Spurs sign point guard Jacque Vaughn

[ducks]

Spurs sign point guard Jacque Vaughn, extend offers to centers Elson and Butler
Spurs sign point guard Jacque Vaughn, extend offers to centers Elson and Butler

Web Posted: 07/12/2006 03:08 PM CDT
By Johnny Ludden
Express-News Staff Writer

The Spurs moved quickly when the NBA’s free-agent signing period began Wednesday, signing point guard Jacque Vaughn and extending offer sheets to centers Francisco Elson and Jackie Butler.


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Elson and Butler are restricted free agents, so Denver and New York have seven days to match the offers. The Knicks have already indicated they want to keep Butler.

The Spurs extended offers to both Elson and Butler in part because they were unable to reach agreement with former second-round pick Robertas Javtokas. Javtokas is preparing to play in Greece, but the Spurs haven’t given up hope they will be able to resume negotiations with him, if needed.

Vaughn, who signed a one-year contract for the league minimum, will compete with Beno Udrih for the


http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/...en.705e1cd.html

[ducks]

please just keep to the point guard in this thread

[boutons_]

ducks get re-police

[MoSpur]

I like the Vaughn signing.

[Liquidrevolver]

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/basketball/nba/spurs/stories/MYSA071206.spurspointguard.en.705e1cd.html

The Spurs moved quickly when the NBA’s free-agent signing period began Wednesday, signing point guard Jacque Vaughn and extending offer sheets to centers Francisco Elson and Jackie Butler.

Elson and Butler are restricted free agents, so Denver and New York have seven days to match the offers. The Knicks have already indicated they want to keep Butler.

The Spurs extended offers to both Elson and Butler in part because they were unable to reach agreement with former second-round pick Robertas Javtokas. Javtokas is preparing to play in Greece, but the Spurs haven’t given up hope they will be able to resume negotiations with him, if needed.

[Budkin]

Vaughn?? Ugh it just goes from bad to worse... :madrun

[yavozerb]

JV is a good pick up..Not spectacular but can run the offense, play average D, and occasionally pick up easy baskets....Good pick up for the minimum!!

[Mr. Body]

Not bad. The rest of the day sux, ducks.

[Liquidrevolver]

Oops, already been posted.

[strangeweather]

Hmm. Not bad. Some defense, okay passing, some penetration, weak J.

That will work. :tu

[Walton Buys Off Me]

You've GOT to be kidding me....Jacque Vaughn?!

Giving Dallas the series by playing small ball was weird but clearly Pop has suffered brain damage now. Jacque Vaughn is probably the worst player in the NBA- next to Beno Udrih of course. I pray to God Tony Parker can play 40 minutes a night this year because you'd might as well have T Park backing him up with the two wastes of carbon we have here.

Jacque Vaughn...I can't believe that.

[Leetonidas]

Good singing. Should be much better than Van Exel.

[Mr. Body]

Any reason why he's not a Net? Were they trying to resign him?

[ace3g]

Javtokas is preparing to play in Greece, but the Spurs haven’t given up hope they will be able to resume negotiations with him, if needed.

sorry ducks just wanted to mention this, looks like maybe if either elson or butler or both dont work out they might still be able to get Javtokas to sign here

[dimsah]

Jacque Vaughn is a decent pickup for a backup point. Especially if it ends up being our 3rd point.

[davi78239]

what year is this guy?

[davi78239]

okay, I wonder how much money is left now.

[texasqb2]

I am confused, in this thread it says we still think we can resume negotiations with Robertas, the other thread said he signed elsewhere, which is it?

[Leetonidas]

He's 31 I think. Not bad I guess. He won't get a ton of minutes behind Tony. Solid pickup.

[angel_luv]

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/...en.705e1cd.html

The story is gone.


Why I wonder?

[MoSpur]

Vaughn isn't an All Star, but should be able to run the offense for those few minutes Parker is out in foul trouble.

[Leetonidas]

I am confused, in this thread it says we still think we can resume negotiations with Robertas, the other thread said he signed elsewhere, which is it?

I believe a player has a certain amonunt of time to back out or sign.

[cheguevara]

Good singing. Should be much better than Van Exel.

:lol that don't mean shit. My little 12 year old nephew is better than Van Exel

[dimsah]

This did come out of nowhere. Decent backup for vet minimum. I'll take it.
Now if we can just get Denver to match the offer to Elson.

[Budkin]

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/...en.705e1cd.html

The story is gone.


Why I wonder?

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/basketball/nba/spurs/stories/MYSA071206.spurspointguard.en.705e1cd.html

[LEONARD]

Who who and who?? :fro

[Leetonidas]

:lol that don't mean shit. My little 12 year old nephew is better than Van Exel
:rolleyes

[Mr. Body]

I am confused, in this thread it says we still think we can resume negotiations with Robertas, the other thread said he signed elsewhere, which is it?

They're trying to get Javtokas to wait to see if one of these players gets matched by their team. They're trying to make him happy with being their last-resort option.

[dimsah]

Who who and who?? :froWell, it's not as high profile as Greg Buckner, but we do what we can.

[Vinnie_Johnson]

Not bad guys what are the terms of his deal?

[Walton Buys Off Me]

The tanned little kid I just flushed down the toilet is better than Van Exel.....

Saying someone is better or more effective than the Nick Van Exel we saw last year is like saying Gregg Popovich is stupid- it'a pretty evident.

[Brutalis]

Uh I dunno about this.

[angel_luv]

Weird that the article is not all there...



It ends with...
Vaughn, who signed a one-year contract for the league minimum, will compete with Beno Udrih for the


I assume that means he and Beno will compete for the back up.

I am glad Beno is getting a chance to prove himself. That at least is good news.

[dimsah]

Not bad guys what are the terms of his deal?One year. Vet minimum

[1Parker1]

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/basketball/nba/spurs/stories/MYSA071206.spurspointguard.en.705e1cd.html

:lol Why does the story end in midsentence? At first I thought Ducks just posted it that way...

[baseline bum]

Vaughn could be a third point guard, but he's not exaclty Speedy Claxton or Marcus Banks. :(

Maybe he'll be better than Van Exel... at least, I hope.

[dbestpro]

Vaughn has the worse jump shot in the nba for a point guard and almost set a record for consecutive misses. He will provide you the same skill level as an injured Van Exel. I hope Pop starts to let Beno free and he can live up to his potential because this guy will make you wish Van Exel was around when he shoots. That is not a complement.

[picnroll]

This is the guy that backed up Kidd when NJ was desperately looking to find a decent backup for Kidd, right?

Well, unless he escaped from a wax museum he's better than Van Exel.

[cheguevara]

:lol Why does the story end in midsentence? At first I thought Ducks just posted it that way...





Cause the Spurs reporter shot himself before finishing it

[angel_luv]

:lol Why does the story end in midsentence? At first I thought Ducks just posted it that way...


Ludden had writer's block. :lol

[LEONARD]

Well, it's not as high profile as Greg Buckner, but we do what we can.

Maybe the Mavs could work a trade with the Spurs to send Buckner over for one of the Who's?? :drunk

[Solid D]

I'm pretty happy with this signing, depending on the specifics of the deal.

Vaughn is probably the best defensive PG available. He gets up into guys and he is strong with the ball so he shouldn't have a problem bringing the ball up and entering the offense.

Pargo would have been a better offensive guy but Vaughn is a much better floor leader.

[SPARKY]

To all who insisted that ownership wasn't fucking up this team.....

enjoy.

[jcrod]

Vaughn, your shitting me. This dude has the worst jump shoot. We need a PG with a J.

[strangeweather]

Vaughn is probably the best defensive PG available. He gets up into guys and he is strong with the ball so he shouldn't have a problem bringing the ball up and entering the offense.

Pargo would have been a better offensive guy but Vaughn is a much better floor leader.
They also probably shot their midlevel on Elson and Butler, and I doubt Pargo would have signed for the minimum.

[baseline bum]

So they're going to split the MLE or something? That's not going to get Butler here.

[strangeweather]

Vaughn, your shitting me. This dude has the worst jump shoot. We need a PG with a J.
Well, we do actually have a backup PG with a pretty good jumper. :lol

[jcrod]

Cause the Spurs reporter shot himself before finishing it


:lol

[Slomo]

:lol Why does the story end in midsentence? At first I thought Ducks just posted it that way...Ludden broke down in tears mid sentence. :spin

[MrChug]

Jacque was the point guard when Kansas was my favorite college team. Pros: he's a ROCKET on the break, good ball handler, good decisions. Cons: Horrible shooter reminiscent recently of Anthony Carter. He may fit in better, but who knows.

All in all...very good signing.

[jcrod]

Well, we do actually have a backup PG with a pretty good jumper. :lol


Yeah, but he turnover prone. So i was hoping for another one to compete with.

So do you go with the better shooter, turnover prone.

Or do you go with the better ball handler, but the defense will completely leave open.

Sucks.

[Spurminator]

Weird that the article is not all there...



It ends with...
Vaughn, who signed a one-year contract for the league minimum, will compete with Beno Udrih for the


I assume that means he and Beno will compete for the back up.



No, I think he meant the Senior Ball Boy position.

[picnroll]

btw if they sign Vaughn, Elson and Butler they have to dump a contract. So unless they do a 2 for 1 S&T they have to lose Williams and any ending contract trade.

[strangeweather]

btw if they sign Vaughn, Elson and Butler they have to dump a contract. So unless they do a 2 for 1 S&T they have to lose Williams and any ending contract trade.
How do you figure? Am I missing someone?

PG: Parker, Vaughn, Beno
SG: Ginobili, Finley, Barry
SF: Bowen, Williams
PF: Duncan, Bonner, Horry
C: Elson, Butler, Oberto

[ducks]

ludden wrote it in a hurry
he will update it later

[LEONARD]

LMAO...I love this place...

**suicide watch activated**

[Vinnie_Johnson]

One year. Vet minimum

Nothing wrong with that on a one year deal.

[angel_luv]

ludden wrote it in a hurry
he will update it later

Where was the fire? :lol Why not finish the sentence?

... for the back up point guard position.

Typed in less than 3o seconds. :angel

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I doubt they could have done much better than Vaughn for the backup.

I don't like that they're apparently splitting the MLE to offer both Elson and Butler.

I really want Jackie Butler, and I think Zeke will easily match say a 2.5 million offer. :/

[Bruno]

Vaughn for the min is a very good signing.
I'm fine with Udrih + Vaughn as backup PG.

[ducks]

btw if they sign Vaughn, Elson and Butler they have to dump a contract. So unless they do a 2 for 1 S&T they have to lose Williams and any ending contract trade.


if one matches they plan on talking to jav
so they still would have to do a trade


maybe spurs have a deal in place but have to wait to package william in it

[ducks]

hopefully they throw more at buttler then elson

[Mr. Body]

Hopefully they accidentally forget to send Elson the signing package.

[furry_spurry]

Vaughn as the 3rd PG is not a surprise. His name has been discussed in the past. All the Spurs were going to spend for a PG was the minimum and they needed a third guy. He is merely NVE's replacement. The Spurs were NEVER going to spend their money on a PG. NEVER.

[strangeweather]

I really want Jackie Butler, and I think Zeke will easily match say a 2.5 million offer. :/
Supposedly they've got him on a pretty short leash this year, so hopefully the Spurs have some decent inside info they're working from.

Elson with Vaughn and Butler isn't great, but it's palatable. Without Butler, it's wretched.

[Mr. Body]

Elson with Vaughn and Butler isn't great, but it's palatable. Without Butler, it's wretched.

Yeah. I'm half-certain we'll wind up with Elson and no Butler. Then I'll throw up all over again.

[FromWayDowntown]

I'm down with the Vaughn signing. I think it's a reaction to the fact that in the Dallas series, the Spurs were really in a bad spot defensively when Van Exel was on the floor (as was true for most of the season). If Vaughn stays within himself and just plays defense and runs the offense, he can be a productive piece and if he signed for the vet minimum, he's hardly an expensive risk. It also provides veteran insurance if either: (1) Parker suffers an injury; or (2) the Spurs find a suitor for Beno.

The restricted offer to Elson baffles me.

[Spurologist]

Is this the same guy that shot 0-23 to start a season.

Not a bad signing though. He's a veteran point guard that HANDLES the ball well, is agressive, good passer, and can a hit a shot if left open. It looks like he will back up Tony.

Here is how Beno and Vaughn break down

Handles - Vaughn
Shooting - Beno
Passing - Vaughn
Experience - Vaughn
Clutchiness - Vaughn
Defense - Vaughn
Quickness - SAME

Final Score 5-1 Vaughn.

At 30, I just hope he will come to SA rejuvenated and ready to play. He needs to put in some work with CHIPPY immediately.

[koopa]

lmao @ some of y'all, y'all acting like Vaughn is being brought in to be our savior. calm down he's only here to be the third pg, nothing more. quit acting like it's the end of the spurs as a championship contender.

damn i hope the nuggets match the offer, i hope the knicks don't match

[Spurologist]

Yeah. I'm half-certain we'll wind up with Elson and no Butler. Then I'll throw up all over again.

Your glass is half full, right? Getting Elson with no Butler would be an utter disaster.

[Mr. Body]

3rd PG?

I think some of us are afraid he'll be 2nd PG for no reason better than the madness in Pop's head.

[spur219]

Jacque Vaughn. That sucks. I hope Beno steps up his game.

[BigVee]

Vaughn is a good signing. He is a very good defender and although he can't shoot worth a shit, unlike NVE, he knows it. Nick was a turnstyle out there for Martin, Terry, Harris, et al.

[degenerate_gambler]

Vaughn's career numbers are are hardly worth noting...

608 games:

4.8 ppg
2.6 apg
1.4 rpg

His assist/to ratio is good.

A good, safe signing.

[ChumpDumper]

Good signing. Won't wet his pants bringing the ball up the court.

[IcemanCometh]

jesus fucking christ we just signed the worst point guard in the history of the fucking league

[violentkitten]

where are all the posts praising holt now?

[Buddy Holly]

jesus fucking christ we just signed the worst point guard in the history of the fucking league


Anthony Goldwire?

[leemajors]

where are all the posts praising holt now?

praise holt! happy?

[ShoogarBear]

Well, we do actually have a backup PG with a pretty good jumper. :lol
I believe you're onto something. If the Stem Cell bill passes, the Spurs plan to clone a new backup PG: Jaco Udrghn.

[Spurologist]

Anthony Goldwire?

hell no. He was decent. The dude was short as hell but he was quick and could get steals consistently. His jumper though was about 10 times as worse as Oberto's if that helps.

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[Amarelooms]

I hear Jason Terry and Devin Harris are shaking in their boots after this signing.....hopefully they will recover lol.

[boutons_]

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/jacque_vaughn/index.html

[Spurologist]

I hear Jason Terry and Devin Harris are shaking in their boots after this signing.....hopefully they will recover lol.

I thought they were still at their therapy/psychiatric recovery classes. Losing in the nba finals because of choking can get to you. Care to share an update on that to the spurs public

[IcemanCometh]

jacque vaughn couldn't shoot a baby

[Buddy Holly]

I hear Jason Terry and Devin Harris are shaking in their boots after this signing.....hopefully they will recover lol.

Yet Jacque Vaughn will have a title before those two.

[tempest186]

Is it official that they have signed the Spurs offer sheets or have the Spurs just offered? I am assuming that since the article says their respective teams have 7 days to match that they have signed but is this confirmed?

[Buddy Holly]

jacque vaughn couldn't shoot a baby

Why would he want to? Unless it were yours then yes he'd be on target with his shot.

[Buddy Holly]

They've offered. so far neither has signed.

[Mr. Body]

Suddenly Elson gets a cramp in his hand! The paper dissolves! He joins a nunnery!

Very exciting!

[Amarelooms]

Lol come on Spurs fans all in good fun. However, the Spurs and Mavs have done little in the offseason....which is disappointing. Mavs have been a bit more active....will be fun to see how these teams matchup when the season starts. By the looks of it so far I like the Mavs chances.....

[dbestpro]

The signing of Vaughn can only mean one thing. Beno will officially be the backup point guard while Vaughn holds his break a ways.

[Mr. Body]

The signing of Vaughn can only mean one thing. Beno will officially be the backup point guard while Vaughn holds his break a ways.

Or... Beno gets dumped for a 2nd rounder. Either way.

[NBA Junkie]

It's a decent pick up if he's only getting the vets minimum.

He's a much better defender than Van Exel. Doesn't turn the ball over much. Fg% is better, but isn't a mad bomber like Van Exel. However, he doesn't amass many assists for a PG and has no range on his shot from beyond 15 feet.

He's a servicable pick-up and won't hurt the team if he plays 10 minutes a game. I think the Spurs got a bargain here.

[Dre_7]

Or... Beno gets dumped for a 2nd rounder. Either way.

:lol you're hilarious!

[spur219]

Spurs aren't getting younger.

[CaptainLate]

He won't get a ton of minutes behind Tony. Solid pickup.

JV won't get any minutes if Beno stays healthy. Beno should have no problem winning the backup if JV is his only competition. Beno's been w/the team for two years. JV isn't going to come in and pick up the synergy with the other players than Beno already has developed.

[CaptainLate]

Jacque was the point guard when Kansas was my favorite college team. Pros: he's a ROCKET on the break...

Problem is, Pop doesn't play up tempo. Still playing the "dump it into Tim" ball. Pop reminds me of Tom Landry. Other teams strategy caught up to him one day but old Tom was asleep...kept using the same old offense and defense. Basically, he hung around too long after the magic had gone. :depressed

Even then it went badly whe JJones fired him. But all was soon forgotten with 3 Titles in 4 yrs :elephant Would have been more if egos and pride hadn't gotten in the way.

[angel_luv]

I think if given a real chance, Beno will be an awesome back up point guard for us. I have confidence in him.

[ducks]

this guy shots like aj

[50 cent]

:depressed

[infinite styles]

Problem is, Pop doesn't play up tempo. Still playing the "dump it into Tim" ball. Pop reminds me of Tom Landry. Other teams strategy caught up to him one day but old Tom was asleep...kept using the same old offense and defense. Basically, he hung around too long after the magic had gone. :depressed

Even then it went badly whe JJones fired him. But all was soon forgotten with 3 Titles in 4 yrs :elephant Would have been more if egos and pride hadn't gotten in the way.

Spurs like to play uptempo but last year they just couldn't get defensive rebounds causing the guards to stay longer then needed instead of getting out on the break. Non of that has to do with Pop unless you consider him responsible for trusting his bigs to get a rebound every now and then.

[Kori Ellis]

Spurs sign point guard Jacque Vaughn, extend offers to centers Elson and Butler
Spurs sign point guard Jacque Vaughn, extend offers to centers Elson and Butler

Web Posted: 07/12/2006 03:08 PM CDT
By Johnny Ludden
Express-News Staff Writer

The Spurs moved quickly when the NBA’s free-agent signing period began Wednesday, signing point guard Jacque Vaughn and extending offer sheets to centers Francisco Elson and Jackie Butler.

Elson and Butler are restricted free agents, so Denver and New York have seven days to match the offers. The Knicks have already indicated they want to keep Butler.

The Spurs extended offers to both Elson and Butler in part because they were unable to reach agreement with former second-round pick Robertas Javtokas. Javtokas is preparing to play in Greece, but the Spurs haven’t given up hope they will be able to resume negotiations with him, if needed.

Vaughn, who signed a one-year contract for the league minimum, will compete with Beno Udrih for the


http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/...en.705e1cd.html



Javtokas' agent Herb Rudoy told News 4 WOAI that the Spurs made offers to New York's Jackie Butler and Denver's Francisco Elson.

Javtokas immediately signed a deal to play with Panathinaikos Greece in the European League. Rudoy told News 4 that Javtokas was "surprised" at the Spurs decision, but that he got a great contract from Panathinaikos.


Seems these are worded a little differently.

[ducks]

is the one from the agent still on the internet?

[ducks]

spurs might have told them to pull that one to cover their asses

[Kori Ellis]

spurs might have told them to pull that one to cover their asses
http://www.woai.com/spurs/story.aspx?content_id=93079F71-137D-4BD6-9733-F28C99B4B25E

[ducks]

yeah I see
who is telling the truth...........

[timvp]

Vaughn is a good signing. I don't know what Spurs fans expect for the minimum.

I liked Pargo better, but Vaughn was in my top 5.

[dbestpro]

You have a very low top 5.

[Spurs9]

Why the hell would they dump Javtokas for Francisco Elson and Jackie Butler??? I don't get that shit.

[Beer is Good]

Vaughn is a fine signing for a 3rd. To me the question is back-up. Is it going to be Beno? If so, has he been showing the kind of improvement in ball handling to handle pressure? Vaughn will be good for 7 mintues or less, but if Beno is the backup he's gonna have a huge role. Hope he's up for it.

[IcemanCometh]

i'd rather have nothing than have this piece of shit wasting space on the bench with the possibility of coming in ruining a game

[dbestpro]

i'd rather have nothing than have this piece of shit wasting space on the bench with the possibility of coming in ruining a game

Amen.

[Bob Lanier]

Could have done worse. :tu

[timvp]

You have a very low top 5.

:lol

Spurs fans are classic. Who else are you going to get with a minimum contract? Maybe Pargo but he probably gets more. Who else?

There's no veteran PG on the market. Hell, there's no young PG on the market.

Vaughn, yeah he's pretty bad but he's as good as you are going to get for the minimum.

Plus he can do the things Beno can't always do ... namely dribble the ball up the court and initiate the offense.

[bigdog]

actually this is a good signing by SA. obviously the spurs see something in him, and are confident he can fill the backup PG role. he IS BETTER then GAY-NO udrih, and should do a decent job. i think the spurs still have some tricks up their sleeves and will get another PG,possible in exchange for beno,because i dont see beno staying here.

[violentkitten]

i don't have a big problem with vaughn but right now he's the biggest pickup in free agency this summer. that's with the lle and mle at their disposal. maybe they'll be able to pick up some young talent like butler and a swing but right now it's a bit underwhelming, especially in light of them getting rid of the two contracts the spurs griped about the most.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

i'd rather have nothing than have this piece of shit wasting space on the bench with the possibility of coming in ruining a game


dude NVE ruined the game every fucking time we played his ass, the entire fucking season, and every game he appeared in the playoffs.

He made a decent % of threes, but he was like a tin man out there on d, and he just blatantly blatantly sucked ass

[jcrod]

Plus he can do the things Beno can't always do ... namely dribble the ball up the court and initiate the offense.


And then CLANK!!

[timvp]

And then CLANK!!

Who would you get for a minimum contract?

[CavsFan89]

This makes your team alot better :lol :lol :lol

[Beer is Good]

actually this is a good signing by SA. obviously the spurs see something in him, and are confident he can fill the backup PG role. he IS BETTER then GAY-NO udrih, and should do a decent job. i think the spurs still have some tricks up their sleeves and will get another PG,possible in exchange for beno,because i dont see beno staying here.
I hope so, because if Vaughn is the backup the back court will be a BIG achilles heel next year. I guess if they keep Barry he can play some backup PG. :lol

[Winnipeg_Spur]

Thisi helped your team alot :lol :lol
Well we can't all be blessed with great point guard depth like the Cavs...

[timvp]

Vaughn is the third point guard. This job is Beno's to lose. Bringing in veteran with no upside who will be there in case of emergencies was the right way to go if the Spurs want Beno to try to win the spot.

[CavsFan89]

Well we can't all be blessed with great point guard depth like the Cavs...
We'll trade you Damon Jones for a 6 pack.....

[Bruno]

Vaughn is the third point guard. This job is Beno's to lose. Bringing in veteran with no upside who will be there in case of emergencies was the right way to go if the Spurs want Beno to try to win the spot.

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1008210&postcount=58

[jcrod]

Who would you get for a minimum contract?


For the Mim, don't know who would take it. Eisley might take the mim, maybe Delk, you already mentioned Pargo.


I don't know the complete list.

[strangeweather]

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1008210&postcount=58
Very nice. :tu

[timvp]

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1008210&postcount=58

Yeah, good call.

It's pretty obvious what the Spurs are doing. If you want Beno to succeed, you can't bring in another young point to back him up. You need a guy who can come in cold and handle being a point guard if Beno stumbles on a big stage again.

Vaughn was the player that fit that mold the best. I wish there were better PG's out there but I looked thru the lists and unless you wanted to use your LLE on Pargo, Vaughn's scrubbish azz was about as good as you are going to get.

[Bruno]

I'm not a big Pargo fan, he is too much "out of control".
My favourite was Palacio because he can play SG and he is a goot shooter.
Vaughn was second on my list.

[T Park]

Jacque Vaughn is a solid point.

He can play D, run the offense well, and knock down the outside jumper.

Good cheap signing.


Hopefully Butler and Javtokas are signed, and call it a summer :tu

[violentkitten]

Jacque Vaughn is a solid point.

He can play D, run the offense well, and knock down the outside jumper.

Good cheap signing.


Hopefully Butler and Javtokas are signed, and call it a summer :tu

tpark says what?

[Obstructed_View]

Beno > Vaughn.

[timvp]

Beno > Vaughn.

That's the plan.

[ShoogarBear]

Beno > Vaughn.
If not, goodbye Beno.

[Obstructed_View]

That's the plan.
Say whua? Why would they even bother? Since teams are scrambling to make it clear that they AREN'T interested in Beno he has no value. Since Jav is gone Scola's value just went into the toilet. Unless Pop has some plan to slide everyone over one position and go super small this makes no sense to me.

[ChumpDumper]

All Beno has to do be a solid backup is to not drop his purse coming up the court.

It's significant, but not impossible to overcome.

[Obstructed_View]

All Beno has to do be a solid backup is to not drop his purse coming up the court.

It's significant, but not impossible to overcome.
Except the coach doesn't seem to like him. I don't think he can succeed on this team.

[Ocotillo]

I am ok with this signing. I just hope it doesn't turn into Charlie Ward redux.

[ChumpDumper]

Except the coach doesn't seem to like him. I don't think he can succeed on this team.He liked him enough to only sign Jacque Vaughn as his competition for backup point.

[Doc Jerome]

Point guard is a weak spot for the Spurs.

[SequNets]

Jacque Vaughn was awesome in college, but now he basically sucks.

The Spurs are doing great!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[timvp]

Jacque Vaughn was awesome in college, but now he basically sucks.

The Spurs are doing great!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Don't hate just cuz the Spurs jacked a player from your Nets.

[Mr. Body]

Don't hate just cuz the Spurs jacked a player from your Nets.

I hope you're not saying the Nets wanted to keep Vaughn.

[timvp]

I hope you're not saying the Nets wanted to keep Vaughn.

Joke.

[mavsfan1000]

The real question is how are the mavs going to stop Jacque Vaughn? :lol

[milkyway21]

please just keep to the point guard in this thread:lol

at least we're goin' somewhere :bike:

i like Jacque Vaughn:tu IMO, he's a tough PG.

[spurster]

Vaughn is 3rd or 4th backup PG depending on whether you count Brent. You're not going to get much offense out of Vaughn. He ranked 406th out of 458 players in efficiency/minute last year.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Except the coach doesn't seem to like him. I don't think he can succeed on this team.

Maybe if he didn't turn the ball over every time someone got up on him defensively, he wouldn't be in the doghouse.

[Extra Stout]

Point guard is a weak spot for the Spurs.
Other than point guard, small forward, power forward, and center, the Spurs are just fine with their depth.

[sribb43]

Jacque Vaughn is a solid point.

He can play D, run the offense well, and knock down the outside jumper.
Good cheap signing.


Hopefully Butler and Javtokas are signed, and call it a summer :tu

This is a joke right, Jacque Vaughn is gotta be on of the worst shooters in the league. Teams dont even guard him, they sag off of him and will let him shoot all day

[thekingrobert]

vaugh has one of the worst jumpers in the world makes bowen look like wilt

[thekingrobert]

just like they did carter they'll cut vaughn

[Das Texan]

vaughn is a good cheap option for that third point guard.


takes care of one of the offseason goals.

[baseline bum]

I guess he won't give up 3 or 4 and-1s in like 5 minutes like Van Exel did in game 3 or 4 against Dallas one time. Van Exel guarding Devin Harris was painful to watch.

[Pistons < Spurs]

This was a solid pickup for the Spurs.

I believe expectations were a little too high by many fans regarding a PG signing. Too many people were looking for a homerun when all you really need is a base hit. The Spurs did not need or want a Speedy Claxton ... unless someone like that fell in their lap. This is Beno's 3rd year, and this is his time. His chance is here and now.

I was actually dissapointed that Beno only got 10 minutes per last year. I realize that a 'name' like NVE perhaps garners the larger piece of the pie, but I'm all for developing the youth ... the future. NVE was signed for the playoffs. Nothing more nothing less. And he didn't do a whole lot in that regard IMO. Beno will hopefully be around for years. Give him the chance.

In the little that I've seen from Beno, I've been somewhat impressed. I think he can be a pretty good player. Is he a star? hell no. but as a backup, I think he's a nice piece.

Vaughn is a gritty defender. I envision him filling a role somewhat like Lindsey Hunter for the Pistons. He'll come in and harras the opposition ... though he doesn't have the knack of getting as many steals, he does a good job of applying pressure. Look for the Spurs to employ more backcourt traps with him in the game. He's also good at running the offense. He'll do a better job of actually creating shots for others w/ timely passes. I look forward to seein him on the floor w/ Manu and TD. TP doesn't do a terrifice job of really creating for others. POP tells him to shoot and penetrate. Meanwhile Manu looks on with disbelief that the ball isn't passed to him when he beats his man or has a great matchup. This is where a guy like Vaughn comes in.

He isn't a shooter. Never has been, never will be. But he is a pretty good free throw shooter.

I like his passing ability. He makes good passes ... but more importantly, he doesn't make that many bad passes. In that regard, he may be better than Parker, Beno and NVE. He's a smart player that doesn't try to do too much with the ball. There's a fine line between being aggressive, and forcing things. He's found the balance. He will not be like NVE was this year making a lot of stupid mistakes. He will not be a high turnover guy.

And something else that I didn't see anyone else mention, is his mentoring and leadership role in helping Beno develop. He's a guy who's had to scrap and fight for his job in the League. He has a great respect for the dedication and focus needed to stay on a team and in the L. Something that I don't think NVE could teach him.

So far Beno has looked up to Parker, who while being a good player, may not be the ideal candidate to mentor a new player who happens to be the same age. NVE has always been one of the top options in his respective teams. Beno will never be that. Vaughn's career and experiences parallel Benos much better.

And that sorta ties into something else. Confidence. How happy do you think Beno was last year when he saw the team sign NVE? He knew he would be regulated to nothing more than 'Darko' minutes. That had to hurt him a little bit. Especially in light of his solid play in the playoffs the previous year. If memory serves me, he was playing rather well until the finals. Perhaps I'm mistaken, and I'm sure you all know better than I. But I thought he did good in the other series.

Right now, PoP is telling Beno that he is the #2 man. That they are going to need and depend on him. That wasn't really the case last year with NVE in the mix. I think he'll come in and be ready to contribute.

This is exactly what the Spurs needed. Someone who can bring 5-15 minutes a night. His defense is very good. While not flashy, he can handle the rock well. He has above average quickness and isn't prone to alot of mental mistakes.

And the best part is that it didn't cost but the vet minimum.

[nobodi_home]

Vaughn? Ridiculous. Who's place is he taking? Are they getting rid of Beno to make room for this Vaughn?

I tend to agree with another poster I saw today that said SAS is heading down a very dark path this year.

Championship in June 2007??? Yea, if the Sun comes up in the West and sets in the North, I'll agree with you.

I think there is a distinct possibility SAS won't even make the playoffs at the rate they're going right now.

But in the end, what with the war stuff, financial collapse looming, who the heck cares about this stuff?????? Who cares about these basketball dicks? Who really cares which of these teams do anything, anything at all.

[ChumpDumper]

What is with people on july 12?

[timvp]

Vaughn being a good defender is key, especially against the Mavs. You might even see some Vaughn/Parker lineups if the Mavs keep going with Terry and Harris.

[reydawg]

Jacque Vaughn

Clearly Parker begged Pop for a French running mate.

[ShoogarBear]

vaugh has one of the worst jumpers in the world makes bowen look like wilt:lol I know what you're trying to say, but boy, wrong example!

[ShoogarBear]

And people asking why Beno didn't get playoff PT must have been off taking a whiz when he was bringing the ball up under any kind of pressure.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Thinking about it, I like Vaughn.

Now we have a backup PG who can shoot the lights out and another to play tough D who won't turn the ball over - versatility for the vet min.

Makes sense to me.

[clubalien]

... for the starting center position.

Maybe that is what he as going to put if we don't get butler

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Vaughn? Ridiculous. Who's place is he taking? Are they getting rid of Beno to make room for this Vaughn?

I tend to agree with another poster I saw today that said SAS is heading down a very dark path this year.

Championship in June 2007??? Yea, if the Sun comes up in the West and sets in the North, I'll agree with you.

I think there is a distinct possibility SAS won't even make the playoffs at the rate they're going right now.

But in the end, what with the war stuff, financial collapse looming, who the heck cares about this stuff?????? Who cares about these basketball dicks? Who really cares which of these teams do anything, anything at all.

Oh, and in response to this can I just say...

:madrun :madrun :madrun :madrun :madrun :madrun :madrun :lol

Idiot. Who did you expect to be our 3rd PG??? Claxton? Banks? :lol :lol :lol

[wolf754life]

Tommorow I am going to wake up and this will all be a bad dream! A REALLY REALLY BAD DREAM, THE WORST!!!!

[MI21]

Vaughn is fine.

I like his defense because he is rather stocky and strong, doesn't get bullied.

Not bad for the minimum.

[mattyc]

Coulda been worse.

He can guard and can bring the rock up. Good on the cheap.

[Bruno]

Point guard is a weak spot for the Spurs.


Strongly disagree, PG is a strong spot for Spurs. We have :

- Tony Parker, an 24 years old all star who is a top5 PG in the league, who can play 34mpg for 80 games/season.

- Beno Udrih who is a very talented PG. Don't forget his rookie year, this guy has the upside to be a starting PG. He is still a question mark concerning certains points like his confidence and his ballhandling.

- Jacque Vaughn who is a solid vet PG. He isn't a talented player but he has a lot of experience and he is not that old. He was good enough to be the main backup for a playoff team last year. He is the perfect emergency guy if Beno struggles because his main qualities (ballhandling and defense) are Beno's main weaknesses.

[GhostofAlfrederickHughes]

I think there is a distinct possibility SAS won't even make the playoffs at the rate they're going right now.

Riiight. From a franchise record # of wins, to suddenly not making the playoffs because they lost Rasho and Nazr Mohammed. Pass that doobie over here.

[ShoogarBear]

Signing Vaughn is not the problem. If Javtokas or Pryzbilla or Zo were coming, everyone would be talking about what a great pickup this was.

[GrandeDavid]

I thought they were still at their therapy/psychiatric recovery classes. Losing in the nba finals because of choking can get to you. Care to share an update on that to the spurs public

:lmao

That´ll shut this fool up if he has any sense of well-being and self-respect. 3 rings. 4th on its way. Your team gots NONE and will NOT get lucky again against the Spurs next year. Ya lost...in UGLY fashion in the freaking Finals!

[Obstructed_View]

He liked him enough to only sign Jacque Vaughn as his competition for backup point.
I'd say "good point", except what were the alternatives?



Maybe if he didn't turn the ball over every time someone got up on him defensively, he wouldn't be in the doghouse.
Except he doesn't. Typically, people cite three games as examples of why he sucks so bad, but he's played in a hell of a lot more than three games. Pop went through Manu's turnovers and Parker's bad decisions when they were young players and he showed some confidence in them by putting them back in the game. He hasn't done that with Beno.

[awmyplace]

Tommorow I am going to wake up and this will all be a bad dream! A REALLY REALLY BAD DREAM, THE WORST!!!!

:lol

[ChumpDumper]

I'd say "good point", except what were the alternatives?What, you want a list? The alternatives were signing a vet who was clearly superior to Beno or a young player who had the potential to really compete for the backup spot.
Except he doesn't. Typically, people cite three games as examples of why he sucks so bad, but he's played in a hell of a lot more than three games. Pop went through Manu's turnovers and Parker's bad decisions when they were young players and he showed some confidence in them by putting them back in the game. He hasn't done that with Beno.I was surprised more teams didn't lock in on the fact that Beno drops his purse under pressure like they did with Jason Hart when he played here. When teams did however, the result was pretty damning for Beno. There is no doubt he would've seen much more pressing in the playoffs and Pop decided he didn't need to go through that again.

[dbestpro]

"The San Antonio Spurs quickly grabbed free agent Jacque Vaughn with a veteran's minimum contract of $1.07 million, a cost-effective move to fill their third-string point guard position. And by midafternoon, the Spurs also signed Knicks third-string center Jackie Butler -- a restricted free agent -- to a surprisingly large offer sheet valued at three years and $7 million, which will be hard for even the Knicks to match, since they're paying $13.5 million to their other two centers next season alone." Newark Star-Ledger

He is what he is. A third string point guard which indicates Beno is going to get primo minutes as the backup point. They will let it run its course at least to the end of the year and reevaluate if needed for the playoff run.

[Mr. Body]

Interesting that the Newark Star-Ledger doesn't see the Knicks matching.

[Mr. Body]

A big part of our success in the 2005 regular season was the Devin Brown/Beno Udrih duo. In the middle of the season, they were ripping up opposing benches. For a while we were on pace to set some record for most 10+ blowout victories, and their effective assault was part of it.

[Obstructed_View]

What, you want a list? The alternatives were signing a vet who was clearly superior to Beno or a young player who had the potential to really compete for the backup spot.
My point was that there aren't really players available who fit that description, so it's not clearly choice over necessity that drove the decision.

[ChumpDumper]

So you do want a list.

Marcus Banks
Tony Delk
Chucky Atkins

Those are the vets. As for the young guys -- look around. They're out there. You don't have to go much farther than summer league.

[Obstructed_View]

So you do want a list.

Marcus Banks
Tony Delk
Chucky Atkins

Those are the vets. As for the young guys -- look around. They're out there. You don't have to go much farther than summer league.
"Clearly superior"?
:lol :lol :lol

[ChumpDumper]

To Beno?

Sure.

[T Park]

Vaughn did a good job in backing Kidd up last year, and played well off the bench.

A good pusher for Beno to try and pull his dumb head out of his scared ass.

[Obstructed_View]

Okay. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, then. My point still stands, but I hope you're right.

[ChumpDumper]

I hope Beno doesn't drop his purse.

[Obstructed_View]

A good pusher for Beno to try and pull his dumb head out of his scared ass.
And hopefully some competition will improve both of them.


I hope Beno doesn't drop his purse.
He needs to take advantage of his opportunities, becuase they could dry up quick.

[Bandwagon Bill]

bump - let's see who was on the JV bandwagon before the season. As usual, Walton buys me off was a dumbass while Solid D had a pretty accurate take.

[SpursFanInAustin]

I hear Jason Terry and Devin Harris are shaking in their boots after this signing.....hopefully they will recover lol.

I think they will be now :fro :cooldevil

[ggoose25]

Vaughn being a good defender is key, especially against the Mavs. You might even see some Vaughn/Parker lineups if the Mavs keep going with Terry and Harris.

nostrafreakingdamus :clap

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Is this July of 2006?


Did I go back in time?


Why bump a bunch of old threads?