Cheney and Rove are being sued

[Crookshanks]

Just heard on the news that Valerie Plame and Joe Wilson are suing the VP and Karl Rove over the alleged "leak." They are claiming that their constitutional rights were violated. :rolleyes

For someone who was screaming about being outed, they seem to be doing everything they can to stay in the news!!

[Oh, Gee!!]

Yeah, people should just shut up instead of voicing dissent. It's the Amerikan thing to do.

[Yonivore]

Former CIA Officer Sues Cheney Over Leak (http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060713/D8IRAPEO8.html)

Sweet! Here's the complaint (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0713062plame1.html)

Let the festivities begin.

[Oh, Gee!!]

weird

[exstatic]

Don't be outraged, PreRublicans. Paula Jones set the precendent, goaded and assisted by a bevy of GOPers, that if you can't pursue criminal charges against a seated elected executive, you sue their ass. Sauce for the goose...suck it, beeches.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Don't be outraged, PreRublicans. Paula Jones set the precendent, goaded and assisted by a bevy of GOPers, that if you can't pursue criminal charges against a seated elected executive, you sue their ass. Sauce for the goose...suck it, beeches.



My only hope is that they get these guys under oath.. that is when the fun will start..!

[xrayzebra]

My only hope is that they get these guys under oath.. that is when the fun will start..!


Oh how I agree with you on this one. Especially Joe Wilson. Think he will
refuse to testify?

But I think this will never go to trial. Something will happen on the way to
court.

They are angry that the cant get the special prosecutor to charge anyone
for outing what they had already outed. :lol

[boutons_]

I doubt that Plame will win, but if she's got tough lawyers, the ugliness of dickhead and his cronies should be exposed.

Unlike low-level WH people who get sued and destroyed by legal fees, dickhead has 10's of $Ms to draw on for his mulit-$M legal fees.

[xrayzebra]

Ehhhh, boutons, what ugliness is that. That they didn't sit out to out or destroy
"pretty lady" and husband?

That "pretty lady" recommended her husband to take a little vacation at government
expense and come back and trash the administration on a policy that they didn't
agree with to begin with.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Ehhhh, boutons, what ugliness is that. That they didn't sit out to out or destroy
"pretty lady" and husband?

That "pretty lady" recommended her husband to take a little vacation at government
expense and come back and trash the administration on a policy that they didn't
agree with to begin with.

another of my favoriter GOP talking points that his wife suggested him for the trip accepted as documented fact..


In the August 1 column, Novak stated that the "unanimous Senate Intelligence Committee report ... said that Wilson's wife 'suggested him for the trip.'" But in a July 15, 2004, column, Novak clearly recognized that the committee did not reach an official conclusion about how the CIA made the decision to hire Wilson:
Like Sherlock Holmes's dog that did not bark, the most remarkable aspect of last week's Senate Intelligence Committee report is what its Democratic members did not say. They did not dissent from the committee's findings that Iraq apparently asked about buying yellowcake uranium from Niger. They neither agreed to a conclusion that former diplomat Joseph Wilson was suggested for a mission to Niger by his CIA employee wife nor defended his statements to the contrary.

[xrayzebra]

Okay, here is an article that appeared in the Washington Post. It also cites the
Intelligence Committes report.


washingtonpost.com
Correction to This Article
In some editions of the Post, a July 10 story on a new Senate report on intelligence failures said that former ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV told his contacts at the CIA that Iraq had tried to buy 400 tons of uranium from the African nation of Niger in 1998. In fact, it was Iran that was interested in making that purchase, but no contract was signed, according to the report.
Plame's Input Is Cited on Niger Mission
Report Disputes Wilson's Claims on Trip, Wife's Role

By Susan Schmidt
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, July 10, 2004; Page A09

Former ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV, dispatched by the CIA in February 2002 to investigate reports that Iraq sought to reconstitute its nuclear weapons program with uranium from Africa, was specifically recommended for the mission by his wife, a CIA employee, contrary to what he has said publicly.

Wilson last year launched a public firestorm with his accusations that the administration had manipulated intelligence to build a case for war. He has said that his trip to Niger should have laid to rest any notion that Iraq sought uranium there and has said his findings were ignored by the White House.

Wilson's assertions -- both about what he found in Niger and what the Bush administration did with the information -- were undermined yesterday in a bipartisan Senate intelligence committee report.

The panel found that Wilson's report, rather than debunking intelligence about purported uranium sales to Iraq, as he has said, bolstered the case for most intelligence analysts. And contrary to Wilson's assertions and even the government's previous statements, the CIA did not tell the White House it had qualms about the reliability of the Africa intelligence that made its way into 16 fateful words in President Bush's January 2003 State of the Union address.

Yesterday's report said that whether Iraq sought to buy lightly enriched "yellowcake" uranium from Niger is one of the few bits of prewar intelligence that remains an open question. Much of the rest of the intelligence suggesting a buildup of weapons of mass destruction was unfounded, the report said.

The report turns a harsh spotlight on what Wilson has said about his role in gathering prewar intelligence, most pointedly by asserting that his wife, CIA employee Valerie Plame, recommended him.

Plame's role could be significant in an ongoing investigation into whether a crime was committed when her name and employment were disclosed to reporters last summer.

Administration officials told columnist Robert D. Novak then that Wilson, a partisan critic of Bush's foreign policy, was sent to Niger at the suggestion of Plame, who worked in the nonproliferation unit at CIA. The disclosure of Plame's identity, which was classified, led to an investigation into who leaked her name.

The report may bolster the rationale that administration officials provided the information not to intentionally expose an undercover CIA employee, but to call into question Wilson's bona fides as an investigator into trafficking of weapons of mass destruction. To charge anyone with a crime, prosecutors need evidence that exposure of a covert officer was intentional.

The report states that a CIA official told the Senate committee that Plame "offered up" Wilson's name for the Niger trip, then on Feb. 12, 2002, sent a memo to a deputy chief in the CIA's Directorate of Operations saying her husband "has good relations with both the PM [prime minister] and the former Minister of Mines (not to mention lots of French contacts), both of whom could possibly shed light on this sort of activity." The next day, the operations official cabled an overseas officer seeking concurrence with the idea of sending Wilson, the report said.

Wilson has asserted that his wife was not involved in the decision to send him to Niger.

"Valerie had nothing to do with the matter," Wilson wrote in a memoir published this year. "She definitely had not proposed that I make the trip."

Wilson stood by his assertion in an interview yesterday, saying Plame was not the person who made the decision to send him. Of her memo, he said: "I don't see it as a recommendation to send me."

The report said Plame told committee staffers that she relayed the CIA's request to her husband, saying, "there's this crazy report" about a purported deal for Niger to sell uranium to Iraq. The committee found Wilson had made an earlier trip to Niger in 1999 for the CIA, also at his wife's suggestion.

The report also said Wilson provided misleading information to The Washington Post last June. He said then that he concluded the Niger intelligence was based on documents that had clearly been forged because "the dates were wrong and the names were wrong."

"Committee staff asked how the former ambassador could have come to the conclusion that the 'dates were wrong and the names were wrong' when he had never seen the CIA reports and had no knowledge of what names and dates were in the reports," the Senate panel said. Wilson told the panel he may have been confused and may have "misspoken" to reporters. The documents -- purported sales agreements between Niger and Iraq -- were not in U.S. hands until eight months after Wilson made his trip to Niger.

Wilson's reports to the CIA added to the evidence that Iraq may have tried to buy uranium in Niger, although officials at the State Department remained highly skeptical, the report said.

Wilson said that a former prime minister of Niger, Ibrahim Assane Mayaki, was unaware of any sales contract with Iraq, but said that in June 1999 a businessman approached him, insisting that he meet with an Iraqi delegation to discuss "expanding commercial relations" between Niger and Iraq -- which Mayaki interpreted to mean they wanted to discuss yellowcake sales. A report CIA officials drafted after debriefing Wilson said that "although the meeting took place, Mayaki let the matter drop due to UN sanctions on Iraq."

According to the former Niger mining minister, Wilson told his CIA contacts, Iraq tried to buy 400 tons of uranium in 1998.

Still, it was the CIA that bore the brunt of the criticism of the Niger intelligence. The panel found that the CIA has not fully investigated possible efforts by Iraq to buy uranium in Niger to this day, citing reports from a foreign service and the U.S. Navy about uranium from Niger destined for Iraq and stored in a warehouse in Benin.

The agency did not examine forged documents that have been widely cited as a reason to dismiss the purported effort by Iraq until months after it obtained them. The panel said it still has "not published an assessment to clarify or correct its position on whether or not Iraq was trying to purchase uranium from Africa."

© 2004 The Washington Post Company

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Now I am not going to read through the whole report to find the part quoted above,
if you want to be my guest. The report is just too damn long to dig it all out.

But I will take the Washington Post story as correct. Since the corrected part
of the story from the first printed and didn't correct the part about "pretty
lady" suggesting her husband for the trip. Not a GOP talking point. The
truth of the matter. She did suggest her husband.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Okay, here is an article that appeared in the Washington Post. It also cites the
Intelligence Committes report.


washingtonpost.com
Correction to This Article
In some editions of the Post, a July 10 story on a new Senate report on intelligence failures said that former ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV told his contacts at the CIA that Iraq had tried to buy 400 tons of uranium from the African nation of Niger in 1998. In fact, it was Iran that was interested in making that purchase, but no contract was signed, according to the report.
Plame's Input Is Cited on Niger Mission
Report Disputes Wilson's Claims on Trip, Wife's Role

By Susan Schmidt
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, July 10, 2004; Page A09

Former ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV, dispatched by the CIA in February 2002 to investigate reports that Iraq sought to reconstitute its nuclear weapons program with uranium from Africa, was specifically recommended for the mission by his wife, a CIA employee, contrary to what he has said publicly.

Wilson last year launched a public firestorm with his accusations that the administration had manipulated intelligence to build a case for war. He has said that his trip to Niger should have laid to rest any notion that Iraq sought uranium there and has said his findings were ignored by the White House.

Wilson's assertions -- both about what he found in Niger and what the Bush administration did with the information -- were undermined yesterday in a bipartisan Senate intelligence committee report.

The panel found that Wilson's report, rather than debunking intelligence about purported uranium sales to Iraq, as he has said, bolstered the case for most intelligence analysts. And contrary to Wilson's assertions and even the government's previous statements, the CIA did not tell the White House it had qualms about the reliability of the Africa intelligence that made its way into 16 fateful words in President Bush's January 2003 State of the Union address.

Yesterday's report said that whether Iraq sought to buy lightly enriched "yellowcake" uranium from Niger is one of the few bits of prewar intelligence that remains an open question. Much of the rest of the intelligence suggesting a buildup of weapons of mass destruction was unfounded, the report said.

The report turns a harsh spotlight on what Wilson has said about his role in gathering prewar intelligence, most pointedly by asserting that his wife, CIA employee Valerie Plame, recommended him.

Plame's role could be significant in an ongoing investigation into whether a crime was committed when her name and employment were disclosed to reporters last summer.

Administration officials told columnist Robert D. Novak then that Wilson, a partisan critic of Bush's foreign policy, was sent to Niger at the suggestion of Plame, who worked in the nonproliferation unit at CIA. The disclosure of Plame's identity, which was classified, led to an investigation into who leaked her name.

The report may bolster the rationale that administration officials provided the information not to intentionally expose an undercover CIA employee, but to call into question Wilson's bona fides as an investigator into trafficking of weapons of mass destruction. To charge anyone with a crime, prosecutors need evidence that exposure of a covert officer was intentional.

The report states that a CIA official told the Senate committee that Plame "offered up" Wilson's name for the Niger trip, then on Feb. 12, 2002, sent a memo to a deputy chief in the CIA's Directorate of Operations saying her husband "has good relations with both the PM [prime minister] and the former Minister of Mines (not to mention lots of French contacts), both of whom could possibly shed light on this sort of activity." The next day, the operations official cabled an overseas officer seeking concurrence with the idea of sending Wilson, the report said.

Wilson has asserted that his wife was not involved in the decision to send him to Niger.

"Valerie had nothing to do with the matter," Wilson wrote in a memoir published this year. "She definitely had not proposed that I make the trip."

Wilson stood by his assertion in an interview yesterday, saying Plame was not the person who made the decision to send him. Of her memo, he said: "I don't see it as a recommendation to send me."

The report said Plame told committee staffers that she relayed the CIA's request to her husband, saying, "there's this crazy report" about a purported deal for Niger to sell uranium to Iraq. The committee found Wilson had made an earlier trip to Niger in 1999 for the CIA, also at his wife's suggestion.

The report also said Wilson provided misleading information to The Washington Post last June. He said then that he concluded the Niger intelligence was based on documents that had clearly been forged because "the dates were wrong and the names were wrong."

"Committee staff asked how the former ambassador could have come to the conclusion that the 'dates were wrong and the names were wrong' when he had never seen the CIA reports and had no knowledge of what names and dates were in the reports," the Senate panel said. Wilson told the panel he may have been confused and may have "misspoken" to reporters. The documents -- purported sales agreements between Niger and Iraq -- were not in U.S. hands until eight months after Wilson made his trip to Niger.

Wilson's reports to the CIA added to the evidence that Iraq may have tried to buy uranium in Niger, although officials at the State Department remained highly skeptical, the report said.

Wilson said that a former prime minister of Niger, Ibrahim Assane Mayaki, was unaware of any sales contract with Iraq, but said that in June 1999 a businessman approached him, insisting that he meet with an Iraqi delegation to discuss "expanding commercial relations" between Niger and Iraq -- which Mayaki interpreted to mean they wanted to discuss yellowcake sales. A report CIA officials drafted after debriefing Wilson said that "although the meeting took place, Mayaki let the matter drop due to UN sanctions on Iraq."

According to the former Niger mining minister, Wilson told his CIA contacts, Iraq tried to buy 400 tons of uranium in 1998.

Still, it was the CIA that bore the brunt of the criticism of the Niger intelligence. The panel found that the CIA has not fully investigated possible efforts by Iraq to buy uranium in Niger to this day, citing reports from a foreign service and the U.S. Navy about uranium from Niger destined for Iraq and stored in a warehouse in Benin.

The agency did not examine forged documents that have been widely cited as a reason to dismiss the purported effort by Iraq until months after it obtained them. The panel said it still has "not published an assessment to clarify or correct its position on whether or not Iraq was trying to purchase uranium from Africa."

© 2004 The Washington Post Company

================================================== ============

Now I am not going to read through the whole report to find the part quoted above,
if you want to be my guest. The report is just too damn long to dig it all out.

But I will take the Washington Post story as correct. Since the corrected part
of the story from the first printed and didn't correct the part about "pretty
lady" suggesting her husband for the trip. Not a GOP talking point. The
truth of the matter. She did suggest her husband.


So I think it is fair to assume that this issue has not been resolved and may never be.

[xrayzebra]

The issue is solved in my mind. His wife suggested her hubby. What part of
the story is confusing you?

[George Gervin's Afro]

The issue is solved in my mind. His wife suggested her hubby. What part of
the story is confusing you?


Wilson denies it and the Committee investigating the issue came back and said they could not verify if she did in fact offer him up as you say. Besides you also inferred that not only did she suggest him for the trip he was also against the war before he went therefore he had an agenda. To me this makes no sense because how did he know before he went that the story could not be verified?

[George Gervin's Afro]

Oh how I agree with you on this one. Especially Joe Wilson. Think he will
refuse to testify?

But I think this will never go to trial. Something will happen on the way to
court.

They are angry that the cant get the special prosecutor to charge anyone
for outing what they had already outed. :lol



Well then you obviously disgree with the Justice dept.


It's very clear 'her cover was blown' and Fitzgerald acknowledged it.. So either your wrong or the Office of the Special Prosecutor is in error. Considering Fitzgerald had all of the facts I will have to disagree with you..

"Valerie Wilson was a CIA officer. In July 2003, the fact that Valerie Wilson was a CIA officer was classified. Not only was it classified, but it was not widely known outside the intelligence community. Valeria Wilson's freinds, neighbors, college classmates had no idea she had another life. The fact that she was a CIA officer was not well known for her protection or for the benefit of all of us. It's important that a CIA officer's identity be protected, they be protected not just for officer but for the nations security.

Valerie Wilson's cover was blown in July 2003. The first sign of her cover being blown was Mr. Novack published a column on July 14th 2003. .."

[Spurminator]

Anyone else think Plame looks like Sharon Stone? Or maybe Virginia Madsen?

http://www.cbsnews.com/images/2006/05/06/image1df97e69-d6cb-4001-a7cd-a523899a5dac.jpg

Not bad....

[clambake]

Wilsons only mistake was not lying about the existance of materials being sent to saddam. That's what pissed off the white house.

[George Gervin's Afro]

Anyone else think Plame looks like Sharon Stone? Or maybe Virginia Madsen?

http://www.cbsnews.com/images/2006/05/06/image1df97e69-d6cb-4001-a7cd-a523899a5dac.jpg

Not bad....

:hitit:

[turambar85]

Cheney being sued. Hah.

I saw the title and it took me a while to sort through the possible charges to come up with the actual one being used in this suit.

[boutons_]

http://www.uclick.com/feature/06/07/12/po060712.gif

[Yonivore]

I can't wait until this gets to trial. The Defense is going to obliterate Joe Wilson and his "Secret Agent" wife in the discovery phase. Unfortunately, this is just a ploy, by the Wilsons, to get a sixteenth minute so that her book will hopefully sell better. It'll never see a courtroom.

Let's review the FACTS.

In his New York Times opinion piece (http://www.globalexchange.org/countries/mideast/iraq/768.html) published on July 6, 2003, Wilson claimed that the CIA asked him the previous year to investigate claims that the Iraqis tried to purchase yellowcake uranium from Niger. This is the conclusion he said he reached:


Given the structure of the consortiums that operated the mines, it would be exceedingly difficult for Niger to transfer uranium to Iraq. Niger's uranium business consists of two mines, Somair and Cominak, which are run by French, Spanish, Japanese, German and Nigerian interests. If the government wanted to remove uranium from a mine, it would have to notify the consortium, which in turn is strictly monitored by the International Atomic Energy Agency. Moreover, because the two mines are closely regulated, quasi-governmental entities, selling uranium would require the approval of the minister of mines, the prime minister and probably the president. In short, there's simply too much oversight over too small an industry for a sale to have transpired.
Keep that bolded statement in mind. He then claimed to have been shocked to find his report misrepresented:


In September 2002, however, Niger re-emerged. The British government published a "white paper" asserting that Saddam Hussein and his unconventional arms posed an immediate danger. As evidence, the report cited Iraq's attempts to purchase uranium from an African country.

Then, in January, President Bush, citing the British dossier, repeated the charges about Iraqi efforts to buy uranium from Africa.

The next day, I reminded a friend at the State Department of my trip and suggested that if the president had been referring to Niger, then his conclusion was not borne out by the facts as I understood them.
Note the differences between the two points in contention. Wilson originally reported that no sale had been completed, which appears accurate and, further, which no one disputes. However, he then slyly and subtly changes the argument to claim that his report showed that no attempt had even been made by the Iraqis to trade for yellowcake -- which the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence found out was false (http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/library/congress/2004_rpt/iraq-wmd-intell_chapter2-b.htm):


[Wilson's] intelligence report indicated that former Nigerien Prime Minister Ibrahim Mayaki was unaware of any contracts that had been signed between Niger and any rogue states for the sale of yellowcake while he was Prime Minister (1997-1999) or Foreign Minister (1996-1997). Mayaki said that if there had been any such contract during his tenure, he would have been aware of it. Mayaki said, however, that in June 1999,(REDACTED) businessman, approached him and insisted that Mayaki meet with an Iraqi delegation to discuss "expanding commercial relations" between Niger and Iraq. The intelligence report said that Mayaki interpreted "expanding commercial relations" to mean that the delegation wanted to discuss uranium yellowcake sales. The intelligence report also said that "although the meeting took place, Mayaki let the matter drop due to the UN sanctions on Iraq."

The intelligence report also said that Nicter's former Minister for Energy and Mines (REDACTED), Mai Manga, stated that there were no sales outside of International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) channels since the mid-1980s. He knew of no contracts signed between Niger and any rogue states for the sale of uranium. He said that an Iranian delegation was interested in purchasing 400 tons of yellowcake from Niger in 1998, but said that no contract was ever signed with Iran. Mai Manga also described how the French mining consortium controls Nigerien uranium mining and keeps the uranium very tightly controlled from the time it is mined until the time it is loaded onto ships in Benin for transport overseas. Mai Manga believed it would be difficult, if not impossible, to arrange a special shipment of uranium to a pariah state given these controls.
This information came to the CIA from Wilson himself and wound up being reported to Vice President Dick Cheney. While Niger didn't actually complete the sale to Iraq, this demonstrated that Saddam Hussein attempted at least once to transact business with Niger for yellowcake uranium in defiance of the sanctions. Yellowcake could only have interested Saddam for weapons development. This evidence showed that Saddam had continued to violate the sanctions regime and still intended on developing WMD. Moreover, the US (and the British, who had similar intelligence) could not know whether Saddam had successfully transacted for the uranium elsewhere. Wilson did prove that they certainly wanted to buy it, probably with the vast sums of cash the Oil-For-Food program generated for Saddam.

In other words, Wilson misrepresented his report in his New York Times article. Nor would this be the last of Wilson's unethical actions, or even the first.

Prior to the publication of this piece under his own name, Wilson -- who once demanded to see Karl Rove frog-marched for allegedly leaking his wife's status -- leaked the then-classified intelligence to the Washington Post. The Post ran an article critical of Bush's use of the Niger report on June 12, 2003, for which Wilson admitted he supplied the data. The SSIC found that his input to the Post was inaccurate, at the least:


The former ambassador also told Committee staff that he was the source of a Washington Post article ("CIA Did Not Share Doubt on Iraq Data; Bush Used Report of Uranium Bid," June 12, 2003) which said, "among the Envoy's conclusions was that the documents may have been forged because `the dates were wrong and the names were wrong." Committee staff asked how the former ambassador could have come to the conclusion that the "dates were wrong and the names were wrong" when he had never seen the CIA reports and had no knowledge of what names and dates were in the reports. The former ambassador said that he may have "misspoken" to the reporter when he said he concluded the documents were "forged." He also said he may have become confused about his own recollection after the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) reported in March 2003 that the names and dates on the documents were not correct and may have thought he had seen the names himself. The former ambassador reiterated that he had been able to collect the names of the government officials which should have been on the documents.
The worst came after the revelation that his wife worked at the agency and reportedly got the CIA to pick Wilson for the Niger investigation. Wilson has repeatedly (http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middle_east/july-dec04/yellowcake_7-20.html) denied (http://www.portlandphoenix.com/features/other_stories/multi1/documents/04067787.asp) this (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A39834-2004Jul9.html), claiming that he had no idea how the agency selected him, but that his wife had nothing to do with the assignment. The SSIC also found that this was less than truthful -- and that she had already reached a conclusion about the reports before Wilson even left:


Some CPD officials could not recall how the office decided to contact the former ambassador, however, interviews and documents provided to the Committee indicate that his wife, a CPD employee, suggested his name for the trip. The CPD reports officer told Committee staff that the former ambassador's wife "offered up his name" and a memorandum to the Deputy Chief of the CPD on February 12, 2002, from the former ambassador's wife says, "my husband has good relations with both the PM [prime minister] and the former Minister of Mines (not to mention lots of French contacts), both of whom could possibly shed light on this sort of activity." This was just one day before CPD sent a cable DELETED requesting concurrence with CPD's idea to send the former ambassador to Niger and requesting any additional information from the foreign government service on their uranium reports. The former ambassador's wife told Committee staff that when CPD decided it would like to send the former ambassador to Niger, she approached her husband on behalf of the CIA and told him "there's this crazy report" on a purported deal for Niger to sell uranium to Iraq.

The former ambassador was selected for the 1999 trip after his wife mentioned to her supervisors that her husband was planning a business trip to Niger in the near future and might be willing to use his contacts in the region ...

On February 19, 2002, CPD hosted a meeting with the former ambassador, intelligence analysts from both the CIA and INR, and several individuals from the DO's Africa and CPD divisions. The purpose of the meeting was to discuss the merits of the former ambassador traveling to Niger. An INR analyst's notes indicate that the meeting was "apparently convened by [the former ambassador's] wife who had the idea to dispatch [him] to use his contacts to sort out the Iraq-Niger uranium issue." The former ambassador's wife told Committee staff that she only attended the meeting to introduce her husband and left after about three minutes.
Plame didn't just suggest Wilson in an off-hand manner; she presented him both in debates and in memoranda as her choice for the mission. She then contacted him and made the arrangements to bring him into the CIA. She also characterized the report on which his mission was based as "crazy". Does that sound like something Wilson was likely to have forgotten or not known?

Now think about the Walter Pincus article for which Wilson provided his slanted and untruthful information. Wouldn't Pincus wanted to have known how Wilson got this assignment? I would presume that Pincus would have at least asked Wilson to explain it. Did he tell Pincus the truth, or lie to him as he did afterwards with the public? If he told Pincus the truth, could Pincus have been the source for Novak?

It would appear that the ambassador has a serious problem about jumping to conclusions, and cherry-picking his facts in order to support those conclusions. That's the most charitable conclusion that the SSIC report can produce. Otherwise, it looks more like Wilson has repeatedly lied and deceived the press and the American public about his report to the CIA, and has done so for highly partisan purposes. That anyone could take him seriously as a source only shows the desperation of the Left in finding some way to discredit the Bush administration.

Then, of course, they have the problem with Valerie not actually being a covert agent, as defined in the statute that was supposedly violated.

[Yonivore]

I love it! Byron York (http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MTI2OTU0ZjhjODVjZjlhYTAxZjk1YTJjZGJkZjcwYjk=) calls the filing a "Left Wing Blog with a Legal Caption."

Funny.

[xrayzebra]

Anyone else think Plame looks like Sharon Stone? Or maybe Virginia Madsen?

http://www.cbsnews.com/images/2006/05/06/image1df97e69-d6cb-4001-a7cd-a523899a5dac.jpg

Not bad....

I think her and Ann Coluter look alot alike....... :angel :lol

[Yonivore]

I think her and Ann Coluter look alot alike....... :angel :lol
I think she's had some, uh, "disguise" work done. You know how those secret agents are.

[Yonivore]

I do notice that no one is explaining Joe Wilson's lies...

[Yonivore]

Talk About A Bad Draw!

Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame have run into a bit of bad luck in their lawsuit against Dick Cheney, Scooter Libby, Karl Rove, and ten random Republicans. I took another peek at the complaint and noticed something that I had missed earlier -- the judge assigned to the case. Wilson and Plame drew Judge John D. Bates -- and a quick glance at his rulings will no doubt have the Left fuming.

For instance, Judge Bates ruled in January 2005 that Michael Newdow would suffer no harm if the President said a prayer at his inauguration. Newdow, most known for using his (non-custodial) child as a means to attack the Pledge of Allegiance, lost his bid to enact a prior restraint on the President's speech at his own inauguration simply because Newdow planned to attend.

If that doesn't get the Democratic Underground in a fury, they may instead recall their anger when Judge Bates told Congress that they had no standing to sue for access to the records of Dick Cheney's energy task force. Relying on "the restricted role of the Article III courts in our constitutional system of government," Bates denied the request of the GAO, spurred on by Democrats who disliked the energy plan pushed by the White House. The judge ruled that the separation of powers and executive privilege meant that Cheney could consult with advisors to formulate policy without producing records of the meeting to Congress.

It gets even better, or worse, depending on one's point of view. Judge Bates received an appointment earlier this year to the FISA Court, the secret panel that reviews warrant requests for national-security investigations. He replaced Judge James Robertson, who resigned in protest against the Bush administration's bypass of the FISA Court on the NSA terrorist surveillance program. How sympathetic will Judge Bates be to a lawsuit from someone who leaked misinformation after getting sent on an assignment by his wife?

And, hell, if that doesn't do it for Wilson supporters, his work as one of Kenneth Starr's staff during his independent-counsel investigation of Bill Clinton should force them into apoplexy.

How long will it take before the Left starts screaming "CONSPIRACY"? Faster than the Wilsons can file a disqualification motion with the court, I would imagine.

[Oh, Gee!!]

Yoni, please credit the person who wrote the above post. It's horrible to use another writer's ideas word-for-word but not give credit. I've tried to abide your blatant plagarism, but now it's getting unbearable. You're a fucking hack of the worst ilk.

[Yonivore]

Yoni, please credit the person who wrote the above post. It's horrible to use another writer's ideas word-for-word but not give credit. I've tried to abide your blatant plagarism, but now it's getting unbearable. You're a fucking hack of the worst ilk.
So, sue me.

[Oh, Gee!!]

So, sue me.

are you a child? I should slap you.

[Yonivore]

are you a child? I should slap you.
Go ahead, if it makes you feel better.

Then, get back to the issue of the thread.

1) Joe Wilson is a liar, and probably worse;

2) Valerie Plame wasn't a covert agent as defined in the statute in question, and is as bad as her husband; and,

3) This lawsuit is a ploy to extend their fifteen minutes.

I think we've identified the children.

[Oh, Gee!!]

Go ahead, if it makes you feel better.

Then, get back to the issue of the thread.

1) Joe Wilson is a liar, and probably worse;

2) Valerie Plame wasn't a covert agent as defined in the statute in question, and is as bad as her husband; and,

3) This lawsuit is a ploy to extend their fifteen minutes.

I think we've identified the children.

yes, we have. children steal and lie about it to adults.

[Yonivore]

yes, we have. children steal and lie about it to adults.
When have I ever lied about it? I've already posted in the past that many of my posts aren't original.

I link to factual content. I avoid the typical trashing the messenger by not linking to the various sites where I steal the opinion -- the opinion with which I agree, by the way. Why spend time re-inventing the wheel? This isn't a revenue source for me...why the fuck would I spend a great deal of time re-writing an already well-worded opinion? Seriously, where's the value in being original in this forum? That's a fucking waste of time.

Why don't you deal with the content and offer a differing view? I don't care where you come up with it so long as you're consistent -- actually, I don't even care about that.

So, according to Joe Wilson, Iraq did seek quantities of yellowcake uranium from Niger. And, Valerie Plame wasn't a covert agent as defined in the statute they keep claiming was violated. Yes or no?