Warriors get Devin Brown

[loveforthegame]

http://www.sltrib.com/ci_4014237

NEW TODAY: Jazz likely to get Fisher, deal Brown, McLeod and Owens

By Steve Luhm
The Salt Lake Tribune

The Jazz and Golden State plan to pull the trigger on a four-player trade that would bring veteran point guard Derek Fisher to Utah.

The Salt Lake Tribune has learned - barring an unexpected hitch - the Jazz will send Devin Brown, Keith McLeod and Andre Owens to the Warriors in exchange for Fisher, a 10-year veteran.

The deal will be completed after Owens signs a free-agent contract with the Jazz next week - a step that is necessary to make the trade adhere to NBA salary requirements.

Free agents are not allowed to sign new contracts before July 12.

Fisher, the 24th pick in the 1996 draft, spent his first eight years in the league in Los Angeles with the Lakers, where he played on three championship teams.

Signed as a free agent by Golden State in 2004, Fisher played the last two seasons with the Warriors.

Last year, he averaged 13.3 points and 4.3 assists while shooting 37.3 percent from the three-point line for a team that failed to reach the playoffs for the 12th straight year.

Fisher is probably best known for his game-winning shot in Game 5 of the 2004 Western Conference finals.

After San Antonio had taken a 73-72 lead in Tim Duncan's 18-foot jumper with 0.4 seconds remaining, the Lakers' Gary Payton inbounded the ball to Fisher.

In one motion, he caught the ball, turned and fired a 20-foot fallaway jump shot. It went in and, after TV replays confirmed he released the ball in time, the Lakers took a 3-2 lead in their series with the Spurs en route to the NBA Finals.

[Quadzilla99]

Even though he was part of the fucking Lakers, Fisher is a very solid player imo. Though grossly overpaid.

[bdictjames]

Fisher and Kirilenko? That would turn out nice because it would give Jazz a perimeter game like Phoenix(Okur, AK47, Fisher, Giricek can take the outside shot)

[Mr. Body]

Nice move by Golden State, disburdening themselves of that ugly contract.

Utah - are they not happy with Deron Williams, then?

[ChumpDumper]

I have no idea why they picked Williams when Paul and Felton were obvious better fits for the Jazz.

Good deal for both teams, depending on how long Fish can contribute.

[FromWayDowntown]

Utah - are they not happy with Deron Williams, then?

Maybe they want a veteran type to mentor him. I could see that and Fisher, while not a prototypical point guard, certainly has some valuable experience that he might be able to impart upon the kid. On top of that, Fish can still play and is a nice player to have coming off the bench. He's a Sloan-type, I'd think.

[SPARKY]

Claxton got 4 yrs/$25 mil. Fisher has 4 yrs/$26 mil left on his deal.

[Mr. Body]

Looking at Fisher's contract, it's not utterly horrible. Given his age, Fisher isn't worth it, but he still produced last year (after the inevitable loss of Baron Davis to injuries).

DFish can also play off-guard in stretches when Deron Williams is at PG.

I guess this isn't terrible for Utah, esp. given their awful drafting history.

[Bruno]

Golden State will likely waive Devin Brown : they are just above the luxury tax and only $500K are guaranteed on Brown's $2.5M contract.

[SPARKY]

A small market team's gotta do what it can...

[SPARKY]

Golden State will likely waive Devin Brown : they are just above the luxury tax and only $500K are guaranteed on Brown's $2.5M contract.


Welcome back, DB.

[Quadzilla99]

Fisher is pretty built now, he is 6'2 and with his strength and range he could play some with Williams on the floor. He is also a very good defensive player in my opinion but he needs to seriously tone it down on the flopping. He's not as bad as he was with the Lakers but he still goes flying all over the place some games and it's a little ridiculous sometimes.

[ducks]

if gs waives brown
I do think spurs will pick him up
they almost have no choice

[Buddy Holly]

he is 6'2

My ass.

[ChumpDumper]

I think it's Denver that has no choice but to pick him up.

[Buddy Holly]

if gs waives brown
I do think spurs will pick him up
they almost have no choice

What?

Why would they have no choice to? :lol

[Quadzilla99]

He's listed at 6'1, sorry. Teams play 2 pgs a lot as we all know he could play some with Williams on the floor.

[timvp]

Devin Brown had success versus Dirk in the past. I wouldn't want him to be the lone answer to guarding that big German but outside of Bowen, he'd be the best answer on the team. Plus he's shown the ability to rebound the ball.

If you remember the 2004-05 regular season, Pop went to small ball with Devin at power forward a lot. With small ball in full effect and Barry probably on his way out, Devin is no brainer.

Hopefully the Spurs get that done.

[Kori Ellis]

I'm not sure that Golden St will just waive him. They supposedly have more deals in the works.

[timvp]

As far as this trade goes, I wouldn't want to be Utah and have to pay $8M for a 36-year-old Fisher in a couple years. It was a good move by Mullin to get rid of that contract and make room for more playing time for Monta Ellis.

[Buddy Holly]

He's listed at 6'1, sorry.

He's not even that tall.

[MoSpur]

I am crossing my fingers about Devin being waived by the Warriors. I don't seem him escaping the Spurs this time. The Spurs will be smarter this time around.

[ChumpDumper]

How much of the MLE do you want to use on a fourth swingman? We could hope that he'd take the minimum, but don't you think Denver or Orlando might bid higher than that?

[Que Gee]

I'm not sure that Golden St will just waive him. They supposedly have more deals in the works.

I heard it was going to be Nazr / Barry for Fisher / Pietrus....

Guess thats not going to happen anymore.

[Quadzilla99]

Fisher signed for 6yrs/$37 million originally that's steep for a backup. Speedy is starting, he's a good player though. Now if we could just do something about the flopping...

[Mr. Body]

I heard it was going to be Nazr / Barry for Fisher / Pietrus....

Guess thats not going to happen anymore.

No. But I'll take Barry for Pietrus.

Thanks!

[Bruno]

If Warriors don't do another move, waiving Devin is a no brainer for them : they will save $6M by doing that.

[MoSpur]

I would think Brown will hear other offers, but guys like him won't get that much offered. I would say the Spurs could get away signing him cheaply. Not too much more than what he was getting paid in Utah.

[Mr. Body]

If Warriors don't do another move, waiving Devin is a no brainer for them : they will save $6M by doing that.

That alone is worth trading for.

[timvp]

How much of the MLE do you want to use on a fourth swingman? We could hope that he'd take the minimum, but don't you think Denver or Orlando might bid higher than that?

Give him the minimum or something around $1.5M to $2M. Spurs would get a hometown discount.

Don't make the same mistake twice.

[ChumpDumper]

I would think Brown will hear other offers, but guys like him won't get that much offered. I would say the Spurs could get away signing him cheaply. Not too much more than what he was getting paid in Utah.So, you'd want to spend half the MLE on a fourth swingman.

[Mr. Body]

Don't make the same mistake twice.

What mistake was there? They went with Finley. Right choice.

[Kori Ellis]

If Warriors don't do another move, waiving Devin is a no brainer for them : they will save $6M by doing that.

There's all kinds of rumors involving them though. I don't think they are done trading. We'll see.

On the subject of how much for Devin ... he was only guaranteed 500K this season anyway. So giving him a million should do. :)

[ChumpDumper]

Manu wouldn't have fouled Dirk if we had Devin.

Don't you know anything?

[timvp]

So, you'd want to spend half the MLE on a fourth swingman.

Two things you don't understand. Barry is out the door any second, so it'd actually be a third swingman. Plus Brown struggled for the most part last year, so his price tag could very well be the minimum. There's not a huge market around the league for a shooting guard who shot 39% from the field.

But as Spurs fans know, Brown has a history of guarding Dirk and hitting big shots in the playoffs. You don't pass those two things up.

[MoSpur]

So, you'd want to spend half the MLE on a fourth swingman.

Yes. Only if you have a trade in the works that involves Barry and Beno leaving. No if you don't. Its hard to say. I just would love to see him back in SA. Not because he is from here. He just works hard and I like that.

[ChumpDumper]

There's all kinds of rumors involving them though. I don't think they are done trading. We'll see.

On the subject of how much for Devin ... he was only guaranteed 500K this season anyway. So giving him a million should do. :)Well, that's pretty much the minimum.

I have no objection.

[ducks]

if spurs land devin brown
barry would be gone also they trade beno

[timvp]

What mistake was there? They went with Finley. Right choice.

Being the first team in NBA history to not match an offersheet on a restricted free agent when they were only offered a one-year contract. As it turned out, the Spurs could have used him in the playoffs. Barry vanished and no one on the team outside of Bowen could guard Dirk.

Brown, on the other hand, has guarded him well in the past.

[MoSpur]

I think the Warriors would might want to trade Brown because his contract isn't that bad and is attractive to a lot of teams who are need of a backup swingman. Who knows?

[ChumpDumper]

Two things you don't understand. Barry is out the door any second, so it'd actually be a third swingman.Way ahead of you, LJ -- otherwise I would've said FIFTH. I was helping you out.
Plus Brown struggled for the most part last year, so his price tag could very well be the minimum. There's not a huge market around the league for a shooting guard who shot 39% from the field.Then why did you say $2 million? Make up your mind. I already said I have no problem with the minimum.

[timvp]

I wonder if ChumpDumper finally saw the error of letting Devin Brown go.

[timvp]

I was helping you out.Then why did you say $2 million? Make up your mind.

Worst case scenario is you have to spend $2M for him. In that scenario, I still sign him unless you could get an Ariza or Jeffries. And that won't happen because teams don't lose restricted free agents for small contracts.

Other than the Spurs, that is.

[MoSpur]

I don't know if Devin Brown would have guaranteed a championship, but I was in favor to keeping him and letting Barry go. However, I am not mistaken, they wanted to get Finley and Brown was left out.

[Mr. Body]

Being the first team in NBA history to not match an offersheet on a restricted free agent when they were only offered a one-year contract. As it turned out, the Spurs could have used him in the playoffs. Barry vanished and no one on the team outside of Bowen could guard Dirk.

Brown, on the other hand, has guarded him well in the past.

The Spurs knew Brown would get no playing time behind the guards they had, so let him look elsewhere.

I seriously doubt Devin Brown would have made a big difference against Dirk and the Maveteers. Suddenly the officials call a different game for him than they were for Bowen? Please.

You remember Brown as some kind of demigod. I remember the guy who needlessly coughed up the ball for Tracy McGrady's final three in that miracle blitz year before last.

Wants to come on? Sure. Gets time over Finley? No way.

[ObiwanGinobili]

there was really no reason at all for the .4 incident to be described in detail in the original article.

no reason at all.

[Marcus Bryant]

DB beat out Barry in the rotation when he was here.

[MoSpur]

I think the Spurs can sign him for the minimum. That is what I think. Probably won't happen though. He might get more money elsewhere. Not too much more, but more. If the Spurs do get him for the minimum, they can focus on a long three with their mid.

[ChumpDumper]

It wasn't an error. No team ever signed a free agent swingman expressly to be on the IR for $5 million in one season. I asked anyone to show me a similar deal and got no answer.

[ObiwanGinobili]

and :
I want Devin Brown back. Call presti, get it done.

[MoSpur]

DB beat out Barry in the rotation when he was here.

I haven't heard from this dude in forever.

[Marcus Bryant]

I haven't heard from this dude in forever.

sup?

[timvp]

The Spurs knew Brown would get no playing time behind the guards they had, so let him look elsewhere.

They were wrong. Brown would have played in the Dallas series after the Spurs went to small ball. I tried to say that last summer but no one would listen.

Put Devin on Dirk and you have a good defender AND a guy who could grab a rebound. I might like Devin on Dirk better than Bruce just because Bruce couldn't box on Dirk to save his life.


I seriously doubt Devin Brown would have made a big difference against Dirk and the Maveteers. Suddenly the officials call a different game for him than they were for Bowen? Please.

It's called rebounding. Devin can do that and none of the Spurs' perimeter players are good rebounders. Plus Devin has a history of shutting down Dirk.


You remember Brown as some kind of demigod. I remember the guy who needlessly coughed up the ball for Tracy McGrady's final three in that miracle blitz year before last.

:lol

Yeah no players ever make mistakes.


Wants to come on? Sure. Gets time over Finley? No way.

Barry never got any time, did he? And Bowen and Finley aren't exactly getting any younger.

[timvp]

It wasn't an error. No team ever signed a free agent swingman expressly to be on the IR for $5 million in one season. I asked anyone to show me a similar deal and got no answer.

It was the cheapest thing I've ever heard. You don't pony up a couple million in the middle of trying to win the championship to match on a one year contract on a guy who has a history of performing well in the playoffs? You have to be kidding me.

Oh and to answer your question, Cuban just gave Mbenga $5M+ to sit on IR.

Next.

[Mr. Body]

I didn't realize Devin Brown was the Dirk Stopper. At $1M a year he must be a bargain. Other teams are insane not jumping all over this guy. And refs love him too. None of the rules changes and enforcements would have happened had he been on the floor.

[Quadzilla99]

Brown's back injury caused his play to steadily deteriorate over the course of the '04-05 season it's not that mystifying that they didn't resign him.

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao

You had to have Cuban to bail you out of a question I asked you A YEAR AGO.

:lmao

If DJ's production drops of across the board when he's given more minutes like Brown, consider yourself fully vindicated. It'll only take you another year to get back to me on that one too.

:lmao

[MoSpur]

Marcus makes things very interesting in this forum. Good to hear you back.

[timvp]

I didn't realize Devin Brown was the Dirk Stopper. At $1M a year he must be a bargain. Other teams are insane not jumping all over this guy.

:rolleyes

Devin can guard Dirk. There's no stopping him with the rules as they are. But Devin could guard him better than anyone on the team outside of Bruce ... and even that is up for debate because Bruce can't rebound.

[ChumpDumper]

And DJ isn't going to be on the IR, so that doesn't even count.

[timvp]

:lmao

You had to have Cuban to bail you out of a question I asked you A YEAR AGO.

:lmao

If DJ's production drops of across the board when he's given more minutes like Brown, consider yourself fully vindicated. It'll only take you another year to get back to me on that one too.

:lmao

:lmao

You sure get testy when I answer your question and your point in nullified.

[Supergirl]

I was just thinking this morning that we should try and bring Devin back. He was a decent perimeter defender, maybe the best candidate for replacing Bowen we've seen, and his athleticism, length, and hustle would really help against teams like Dallas.

[timvp]

And DJ isn't going to be on the IR, so that doesn't even count.

A healthy Devin beats out Barry and gets him traded. If not, Oberto or Beno would have been IR'ed.

Try again.

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao is testy? You're woozy. Go lie down.

[timvp]

:lmao is testy? You're woozy. Go lie down.

:lol

Don't get mad because you were dead wrong about Devin and Cuban did what you never thought possible.

Can you link me to another time in history when an NBA team lost a restricted free-agent on a one-year offersheet?

Thank you.

[Quadzilla99]

Brown's back was so fucked up you had to seriously doubt his future how can you be so shocked he wasn't brought back?

[timvp]

Brown's back was so fucked up you had to seriously doubt his future how can you be so shocked he wasn't brought back?

PR.

Devin missed all of one game last year.

:jack

[ChumpDumper]

I'm not dead wrong about anything.

The fact that Cuban did that with a center who won't ride the IR a year after I ask you the question only proves my point. You're welcome to be a Mavfan at any time.

[whottt]

DB beat out Barry in the rotation when he was here.



And Barry beat Beno...

Did Devin also beat Finley out of the rotation?

Keep in mind...they cost the Spurs about the same amount...

Devin would not have beaten Finley out...and Finley is the reason the Spurs let Devin go.

[Quadzilla99]

You're talking about the Spurs letting him go in '04-05 right? His play steadily deteriorated you could see him grimacing when he tried to play and he lost muscle because he couldn't work out. He sat out almost the whole playoffs.

[timvp]

I'm not dead wrong about anything.

The fact that Cuban did that with a center who won't ride the IR a year after I ask you the question only proves my point. You're welcome to be a Mavfan at any time.

:lol @ the Whotttt like smack. I think you just stole his line.

Anyways, any hope in answering my question?

[Bruno]

There's all kinds of rumors involving them though. I don't think they are done trading. We'll see.


True but they need to save at least $4M in salary this year if they want that Devin cost them $2M. Otherwise, Devin will cost them between $4M and $6.5M. But they can trade Devin too.

[ChumpDumper]

Any hope in answering my question a year ago?

[Kori Ellis]

Devin's scary back, his lateness at practices, and the possibility of Finley all were factors in him not being re-signed here.

Thinking it's only one of those reasons is crazy.

[timvp]

Any hope in answering my question a year ago?

I'll take that as a no.

[Quadzilla99]

He was late to practice? I don't see the big shock in letting go of a guy with a serious back problem. A back problem that caused his play to steadily deteriorate, caused him to lose muscle, and kept him almost entirely out of the playoffs.

[furry_spurry]

I heard it was going to be Nazr / Barry for Fisher / Pietrus....

Guess thats not going to happen anymore.
We discussed that very trade last week. :)

The Spurs tried to work out a S & T with Nazr but the MLE was all any team was going to pay- so no need for Nazr to work out something with the Spurs to get him more money.

[ChumpDumper]

I'll take that as a no.Take it as I'll get back to you in a year and see if Cuban can save me. Worked for you.

[Kori Ellis]

He was late to practice?

Yes, repeatedly.

[furry_spurry]

Spurs never even considered bringing Devin back. The stuff about his back changing his whole game is PR.

[Quadzilla99]

I have to say Tim I really don't understand your shock at that move.

[timvp]

The Spurs became the first team in NBA history to lose a restricted free agent because they didn't match an offersheet for one season. Looking back on it that was probably not the greatest basketball decision because our swingmen were destroyed on the boards.

All true.

Thanks for answering the question.

[ChumpDumper]

I love Mark Cuban.

Thank you for showing your true colors.

[Kori Ellis]

With all this being said, I still don't think Devin is the answer to much of anything.

He can get some minutes in on Dirk here and there, but he's far too short to do much of anything major.

[Buddy Holly]

What's with LJ man crush on Devin Brown?

Fuck, Jerry Sloan couldn't do dick with Devin, they just got rid of his expensive $500,000 contract.

Wait, was it the contract they got rid of or was it the player.

[timvp]

What's with LJ man crush on Devin Brown?

Fuck, Jerry Sloan couldn't do dick with Devin, they just got rid of his expensive $500,000 contract.

Wait, was it the contract they got rid of or was it the player.

My only crush is on winning championships.

Give me players that help get that done. Devin would have helped.

[Mr. Body]

The issue about SA not matching a 1-year RFA offer sheet is less about the Spurs not matching than Utah only offering him this 1-year deal... and no one else offering him anything at all.

And then Utah getting rid of him after one year.

Too bad the Spurs didn't sign him, because surely they would have won the championship last year. They would have been so good, in fact, they would have won it TWICE.

[timvp]

I got owned but uh, uh, uh your a Mavs fan timvp!!

Heard it before.

:sleep

[Buddy Holly]

My only crush is on winning championships.

Give me players that help get that done. Devin would have helped.

What would have helped is Pop not going small. Horry showing up. Manu not fouling.

Hell, the latter would have suffice.

And we'd be talking 4th title.

[Quadzilla99]

What's with LJ man crush on Devin Brown?

Fuck, Jerry Sloan couldn't do dick with Devin, they just got rid of his expensive $500,000 contract.

Wait, was it the contract they got rid of or was it the player.


Yeah he's got a pretty big man crush on Devin, it's approaching John Madden-Brett Favre territory. :makeout

[Buddy Holly]

I think we have a lovers triangle.

LJ, Reggie Evans, and Devin Brown.

[timvp]

What would have helped is Pop not going small. Horry showing up. Manu not fouling.

Hell, the latter would have suffice.

And we'd be talking 4th title.

Going small with Devin at power forward is something that worked in the past.

[timvp]

I think we have a lovers triangle.

LJ, Reggie Evans, and Devin Brown.

Thanks for adding to the conversation. After all these years I can't believe you are still 16.

Impressive.

[Buddy Holly]

Going small with Devin at power forward is something that worked in the past.

So was playing Nazr or Rasho.

We fucking won 63 games playing a 7 foot center along side Tim.

[Buddy Holly]

Thanks for adding to the conversation. After all these years I can't believe you are still 16.

Impressive.

You can't take a simple rib? But you sure love giving them out any chance you get.

Come on, don't act like a peach and bruise easily.

[timvp]

So was playing Nazr or Rasho.

We fucking won 63 games playing a 7 foot center along side Tim.

Remind me again how much the regular season means.

[timvp]

You can't take a simple rib? But you sure love giving them out any chance you get.

Come on, don't act like a peach and bruise easily.

15?

Even more impressive.

[Buddy Holly]

15?

Even more impressive.

Wanna make it 14?

[Buddy Holly]

Remind me again how much the regular season means.

So when did Devin ever play against a Mavs playoff team?

Exactly.

[picnroll]

I watched a few Jazz games this past year and thought Devin was nowhere near as effective as he had been before.

[Buddy Holly]

I watched a few Jazz games this past year and thought Devin was nowhere near as effective as he had been before.

Prepare for a full on LJ shit storm.

[Quadzilla99]

I watched a few Jazz games this past year and thought Devin was nowhere near as effective as he had been before.

Quiet you're gonna break somebody's heart.

[ChumpDumper]

I fully expected the Spurs to sign a fourth/fifth swingman that cost them $5 million riding the IR because I knew my hero Mark Cuban would do it a year later even though he was signing a center that wouldn't ride the IR. I just said nothing at the time because I wanted ChumpDumper to live with a false sense of security for an entire year. I also knew Devin's production would drop off across the board in an expanded role in Utah which will make it a no brainer to sign him for $2 million of our MLE when we don't have any centers on the team.

[Kori Ellis]

Prepare for a full on LJ shit storm.



Quiet you're gonna break somebody's heart.

Idiot responses.

LJ knows Devin wasn't as effective in Utah. He's not debating that.

He's just saying that he would've have been another option for guarding Dirk in the playoffs. He did well against Dirk in stretches in the past.

[Quadzilla99]

^^Stop it you're killing me Chumpdumper :lmao :lmao.

[Buddy Holly]

LJ is just contradicting himself in response to Devin Brown in this thread.

[Kori Ellis]

LJ is just contradicting himself in response to Devin Brown.

How so?

He's just saying that if Barry is gone, Devin should be an easy pickup for a 4th swingman.

[Quadzilla99]

I just don't get the shock and awe. Even if you disagree with the move you should be able to at least understand it.

[Buddy Holly]

How so?

I can't count on my fingers the number of times Devin guarded _irk so well.

Then I mention that the Spurs shouldn't have gone small and played Rasho or Nazr because it won us 63 games.

He then says when did the regular season count?

Devin never played against a playoff Mavs team so in thoery the only time Devin could have guarded _irk was in the regular season, when according to LJ, nothing counts.

[Kori Ellis]

I just don't get the shock and awe. Even if you disagree with the move you should be able to at least understand it.

What shock and awe?

[timvp]

I just don't get the shock and awe. Even if you disagree with the move you should be able to at least understand it.

I understand it was for money.

Do me a favor and post the insider scouting report on Devin. We are all dying to see it.

[Buddy Holly]

He's just saying that if Barry is gone, Devin should be an easy pickup for a 4th swingman.

Have you read his posts, he's saying more than that. Like Devin would have been the second best defender against _irk and we would of won the series.

[timvp]

I can't count on my fingers the number of times Devin guarded _irk so well.

Then I mention that the Spurs shouldn't have gone small and played Rasho or Nazr because it won us 63 games.

He then says when did the regular season count?

Devin never played against a playoff Mavs team so in thoery the only time Devin could have guarded _irk was in the regular season, when according to LJ, nothing counts.

This is too stupid to even justify.

[Kori Ellis]

Have you read his posts, he's saying more than that. Like Devin would have been the second best defender against _irk and we would of won the series.

Devin obviously would have been the 2nd best defender against Dirk.

The Spurs had Bowen, then no one decent to cover Dirk.

But who knows what would have happened in the series.

[Quadzilla99]

I understand it was for money.

Do me a favor and post the insider scouting report on Devin. We are all dying to see it.

Brown and Bryant Stith had one of the highest similarity Scores at 99.7. Both were chunky 6-5 guys who rebound well for their size, scored inside or out, but shot a low percentage. Brown hasn't played a lot of minutes, but he's been an underrated sub in his three years in San Antonio because he defends well, plays two positions, and can hit an open shot.

One would think that would create free-agent demand for him, but it doesn't appear to be in the cards. Brown had back trouble toward the end of last season and a lot of teams shied away from him because of it. He hadn't signed with anyone at publication time, but I would expect him to re-sign with San Antonio by the time camp opens. If that's the case and the back is OK, he'll continue to provide one of the league's best deep reserves, as well as one of the least expensive.

[Buddy Holly]

This is too stupid to even justify.

Um, no its not.

If the regular season doesn't count. Why are you touting Devin's regular season defensive skills?

[timvp]

Have you read his posts, he's saying more than that. Like Devin would have been the second best defender against _irk and we would of won the series.

Where did I say they would have won the series? Link?

And yes, Devin would have been the best or second best defender on Dirk on this team. Who do you propose is better other than Bruce at guarding Dirk?

Got damn this is like arguing with a damn 13 year old.

[Buddy Holly]

Devin obviously would have been the 2nd best defender against Dirk.

The Spurs had Bowen, then no one decent to cover Dirk.

But who knows what would have happened in the series.

It didn't matter who they put on him, the guy was insane, having his best playoff series ever.

It wasn't about him, he didn't beat us.

It was the fact that AJ owned Pop in that series.

Hell, Pop was just not him self from the get go.

He used THREE different centers against SAC in the first round.

[timvp]

Um, no its not.

If the regular season doesn't count. Why are you touting Devin's regular season defensive skills?

I said the number of regular seasons wins doesn't mean shyt come the playoffs. That is a seperate issue of how players matchup to other players.

[Buddy Holly]

And yes, Devin would have been the best or second best defender on Dirk on this team. Who do you propose is better other than Bruce at guarding Dirk?

No one.

Bowen is our best defender, he's the best on Dirk. Fact, fact, fact.

But Bowen couldn't do anything and neither would Devin Brown.

[timvp]

It didn't matter who they put on him, the guy was insane, having his best playoff series ever.

Until the Heat guarded him with a thick guy who can rebound.

Do you watch basketball?

[Buddy Holly]

I said the number of regular seasons wins doesn't mean shyt come the playoffs.


You said:


Remind me again how much the regular season means.

[timvp]

No one.

Bowen is our best defender, he's the best on Dirk. Fact, fact, fact.

But Bowen couldn't do anything and neither would Devin Brown.

Can you read? That wasn't the question.

WHO ON THE SPURS TEAM OUTSIDE OF BOWEN CAN GUARD DIRK AS WELL AS DEVIN CAN?

[Buddy Holly]

Until the Heat guarded him with a thick guy who can rebound.

Do you watch basketball?

I watched that series the guy was missing wide open threes after wide open three.

He choked, simple as that.

[timvp]

You said:

Exactly. Success in the regular season means nothing -- team wise.

I didn't say player matchups have no barring from the regular season to the playoffs.

[Buddy Holly]

Can you read? That wasn't the question.

WHO ON THE SPURS TEAM OUTSIDE OF BOWEN CAN GUARD DIRK AS WELL AS DEVIN CAN?

Devin sure, but we still WOULD HAVE LOST.

[timvp]

I watched that series the guy was missing wide open threes after wide open three.

He choked, simple as that.

Yeah because putting a guy on him who can rebound had no effect. :rolleyes

Stick to taking pictures.

[Buddy Holly]

Exactly. Success in the regular season means nothing -- team wise.

So you say

Remind me again how much the regular season means.

And I'm supposed to get a deeper meaning from that response.

Things about the playoffs and team this and team that?

Look, we beat the Kings using 7 foot centers.

We beat the Suns last year using 7 foot centers.

The Mavs beat us using a pair of 7 foot centers.

Guess what team decided not to play their two seven footers?

[Quadzilla99]

I thought John Madden had it bad for Favre that's a casual acquaintance compared to this man crush. He was a decent player Timvp. You make it sound like it was when the Bulls FO broke up the Bulls in '98. He had several things going against him. It was a calculated move given the circumstances.

[Buddy Holly]

Yeah because putting a guy on him who can rebound had no effect. :rolleyes

When you miss open shot after open shot.

No, not really.

Apparently I not the one who didn't watch that series.

[timvp]

Devin sure

OK then what are you arguing about? The Spurs let go of their second best player to guard Dirk. And nobody knows what would have happened if the Spurs had put a guy who can rebound on Dirk.

[Mr. Body]

He would have fouled out?

[timvp]

I thought John Madden had it bad for Favre that's a casual acquaintance compared to this man crush. He was a decent player Timvp. You make it sound like it was when the Bulls FO broke up the Bulls in '98. He had several things going against him. It was a calculated move given the circumstances.

:jack

Devin Brown is a decent NBA player. He's not even good enough to make most teams. That said, it was dumb for the Spurs to let him go for a one-year offer from the Jazz.

[Buddy Holly]

OK then what are you arguing about? The Spurs let go of their second best player to guard Dirk. And nobody knows what would have happened if the Spurs had put a guy who can rebound on Dirk.

Because it wasn't Dirk who BEAT us.

It was everyone else.

Give Dirk his 30 points. But to allow Diop and Dampier to do what they did was unforgivable.

And when you have Finley playing PF and you're losing games, maybe its the fucking time to change back to a basic 7 footer at center lineup.

Had we played Nazr or Rasho at center, that series is over in 5 going the Spurs way.

[Buddy Holly]

He would have fouled out?

After gettig 7 blocks, 22 rebounds, and 11 steals. :spin

[Quadzilla99]

:jack

Devin Brown is a decent NBA player. He's not even good enough to make most teams. That said, it was dumb for the Spurs to let him go for a one-year offer from the Jazz.

I probably even agree with that but, you're so worked up about it.

[Buddy Holly]

Dirk had no one to stop him from entering the paint at will like Miami had with Shaq and Zo.

The Mavs made Duncan guard away from the basket which allowed Dirk to just screen and roll to the basket and have Barry or Finley try and stop him in the paint.

Solid fucking game plan.

[timvp]

Because it wasn't Dirk who BEAT us.

It was everyone else.

Give Dirk his 30 points. But to allow Diop and Dampier to do what they did was unforgivable.

And when you have Finley playing PF and you're losing games, maybe its the fucking time to change back to a basic 7 footer at center lineup.

Had we played Nazr or Rasho at center, that series is over in 5 going the Spurs way.

Okay, now this is just turning into another anti-small ball thread. The ironic thing is that Devin had experience as playing the 4 in the small ball lineup.

But I'm not going to argue with you about whether the Spurs were right or wrong to go to small ball. Go search for my posts on that.

I'm done with you.


P.S.

San Antonio sucks and is a small market and the downtown is ugly.

[Buddy Holly]

I'm done with you.

Hold your head up high in defeat.

Be noble. :elephant

[Quadzilla99]

^^Not childish at all.

[iminlakerland]

Just heard about the trade...never thought i'd see fisher in a jazz jersey. But derek fisher is a sloan type player and i think he will fit in perfectly in the jazz system. He will bring leadership to that team and be able to make the necessary passes. He will also be able to play good defense for them, granted i still think fisher's contract is a tad bit ridiculous, but with players cheating off of him he will be able to make the open shot. It will be interesting to see how all of this plays out for Utah.

[angel_luv]

Devin to the Warriors?

I hope he likes it there.

Isn't Mario Ellie and assistant coach there?

[wildbill2u]

LJ knows Devin wasn't as effective in Utah. He's not debating that.

He's just saying that he would've have been another option for guarding Dirk in the playoffs. He did well against Dirk in stretches in the past.

The league--and most teams--are full of players who provide options. Dirk got some new options and learned a little something new this year from Avery for his repertoire. He started taking midgets downtown instead of letting them harrass him on the perimeter.

Let's face it. Not many players are gonna shut Dirk down in a series. He's getting better.

[Guru of Nothing]

As far as this trade goes, I wouldn't want to be Utah and have to pay $8M for a 36-year-old Fisher in a couple years. It was a good move by Mullin to get rid of that contract and make room for more playing time for Monta Ellis.

Can I get another spur if Monta Ellis makes the All-Star game this year?

[T Park]

:lol

@ Buddy Holly

before you know it, he'll be in another Spursreport chat room badmouthing Kori and TIMVP again.

[ChumpDumper]

:lol

@ Buddy Holly

before you know it, he'll be in another Spursreport chat room badmouthing Kori and TIMVP again.Has there been any fallout from the "Ban me MOTHERFUCKER!" thread?

[ChumpDumper]

I changed it to just "Ban Me".

If it's not on the first page there is no fallout. I did merge one of your topics into the "What Now" thread. If your pissed you know whom to be pissed at.