Francisco Elson: Will the Nuggets Match? [Archive] - Page 2

Jekka

07-19-2006, 04:15 AM

ELSON WAITS: The agent for restricted free agent center Francisco Elson said he plans to talk with Warkentien today about the future of his client.

Calvin Andrews, who also represents Anthony, is hoping to learn more about whether the Nuggets intend to match a two-year, $6 million offer sheet Elson received from San Antonio.

It is doubtful Andrews or Elson will learn much.

Warkentien reiterated Tuesday a decision about Elson likely will come at the "11th hour." The Nuggets have until Thursday to decide whether to retain Elson or let him sign with the Spurs.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nba/article/0,2777,DRMN_23922_4854313,00.html

NuGGeTs-FaN

07-19-2006, 04:23 AM

Let Frankie go! Let him get his wish and get more minutes in San Antonio! :smokin

Please_dont_ban_me

07-19-2006, 04:55 AM

One more day...dum dum DUMMMMMM.

Please_dont_ban_me

07-19-2006, 04:56 AM

If Denver matches that offer, it'll be an early Christmas present. Then they can use that $3M and go out and get a real NBA player.

Like?

Please_dont_ban_me

07-19-2006, 04:56 AM

Sometimes I feel like Timvp just says stuff to get people worked up and post more.

timvp

07-19-2006, 07:29 AM

Like?

Like just about anybody not named Francisco Elson.

timvp

07-19-2006, 07:30 AM

Sometimes I feel like Timvp just says stuff to get people worked up and post more.

Yeah I was about to start a thread about RC and Pop being gay ... but you beat me to it.

:jack

Please_dont_ban_me

07-19-2006, 08:24 AM

Yeah I was about to start a thread about RC and Pop being gay ... but you beat me to it.

:jack

You're hilarious sometimes, Timvp.

:jack

Please_dont_ban_me

07-19-2006, 08:25 AM

Like just about anybody not named Francisco Elson.

:lol

Good strategy, guy.

Maybe we can bring Will Perdue out of retirement.

furry_spurry

07-19-2006, 10:36 AM

I don't really see that no contact with the agent means they won't match- that was Tuesday and they have until Thursday. I just have this notion that a team might match just so the Spurs don't get who they want.

mabber

07-19-2006, 10:40 AM

spurschick

07-20-2006, 01:11 PM

DENVER — Nuggets power forward Nene signed a six-year, $60 million contract Thursday, joining Carmelo Anthony in deciding Denver was the place to pursue their championship dreams.

The Nuggets called an afternoon news conference with Nene, coach George Karl and director of player personnel Mark Warkentien to discuss the deal, which was agreed to earlier this month while Nene was on his honeymoon in his native Brazil.

bigdog

07-20-2006, 01:13 PM

spurschick

07-20-2006, 01:15 PM

this really has nothing to do with francisco elson

:rolleyes

MoSpur

07-20-2006, 01:17 PM

this really has nothing to do with francisco elson

Technically, no. However, they may include something on Elson. May is the key word. Why not kill two birds with one stone?

spurschick

07-20-2006, 01:34 PM

And since a lot of people are on pins and needles about what the Nuggets are doing today, I thought it might bring some interest.

MoSpur

07-20-2006, 01:53 PM

And since a lot of people are on pins and needles about what the Nuggets are doing today, I thought it might bring some interest.

I for one, appreciate the update Spurschick. They may announce something about Elson too at that press conference.

Mr. Body

07-20-2006, 01:56 PM

It suggests there isn't a K-Mart trade going down today, meaning that's still in limbo. Slightly more suggestion Martin is still a Nugget next year, but Elson is not.

mabber

07-20-2006, 01:57 PM

And since a lot of people are on pins and needles about what the Nuggets are doing today, I thought it might bring some interest.

Wow, you can tell it's been a slow offseason thus far when people are excited about possibly getting Elson :lol

Kori Ellis

07-20-2006, 02:00 PM

Wow, you can tell it's been a slow offseason thus far when people are excited about possibly getting Elson :lol

Actually most people are excited about NOT getting him and praying that the Nuggets match.

NorCal510

07-20-2006, 02:02 PM

Actually most people are excited about NOT getting him and praying that the Nuggets match.
What do u want happening? And then what happens afttttttttttter that?

mabber

07-20-2006, 02:07 PM

Actually most people are excited about NOT getting him and praying that the Nuggets match.

Well then that makes much more sense.

Kori Ellis

07-20-2006, 02:09 PM

What do u want happening? And then what happens afttttttttttter that?

I hope the Nuggets match. Then the Spurs should just spend the rest of the MLE on the best man available, whether it's a center or an athletic forward.

Supergirl

07-20-2006, 02:12 PM

I hope the Nuggets match. Then the Spurs should just spend the rest of the MLE on the best man available, whether it's a center or an athletic forward.

Except that it sounds like the SPurs were anticipating Elson starting, and bringing Bonner and Butler off the bench, while the adjust to the SPurs' system.

If Elson is matched, who would you start? Bonner or Butler?

degenerate_gambler

07-20-2006, 02:12 PM

I hope the Nuggets match. Then the Spurs should just spend the rest of the MLE on the best man available, whether it's a center or an athletic forward.

You should go take a nap.

Something always seems to happen ya'll do and in this case hopefully your scenario wins out.

Kori Ellis

07-20-2006, 02:15 PM

Except that it sounds like the SPurs were anticipating Elson starting, and bringing Bonner and Butler off the bench, while the adjust to the SPurs' system.

If Elson is matched, who would you start? Bonner or Butler?

Probably neither. I'd want to start whoever they get with the rest of the MLE until Butler gets acclimated. And then Butler later in the season.

Kori Ellis

07-20-2006, 02:15 PM

You should go take a nap.

Something always seems to happen ya'll do and in this case hopefully your scenario wins out.

Hey, I was just thinking of taking a nap. I only slept 2 hours.

degenerate_gambler

07-20-2006, 02:18 PM

Hey, I was just thinking of taking a nap. I only slept 2 hours.

Well there ya go.. :spin

CubanMustGo

07-20-2006, 02:23 PM

Actually most people are excited about NOT getting him and praying that the Nuggets match.

Since my vBookie bet was "Nuggs match, Knicks don't" we are probably stuck with Elson. :depressed

Solid D

07-20-2006, 02:30 PM

I'll go ahead and say this now, in case the Nuggets don't decide to match.

Although I'm not a big Elson fan, and I'd prefer to see the Spurs sign someone else... the Spurs don't have a 7-footer. A 7-footer comes in handy when going up against some of the bigger centers like Yao, Shaq, Ilgauskas, etc.

The Spurs had a 7-footer with similar stats and attributes on the 2002-03 championship team. Kevin Willis.

He didn't block shots but he played decent, physical D and set screens. He was fast and could run the floor. Kevin contributed 4.2 ppg and 3.2 rpg that season averaging 11 mpg.

Elson has offered similar things to Denver the past 3 seasons. He's a legitimate 7-footer, a fast Big who runs the floor well, he isn't afraid to get physical, and 4.1 ppg and 3.1 rpg in a few more mpg (17).

timvp

07-20-2006, 02:41 PM

Although I'm not a big Elson fan, and I'd prefer to see the Spurs sign someone else

That's what I'm talking about, right there.

:smokin

T Park

07-20-2006, 02:41 PM

That was next to Duncan too.

Duncan makes guys better, and who knows, Elson could and might play alot better next Duncan.

I think though, Denver matches.

If they do, Id go after Evans HARD.

The market is running short on bigs.

T Park

07-20-2006, 02:42 PM

Miss the rest of the post? :lol

timvp

07-20-2006, 02:43 PM

Spurminator

07-20-2006, 02:44 PM

If Elson gets matched I have a feeling the Spurs would pursue another Center type. Any dreams of Ariza, Jones or Woods seem fruitless, but hopefully I'm wrong.

Spurminator

07-20-2006, 02:45 PM

Name the last big who put up better numbers next to Duncan than away from him.

Oops.

David Robinson hasn't done shit since he left the team. :fro

T Park

07-20-2006, 02:50 PM

Name the last big who put up better numbers next to Duncan than away from him.

Malik Rose

SpursWoman

07-20-2006, 02:57 PM

Since my vBookie bet was "Nuggs match, Knicks don't" we are probably stuck with Elson. :depressed

I'm even-ing you out, then. My whole, whopping $25 was put on neither matching. That should be some decent consolation. :spin

timvp

07-20-2006, 03:05 PM

Malik Rose

:rolleyes

How about a player who was still in their prime before or after joining the Spurs?

furry_spurry

07-20-2006, 03:09 PM

It is not realistic to plan on a big man's stats going up alongside Tim.

timvp

07-20-2006, 03:15 PM

T Park

07-20-2006, 03:38 PM

How about a player who was still in their prime before or after joining the Spurs?

You said big man.

I gave you one.

JUUOT

07-20-2006, 03:44 PM

i was looking back at the lisst of BIGS availaible and timvp evaluations. and i like voskuhl profile. Anyone else think he would be ok as a possible solution if elson is matched?

spurschick

07-20-2006, 03:50 PM

i was looking back at the lisst of BIGS availaible and timvp evaluations. and i like voskuhl profile. Anyone else think he would be ok as a possible solution if elson is matched?

:vomit:

JUUOT

07-20-2006, 03:53 PM

:vomit:

not that i am a big fan of his but out of what is still available other then by trades...

ace3g

07-20-2006, 04:17 PM

I think the spurs should go after Melvin Ely, because the bobcats just signed Othella Harrington another bigman so they probably wont have room for Ely with May, Okafor, Harrington, etc

spur219

07-20-2006, 04:21 PM

Ely would be a good choice.

ace3g

07-20-2006, 04:22 PM

plus he is 2 years younger than Elson

strangeweather

07-20-2006, 04:30 PM

Getting Ely would be spooky. Butler and Ely were TimVP's top two guys on the post-Przybilla list of bigmen.

Still, spooky or not :tu

texasqb2

07-20-2006, 04:36 PM

Name the last big who put up better numbers next to Duncan than away from him.

Oops.

No, but you can name numerous outside players

texasqb2

07-20-2006, 04:39 PM

No, but you can name numerous outside players

I'll throw this name out though........Malik Rose

ducks

07-20-2006, 04:40 PM

rose who?

furry_spurry

07-20-2006, 04:49 PM

I assume if Denver does nothing, it means he's a Spur. It's almost 6:00 PM in New York where the NBA offices are.

timvp

07-20-2006, 04:50 PM

Rose played in San Antonio during his prime. You can't tell what he would have done outside of San Antonio.

Every bigman who has come in has played worse next to Tim Duncan.

That's why getting a rebounding specialist like Reggie Evans makes the most sense, rather than expecting someone to come in and play an all-around game.

furry_spurry

07-20-2006, 04:55 PM

No, but you can name numerous outside players
Not actually true- if you check FG%.

Spurs who had a worse FG% their first year here than their previous year elsewhere:
Steve Kerr
Michael Finley
Brent Barry
Hedo Turkoglu
Stephen Jackson

strangeweather

07-20-2006, 04:57 PM

Rose played in San Antonio during his prime. You can't tell what he would have done outside of San Antonio.
He was 28 or 29 when he left, right? Most players aren't washed up at that age.

edit: if my math is right, he had just turned 30 a couple of months before. Even still -- 30 and 2 months usually isn't the end of anyone's career.

furry_spurry

07-20-2006, 05:07 PM

Every bigman who has come in has played worse next to Tim Duncan.

That's why getting a rebounding specialist like Reggie Evans makes the most sense, rather than expecting someone to come in and play an all-around game.
You and I DEFINITELY agree on this notion. The Spurs have a very limited and specific role that they want the big man to fill. Rasho did not fit into that particular role- no matter how much he was willing to accept it and no matter how hard he tried. Besides his BB IQ and his ability to play position defense, he did not utilize his all-around game in this system. The Spurs are better off with a "garbage man" who rebounds and gets easy baskets inside. Nazr possibly could have filled that role, but I don't think he was willing to accept it. The Spurs are better served by a specialist who actually fits that role and will accept it rather than getting an all-around player and trying once again to shove that square peg into the round hole.

diego

07-20-2006, 05:10 PM

well how many are there to choose from? starting wise all you have is robinson, rasho, and mohammed. If you want to add bench players than you have rose (who i wouldnt consider a center anyway), willis, massenburg, oberto. Am i missing someone? you can make excuses or arguments for all of them.

I agree though that duncan takes care of the offensive end, we just need a defensive presence with good rebounding. Evans will get you those boards, but i dont know if hes smart enough to be a defensive presence (Nazr part II?)

furry_spurry

07-20-2006, 05:13 PM

Rasho's defense with Nazr's rebounding... Can it be found??

picnroll

07-20-2006, 05:20 PM

Apart from Duncan Butler probably is or will become the most gifted low post player the Spurs have had since forever. It will be interesting to see how he and Duncan play together. At worst he will give the Spurs the best post scoring option when Duncan is taking his break that the Spurs have had.

timvp

07-20-2006, 05:34 PM

You and I DEFINITELY agree on this notion. The Spurs have a very limited and specific role that they want the big man to fill. Rasho did not fit into that particular role- no matter how much he was willing to accept it and no matter how hard he tried. Besides his BB IQ and his ability to play position defense, he did not utilize his all-around game in this system. The Spurs are better off with a "garbage man" who rebounds and gets easy baskets inside. Nazr possibly could have filled that role, but I don't think he was willing to accept it. The Spurs are better served by a specialist who actually fits that role and will accept it rather than getting an all-around player and trying once again to shove that square peg into the round hole.

I think Rasho wanted to fit the role the Spurs wanted him to fill but he was always just too passive. He could just never be totally aggressive. Even defensively, his man-to-man defense and his boxing out got so poor that Pop couldn't play him against physical teams. I don't know if Rasho's problem was a lack of effort, a lack of toughness, a lack of heart or what. At times, he'd play exactly like the Spurs wanted him to play. The problem was that 95% of the time he didn't.

Nazr was just too dumb to ever figure out what the Spurs wanted him to do. That said, he fit well enough that the Spurs would have taken him back at the right price.

Hopefully Butler has what it takes to be successful next to Duncan.

Ed Helicopter Jones

07-20-2006, 05:38 PM

Regarding Elson, I just can't believe the Nuggets will match. He'll be a Spur soon enough :pctoss

Think about it. He sucks to begin with, that's a given. On top of that, he really wants to come to the Spurs. Imagine the stats he'd put up in the playoffs next season considering he sucks AND doesn't want to be there. I can't even comprehend numbers so low.

Plus they are enough under the luxury tax to either re-sign Reggie Evans or go after an MLE level player. Keith Van Horn actually makes sense for them because they have no shooting on that team.

And my final point is they have enough centers. They have Camby with Nene as the backup center. Then KMart (for now), Najera and Kleiza as power forwards. They just don't need him.

The new GM of the Nuggets is just making the Spurs sweat. Wankenstein or whatever and Karl are probably laughing their azzes off in thoughts of actually matching. There's a better chance of Boykins playing power forward this year.

I totally agree.

I'm just confused on the 'sweating' part.

Are the Spurs sweating in the hopes that Denver will match and get them out of free agent signing hell?? That's what I would think.

Kind of like that girl you ask out that you met in a bar when you've just broken up with a girlfriend and you're a little too drunk. Then you spend the next (sober) day trying to figure out the most polite way to blow her off, and just praying she spares you the confrontation and never calls you. The Spurs are undoubtedly questioning themselves about the Elson offer.

Pop: *rubbing his eyes after waking up the morning after making the Elson offer*

"Damn. Shoulda passed on opening that 3rd bottle of merlot yesterday." "Strange. I vaguely remember extending a multi-year offer to Franfuckingcisco Elson for over half the MLE. I'm glad it was all just a bad dream." "I think I'll logon to Spurstalk to see who else LJ recommends that we pursue at the 5 spot."

spurschick

07-20-2006, 05:40 PM

From espn.com
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2525437

With Nene signed, the Nuggets had little reason to keep restricted free-agent center Francisco Elson. Denver was expected to let the deadline pass at midnight Thursday without matching San Antonio's two-year, $6 million offer to Elson, who proved invaluable when Nene was sidelined last season.

ChumpDumper

07-20-2006, 05:40 PM

It all depends on what the Nuggets have cooking on the trade front. I think everyone but Nene and Elson (for obvious reasons) are available in the right deal.

ro_50

07-20-2006, 05:44 PM

So if that ESPN statement is accurate, welcome aboard Elson.

timvp

07-20-2006, 05:49 PM

I totally agree.

I'm just confused on the 'sweating' part.

Are the Spurs sweating in the hopes that Denver will match and get them out of free agent signing hell?? That's what I would think.

Kind of like that girl you ask out that you met in a bar when you've just broken up with a girlfriend and you're a little too drunk. Then you spend the next (sober) day trying to figure out the most polite way to blow her off, and just praying she spares you the confrontation and never calls you. The Spurs are undoubtedly questioning themselves about the Elson offer.

Pop: *rubbing his eyes after waking up the morning after making the Elson offer*

"Damn. Shoulda passed on opening that 3rd bottle of merlot yesterday." "Strange. I vaguely remember extending a multi-year offer to Franfuckingcisco Elson for over half the MLE. I'm glad it was all just a bad dream." "I think I'll logon to Spurstalk to see who else LJ recommends that we pursue at the 5 spot."

:rollin

Yeah, I honestly don't know what the Spurs were thinking. Over half the MLE for a guy who isn't even good enough to be considered a quality backup center. Elson is a good 12th man who you play if your team is destroyed by injuries.

I'd like to know what the Spurs are thinking right now. Perhaps they are with the rest of the civilized Spurs fans who are hoping Denver matches. Butler was a longshot that came thru ... maybe now they'd rather have the $3M to go get a real NBA player.

Oh and Pop if you are reading this, Reggie Evans would be easily available if Denver by some miracle matches your offer :)

picnroll

07-20-2006, 05:58 PM

Anybody catch any of Denver's Ricky Sanchez in SL. He's young, 18 I think, and very skilled. I would think the NutGets would keep him around before Elson.

Bruno

07-20-2006, 06:01 PM

The Spurs are undoubtedly questioning themselves about the Elson offer.

It makes no sense at all.

You can find that Elson sucks, that he will be way overpaid or that it's the worst move of Spurs history.

But facts are that Spurs have made this offer to Elson : Elson for $6M/2 years is a good signing for the FO.

timvp

07-20-2006, 06:04 PM

It makes no sense at all.

You can find that Elson sucks, that he will be way overpaid or that it's the worst move of Spurs history.

But facts are that Spurs have made this offer to Elson : Elson for $6M/2 years is a good signing for the FO.

More than half the MLE for Elson is a bad move no matter how many or how few years he gets.

Bruno

07-20-2006, 06:05 PM

More than half the MLE for Elson is a bad move no matter how many or how few years he gets.

It's your opinion.
Spurs FO opinion is that it's a good move.

timvp

07-20-2006, 06:07 PM

It's your opinion.
Spurs FO opinion is that it's a good move.

The Spurs FO wasn't expecting to have Jackie Butler on board. I bet if they could, they'd rescind the offer to Elson.

Or at least I hope they would.

Please_dont_ban_me

07-20-2006, 06:08 PM

The Spurs FO wasn't expecting to have Jackie Butler on board. I bet if they could, they'd rescind the offer to Elson.

Or at least I hope they would.

They need 2 centers.

They signed them both to offer sheets on the same day. What makes you say they weren't expecting to have Butler?

timvp

07-20-2006, 06:11 PM

They need 2 centers.

They signed them both to offer sheets on the same day. What makes you say they weren't expecting to have Butler?

Go back and read when they extended the offer.

Thanks.

Bruno

07-20-2006, 06:13 PM

The Spurs FO wasn't expecting to have Jackie Butler on board. I bet if they could, they'd rescind the offer to Elson.

Or at least I hope they would.

You take the FO for dumb guys. When you make an offer for two RFAs at the same time, you think at the case where you get both.

Elson and Butler make a lot of sense.
Elson : solid player (at least it's what the FO think) for now.
Butler : project with upside for the future.

Mr. Body

07-20-2006, 06:17 PM

The Spurs would rather badly overpay Francisco Elson than slightly overpay Robertas Javtokas.

:bang

Mr. Peabody

07-20-2006, 06:21 PM

The Spurs would rather badly overpay Francisco Elson than slightly overpay Robertas Javtokas.

:bang

Javtokas has been highly overrated by the Spurs fans here. He wasn't worth what he wanted.

ducks

07-20-2006, 06:25 PM

half a leg
does not cut it
spurs wanted to make sure his leg could handle a full season and playoffs
he thought about that and said screw you

Mr. Body

07-20-2006, 06:30 PM

Javtokas has been highly overrated by the Spurs fans here. He wasn't worth what he wanted.

Eh. He was a much better option than Elson was... and would've still been cheaper.

Bruno

07-20-2006, 06:33 PM

My guess is that it wasn't Elson or Javtokas but Javtokas or Butler.

They wanted a center with some nba experience and a project.

Mr. Body

07-20-2006, 06:36 PM

My guess is that it wasn't Elson or Javtokas but Javtokas or Butler.

They wanted a center with some nba experience and a project.

This is my view, too.

I'm not down on Elson. He's going to foul people really hard. Having an enforcer on this team is an idea that came one year too late. Otherwise, he's going to be as productive as either of our unproductive centers last season and we can try to get rid of him next summer as an expiring (or keep... whatever...).

It all comes down to Butler. This was all a success because we get a budding Jackie Butler.

ro_50

07-20-2006, 07:02 PM

My guess is that it wasn't Elson or Javtokas but Javtokas or Butler.

They wanted a center with some nba experience and a project.

I think you are right.

Please_dont_ban_me

07-20-2006, 07:31 PM

Go back and read when they extended the offer.

Thanks.

The 7 days were up for both today.

How far apart could there offers have been? Like I said, they needed 2 centers, they made offers to two centers. I don't see why you would think they weren't expecting Butler to actually sign.

Unless they just sign players to offer sheets for shits and giggles.

LakerHater

07-20-2006, 07:40 PM

Hey what happend to you can't trade a player for 2 mos. after hes been traded

FuzzyLumpkins

07-20-2006, 07:42 PM

The Spurs FO wasn't expecting to have Jackie Butler on board. I bet if they could, they'd rescind the offer to Elson.

Or at least I hope they would.

This doesnt make much sense. Even if the werent expecting to sign Butler, how in any way would that make Buford et al to 'overpay' an inferior player.

Methinks youre too much in love with Reggie.

T Park

07-20-2006, 07:54 PM

Nugget fan continues to say "this guy is gonna be a good player for your team we are sorry to see him go" Serious as can be too.

But everyone keeps hating on the guy.

Whatever.

Kori Ellis

07-20-2006, 07:57 PM

Nugget fan continues to say "this guy is gonna be a good player for your team we are sorry to see him go" Serious as can be too.

But everyone keeps hating on the guy.

Whatever.

Most Nuggets fans I've read on Nuggets boards have been saying for the last week or so that he's okay, but would rather keep Evans or spend the money elsewhere.

I don't think Elson is going to be much of a factor positively or negatively for the Spurs. He'll get his 15 mpg and hopefully hold his own.

Please_dont_ban_me

07-20-2006, 11:26 PM

Most Nuggets fans I've read on Nuggets boards have been saying for the last week or so that he's okay, but would rather keep Evans or spend the money elsewhere.

I don't think Elson is going to be much of a factor positively or negatively for the Spurs. He'll get his 15 mpg and hopefully hold his own.

What he brings to the Nuggets is probably not as valuable as what he would bring here. They dont' have a Tim Duncan in the post, they don't have the slashers/shooters we do.

We have very few needs, and Elson fits one of them...in my opinion. Nuggets fans probably feel they have bigger holes to fill.

ChumpDumper

07-21-2006, 02:57 AM

When Nene and Camby and KMart go down next season, they'll be crying like bitches for the 'cisco kid.

T Park

07-21-2006, 02:59 AM

But they've got Kleiza and Evans who are supposedly twice the players he is, so they won't care :rolleyes

T Park

07-21-2006, 03:00 AM

Most Nuggets fans I've read on Nuggets boards have been saying for the last week or so that he's okay, but would rather keep Evans or spend the money elsewhere.

The one board I know of, is pretty pissed that they let him go.

T Park

07-21-2006, 03:01 AM

Kleiza actually is a very good player. I saw him play in person against Utah this year and he was very impressive.

Right.

T Park

07-21-2006, 03:41 AM

I disagree because hes still a total unproven player, and hardly got minutes last year compared to Elson.

NuGGeTs-FaN

07-21-2006, 04:36 AM

Kleiza actually is a very good player. I saw him play in person against Utah this year and he was very impressive.

right on :fro

LK is a stud and he is going to be great in this league. He was very productive in only sporatic minutes last season :smokin

i cant wait to see his production when GK actually plays him some decent minutes

NuGGeTs-FaN

07-21-2006, 04:37 AM

I disagree because hes still a total unproven player, and hardly got minutes last year compared to Elson.

he has already proven himself to the Nuggets fanbase and organisation. The only issue is that he is similart to Najera but has a much better offensive game. He was stuck behind alot of people last season and GK HATES playing rookies. This season he will be great and hopefully get some more minutes if they unload Eddie :elephant

mabber

07-21-2006, 09:11 AM

Will Elson probably start (over Butler)? I'm assuming so since Butler can't play a lick of defense.

strangeweather

07-21-2006, 10:41 AM

Will Elson probably start (over Butler)? I'm assuming so since Butler can't play a lick of defense.
That's what everyone's assuming, but I don't think the organization has actually confirmed it.

Most everyone around these parts is hoping that Butler will pick up the defensive system and grow into a starting role sometime this season. Obviously, we'll see how it goes.

Mr. Body

07-21-2006, 10:44 AM

Will Elson probably start (over Butler)? I'm assuming so since Butler can't play a lick of defense.

I think this is a fallacy about Butler's defense. It's hard to gauge, since he played for such an awful defensive team. Perimeter defense porous, no philosophy of help defense, etc.

He may be bad at post defense, but I see no reason he can't pick it up. He's a hard worker, just hasn't played where defense was job #1.

mabber

07-21-2006, 10:49 AM

I think this is a fallacy about Butler's defense. It's hard to gauge, since he played for such an awful defensive team. Perimeter defense porous, no philosophy of help defense, etc.

He may be bad at post defense, but I see no reason he can't pick it up. He's a hard worker, just hasn't played where defense was job #1.

Yeah, it's amazing how some players can actually play pretty decent defense when it's ACTUALLY expected from them. :lol

Mr. Body

07-21-2006, 10:51 AM

Yeah, it's amazing how some players can actually play pretty decent defense when it's ACTUALLY expected from them. :lol

What's funny is Larry Brown really TRIED. He tried all year to get them into defensive principles, but lead by Marbury, they just weren't having it.

mabber

07-21-2006, 10:57 AM

What's funny is Larry Brown really TRIED. He tried all year to get them into defensive principles, but lead by Marbury, they just weren't having it.

Yep, you have to have your top player(s) on board with it to make it work. Even though Dirk is not that good of defensive player he tries hard at it and supports it now (hence the Mavs improvement in defense). As does Stack. Funny how the two leaders of the Mavs are their worst defenders.