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Please_dont_ban_me

07-17-2006, 06:40 PM

...and damn the Nuggets. They like JR Smith?

I guess he's better then nothing.

Please_dont_ban_me

07-17-2006, 06:43 PM

Oh, this is about the trade I just heard about on KSAT... it's not final yet.

Elson/Eisley for JR Smith.

timvp

07-17-2006, 06:46 PM

:rolleyes

The trade is Eisley and two 2nd rounders for JR Smith.

And it's been talked about in the NBA forum for the last week.

T Park

07-17-2006, 06:50 PM

Ben Gordon = Aldridge

Please_dont_ban_me

07-17-2006, 06:52 PM

:rolleyes

The trade is Eisley and two 2nd rounders for JR Smith.

And it's been talked about in the NBA forum for the last week.

:rolleyes

That's not what Greg Simmons said.

Mr. Body

07-17-2006, 06:52 PM

Denver can't even trade Elson. He doesn't belong to them.

Please_dont_ban_me

07-17-2006, 06:53 PM

Denver can't even trade Elson. He doesn't belong to them.

Ya, they can...

They would match the offer, then package him in a deal. That's what Simmons mentioned is likely to happen.

Please_dont_ban_me

07-17-2006, 06:54 PM

...and I would love to be wrong.

I'd like nothing more than to see Elson as our starting center next year.

Quadzilla99

07-17-2006, 06:55 PM

link?

Please_dont_ban_me

07-17-2006, 06:55 PM

link?

Turn on your tv?

Kori Ellis

07-17-2006, 06:55 PM

...and I would love to be wrong.

I'd like nothing more than to see Elson as our starting center next year.

:wow :wow

Why would you want to see that?

Please_dont_ban_me

07-17-2006, 06:56 PM

:wow :wow

Why would you want to see that?

Because he's an awesome shot-blocking center. ;)

strangeweather

07-17-2006, 06:58 PM

Ya, they can...

They would match the offer, then package him in a deal. That's what Simmons mentioned is likely to happen.
After matching, for a year they can only trade him if he consents to be traded. Since he doesn't want them to match, I'm thinking he's not likely to make that concession ahead of time.

exstatic

07-17-2006, 06:58 PM

link?
RIF - It was on the news, allegedly.

If they want to trade Elson after matching, they'll have to wait months, I think it's four for a newly signed FA. Besides that, the salaries don't even work. Elson ALONE would be too much to offset JR Smith's contract.

The much more likely scenario is the one discussed in the NBA forum: Eisely signs a non-guaranteed contract, is traded with 2 second rounders for SMith, and is then cut.

Please_dont_ban_me

07-17-2006, 06:59 PM

After matching, for a year they can only trade him if he consents to be traded. Since he doesn't want them to match, I'm thinking he's not likely to make that concession ahead of time.

Interesting.

I'm not sure about the details, but I am sure that is what I heard Greg Simmons say on the 6 o'clock news. I hope you're right, I'd like to see him (and Mihm possibly now) here next year.

Kori Ellis

07-17-2006, 07:01 PM

I don't think they can sign-and-trade Elson because sign-and-trade contracts have to be 3-years. If they match the Spurs offer, that's only a 2 year deal.

Please_dont_ban_me

07-17-2006, 07:03 PM

I don't think they can sign-and-trade Elson because sign-and-trade contracts have to be 3-years. If they match the Spurs offer, that's only a 2 year deal.

He doesn't have a say in it does he? As a restricted free agent he's pretty much Denver's bitch as far as if they want to match and keep/trade/tickle him right?

Kori Ellis

07-17-2006, 07:04 PM

He doesn't have a say in it does he? As a restricted free agent he's pretty much Denver's bitch as far as if they want to match and keep/trade/tickle him right?

The league rule is that sign and trade contracts must be 3 years or longer.

So if they match the Spurs 2 year offer, they can't then trade him.

timvp

07-17-2006, 07:05 PM

Simmons was just reporting what it said in the Denver newspapers ... that with the trade for JR Smith, the Nuggets are more likely to match on Elson.

Kori Ellis

07-17-2006, 07:05 PM

RIF - It was on the news, allegedly.

If they want to trade Elson after matching, they'll have to wait months, I think it's four for a newly signed FA. Besides that, the salaries don't even work. Elson ALONE would be too much to offset JR Smith's contract.

The much more likely scenario is the one discussed in the NBA forum: Eisely signs a non-guaranteed contract, is traded with 2 second rounders for SMith, and is then cut.

That part isn't true. He would become BYC as soon as he's signed. So they could only take 1/2 the salary back anyway.

Big P

07-17-2006, 07:06 PM

Greg Simmons is a tool who has no idea...he is probably getting his info from fan forums.

Please_dont_ban_me

07-17-2006, 07:06 PM

The league rule is that sign and trade contracts must be 3 years or longer.

So if they match the Spurs 2 year offer, they can't then trade him.

Does that mean the deal can't happen, or does it mean they have to sign him for 3 years first then be able to trade him?

Mr.Bottomtooth

07-17-2006, 07:06 PM

Oberto will be our starting center. And Mihm will be the backup.

Kori Ellis

07-17-2006, 07:07 PM

Does that mean the deal can't happen, or does it mean they have to sign him for 3 years first then be able to trade him?

They can't sign him for three years. The only thing they can do is MATCH the Spurs offer, which is two years.

MannyIsGod

07-17-2006, 07:07 PM

In order for a sign and trade to occur all the parties have to agree to rescind the offer sheet first.

Please_dont_ban_me

07-17-2006, 07:07 PM

Simmons was just reporting what it said in the Denver newspapers ... that with the trade for JR Smith, the Nuggets are more likely to match on Elson.

That's not quite what he said though...

I'll try to word it exactly like he said it. "And it appears the Spurs could be left with nothing this offseason as it appears the Nuggets are matching ...." Wait. Maybe he said "they're matching on the offer to elson and trading eisley to the bulls for...." :lol Oopsie.

Mr.Bottomtooth

07-17-2006, 07:07 PM

The league rule is that sign and trade contracts must be 3 years or longer.

So if they match the Spurs 2 year offer, they can't then trade him.
Give him an extension. Anything to have only Mihm and Oberto.

Please_dont_ban_me

07-17-2006, 07:08 PM

*blush*

Kori Ellis

07-17-2006, 07:08 PM

That's not quite what he said though...

I'll try to word it exactly like he said it. "And it appears the Spurs could be left with nothing this offseason as it appears the Nuggets are matching ...." Wait. Maybe he said "they're matching on the offer to elson and trading eisley to the bulls for...." :lol Oopsie.

Exactly.

Thread over.

MannyIsGod

07-17-2006, 07:10 PM

:lmao

Please_dont_ban_me

07-17-2006, 07:10 PM

:D

On another note, I had some stale Cheeto Puffs today and might I say, that shit was sick. Water helped though.

timvp

07-17-2006, 07:15 PM

http://images.ibsys.com/2000/1026/125437.gif

Barbaro's doctor says that horse may or may not be healthy but first ... Francisco Elson has quit basketball and has gone back to the Netherlands to make clogs.

RC's Boss

07-17-2006, 09:39 PM

My head hurts DAMMIT!

leemajors

07-17-2006, 10:37 PM

i'm just glad pdbm isn't our gm.

Buddy Holly

07-17-2006, 10:40 PM

KSAT 12 needs to get rid of that jackass Simmons. Fuck I ate the shit out of him.

greywheel

07-17-2006, 10:51 PM

Fuck I ate the shit out of him.
:vomit:

Tek_XX

07-17-2006, 10:55 PM

I say "thank you bulls"

STEVEYCU

07-18-2006, 04:12 AM

I saw Simmons at Sherlocks tonight I would be suprised if the guy knew anything about any sport what a deushbag, He is probably tryin to start rumors to out due the other networks to keep his job, I have never seen a more pathetic site a 50 year old guy tryin to mack to girls fifteen years younger by sayin "im the sports guy" . Come on !