stage props in Rove's political theatre, that the Repugs are tough on NatSec.

Any means, any number of abuses and deaths, any number of laws ignored and broken including US mlitary deaths, to justify Repug partisan politics.

exstatic
07-01-2006, 07:31 AM
Another 99 detainees have been deemed eligible for transfer to their home countries and 16 have been found eligible for release. They could be shipped out of the facility as soon as the U.S. negotiates transfers or releases with their home countries.

A key impediment to the transfers, however, is the concern that the detainees might be tortured or killed once they reach their homeland.

Since when do the GOP blanch at a little torture? Since they actively export to Eastern Europe specifically for that purpose, this seems a bit weak as an excuse to continue to hold those they don't deem to be a threat.

Ya Vez
07-01-2006, 07:48 AM
yes the cages in gitmo are nothing compared to what they will get in a middle eastern prison.. you think they will do better off in a prison in the middle east...

so send them home... let islamic justice weed deal with them...

Clandestino
07-01-2006, 12:50 PM
many at gitmo were plucked fromthe battlefield... what have we learned from this? don't take pows... just kill them there... that way we don't have to feed them, give them clean clothes, clean shelter and the ability to wipe their asses w/o their hands.

xrayzebra
07-01-2006, 02:22 PM
Gee, your boys in the media and dimm-o-crapic party are doing everything they
can to get the Al Queda bill of rights passed. Even your boys on the SC cite
international law to prove your point.

I don't see why you all don't get together and send them care packages. Be sure
to include you real address so they can thank you later in person.

exstatic
07-01-2006, 03:36 PM
Even your boys on the SC cite
international law to prove your point.
OUR boys? Only two of nine on the current court were Dem appointed. Seems like YOUR boys.

ChumpDumper
07-01-2006, 03:37 PM
They're their boys when they rule in their favor. Otherwise they are out-of-control activist liberals.

exstatic
07-01-2006, 04:01 PM
They're their boys when they rule in their favor. Otherwise they are out-of-control activist liberals.
...appointed by Republicans.

FromWayDowntown
07-01-2006, 04:12 PM
They're their boys when they rule in their favor. Otherwise they are out-of-control activist liberals.

Indeed. Curiously, I didn't notice xray being all up-in-arms over the same Court's decision in the redistricting case.


Gee, your boys in the media and dimm-o-crapic party are doing everything they can to get the Al Queda bill of rights passed. Even your boys on the SC cite international law to prove your point.

It's also funny to lament the citation to international law in the Gitmo cases, since one of the legal issues involved is the extent to which the President must adhere to the treaty-like obligations that the United States has entered into -- specifically portions of the Geneva Convention. The case couldn't have been decided without at least some reference to that body of rules. It would be asinine to assail the Court for "relying on international law" or "citing international law" in this case.

boutons_
07-08-2006, 07:40 AM
July 8, 2006

Justices Tacitly Backed Use of Guantánamo, Bush Says

By SHERYL GAY STOLBERG

WASHINGTON, July 7 — In his most detailed comments to date on the Supreme Court's rejection of his decision to put detainees on trial before military commissions, President Bush said Friday that the court had tacitly approved his use of the detention center at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba.

"It didn't say we couldn't have done — couldn't have made that decision, see?" Mr. Bush said at a news conference in Chicago. "They were silent on whether or not Guantánamo — whether or not we should have used Guantánamo. In other words, they accepted the use of Guantánamo, the decision I made."

Mr. Bush's remarks put a favorable spin on a ruling that has been widely interpreted as a rebuke of the administration's policies in the war on terror. The court, ruled broadly last week in Hamdan v. Rumsfeld that military commissions were unauthorized by statute and violated international law.

The question of whether Mr. Bush had properly used Guantánamo Bay to house detainees was not at issue in the case. At issue was whether the president could unilaterally establish military commissions with rights different from those allowed at a court-martial to try detainees for war crimes.

( dubya is either as stupid, intellectually dwarfed as most people know he is and/or is profoundly dishonest. )

Mr. Bush has said since the ruling that he will work with Congress to figure out how to use military commissions to try detainees, a promise he repeated on Friday in Chicago.

"I am willing to abide by the ruling of the Supreme Court," the president said.

( translation: I will continue to use signing orders to refuse to be bound by the laws passed by Legislature, nor will my Executive branch enforce those law in spite of my solemn Constitutional oath to do so (unless a law and its enforcement is to Repug political advantage), I will continue to do whatever the fuck I want to do and Poco Alberto will justify it. Alberto and dickhead are working with energy industry about terminating one or more SC justices whom I haven't appointed. )

The Chicago news conference, which featured local reporters asking the president questions alongside the regular members of the White House press corps, was designed by the White House to give the president more exposure in the country at a time when his poll numbers are declining and Americans are uneasy with his leadership on the economy and the war in Iraq.

But members of the Chicago press did not serve up softball questions. The issue of Mr. Bush's polls came up when a reporter asked about a fund-raiser the president planned to attend for Judy Baar Topinka, the Republican candidate for Illinois governor.

"An aide to Judy Topinka was quoted as saying that given your low approval ratings in the polls, they prefer you to come here in the middle of the night," the reporter said.

"Didn't work," Mr. Bush replied. "I'm coming to lunch."

The president also gave an endorsement of sorts to Patrick J. Fitzgerald, the special prosecutor who handled a leak investigation involving Karl Rove, Mr. Bush's chief political adviser.

Mr. Bush said Mr. Fitzgerald, who is also the United States attorney in Chicago, had done a "very professional job" in handling the leak investigation, which resulted in the indictment of I. Lewis Libby Jr., the former chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney. Mr. Rove was not indicted.