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thepeopleslawyer
07-05-2006, 04:00 PM
Group wants Americans to adopt phonetic spelling


WASHINGTON - When “say,” “they” and “weigh” rhyme, but “bomb,” “comb” and “tomb” don’t, wuudn’t it maek mor sens to spel wurdz the wae thae sound?

Those in favor of simplified spelling say children would learn faster and illiteracy rates would drop. Opponents say a new system would make spelling even more confusing.

Eether wae, the consept has yet to capcher th publix imajinaeshun.

It’s been 100 years since Andrew Carnegie helped create the Simplified Spelling Board to promote a retooling of written English and President Theodore Roosevelt tried to force the government to use simplified spelling in its publications. But advocates aren’t giving up.

They even picket the national spelling bee finals, held every year in Washington, costumed as bumble bees and hoisting signs that say “Enuf is enuf but enough is too much” or “I’m thru with through.”

Thae sae th bee selebraets th ability of a fue stoodents to master a dificult sistem that stumps meny utherz hoo cuud do just as wel if speling were simpler.

“It’s a very difficult thing to get something accepted like this,” says Alan Mole, president of the American Literacy Council, which favors an end to “illogical spelling.” The group says English has 42 sounds spelled in a bewildering 400 ways.

Americans doen’t aulwaez go for whut’s eezy — witnes th faeluer of th metric sistem to cach on. But propoenents of simpler speling noet that a smatering of aulterd spelingz hav maed th leep into evrydae ues.

Doughnut also is donut; colour, honour and labour long ago lost the British “u” and the similarly derived theatre and centre have been replaced by the easier-to-sound-out theater and center.

“The kinds of progress that we’re seeing are that someone will spell night ’nite’ and someone will spell through ’thru,”’ Mole said. “We try to show where these spellings are used and to show dictionary makers that they are used so they will include them as alternate spellings.”

“Great changes have been made in the past. Systems can change,” a hopeful Mole said.

Lurning English reqierz roet memory rather than lojic, he sed.

In languages with phonetically spelled words, like German or Spanish, children learn to spell in weeks instead of months or years as is sometimes the case with English, Mole said.

But education professor Donald Bear said to simplify spelling would probably make it more difficult because words get meaning from their prefixes, suffixes and roots.

“Students come to understand how meaning is preserved in the way words are spelled,” said Bear, director of the E.L. Cord Foundation Center for Learning and Literacy at the University of Nevada, Reno.

Th cuntry’s larjest teecherz uennyon, wuns a suporter, aulso objects.

Michael Marks, a member of the National Education Association’s executive committee, said learning would be disrupted if children had to switch to a different spelling system. “It may be more trouble than it’s worth,” said Marks, a debate and theater teacher at Hattiesburg High School in Mississippi.

E-mail and text messages are exerting a similar tug on the language, sharing some elements with the simplified spelling movement while differing in other ways. Electronic communications stress shortcuts like “u” more than phonetics. Simplified spelling is not always shorter than regular spelling — sistem instead of system, hoep instead of hope.

Carnegie tried to moov thingz along in 1906 when he helpt establish and fund th speling bord. He aulso uezd simplified speling in his correspondens, and askt enywun hoo reported to him to do the saem.

A filanthropist, he becaem pashunet about th ishoo after speeking with Melvil Dewey, a speling reform activist and Dewey Desimal sistem inventor hoo simplified his furst naem bi droping “le” frum Melville.

Roosevelt tried to get the government to adopt simpler spellings for 300 words but Congress blocked him. He used simple spellings in all White House memos, pressing forward his effort to “make our spelling a little less foolish and fantastic.”

The Chicago Tribune aulso got into th act, uezing simpler spelingz in th nuezpaeper for about 40 years, ending in 1975. Plae-riet George Bernard Shaw, hoo roet moest of his mateerial in shorthand, left muny in his wil for th development of a nue English alfabet.

Carnegie, Dewey, Roosevelt and Shaw’s work followed attempts by Benjamin Franklin, Daniel Webster and Mark Twain to advance simpler spelling. Twain lobbied The Associated Press at its 1906 annual meeting to “adopt and use our simplified forms and spread them to the ends of the earth.” AP declined.

But for aul th hi-proefiel and skolarly eforts, the iedeea of funy-luuking but simpler spelingz didn’t captivaet the masez then — or now.

“I think that the average person simply did not see this as a needed change or a necessary change or something that was ... going to change their lives for the better,” said Marilyn Cocchiola Holt, manager of the Pennsylvania department of the Carnegie Library of Pittsburgh.

Carnegie, hoo embraest teknolojy, died in 1919, wel befor sel foenz. Had he livd, he probably wuud hav bin pleezd to no that milyonz of peepl send text and instant mesejez evry dae uezing thair oen formz of simplified speling: “Hav a gr8 day!”

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NorCal510
07-05-2006, 04:07 PM
fuck that

CavsSuperFan
07-05-2006, 04:10 PM
Wait till Kori, Katy & SW read this nonsense.... :smokin

Slomo
07-05-2006, 04:12 PM
Works for the Serbs.

katyon6th
07-05-2006, 04:15 PM
I don't have time for this shit right now.

E20
07-05-2006, 04:35 PM
What about words that sound the same?

Four, For.

Hour, Our..........etc

female sports fan
07-05-2006, 04:50 PM
fuck that


what the fuck do you care? you don't know how to spell shit anyways, yadadadajig? yee!

mcornelio
07-05-2006, 05:12 PM
im sure norcals wigger ass would love this shit yadadadidudada

ididnotnothat
07-05-2006, 07:50 PM
wurd

spurster
07-05-2006, 09:34 PM
It would make sense if spelling was phonetic, but there would be a big retraining cost.

NorCal510
07-05-2006, 09:46 PM
what the fuck do you care? you don't know how to spell shit anyways, yadadadajig? yee!
hahah this shit cracked me up thanks a lot female sports fan you just made my day

Johnny_Blaze_47
07-05-2006, 10:02 PM
All I know is that's a great fucking lede.

Please_dont_ban_me
07-05-2006, 10:40 PM
It's like that in Arabic.

There are basic sounds, and letters...then in words you put the letters along with a symbol above or below it to make it sound the way you want it said. Like a 'b' with a symbol over it would be "buh" and a 'b' with a symbol under it would be a "beeh".



I guess my point is, I think other languages already do that?

furry_spurry
07-06-2006, 12:24 AM
Just teach the kids how to read and spell. Some words you just have to learn. Too bad.

Slomo
07-06-2006, 03:57 AM
It's like that in Arabic.

There are basic sounds, and letters...then in words you put the letters along with a symbol above or below it to make it sound the way you want it said. Like a 'b' with a symbol over it would be "buh" and a 'b' with a symbol under it would be a "beeh".



I guess my point is, I think other languages already do that?
The Serbian language is based on a concept set by the Byzantine missionaries Cyril an Method in the 9th century: "Write as you speak".

Which makes for some funny situation when foreign words are quoted in a Serbian text, because they are in fact spelled phonetically. So words like "image" become "imiđ", essential becomes "esenšial", contribution is "kontribjušon" and my favourites "Đon Vejn" and "Kejt Bekinsejl" (I'll let you guess these two).

1Parker1
07-06-2006, 08:01 AM
:lol IF they think the illiteracy rate is high now...think how high it'll be if they had the re-teach everyone in America how to spell these basic words.

Oh and one word: E-Bonics.

whottt
07-06-2006, 08:14 AM
"Đon Vejn" and "Kejt Bekinsejl" (I'll let you guess these two).


Don Juan and Kate Beckinsdale?

Slomo
07-06-2006, 08:16 AM
Kate Beckinsale is correct, but not Don Juan :) Think American movie actor.

1Parker1
07-06-2006, 08:34 AM
John Wayne?

whottt
07-06-2006, 08:36 AM
George C Scott?

1Parker1
07-06-2006, 08:38 AM
George C Scott?

What the heck? That doesn't sound anywhere near "Don Vejn" :lol

whottt
07-06-2006, 08:40 AM
This will probably happen anyway as more and more times goes by...it's already kind of happening on the internet....as more and more people start to spell things a certain way it will become more acceptable...

1Parker1
07-06-2006, 08:45 AM
Was that a jab at me for not getting ur joke? :oops

whottt
07-06-2006, 08:55 AM
LMAO no...You got the joke just fine. And I think John Wayne is the right answer too.

1Parker1
07-06-2006, 09:03 AM
:lol

ObiwanGinobili
07-06-2006, 09:11 AM
:lol

I think 1Parker1 should now be spelled : 1CubanLover1

DarkReign
07-06-2006, 09:11 AM
I have always detested English and its over-abundance of suffixes and prefixes. Word structure, sentence structure and even paragraphs and composition are completely unintuitive (to me).

My skills lack in grammar, yet I won the spelling bee in my school 3 years in a row and excelled in Literature. Now go ahead and correct my spelling mistakes (:lol).

I dont like English, but I speak much better than I write/type.

1Parker1
07-06-2006, 09:12 AM
I think 1Parker1 should now be spelled : 1CubanLover1


Umm...but then people might think I'm actually sleeping with Cuban and take it seriously :oops

easjer
07-06-2006, 09:12 AM
What an awful idea. Education is expensive and underfunded enough without having to remake all those teaching aides.

Are we going to reprint the classics that way too?

And speaking of that, how will children learn the differences between to, two and too/ they're, there, and their when there are no visual clues?

Yeah. Really. Let's keep dumbing it down for our kids, because that has worked SO well for us the past forty years. God forbid we ever set higher expectations and teach to abilities - Junior's feelings might be hurt.

Spurminator
07-06-2006, 09:13 AM
u know its all mute NEwayz cuz in 10 yrs evrybody will B typin like this ;)

1Parker1
07-06-2006, 09:15 AM
u know its all mute NEwayz cuz in 10 yrs evrybody will B typin like this ;)

LOL

ShoogarBear
07-06-2006, 09:18 AM
Verily, we shouldeth still be speakingeth liketh Chaucer, as all changes in language are bad.

Keeping a language fixed and immutable makes it vital. Just ask the French.

1Parker1
07-06-2006, 09:19 AM
Verily, we shouldeth still be speakingeth liketh Chaucer, as all changes in language are bad.

Ahh, is that how they spoke back in your time during the early 1900's? :angel

ShoogarBear
07-06-2006, 09:20 AM
Umm...but then people might think I'm actually sleeping with Cuban and take it seriously :oops

You mean like we all think you're sleeping with Parker now?

Anyway, no one would think that about you and Cuban.., because you're a woman.

ShoogarBear
07-06-2006, 09:21 AM
Text messaging is going to drive all changes in language over the next 10 years.

1Parker1
07-06-2006, 09:24 AM
Anyway, no one would think that about you and Cuban.., because you're a woman.

:lol True. Perhaps you should change your name to ShaqBearLover instead?

Slomo
07-06-2006, 09:25 AM
John Wayne?:tu :)

1Parker1
07-06-2006, 09:25 AM
Text messaging is going to drive all changes in language over the next 10 years.

That's just sad. I think it's more so the internet (i.e Chatrooms, Forums, Instant messaging, etc.) than text messaging.

1Parker1
07-06-2006, 09:26 AM
:tu :)

30 minutes later he comes back and tells us the right answer....:angel

:elephant

ShoogarBear
07-06-2006, 09:27 AM
30 minutes later he comes back and tells us the right answer....:angel

:elephant

Not everyone gets to work for SKG.

1Parker1
07-06-2006, 09:28 AM
Not everyone gets to work for SKG.

:lol Not everyone is as smart as you, Mr. T.I.M. (get it?)

1Parker1
07-06-2006, 09:30 AM
Now that I think about...one word they really need to change the spelling of is Wednesday. I had the hardest time learning to spell that damn word when I was young. Is the "D" really neccesary? Why can't it be Wenesday? :eyebrows

ShoogarBear
07-06-2006, 09:35 AM
Why would they need the second "e"? Wensday.

1Parker1
07-06-2006, 09:38 AM
Why would they need the second "e"? Wensday.

You're right, even better! I think because when I was a kid I kept spelling it Wenesday...eventually I got so fed up I just spelled the abbreviation, Wed. :lol

Spurminator
07-06-2006, 09:38 AM
I do think the word "verily" is due for a comeback.

Let's make it happen.

Spurminator
07-06-2006, 09:39 AM
Instead of changing the SPELLINGS of words to be phonetic, why don't we keep the words spelled as they are, but PRONOUNCE them phonetically???

ObiwanGinobili
07-06-2006, 09:40 AM
Umm...but then people might think I'm actually sleeping with Cuban and take it seriously :oops


faghag's don't actually do the deed.
Just ask Katie Holmes.

samikeyp
07-06-2006, 09:41 AM
What an awful idea. Education is expensive and underfunded enough without having to remake all those teaching aides.

Are we going to reprint the classics that way too?

And speaking of that, how will children learn the differences between to, two and too/ they're, there, and their when there are no visual clues?

Yeah. Really. Let's keep dumbing it down for our kids, because that has worked SO well for us the past forty years. God forbid we ever set higher expectations and teach to abilities - Junior's feelings might be hurt.

Amen. We need to stop making wusses out of our kids. Children need to skin their knees once in a while...its how we all learn.

samikeyp
07-06-2006, 09:41 AM
faghag's don't actually do the deed.
Just ask Katie Holmes.

:lmao :lmao :lmao

This is why you have to love the Obi. :tu

easjer
07-06-2006, 09:42 AM
:lol 1Parker1 - the place we are trying to buy is on Wednesbury Lane. It runs into the same dilemma and I've heard it pronounced three different ways.

I think there is room for language to change and grow, but I don't think a wholesale revision of the spellings which, in essence, dumbs it down 'for the kids' is a bright idea.

ObiwanGinobili
07-06-2006, 09:42 AM
I constantly haveto tell myself to spell Saturday like this <----- instead of Saterday.

I keep reminding myself of Saturn and all that myth.


Really the days of the week should be numbered. 1-5 and then fun1 and fun2. :lol

1Parker1
07-06-2006, 09:43 AM
Instead of changing the SPELLINGS of words to be phonetic, why don't we keep the words spelled as they are, but PRONOUNCE them phonetically???

"Yesterday was Wed-nes-day."

Damn, those are tongue-twisters if we try to phonetically pronounce some of those words...:lol

1Parker1
07-06-2006, 09:45 AM
Really the days of the week should be numbered. 1-5 and then fun1 and fun2. :lol

:lol I like the fun1 and fun2 part.


But if we numbered the days of the week 1-5...children learning addition in 1st grade math class with think 2+2 now equals Thursday :lmao :lmao

ObiwanGinobili
07-06-2006, 09:45 AM
:lol 1Parker1 - the place we are trying to buy is on Wednesbury Lane. It runs into the same dilemma and I've heard it pronounced three different ways.

I think there is room for language to change and grow, but I don't think a wholesale revision of the spellings which, in essence, dumbs it down 'for the kids' is a bright idea.


when Emno took a trip to New York with bunch of fellow texans... they were looking at a map and the place they needed to go was on Houston st.
They asked alot of passerby's th quickest way to Houston st .

noone knew what the hell they were talking about. apparently they pronounce it house - ton st. :rolleyes.

1Parker1
07-06-2006, 09:46 AM
:lol 1Parker1 - the place we are trying to buy is on Wednesbury Lane.


I could never buy a house on that street...would bring back too many bad memories of me sitting at my little desk when I was young practicing how to spell Wednesday...:lol

ObiwanGinobili
07-06-2006, 09:46 AM
:lol I like the fun1 and fun2 part.


But if we numbered the days of the week 1-5...children learning addition in 1st grade math class with think 2+2 now equals Thursday :lmao :lmao

not if there was no such word as thursday. banish it.


then again.. if we take this thinking a step further. this would be an excellent way to expand the Dominos 2x's Tuesday prmotion.

1Parker1
07-06-2006, 09:48 AM
then again.. if we take this thinking a step further. this would be an excellent way to expand the Dominos 2x's Tuesday prmotion.


:lol Are you pregnant again? Thinking about food at 10 am is a first sign....:angel

ObiwanGinobili
07-06-2006, 09:52 AM
:lol Are you pregnant again? Thinking about food at 10 am is a first sign....:angel


what are you trying to jinx me??

:lol no, just can't stop thinking about hte food possiblities when Emo and I go out saturday.
only have time for a quick bite since we are going to see Jack Sparrow.

ShoogarBear
07-06-2006, 10:40 AM
I do think the word "verily" is due for a comeback.

Let's make it happen.

Forsooth.