Hate Groups Infiltrate The Military in Iraq

[Nbadan]

Hate Groups Are Infiltrating the Military, Group Asserts
By JOHN KIFNER
Published: July 7, 2006


A decade after the Pentagon declared a zero-tolerance policy for racist hate groups, recruiting shortfalls caused by the war in Iraq have allowed "large numbers of neo-Nazis and skinhead extremists" to infiltrate the military, according to a watchdog organization.

The Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks racist and right-wing militia groups, estimated that the numbers could run into the thousands, citing interviews with Defense Department investigators and reports and postings on racist Web sites and magazines.

"We've got Aryan Nations graffiti in Baghdad," the group quoted a Defense Department investigator as saying in a report to be posted today on its Web site, www.splcenter.org . "That's a problem."

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The report said that neo-Nazi groups like the National Alliance, whose founder, William Pierce, wrote "The Turner Diaries," the novel that was the inspiration and blueprint for Timothy J. McVeigh's bombing of the Oklahoma City federal building, sought to enroll followers in the Army to get training for a race war.

NY Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/07/washington/07recruit.html?ex=1309924800&en=18e0e7dce2b8c8d3&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss)

Seems that Al Queda and White supremists groups have much in common. Al-Qa'ida is the product of an Arab fascist group that was set up in the 1920s, funded by Adolf Hitler, used by British, French and American Intelligence after WWII, and later was supported by the Saudis and reactivated by the CIA.

[chode_regulator]

wow "thousands" of racist in the military. oh no. considering hwo many are in the military i'd say thats a pretty small amount.
btw, other than racist jokes that are made in any work place across america, the three different units ive been in in the last 3 yrs have had little to no racism. in fact, ive seen only one person who had any affiliation at all to any kind of neo nazism or anything like that
out of curiousity, nbadan, are you retired or something? seems like you ahve a shitload of time to dig up all kindsof shit. some worth reading, but alot arent. like this.

[sabar]

Not a lot considering how many people are enlisted total, but it's bound to happen, you can't get all.

[boutons_]

The US military will take any old rubbish now, as employer of last resort for all kinds of losers, raising the age limit to 42, stop-loss orders, as the red-staters hypocritically vote only with their fingers, not their bodies.

The military is desperate for bodies to waste in the Repug Iraq quagmire, so their PR of "zero tolerance" of the haters is seen now as just PR.

[Clandestino]

wow... that is how you feel about the people who protect your right to be a fucking dumbass?

[xrayzebra]

The US military will take any old rubbish now, as employer of last resort for all kinds of losers, raising the age limit to 42, stop-loss orders, as the red-staters hypocritically vote only with their fingers, not their bodies.

The military is desperate for bodies to waste in the Repug Iraq quagmire, so their PR of "zero tolerance" of the haters is seen now as just PR.

Once again you prove our point. You have no sense whatsoever.

[boutons_]

The Army has said repeatedly said in the last couple year that the "professional", volunteer Army they have been nurturing since the 1970s (after conscription was canned) is at grave risk due to the (phony Repug) Iraq war keeping recruitment down.

The Army has been forced to lower its not-high-to-start-with standards, so racist white trash is finding it easier to sign up.

None of the above has anything to do with me. Throw your slime where it belongs, on the WHIG/Repugs.

Cant-distingo-truth, the Army in Iraq is NOT defending me or anybody else from anything. They are suckered pawns in the Rove/Repug political campaign.

The damage the Repugs have done to the military with the phone Iraq war will last for years.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

The US military will take any old rubbish now, as employer of last resort for all kinds of losers, raising the age limit to 42, stop-loss orders, as the red-staters hypocritically vote only with their fingers, not their bodies.

The military is desperate for bodies to waste in the Repug Iraq quagmire, so their PR of "zero tolerance" of the haters is seen now as just PR.

You do realize that the 'red states' make up the majority of the individuals in the military, right?

Damn, you are one ungrateful son of a bitch. What happened to you croutons?

[boutons_]

Majority or not, there are millions of red-staters who vote for dubya, the Repugs, and their phony war, but refuse to enlist to fight those wars, so the Army has to lower standards, to raise age limits, to lock in enlisted people.

There aren't enough red-staters with the conviction of their votes.

The Army doesn't need millions, just a few 100K, out of the 10s of millions of hypocritical red-staters of military age who refuse to enlist, like AHF, clandestino, etc.

[jochhejaam]

There aren't enough red-staters with the conviction of their votes.[size=3]


There are millions of people that support abortion rights with their votes but 99.9% of them wouldn't perform an abortion bouts. Is there a problem with their convictions too?

[RobinsontoDuncan]

There are millions of people that support abortion rights with their votes but 99.9% of them wouldn't perform an abortion bouts. Is there a problem with their convictions too?


That is one analogy is soooo far off man, lmao.

People dont support abortion rights because they believe abortion is the moral thing to do when one gets pregnant, we support abortion rights due to the plethora of moral concerns that stem from allowing society to control a woman's body, as well as the ability of that woman to have a happy and productive life.

That being said, if my wife were to again become pregnant I wouldn't feel it my duty to have an abortion (and neither would she obviously), because we support the right of women to get an abortion.

Now what butons is saying, agree with him or not, is that it is the southern and midwestern states in this country that have elected Bush and support his war in Iraq the most, and of the millions of people who voted for Bush, and republicans in this last election, from those states (around 52 million i believe) we have failed to see a large majority of them place themselves in harms way to help protect the convictions they espouse in the voting booth.

Take that as you will.

And I have no idea how to look that up AHF, but I'm failry certain that the army is well split between the two regions, especially considering how many military recruits come from the inner cities of places like New York and LA.

[RobinsontoDuncan]

although considering the south is the center of conservatism in this country, and is by far and away the most backward region in the US (I bet the IQ drops by an average of 10 points at the mason-dixon line) and is also by far and away the most racist region of the country historically, I wouldn't be at all suprised if this growth in the Aryan Nation is the south doing just that boutons, putting it's money where its mouth is.

[01Snake]

So if you support the war, does this mean you should quit your job, kiss the family goodbye and enlist?

Give me a fucking break.

[xrayzebra]

although considering the south is the center of conservatism in this country, and is by far and away the most backward region in the US (I bet the IQ drops by an average of 10 points at the mason-dixon line) and is also by far and away the most racist region of the country historically, I wouldn't be at all suprised if this growth in the Aryan Nation is the south doing just that boutons, putting it's money where its mouth is.

And you have the gaul to call the South backward and racist. You Idiot!

[jochhejaam]

[QUOTE]People dont support abortion rights because they believe abortion is the moral thing to do when one gets pregnant, we support abortion rights due to the plethora of moral concerns that stem from allowing society to control a woman's body, as well as the ability of that woman to have a happy and productive life.
You're a goof RD (and I mean that in a nice way)
So the woman's happy but the babies dead and you're supportive of that!? And you have the gall to insert "moral concern's" into your ridiculous arguement? :lmao







That being said, if my wife were to again become pregnant I wouldn't feel it my duty to have an abortion (and neither would she obviously), because we support the right of women to get an abortion.
Ditto for those that support the fight against terrorism but don't feel it's their duty to engage in combat because of that support.
Thanks for unwittingly supporting my arguement and (obviously) undermining your own.

[Clandestino]

Cant-distingo-truth, the Army in Iraq is NOT defending me or anybody else from anything. They are suckered pawns in the Rove/Repug political campaign.

The damage the Repugs have done to the military with the phone Iraq war will last for years.

the army in iraq is the same fucking army that goes everywhere else..

[RobinsontoDuncan]

And you have the gall to call the South backward and racist. You Idiot!
Hey xray, I live here.....and it is.


You're a goof RD (and I mean that in a nice way)
Actually in person I am a very happy go lucky, and despite my strong frustration with Xray and some of the other resident conservatives on this forum I appreciate the intelligent conversation and actually like them, even if this forum doesn't seem to be the most level headed forum (as far as argumentation goes) I would say, sadly, that this is the closest to civil discourse I have witnessed in our country in quite some time.


So the woman's happy but the babies dead and you're supportive of that!? And you have the gall to insert "moral concerns" into your ridiculous argument
Well I suppose that just illustrates a major difference in our opinion, I don’t consider a fetus "alive" nor a baby. I mean we could surely go into all the "inns and outs" of the abortion debate with the multiple trimesters and where is it fair to call the child alive and such, but that would be seriously hijacking this thread, start an abortion one and I would be more than happy to go with it. I've actually litigated for NOW on behalf of abortion rights in the past.

As for the other question, perhaps you misunderstood my morality argument. You see in my opinion, what a woman does in her doctor's office is a matter of not only privileged communication, something I take rather seriously, but it is also a matter of her privacy and privilege as a citizen. For society to openly challenge her right to control her own body is a heinous offense in my opinion, after all, I surely would not want the government to tell me what I could or could not due with my body.



Ditto for those that support the fight against terrorism but don't feel it's their duty to engage in combat because of that support.
Thanks for unwittingly supporting my argument and (obviously) undermining your own.

Now here is where I see a very distinct delineation. Those who voted in favor of politicians that are making the current policies in Iraq are directly sending others into harms way for a conflict they support.

Now when I take a stand and support a woman's right to chose I am attempting to maintain the right to exercise an option. You may see this as me sending babies to their immediate death, which is a matter of opinion, but notice that I neither voted for this policy, nor did I specify a single individual.

Also, by fighting to maintain the right to go horse back riding I am not forcing every citizen to do so, likewise by supporting abortion rights I am not saying abortion should be universally applied, that would, indeed be a far worse violation of a woman's privacy rights and her body.

I hope this clarifies a bit more.

[Clandestino]

from hate groups in iraq to abortion? crazy...

btw, i agree abortion should be legal...

[xrayzebra]

^^Well obviously you have never been to some of the Eastern States. Funny thing
happens in schools. No matter how bad the districts are, some kids come out of
them with good educations and go on to excel in their field. Racism is not a
Southern thing, Northern thing or any other regions or country thing for that matter.
Racism exist in all parts of the world and in all races. Same goes for the IQ's.
Some people have a lot of education and don't know squat. While others have little
formal education and have considerable knowledge.

And sorry I frustrate you. But I have strong opinions. I also have a strong
love for my country. I too get frustrated by the liberal view of some. And I like
to let them know about it. That they haven't got the only view. I know many
don't share my views. But so be it. Just so long as I can let them know that
they aren't considered correct in all their views either.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Majority or not, there are millions of red-staters who vote for dubya, the Repugs, and their phony war, but refuse to enlist to fight those wars, so the Army has to lower standards, to raise age limits, to lock in enlisted people.

There aren't enough red-staters with the conviction of their votes.

The Army doesn't need millions, just a few 100K, out of the 10s of millions of hypocritical red-staters of military age who refuse to enlist, like AHF, clandestino, etc.




Using that same logic, when are you and NBADan going to get married (same sex), and go enlist in the jihad and blow up a few American soldiers with bombs strapped to your chests?

Because some of us support the administration, we should automatically go and enlist in the infantry? You're a retard.

[jochhejaam]

[QUOTE]Actually in person I am a very happy go lucky,
Alright I take back the goof thing then.





Well I suppose that just illustrates a major difference in our opinion, I don’t consider a fetus "alive" nor a baby.
That's in stark contrast to the medical community that overwhelmingly believes that life begins at conception. That's not open for debate.
(RD's opinion > Expert Medical evidence).







For society to openly challenge her right to control her own body is a heinous offense in my opinion, after all, I surely would not want the government to tell me what I could or could not due with my body.
Except that the fetus is a separate human being dependent on the nurturing of the mother in order to survive. A pregnant woman has 2 beating hearts so unless we have ventured into the medically profound there's 2 people and one of them is not given a say in his/her desire to live. ...but since they aren't yet able to speak for themselves it's okay to "off" them.





Now here is where I see a very distinct delineation. Those who voted in favor of politicians that are making the current policies in Iraq are directly sending others into harms way for a conflict they support.
Those who support abortion know very well that there are 1.2 million abortions performed in the U.S. every year and with that in mind they are undeniably casting a vote for the slaughter of the innocent unborn.

[Clandestino]

The Army doesn't need millions, just a few 100K, out of the 10s of millions of hypocritical red-staters of military age who refuse to enlist, like AHF, clandestino, etc.


[/size]

just noticed this from all the other drivel... i have already served in the military... what have you done besides jack off to internet porn and argue on the internet?

[jochhejaam]

[QUOTE=Clandestino]from hate groups in iraq to abortion? crazy...
In it's original context it was used as a parallel but it's turned into somewhat of a themejacking. Go figure.





btw, i agree abortion should be legal...
Obviously you weren't a casualty, that's good...

[boutons_]

the right-wingers have no response to the the facts of the Iraq war setting back the professional Army by many years, and effectively total abstention of 10s of milions eligible red-staters from participating in THEIR president's phony war.

You people really like to talk trash, but you have nothing to say of substance.
what a bunch of fucking jokers.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

the right-wingers have no response to the the facts of the Iraq war setting back the professional Army by many years, and effectively total abstention of 10s of milions eligible red-staters from participating in THEIR president's phony war.

You people really like to talk trash, but you have nothing to say of substance.
what a bunch of fucking jokers.

Substance? No response to facts?

Prove to me that the 'professional Army' is being set back by many years.

Abstention of 10s of millions of eligible red staters in participating? Again, where do you come up with this head up your ass logic of thinking that anyone who voted for the guy should be enlisted?

Until I see you sucking someone's dick in support of gay marriage, you shouldn't be calling on anyone on the right to enlist to support the Republican party.

And to top it all off, all this holier than thou 'you people really like to talk trash' shit that you're posting... look in the mirror asswipe. You talk more trash about the right and about W. than anyone on this site (even Dan).

[dougp]

the right-wingers have no response to the the facts of the Iraq war setting back the professional Army by many years, and effectively total abstention of 10s of milions eligible red-staters from participating in THEIR president's phony war.

You people really like to talk trash, but you have nothing to say of substance.
what a bunch of fucking jokers.
How fast you democrats forget that Clinton cut the military back by a significant amount. It took us 2 years to get the amount of troops we have in Iraq now, what took 3 MONTHS in 1990.

Buy a fuckin clue, this thing wouldn't be as messy if we actually had the number of troops, and budget that was CUT by Clinton.

[boutons_]

I am not a Democrat, but you mental error is par for the rabble "intellect".

"It took us 2 years to get the amount of troops we have in Iraq now, what took 3 MONTHS in 1990."

1990 was still in the period just after the collapse of the Soviet Empire in 1989, with US troops still at Cold War levels.

Also, going to fight in Kuwait against a US-type invasion of by Saddam of a non-threatening country was a hell of lot easier to recruit for than the phony Repug bullshit in Iraq.

If dubya was unhappy with the troop levels between Jan - Sep 2001, why didn't he increase the troop levels then (he fucking already knew then he was going to invade Iraq no matter what, a Repug decision taken a year or two earlier). He didn't. All he and Repgus did in that period was ram through a huge tax cut for the rich + corps and go on holiday.

The fatal hammer blow to your weak shit is that Shinsheki was fired for saying Iraq would need 400K troops a la the Powell doctrine of overwhelming force, but Rummy wanted to do Iraq on the cheap (the funds were gone into tax cuts), with a light, mobile force, totally unforseeing a protracted insurgency.

The Repugs have fucked the US military in Iraq, and Iraq will fuck the Repugs in the elections. Red-staters don't believe in this war now. They refuse to enlist and support dubya with their bodies to provide relief for the poor mofo's trapped in multiple trips to Iraq, stop-loss orders, etc.

Blaming the Rupug fuckup in Iraq on Clinton is ridiculous, but again, par for the rabble course.

[mookie2001]

dam boutons reigns in blood on yall neocons!

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

If dubya was unhappy with the troop levels between Jan - Sep 2001, why didn't he increase the troop levels then (he fucking already knew then he was going to invade Iraq no matter what, a Repug decision taken a year or two earlier). He didn't. All he and Repgus did in that period was ram through a huge tax cut for the rich + corps and go on holiday.

Actually at that point Bush was already working on increasing troop levels and defense spending.

Try again, croutons :spin


They refuse to enlist and support dubya with their bodies to provide relief for the poor mofo's trapped in multiple trips to Iraq, stop-loss orders, etc.


I know 8 different guys who are and have been over in Iraq multiple times. All are there because they wanted to be their with their comrades, not because of your retarded stop-loss buzz word that you stole from whinyassliberalunderground.com